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Journal by Gaaark
My daughter was telling me about an app that day-cares and schools use to send photos of kids to 'helicopter' and panic parents and I tried explaining why that was a security issue:
How do you explain to people who don't realise the problem that there IS a problem.
I've tried using the Jewish registration at the Nazi police stations (what, 1939ish?).
I've tried hacker data stealing.
Data collection of kids through adulthood.....
What is a good argument to use against "App! Facebook! Wow! If you don't do anything wrong you have nothing to worry about"?
Anyone got a good speal?
How to explain why privacy is important?
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Learning French is trivial: the word for horse is cheval, and everything else
follows in the same way.
-- Alan J. Perlis
(Score: 3, Touché) by takyon on Monday October 08 2018, @11:47PM
"Anything that touches the Internet can be hacked."
Alternate version:
"When you post a photo, it will be fondled onto the cloud, where it can be groped by hackers."
[SIG] 10/28/2017: Soylent Upgrade v14 [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday October 09 2018, @02:22AM (9 children)
Just look at Facebook. Many people post the most mundane, the most trivial details of their daily life, seeking recognition and approval. They've lost all understanding, all desire for privacy. A lot of individuals never developed any sense of privacy. Everything is just out there, for all the world to see.
I don't think there is any turning back. Those of us who aren't on Facebook posting our lives in detail seem to be suspect. "Runaway, I don't see you on Facebook!" "Yeah, well, I don't like being data mined by some freak I've never even met." "But, EVERYONE is on Facebook!"
A couple years ago, there was a story about a company that demanded your Facebook login details when they hired you. Example here: https://www.zdnet.com/article/employer-demands-facebook-login-credentials-during-interview/ [zdnet.com]
We regularly see border search stories, in which computer login details are demanded. Most devices probably save the login details, so once the Customs officer has your device, he can skim your social media account for - whatever.
Privacy? No one seems to expect privacy these days, and they certainly don't demand it. On the contrary, they are busy filling out applications for convenience cards and apps that might save them a few cents each week. Every time I pull up to a gas pump, I'm offered a card that will give me a nickle or a dime off of every gallon, if I just let the gas company track me.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 3, Funny) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday October 09 2018, @02:49AM (5 children)
There are over three million square miles in the lower forty-eight. Why would you ever need to cross a border?
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 4, Informative) by Nerdfest on Tuesday October 09 2018, @04:56AM (4 children)
I think you only need to get within 100 miles of it these days.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by dry on Tuesday October 09 2018, @04:58AM (3 children)
And airports are borders as well.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 09 2018, @06:50AM (2 children)
Wasn't there an EFF post where they calculated that the "Constitution-free" border zone covers ~two thirds of US population?
(Score: 4, Informative) by DavePolaschek on Tuesday October 09 2018, @01:38PM (1 child)
Yes. Two thirds.
https://www.aclu.org/other/constitution-100-mile-border-zone [aclu.org]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 09 2018, @05:09PM
Ah, so it was an ACLU article, not EFF. Thanks for finding it!
(Score: 1) by Arik on Tuesday October 09 2018, @05:14AM
While that's really shitty and shouldn't be tolerated, I feel a bit of schadenfreude reading it as well. A part of me is saying "this is what you deserve for *having* Facebook login details to give them."
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 09 2018, @06:05AM (1 child)
We know everything about Runaway just from his posts here. How's the Trailblazer running these days? Did you beat those two DUIs, or is a court date still pending. How are things at the plant, where you have black friends, and young, hot, not sexually harrassed at all cow-orkers? You are one to talk about privacy.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday October 09 2018, @02:47PM
You can't keep your shit straight. No DUI's in my history - period.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 4, Funny) by https on Tuesday October 09 2018, @02:26AM
A. Twenty years ago, it was normal for daycare runners to smoke at work. "Wrong" is extremely unfixed across both time and different cross-sections of the population. You are guaranteed to be offending someone right now, if only they knew.
B. Posting real-time updates of your kids is a pedophilic kidnapper's wet dream, also your maniac ex-husband who lost custody for good reason. Are you really willing to compromise the long-term safety of your children just because you want to take less Xanax? You are taking your Xanax, aren't you?
Offended and laughing about it.
(Score: 5, Informative) by mrpg on Tuesday October 09 2018, @02:42AM (2 children)
https://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security/value-privacy [aclu.org]
(Score: 0, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 09 2018, @08:49AM
How the mighty have fallen. [thefederalist.com]
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Wednesday October 10 2018, @04:31PM
Nice....
i also like TMB's masturbation comment: i'll have to try that one first, lol.
--- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. ---Gaaark 2.0 ---
(Score: 3, Informative) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday October 09 2018, @02:58AM
Just say "Hey, I'm updating my Facebook status. How often do you masturbate?" and call it a day.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Arik on Tuesday October 09 2018, @05:19AM
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 09 2018, @05:35AM (1 child)
Privacy is important. When you grow up, you can have privacy. Until then, your parents have authority over you, and that is just how it goes. Privacy is for adults.
Just in case you were referring to the workers: That is the job performance of a government worker with unusual power to influence children. We damn well should keep an eye on them. They can have privacy when they go home, or even when they eat lunch. It's like cameras on cops. Also, live classroom video is great for kids that are sick at home.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 10 2018, @03:00AM
Parents don't (and shouldn't) have unlimited authority over children. I'm glad Facebook didn't exist when I was a child, because if it had, my privacy may have been violated from the very moment I was born. Most of these disservices that collect massive amounts of data about people should be illegal anyway.
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Tuesday October 09 2018, @06:15AM (2 children)
Good journal. One or two things, however. I cannot take Gaaark seriously until he spells his user name correctly: "Garaque", which has the advantage of vaguely resembling a Deep Space Nine character, and learns to spell "spiel". Do these two things, and we are good.
(Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 09 2018, @06:56AM
> learns to spell "spiel"
What you don't know is that Gaark actually misspelled "spell". Because you'd need to be a fucking wizard to make people realize the problem.
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Wednesday October 10 2018, @04:37PM
When aristarchus gets a son who was awake until 4am 3 nights in a row, and so uses an unresponsive spell-checker to check his spelling, he will have stepped into my shoes and will know what it is like to not know how to spell while being pretty much punch drunk.
Usually, my spelling is impeccable, thanks.
But thank you for commenting, Aristarchus! :)
You get two Tribbles today!
Finally getting some sleep and should be back on here more, again.
--- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. ---Gaaark 2.0 ---
(Score: 2, Interesting) by DECbot on Tuesday October 09 2018, @04:00PM
After a certain age, kids understand the need for privacy in the bathroom. Use that for your argument. Here's how I'd try to direct the conversation:
At this point, the kid should feel this is creepy and unfair, good.
By now, the kid should see something is wrong and is angry about the proposed system: good, you've taught them the need for privacy, security, and how an authoritarian system designed for the public good can be abused and harm everyone. The analogy can be scaled up for the high schoolers or down for the kindergartners.
cats~$ sudo chown -R us /home/base
(Score: 2) by cafebabe on Tuesday October 09 2018, @07:56PM (1 child)
If someone says they have nothing to hide, ask if you can watch them take a number two. Strangely, most of them say no. They have something to hide because they have decency. Beware of the remainder.
1702845791×2
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Wednesday October 10 2018, @04:42PM
I've tried the escalation method, where the lack of privacy gets worse: at times like that there is a cut off, but a lot of people will allow almost anything.
My daughter hesitated when i asked her if she'd be okay with some random scuzzy looking border patrol person going through her phone, maybe taking down her address, maybe copying some of her photos of herself and her girl friends, maybe accessing her facebook etc.
Hesitation: i think she got something to think about. Just got to keep working on her. It's a strange new generation.
(speaking of new generation, my wife says that the kids at her school think nothing of dropping a half eaten sandwich on the floor... they say they're providing a job for the janitor.... i say, "Wow... can i spank the kid?"
--- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. ---Gaaark 2.0 ---
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 10 2018, @03:57PM (2 children)
You, the parent, owe it to the rest of humanity to ensure this pernicious meme of “privacy” doesn’t infect your offspring. You’re too far gone, as are most of us here, but it’s not too late to save your kids from a life of debilitating paranoia.
Your children are on the fast track to wearing fedoras and wielding archaic Thinkpads emblazoned with pony stickers. Get your head out of your ass and help them before it’s too late.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 22 2018, @10:44AM
how about we the adults instead of trying to teach our children how its supposed to be done, show them how its going to be done? "i,m too far gone" so ill sit here and teach my kids to do what i should have done......
ummm say what? our words arentgoing to teach our children to stand up and say no to the easy way. you people really want back privacy for your kids? this is it right here me and you fight together right now. its the only way to teach them is by showing them.
yes thats the hard way because that would require we as parents start doing something. it alsomeans that if the companies we work for and our government ignore our demands, that we open arms. and then things really get berzirk. are we willing to die for our freedom?
are you willing to get your knee caps blown off one at a time for keeping a secret for not telling your enemy where your teamleader keeps your neighborhood supplies? you have to mentaly prepare for that and why? all we have to do is sit here and complain about it on the internet and we have done our jobs as parents, avoided civil war and hope that our children will have bigger balls than us.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 22 2018, @11:18AM
how about we the adults instead of trying to teach our children how its supposed to be done, show them how its going to be done? "i,m too far gone" so ill sit here and teach my kids to do what i should have done......
ummm say what? our words arent going to teach our children to stand up and say no to the easy way. you people really want back privacy for your kids? this is it right here -- me and you stand together and if necessary we vow to fight together right now. the only way to teach them is by showing them we take back what was taken from us, without expecting our children and grandchildren to do it for us.
yes thats the hard way because that would require we as parents start doing something that requires big changes. it also means that if the companies we work for and our government ignore our demands, that we open arms. and then things really get berzirk. are we willing to die for our children's freedom?
are you willing to get your knee caps blown off one at a time for keeping a secret for not telling your adversary where your team leader keeps your neighborhood supplies? you have to mentaly prepare for that and why? when all we have to do is sit here and complain about it on the internet and we have done our jobs as parents, avoided civil war, and dream/hope that our children will have bigger balls than us.