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posted by martyb on Tuesday December 11 2018, @05:46PM   Printer-friendly
from the water+solar+electrolysis=rocket-fuel-and-oxidizer dept.

The OSIRIS-REx spacecraft, which "arrived" at the asteroid Bennu on December 3 but has been slowly approaching it for weeks, has found evidence of Bennu's interaction with liquid water in the past:

In a conference today, scientists announced that OSIRIS-REx has found evidence of hydrated minerals on the surface of Bennu using its on-board spectrometers - tools used to determine the exact chemical composition of a specific spot.

That means "evidence of liquid water" in Bennu's past, according to Amy Simon, the scientist overseeing OSIRIS-REx's spectral analysis.

"To get hydrated minerals in the first place, to get clays, you have to have water interacting with regular minerals," says Simon. "This is a great surprise."

And they're abundant, too. There's "strong convincing, evidence that the surface is dominated by these hydrated minerals," according to Dante Lauretta, leader of OSIRIS-REx's sample return mission, leading the team to believe Bennu is "water rich".


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  • (Score: 2) by MichaelDavidCrawford on Tuesday December 11 2018, @06:53PM (6 children)

    by MichaelDavidCrawford (2339) Subscriber Badge <mdcrawford@gmail.com> on Tuesday December 11 2018, @06:53PM (#773000) Homepage Journal

    Theory is _never_ accepted until it's survived falsification _repeatedly_.

    That's why theoreticians don't get Nobel prizes until their predictions are confirmed

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 11 2018, @07:19PM (3 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 11 2018, @07:19PM (#773016)

    The Epicycles of Mars an a powerfully predictive tool; they work. Yet, they're wrong.

    • (Score: 2) by HiThere on Tuesday December 11 2018, @11:52PM (2 children)

      by HiThere (866) on Tuesday December 11 2018, @11:52PM (#773190) Journal

      Why do you say "They are wrong."? They are correct. They're just quite difficult to compute with, so nobody uses them anymore. But Newtonian physics, which is wrong in exactly the same way (to a smaller degree), is used all the time.

      Most people don't bother to remember that the heliocentric model is wrong. Even the galaxy center isn't fixed in position. But for most calculations, most of the time, it's "good enough". Expecting "absolute truth" is expecting something that the universe is very chintzy about providing.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 12 2018, @04:48AM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 12 2018, @04:48AM (#773301)

        Newtonian physics is used because it is simple to compute. Epicycles are not used because they are annoying to compute. They are used/unused for exactly opposite reasons. Just like people use MOND which is simple algebra instead of lambda-CDM whenever it matters.

        • (Score: 2) by MichaelDavidCrawford on Wednesday December 12 2018, @11:55AM

          by MichaelDavidCrawford (2339) Subscriber Badge <mdcrawford@gmail.com> on Wednesday December 12 2018, @11:55AM (#773407) Homepage Journal

          For centuries, the epicycles were just as accurate as any other functional decomposition to within the errors of naked-eye measurement with the clocks of the day - often the observer's own pulse - and a hand-made transit.

          While Copernicus proposed that the orbits were all circular around the sun, he wasn't actually correct and he had little or no observational evidence.

          Copernicus hired Kepler because he had uncommon sharp eyesight as well as the patience to measure transits for decades. It was only Kepler that was able to determine the orbits were actually elliptical.

          And while I haven't actually tried it, Kepler's measurements could likely have been predicted by an extensive enough epicyclic functional decomposition.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 12 2018, @01:35AM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 12 2018, @01:35AM (#773228)

    Looks like the opposite of a Nobel Peace Prizes:

    Politician: I'm going to pull out of Iraq!
    Nobel: Awesome stuff man! Here's a Peace prize! With a capital 'P'!
    Politician: Thank you. I'm so glad this went to someone so deserving as myself.
    Nobel: You're welcome!
    Politician: Changed my mind, Iraq is a cash cow for the military industrial complex, and they recommend we stay in.
    Nobel: Maybe you should consider giving back the prize?
    Politician: No.
    Nobel: Ok, as you were. Sorry to bother you.

    Nobel Prize for Physics:

    Physicist:
    Nobel: Interesting...
    Other physicists: We've confirmed the results of the physics theory with numerous experiments and studies.
    Nobel: Hmmm...
    More physicists: Really, this shit is earth shatteringly awesome, it's changed the way we approach physical modelling.
    Nobel: Hmmm...
    More physicists: Physicist is old and will probably die soon.
    Nobel: Oh shit... Let's get on this.
    Physicist: Really, my discovery is nothing much, just something I thought up standing on the shoulder of giants far greater than I.
    Nobel: That put's a tear in our eyes. Have this Nobel Prize for Physics! With a capital 'P'!
    Physicist: I'm humbled really, but so many others deserve this prize.
    Nobel: