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Well the good news is that most congresscritters do, and Trump's fake-ass emergency was rejected.
41 Republican Senators and 182 Republican House Representatives, on the other hand, just proved how completely full of crap they are.
Remember when executive overreach was a thing?
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"I have not the slightest confidence in 'spiritual manifestations.'"
-- Robert G. Ingersoll
(Score: 4, Informative) by DeathMonkey on Thursday March 14 2019, @07:19PM (13 children)
All we have to do is convince 40 of those "strict constitutionalists" in the house that congress controls the budget.
And then, convince 6 senators that are opposed to executive action on immigration to disallow executive action on immigration.
And we might just overturn that veto!
(estimated numbers, I'm not sure what the actual totals are, someone ask Pelosi)
(Score: 4, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday March 14 2019, @09:27PM (5 children)
I absolutely agree that the purse strings belong in congress. And this is what happens when you give the executive more power while your guy is in. You'd think one of these times someone would remember that the other side is going to get any power they give their own in a few years. Nah, never happen.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Thursday March 14 2019, @10:54PM (3 children)
Well I'll give Republican Sen. Mike Lee some props.
I'm sure he's an asshole about pretty much everything else but I was pulling apoplectic Republican quotes about Emperor Obama and his was in the list.
He's one of the 12 Rs who voted against Trump. So there.
(Score: 1, Troll) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday March 15 2019, @12:42AM (2 children)
I won't. I try to never assume a congressman will vote their conscience on anything, ever. I'm quite sure he was either getting compensated in some way for this or didn't want to lose a perfectly good rallying cry by actually accomplishing something from the perspective of his voters.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by fustakrakich on Friday March 15 2019, @01:51AM (1 child)
I try to never assume a congressman will vote their conscience on anything, ever.
They might give it a shot in their first term, of course it all goes out the window when they suffer the consequences. Voters don't care, so this what we get. To bad everybody's still playing this republican/democrat bullshit.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday March 15 2019, @04:05AM
It's like highschool football in the middle of the country. You yell at the ref even when you just watched your neighbor's kid take his helmet off and smash someone in the knee with it. Tribalism at its most simplistic.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 15 2019, @12:16AM
One of the biggest problems with having your head up your own or someone else's ass is that you cannot see that far ahead.
(Score: 1, Offtopic) by Runaway1956 on Friday March 15 2019, @02:59AM (6 children)
Search for Bill Clinton and "crisis at the border".
George Bush and "crisis at the border".
Obama and "crisis at the border".
Trump says "crisis at the border", and the CTRL-Left goes insane.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 3, Funny) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday March 15 2019, @04:07AM (2 children)
Trump says "Good morning," and the ctrl-left goes insane. Think of all the time they save by getting pissed off without having to think though. It could usher in the next great national productivity increase.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Friday March 15 2019, @07:30PM (1 child)
Trump says " I have the tough people, but they don’t play it tough — until they go to a certain point, and then it would be very bad, very bad,” and the Alt Right goes out and murders 49 people.
I think I prefer the mean words to the 49 dead people.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday March 16 2019, @01:32AM
Anyone who dislikes Islam is alt-right? Because there's like zero viable evidence on this guy's politics aside from that. His manifesto is either an enormous troll (denounces conservatism, calls himself an ecofascist, and says Candice Owens inspires him) or the dude was too mentally ill for a normal human to even relate to what goes on inside his head.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday March 15 2019, @02:44PM
Oh you hypocrites!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/three-presidents-one-border--and-an-immigration-debate-that-has-grown-coarser/2019/01/08/d9f3c4a4-1357-11e9-90a8-136fa44b80ba_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.ff792dbe6151 [washingtonpost.com]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzlviQH4FhQ [youtube.com]
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Friday March 15 2019, @06:26PM (1 child)
We're not mad at anyone saying there's a humanitarian crisis at the border because that is a factual statement.
We're mad that Trump officially declared a MILITARY EMERGENCY at the border, which is a lie.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday March 15 2019, @06:35PM
Crisis. Check.
Border. Check.
Military. Check.
Commander in Chief taking action. Check.
Alles en ordnung.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 14 2019, @07:46PM (15 children)
Nearly all of Obama's fake-ass emergencies were not even in the USA.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 14 2019, @08:50PM (14 children)
I would much prefer a foreign REAL emergency than a domestic FAKE one. "At least he isn't Obummer! At least he isn't a libruhl! At least..."
goddamn morons gonna sink this country and then blame everyone else
(Score: 3, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday March 14 2019, @09:31PM (13 children)
No, you just cheer what your guys do and hate everything the other guys do. Not because they do things the way you think they should be done but because you think however they say is the way things should be done. I'm starting a study up on how big of an ass-fucking individual partisans have to take before they give their party the finger, let me know when it happens to you so I can record the data point, please.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 14 2019, @09:42PM (1 child)
Get fucked shitbird
(Score: 3, Touché) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday March 15 2019, @12:43AM
Your comeback, it hurts so much! I'm going to go pour myself some whiskey now and cry into it.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 4, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 15 2019, @12:36AM (10 children)
Then let's compare the two. Here are Obama's emergencies:
And here is Trump:
You may notice that all of those emergencies except for two, one Obama and one Trump, are related to sanctions against "bad guys." Obama's emergency declaration dealt with one of the worst outbreaks of the flu we've had in decades and allowed for waivers to be issued until the already introduced law allowing them completed its journey through Congress. Trump's is an emergency declaration that allows a one-time diversion of funds that the Congress explicitly denied. Those two are totally different beasts.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday March 15 2019, @12:52AM (9 children)
What I notice is that they're both trying to do congress's job because they can't be bothered to stop calling each other Hitler for five minutes and agree on anything, at all, ever. From Trump and the people who voted for him's perspective, this is a much more real emergency than anything Obama signed. It's arguably a more real emergency than anything Obama signed even from a disinterested perspective being as it relates directly to the sovereignty and security of the nation in multiple ways.
I'm not saying I agree with it or don't agree with it but if you can't see why it might at least arguably be a more valid use of the emergency powers granted him, it's because you're far too caught up in cheering on your tribe and booing the other team.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday March 15 2019, @01:10AM (8 children)
Except if you really want to solve the illegal immigration and drugs problems, instead of a border wall, you want to:
1) Beef up security at legal ports of entry, many of which are nowhere near the border
2) Crack down on visa fraud, since more illegals are in here due to overstaying a visa than sneaking in without one, and
3) By far the most important, come down like ten tons of rectangular red building-things on any company hiring illegals for labor.
We know none of those are ever going to happen, especially not #3 given how much money illegals are making due to their complete lack of rights. Pull your head out, and try not to shred your rectum on the sharp edge of your beak while doing it...
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday March 15 2019, @04:13AM (2 children)
Right but we're not talking optimal solution here, we're talking is he correct to go with whatever solution he thinks is going to help with a problem that he sees. The viability of the solution and the reality of the problem aren't the issue and you can't really make them the issue until after the fact if this is a power you want to remain with the executive branch. Personally, I don't. I think we should give it back to congress and force them to get off their dead asses and do their job once in a while instead of giving the President every power that they haven't already carved out for some czar or other.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday March 16 2019, @02:33AM (1 child)
I doubt that he believes a wall on the Mexican border will fix anything. It's just something he can deliver by 2020.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday March 16 2019, @04:25AM
True, it's more of an issue of what his voters believe and he attempts to do as a proxy for them. Asking that a politician believe in anything but acquiring personal wealth and power is just unreasonable. Mea culpa.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday March 15 2019, @02:57PM (4 children)
I won't exactly argue against any of that. But, in Tucson, Arizona, the Pima County coroner says he recovers an average of five bodies PER WEEK. Fewer in the winter, more in the summer, average, five bodies PER WEEK. For humanitarian reasons alone, our greatest efforts at cracking down on immigration should be at the border.
Keep in mind now - that is just ONE border county. I've never looked to see how many US counties border on Mexico. That is, I don't know how many times to multiply those five bodies PER WEEK.
Close the god damned border, stop enticing people to make that run, for the promise of welfare and maybe a decent job. The number of people who die trying to sneak through an airport are microscopic, compared to the dead people at the southern border. And, to sweeten things up for you - the dead are women as often as not.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQPXNu3KHRw [youtube.com]
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday March 16 2019, @04:50AM (3 children)
Don't you dare try and make this sound like some sort of self-propelled humanitarian crisis. There wouldn't *be* such a crisis if the US hadn't had a century-old-plus history of meddling in Latin America and, as stated above, an insatiable hunger for effectively slave labor from these people.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday March 16 2019, @01:25PM (2 children)
You are often an arrogant little bitch - but don't YOU DARE to tell me what I dare. I dare, and if you insist, I can whip out my Humanitarian Awards to trump all of your bullshit stories.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday March 16 2019, @05:52PM
Eat shit. They gave Dubya and Obama Nobel Peace Prizes, so at this point I don't trust *anything* along the lines of "humanitarian awards."
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 16 2019, @06:26PM
Meltdown! Meltdown! Meltdown!
You can dooo eeeet Runaway! We believe in youuuuuu!!
MELTDOWWWNNNNNNN!!!!
(Score: 4, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 14 2019, @09:01PM (15 children)
“I have the support of the police, the support of the military, the support of the Bikers for Trump — I have the tough people, but they don’t play it tough — until they go to a certain point, and then it would be very bad, very bad,” Trump said.
For anyone who says Trump is NOT a traitor there is the 2nd example of him publicly trying to incite violence against US citizens. Any Trump defenders should "get it" at this point, the man is a traitor for the above quote alone, no Russian collusion necessary.
(Score: 1, Troll) by khallow on Thursday March 14 2019, @11:20PM (12 children)
Let us note that 1) he didn't incite violence, 2) you neglected the context, and 3) even if he did commit the crime of inciting people to violence, it's not treason. For point 2), let's look at the quote in context [breitbart.com]:
It's classic partisanship. Blame the other side for being worse, talk tough, and whine whine whine. I'm sure we don't do that here, right?
(Score: 4, Informative) by DeathMonkey on Friday March 15 2019, @01:18AM (11 children)
1) he didn't incite violence,
Correct, he THREATENED violence.
The President of the United States threatened the citizens of the United States with extrajudicial violence. That's so much better!
(Score: 0, Flamebait) by khallow on Friday March 15 2019, @02:53AM (9 children)
He didn't do that either.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 15 2019, @04:50AM (8 children)
Only if you're lacking gray matter
(Score: 3, Interesting) by aristarchus on Friday March 15 2019, @07:59AM
khallow is completely innocent of gray matter. We have it on the highest authority. And, anyone can read his posts to see for their self. We are coming to kill you, khallow! But this is just a factual statement, not a threat at all! We did not even mention the "Bikers Against Khallow", of which there are quite a few, not to mention the Cops and Militias and guys who want to own a vaguely military semi-auto looking weapon because of their micro-phallus condition. Just saying we did not mention that.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Friday March 15 2019, @02:17PM (6 children)
Words have meaning. Trump says something vaguely scary in an interview! Treason!
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Friday March 15 2019, @03:27PM (2 children)
Words have meaning.
Silly hand waving. Words mean different things to different people. And yes, he neatly avoided threatening anybody, technically speaking. Another good example of the fluidity of language. It can be easily taken as a threat, but a judge would have to throw it out.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 1) by khallow on Friday March 15 2019, @04:14PM (1 child)
Well, "technical" is what counts here.
Which let us note, isn't saying anything useful. People can taken anything easily as anything. Just look at the drama [esquire.com] that came up when a kid "smirked" in Washington, DC.
(Score: 0, Troll) by fustakrakich on Friday March 15 2019, @06:10PM
Which let us note, isn't saying anything useful.
:-) Trying on my democrat hat. We must deplatform the uncouth! Did I pass the audition?
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Friday March 15 2019, @07:09PM (2 children)
Words have meaning.
Yep, I think the one you're looking for is "extortion."
Nice shop you have there, it would be a shame is something were to happen to it....
(Score: 2, Insightful) by khallow on Friday March 15 2019, @09:16PM (1 child)
No, the phrase I'd be looking for is "blowing it out of proportion". What I can't figure out is why, given the mess Trump is making, there's all this obsessing over bullshit? He's in a ham-handed trade war with China, enormous budget deficits, and such an idiot about so many things, but there's this obsession over what he says or tweets to the point that people are just making up shit merely because he said something vaguely scary. It's like you're batting for the other side.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday March 16 2019, @01:50PM
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 15 2019, @03:01PM
So, suck it up, cupcake.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Friday March 15 2019, @07:46PM (1 child)
“I have the support of the police, the support of the military, the support of the Bikers for Trump — I have the tough people, but they don’t play it tough — until they go to a certain point, and then it would be very bad, very bad,”
And, one day later, 49 dead Muslims. Killed at the hands of a guy who wrote that Trump is "a symbol of renewed white identity and common purpose."
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday March 16 2019, @02:00PM
A guy who has never been a US citizen, much less one of the "tough" people that Trump was speaking of, nor targeting "the left", much less anyone in the US, that Trump was speaking of. Further, he probably didn't just decide to attack anyone on the spur of the moment. He didn't read Trump's quote, buy some guns, and start shooting.
This is the fallacy of correlation != causation. Trump says/tweets lots of dumb and/or mildly scary stuff. He was bound to say something before any given date, much less a mass shooting somewhere in the world. We will no doubt have a similar quote before the next mass shooting and so on.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 14 2019, @09:31PM (17 children)
And Trump will veto, and the windmill (wall) will stand.
(Score: 1) by Sulla on Thursday March 14 2019, @09:34PM (4 children)
Its a good play. Without the declaration Trump is still legally able to shift around funds to build more of the wall, yet the democrats are focused on the small portion from the emergency declaration. He will be able to build/restore swaths of wall/fence before this gets through the legal process. The funds from the emergency declaration is relatively small. CNN sells all of the budget shifting as from the declaration, which it is not.
Ceterum censeo Sinae esse delendam
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Friday March 15 2019, @08:08AM (3 children)
Sulla! This is why you lead to the downfall of Rome! A willful inability to understand the rule of law! No, Trump cannot to that! Even if he does, as you so traitoriously put it, before the legal process get something done, it will all have to be torn down, his name stripped from all laws and public monuments, his spawn liquidated and his ancestors erased. That is the Roman way, is it not? Crucifixion? We leave them up there until the birds and rats have their way, and there is nothing left to bury, so that people have to come up with resurrection myths to not feel so bad about the lack of closure. Trump is going down. Once he vetos the repudiation of the Congress's denial of his "emergency", even more Republican Senators will feel the call to defend the Constitution. Rome, Sulla, it was an idea, that only existed in a whisper, and only lasted as long as good men defended it. Trump is not a good man. All who support him are traitors. There will be justice. Do not be on the wrong side of it again, Sulla, I beg you!
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday March 15 2019, @03:03PM (2 children)
You're several different kinds of dumbass, Ari. But, see if you can't refresh your memory. Rome ultimately fell when it was unable to resist the barbarian hordes from outside. Right? Remember? And, here you are, arguing that we should stop resisting the barbarian hordes from south of the border. Now, are you ready to admit that you've been wrong, all along? Or, would you rather admit that you hate the United States, and that you WANT to see us fall?
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 1) by Sulla on Friday March 15 2019, @04:46PM (1 child)
I believe Aristarchus is complaining about the fall of the Republic. People like to forget that it was Marius and his murder of countless members of the senatorial and equestrian classes that left a void that the opposition to monarchy would have formerly filled. It is a bad analogy on Aristarchus part because there is still an extensive opposition to the executive in the United States.
Ceterum censeo Sinae esse delendam
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Friday March 15 2019, @08:35PM
History is not Runaway's strong suite. In fact, Runaway has no strong suite. But as for the analogy, you should have learned that it is never too early to oppose tyranny, Sulla! Empires never fall from external causes like hordes of barbarians, they rot from the inside, when they allow corrupt idiots to seize power and hold endless rallies, when formerly brave citizens become cowardly and afraid of barbarians to the extent they would imprison women and children, and seek to build a wall, like the Vallum Hadriani.
No, Runaway, the United States has already failed. It has lost its principles of equality and justice that made it what it was, and now consists of fools in MAGAot hats who watch Fox News. Quite sad, actually.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Friday March 15 2019, @02:17AM (11 children)
Hmmm.....
Trump supporter who doesn't know what 'tilting at windmills' means?
Or, liberal who does?
(Score: 0, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 15 2019, @01:44PM (10 children)
You're surprised that your assumptions of people are so wrong? That you can't fit everyone into the small little boxes your mind is limited to? That people are much more diverse, and much more complicated, than you can possibly grasp? This is why you are part of the problem.
Ironically, you won't be able to understand this.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Friday March 15 2019, @02:25PM (9 children)
Well, I was leaning toward ignorant Trump supporter and I think I won.
Here's a little offtopic lesson for the day: Don Quixote.
Now bear with me, I know he was some kind of Mexican, but he was also batshit crazy.
When he was out "tilting at windmills" he thought he was FIGHTING DRAGONS.
So by saying Trump is "tilting at walls" you are implying 2 thing:
1) Trump is batshit crazy.
2) Immigration, like dragons, ARE NOT REAL PROBLEMS.
So I agree with what you actually said, just not what you meant to say.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 15 2019, @02:38PM (1 child)
I wouldn't know; I wasn't the OP AC. But your assumptions rule the day, right? Like I said, "Ironically, you won't be able to understand this." Way to prove my point.
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Friday March 15 2019, @08:45PM
Pride in ignorance and stupidity is a dangerous character flaw. You should at least try to hide it. As Dean Wormer put it, "Fat, drunk, stupid and Trump supporting is no way to go through life."
Cervantes is a bit above the average right-wing nut-job soylentil. But as Fox and Fiends said about Beto O'Rourke, "As if it's a big plus that he reads books [esquire.com]." Yeah, as if.
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by Runaway1956 on Friday March 15 2019, @03:05PM (5 children)
That's a verbose way of saying that he was a Democrat, isn't it?
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 15 2019, @04:14PM (4 children)
Tribal nonsense, humorous that you often cry about the tribal tendencies.
Hypocritical jackass
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday March 15 2019, @05:09PM (3 children)
Yes, I suppose it is tribal nonsense. The other big tribe is a different flavor of batshit crazy than yours is. Alas - my tribe is so small that it's batshit crazy is seldom revealed.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 15 2019, @05:37PM (2 children)
I disagree. You reveal some of your batshit crazy in every post. We've seen far more of your batshit crazy than we'd like.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday March 15 2019, @05:48PM (1 child)
You err. Yours, and the other large tribe in this country are so batshit, you are unqualified to evaluate batshit.
Let's try this one more time. Lefties are so fucking crazy, we have to wonder how in hell they manage to feed themselves. Oh - I slipped up there - RIGHTIES feed the lefties.
Righties are considerably less batshit - but they definitely are batshit, because they feed the crazies.
Let's play pretend. Let's pretend that all welfare in this nation ended tomorrow. Corporate welfare, individual welfare, military-industrial welfare, immigrant welfare - it's all done, and government isn't giving money away to ANYONE.
Who are the survivors? Who dies, and who lives?
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 15 2019, @06:17PM
The survivors are buried in Grant's Tomb.
What the hell do you think would happen? What a dumb question! Your brain's getting soft
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday March 16 2019, @02:05PM
(Score: 0, Redundant) by Sulla on Thursday March 14 2019, @09:32PM (2 children)
I'm young so all I remember is Clinton, Bush, Obama, and Trump. Executive overreach seems to be tradition in that every president does it and complaints about the prior president doing it. They won't fix because they want the next executive to have more power. Republicans won't try to curtail it because they want their own guy to have more power, the Dems are just the same. Throughout the years there have been actions taken to try and curtail these sorts of things, but every time it is stopped by "bipartisan" action. The never-Trumpers only oppose this because they hate Trump because they are jealous that he beat all their guys and hasn't started a war with Iran, the Democrats oppose this because they have to to win elections and because they are butthurt they can't use budget shifting to follow through on their threat to use a national emergency on gun control.
I support any action taken to reduce executive power, including the one that is happening now. All emergencies are a violation of the constitution. My favorite part will be when this passes and the next non-Trump D or R gets the power back by bipartisan effort because they need to fight Iran/Terrorism/Russians/Drugs.
The only person who is honest in this whole thing is Rand Paul who wants to reduce executive power regardless of party rather than just when his party is out of power.
Ceterum censeo Sinae esse delendam
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 15 2019, @08:49PM (1 child)
Wrong! Rand Paul just wants the absolute power to toss his lawn clippings onto his neighbor's property, so that he will not have to deal with them, like any good libertariantard.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday March 16 2019, @02:05PM
The lawn clippings tyranny must fall!1!1!!!