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Soylent News has a racism problem. The problem is not so much the racists, though we do seem to have plenty of those in the comments, and I offer all of them a virtual punch in the face. The real problem is the inability to discuss racism. For example, our most recent inability resulted in the mod-banning of the TMB, just because he is Native American. This is not right.
So in the interest of raising the level of discourse here on SoylentNews, I thought it might be a good idea to submit some recent studies and confessions on exactly this topic. But my efforts have been rebuffed, with great vehemence and vitrol. For example, one rejection reads:
We're sorry, your submission "My regrettable libertarian romance: I rebounded from my experimental phase, but many don't" was declined for the following reason:
My regrettable liberal romance: I rebounded from my experimental phase, but many don'tThe editors felt it inappropriate for them to correct the issue themselves.
Well, duh! the prior submission was all about the Dunning-Kruger Effect, so of course they felt it was inappropriate. And who the hell of the Eds thinks I am a liberal? Are we politically illiterate on SN? Θεέ μου.
The submission, in all its rejected glory, can be found here: My regrettable libertarian romance: I rebounded from my experimental phase
And the next rejection was even more, well, childish? What are the Eds afraid of? That they might be racists? (They are.) and not know it? (They don't.) But that is no reason to reject a submission from the Pew Research, pointing out that racists don't know they are racists, unless they know they are racists, and intentionally seeking to draw our attention away from it? No reason given for this rejection. Hmmm. Here it is:
The most racist people are also the least likely to recognize their own racism
And then, we have a follow up to our TMB disturbing study, what with the facts and all, that still offends the eds. Rejection notice:
We're sorry, your submission "Americans See Advantages and Challenges in Country’s Growing Racial and Ethnic Diversity" was declined for the following reason:
"whites are more likely than blacks to say diversity is very good for the country"
The reason is a quote from the Fine Article? I do not understand! Are the Eds saying that the submission does not make some point that they think I am making? Or is the fact that most "whites" are not racist means that the Eds of SoylentNews are not racist? Puzzling Evidence, per David Byrne and Talking Heads. Original (disappeared quickly, this is the point, these submissions did not languish in the queue for days, they were killed in a matter of hours: why? Truth hurts?):
Americans See Advantages and Challenges in Country’s Growing Racial and Ethnic Diversity . Of course, the entire point of the submission was to point out that racists are a minority, a white Republican minority, in America. We cannot be talking about that on SN, Richard Spencer and Milo would not be happy.
Finally, a submission pointing out that, well, read the title:
Nearly half of white Republicans say it bothers them to hear people speaking foreign languages
Some may be aware, if they peruse the queue, that I on occasion submit submissions from places other than America or its lapdog, Britain, in languages that Americans find opaque and disturbing. And of course, this is most prevalent among the least educated, and therefore Republican, Americans. Really, we should internationalize SoylentNews. We have Unicode, and we can't use it? Why? The only explanation is, yes: Racism. So before you say, "I am not in favor of Racism, but . . ." , allow me to say, "μπορεί τα γαϊδουράκια να βρουν το δρόμο τους στην πισίνα γονιδίων σας."
Even my submission where I purposely made no comments, no editorializing, no nothing, rejected! Must be racism!
********Update! Yet another rejection! This one is Is there life after the Alt-right Apparent answer, from the eds, is no. Nothing but death, destruction, darkness, nihilism, hatred, racism, misogyny, pro-business attitudes, and The Dark Side. Once you go alt-right, you'll never be able to be a normie again. Kinda the point, eh? But some of us reject the premise. Come back from the Dark Side, Soylent! It is not too late for you! We'll burn you in a Jedi funeral! Promise.
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And this:https://soylentnews.org/submit.pl?op=viewsub&subid=33637
It was going to be an alt-right white wedding! (yeah, right!)
(Score: 5, Interesting) by c0lo on Thursday May 09 2019, @03:26AM (38 children)
I'm keeping an eye on this one [soylentnews.org] - won't place any bets, though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Thursday May 09 2019, @04:03AM (21 children)
As are we all, c0lo, as are we all. It is kind of a test for how things go from here on. Is SoylentNews redemable, or do we have to take off, and not even nuke it from orbit, because without us, SN is nothing.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Thursday May 09 2019, @04:41AM
Indeed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0
(Score: 1, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Thursday May 09 2019, @05:08PM (11 children)
Many of us know who the real racists are. https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/item/30775-study-liberals-treat-minorities-as-if-they-re-stupid [thenewamerican.com]
If you prefer video, watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrBxZGWCdgs [youtube.com]
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 5, Informative) by cmdrklarg on Thursday May 09 2019, @06:29PM (8 children)
Link to actual study: https://psyarxiv.com/pv2ab/ [psyarxiv.com]
If you are using that study as proof that somehow liberals are more racist than conservatives you need to try again.
Using simple language instead of big words means racism? Seriously? I'm an IT guy; I use simple language with everyone until I confirm that a person groks the more technical stuff.
The biggest flaw I saw was the small sample size: they couldn't find many speeches that a conservative gave to a minority audience. THAT sounds more racist than "using small words".
Answer now is don't give in; aim for a new tomorrow.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by DeathMonkey on Thursday May 09 2019, @06:48PM
Meanwhile, back in Trumpland: Trump chuckles when audience member suggests shooting migrants [usatoday.com]
Because, of course, poor word choice is the EXACT SAME as mudering brown people.
(Score: 0, Troll) by NPC-131072 on Thursday May 09 2019, @09:18PM (3 children)
Hello fren,
It's unconscious bias [psychologytoday.com] AKA the racism of low expectations. [simonandschuster.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 09 2019, @10:09PM (1 child)
I see the resident alt-right dog whistler is still doing their thing.
(Score: -1, Troll) by NPC-131072 on Thursday May 09 2019, @11:49PM
Probably, that's why I'm intent on destroying the alt-right [jstor.org]
(Score: 2) by cmdrklarg on Friday May 10 2019, @08:59PM
You're seriously going to hold up "unconscious bias" as being anywhere near the same as someone who is actively racist?
"Ignore my mountain here; look at this molehill!"
Answer now is don't give in; aim for a new tomorrow.
(Score: 0, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Friday May 10 2019, @02:11AM (1 child)
The study seems to say that liberals have good intentions. But, let us remember that the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Then, it goes on to describe Right-Wing Authoritarianism. The problem is, it's the left wing practicing authoritarianism today. Or, does censorship originate from some source other than authoritarianism?
Meanwhile, liberals think that blacks are dumb, so liberals talk down to blacks, and conservatives do not. Liberals want to lower standards in all fields, and conservatives do not. Figure 1 is indicative that maybe liberals are less competent by nature. Or, maybe they consider everyone to be dumb. Figure 2 seems to indicate that Republicans don't waste time on being "likeable", whereas that is all the D's do. Figure 3 seems to indicate that RINO's tend to play the same talking down game that liberals do, but to a lesser extent.
If you are trying to point out something specific within this study, maybe you should draw my attention to that specific. What I'm seeing is, liberals demonstrate more prejudice than conservatives. Which, one might expect when one remembers that the D's were against the emancipation of blacks, and southern D's were the black's worst enemies for 100 years after the civil war.
Johnson is the one who "rehabilitated" the D's with the blacks, remember? "We'll have those niggers voting for us for the next 200 years" Johnson.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by cmdrklarg on Friday May 10 2019, @09:22PM
Complete and utter bollocks. You do realize that the Democrats back then were the conservatives? That the Republican Party post-Civil War were progressive (do you think the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments would have been passed by conservatives of the day)?
Authoritarianism (opposite of Libertarian) is on a different axis of the political compass from Left-Right and has plenty of members in both parties. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_compass [wikipedia.org]
And as I said elsewhere: Are you really going to compare "unconscious bias" as equivalent to someone who is actively and maliciously racist?
Answer now is don't give in; aim for a new tomorrow.
(Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Friday May 10 2019, @03:56AM
It's called Dumbing Down, folks. And Dems do it a lot. Believe me.
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 09 2019, @08:47PM (1 child)
Hi Turd Face, thanks for weighing in with your worthless opinions and garbage sources!
(Score: 3, Funny) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday May 09 2019, @08:49PM
Come on now, don't ad-hom. He's wrong because his sources are garbage and he's got an obvious, poorly-disguised agenda; leave his unfortunate complexion out of it!
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Wednesday May 15 2019, @06:26PM (7 children)
Neither azuma's nor your's happened, did them?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0
(Score: 3, Informative) by aristarchus on Wednesday May 15 2019, @06:49PM (6 children)
Nope. I resubmitted a couple of times, from different sources, having "fixed" the problems with my original, and suggesting Azuma's was a better submission, and a submission of a follow-up article in the Washingtonian [washingtonian.com], but all rejected without reason. I even mentioned that the Fine Article has gone viral, and that only place I could not find it is SoylentNews. I am vacillating between Ockham's and Hanlon's razors.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Wednesday May 15 2019, @10:29PM (2 children)
Pretty good way to get cuts.
Thanks for the update, some bits in it made me happy.
I'm having a hard time to get my mind on how should I react to the fucking obtuseness of the editors, the time I spend on S/N is inconsequential anyway (other than the waste of life-time, that is). Lately, it's not even pleasant enough to be gratifying... mmm... I'll think a bit later.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Wednesday May 15 2019, @11:45PM (1 child)
Agreed. Sorry for any part I may have had in making SoylentNews less, um, pleasant.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Thursday May 16 2019, @01:37AM
Not a problem.
It was only a brief period when you were focusing on the (sordid aspects of the) figures in alt-right instead of the social phenomenon that... ummm... my hedonic-sense was somehow annoyed. No permanent harm caused, homo sum [wikipedia.org]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Thursday May 16 2019, @09:41AM (2 children)
Why didn't you put the submission in your journal where it could be discussed?
(Score: 3, Informative) by aristarchus on Thursday May 16 2019, @05:06PM (1 child)
Good question, JR! Why didn't you put it on the frontpage, where it could be discussed. Unless, the eds don't want the alt-right discussed. What are you hiding, JR?
(Score: 1, Troll) by realDonaldTrump on Friday May 17 2019, @06:21AM
They don't like certain people. Such as you and me. And they don't like certain subjects. So many things that are pro-Trump, pro-America or pro-Microsoft, they reject. I did the one about Microsoft getting Inducted into Video Game Hall of Fame. Rejected for no reason. And, I did the one about Facebook banning Milo Y., banning Minister Farrakhan(and others) -- rejected because "oh, that's politics." But Fake News about Americans going to Canada for their medical sails right through. Very politically biased.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday May 09 2019, @08:15AM (15 children)
I honestly had no idea Ari beat me to posting that one and am facepalming hard enough to leave welts now.
It also seems like I'm getting entangled in an alliance I never asked for and had no intent of joining. I'm not joking about the "lost child in time" bit; I am about as lost as it's possible for a human to be, and only less so than my avatar because she canonically is unstuck in time for plot purposes. It seems like a lot of ugly, poorly-hidden (at least to me) stuff is coming to a head.
I'm in favor of that, sunlight being the best disinfectant and all. I can also sense, almost like an undercurrent of static electricity, that the last week's events have seriously perturbed the admin and editorial staff, and that several of us are being looked at with suspicion. No one seems to know what to make of me specifically, and that's okay, because I'm not too sure myself either.
Where is this going? What will happen from here?
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 3, Insightful) by c0lo on Thursday May 09 2019, @08:55AM
Why? I find your introduction of the story more compelling for the bit of soul you poured in.
Not that the magister's attempt to lower his alt-right-whiping implement wasn't noted and appreciated.
What alliance are you talking about? This world is full with enough people for the chance of many people thinking/feeling the same about an issue to be quite high without a formal alliance in place. Even more so when the number of position one can pick in regards with the issue is small (extreme polarisation in society)
The way I look at this: I have nothing to reproach myself, I can't control their reaction.
I'm not even gonna 'fuck'em editors', my sex drive goes down with age and, even when younger and more inclined toward experiencing kinks, I wasn't a coprophiliac.
In my mind, the best response to them is ignorance. The worst response to them is leaving S/N. A balanced response is to continue submitting the stories and collect the links in journal if rejected.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Thursday May 09 2019, @09:19AM (13 children)
I often neglect to check to the queue before submitting, sometimes out of negligence, sometimes out of haste. I take you at your word that you were not doing so at my behest or even inspiration. And I must say, that your, as TMB put it, multi-paragraph exegesis pointed out to me the much more caring and solicitous perspective that a female would have on the Fine Article, one that in spite of my best efforts I failed at. Now, as we all have said, the ball is in the eds court. They have no excuse, since it is no longer an aristarchus submission, and they can give me a raspberry by accepting yours over mine!
And you are not joining anything. I am a 2400 (almost) old Greek philosopher. We philosophers only seek truth. Being on our side is not at bad thing. If you feel you were badly used in the recent kerfuffle, I again apologize, and repeat that you are not taking sides by being a second in a matter of honor for myself, you are only doing what you would do, and have done, for many others in the past: stood up for justice. As to who you are, well, besides all the Sappho stuff, you are a Soylentil, and equal among equals, and we all, well, except khallow and TMB, and Runaway, respect you as such. So, you were saying?
Not us is the focus upon, last weeks Spam-mod affair is squarely on TMB and the admins and editors. I think they have handled it as best they could. But the focus is on them, now, and the question of what kind of news aggregation site SN is going to be is out in the open. Always tickles me when commentors thing that I want my submissions to be accepted. That is not the point at all. I just want them not to be arbitrarily dismissed by an alt-right editorial board, which I think is possible. janrinock has shown some understanding that we need to put the kibosh on the islamopohbia stuff.
And as for making something of Hazuki, well I, for one, hope she gets the new and better job this week!! The Universe needs you.
(Score: 3, Informative) by aristarchus on Thursday May 09 2019, @09:30AM
And, of late, the last 48 hours, I have been watching this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojYK6CW8gdw&list=RDojYK6CW8gdw&index=1 [youtube.com] over and over. Tight harmony just appeals to me, even by robots, even by steampunk robots.
(Score: 0, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Thursday May 09 2019, @05:11PM (11 children)
Introducing sexism to the discussion in an attempt to get on 'Zumi's good side is noted.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday May 09 2019, @08:25PM (9 children)
Acknowledging that women may have a different perspective on an issue than men is not sexism you fragile fucking snowflake.
You are seriously cracking up, Runaway. You're getting jumpy and hypervigilant, doing the equivalent of sitting on the front porch with a shotgun in case Charlie decides to move in next door and start being Vietnamese at you.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: -1, Troll) by NPC-131072 on Thursday May 09 2019, @08:39PM (8 children)
There's that biological determinism again. Do you even gender studies? [purdue.edu]
(Score: 0, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 09 2019, @08:49PM (6 children)
hey dumbass, grow up
(Score: -1, Troll) by NPC-131072 on Thursday May 09 2019, @08:59PM (5 children)
Ableism noted. What is wrong with this site? Why would you say something like that to a dwarf?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 09 2019, @10:14PM (4 children)
You realize that every time you try and play the "no u" game it just reinforces the fact that you're a bigot?
(Score: 0, Troll) by NPC-131072 on Thursday May 09 2019, @10:59PM (3 children)
Se cree el ladrón que todos son de su condición.
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 09 2019, @11:05PM (2 children)
It is a long standing tradition for conservative to preach mightily against the exact shit they're doing and don't want anyone to realize.
Gaslight
Obstruct
Project
You are simply not important enough to act out the O, but my god you nail the G and P like they're your cousin.
(Score: -1, Troll) by NPC-131072 on Thursday May 09 2019, @11:13PM (1 child)
You trumptards are unbelievable. Stop judging us by your standards, we're better than you!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 10 2019, @04:46PM
At least you finally admit that Trump supporters are idiots :)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 09 2019, @10:14PM
Ah, I found your problem. Too much armchair pontification leads to absurdities sometimes and Literal Hitler [wsws.org] other times. I recommend the method of study used by Norah Vincent [wikipedia.org] instead.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 12 2019, @08:18AM
Squeal like a pig, runaway, you shore do have a pretty mouth! Is that banjo music I hear? Oh, you poor animal husbander, taken it the most wrong way. You do not have inseminate them yourself, Runaway, no matter how much you want to. Leave things like this up to the professionals.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 09 2019, @07:05AM (1 child)
You need serious therapy for your alt-REEEEEEEEEE issues.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by aristarchus on Thursday May 09 2019, @09:26AM
My dear AC, I am the therapy for SoylentNews Alt-right issues! I AM THE ONE WHO KNocks!! Like that.
(Score: 5, Touché) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday May 09 2019, @10:02AM (15 children)
I mod banned myself because I'm indian? Damn that unconscious, internalized white supremacy! It's just too sneaky!
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 09 2019, @10:10AM (5 children)
Mighty Buzzard = 1/1024
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday May 09 2019, @01:56PM
Well it damned sure ain't 1/1000. Base 2 all the way, bitches.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1, Offtopic) by realDonaldTrump on Thursday May 09 2019, @03:53PM (3 children)
That wasn't me, folks. Wasn't me. But if The Mighty Buzzard runs for President, we can come back to that one. I hear he's becoming one of the most powerful people of Soylent News. So we're keeping an eye on him!!
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday May 10 2019, @03:25AM (2 children)
My uid may only be 18 but my power level's over nine thousand.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Friday May 10 2019, @03:51AM (1 child)
You're thinking about, do you want to run. Watch what happens to Bill (Failing) Weld!!!
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday May 10 2019, @10:43AM
You kidding? I don't even run when chased. My noble ancestors might be baffled or ashamed by that but then my ancestors didn't have cars or air conditioning.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Thursday May 09 2019, @10:13AM (2 children)
Irony is wasted on the python programmers.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 09 2019, @01:33PM
Can this be extended to, "Irony is wasted on programmers or anyone thinking purely logically"?
And if so, is this a place to look??
Irony and Logic : The Ἀντιλεγειν Paradox and Antisthenes' Purpose
https://www.persee.fr/doc/antiq_0770-2817_1974_num_43_1_1746 [persee.fr]
This version doesn't allow me to cut&paste the Greek into a translation engine, so, unfortunately for me, large parts of the book are "all Greek to me".
(Score: 3, Funny) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday May 09 2019, @01:55PM
Man, you can come over and get irony around here any time you like. We got plenty of shirts could use your assistance. Bring your own though, I'm not even sure if I own one anymore.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Thursday May 09 2019, @01:33PM (3 children)
I'm not gonna to doubt it, I'm just curious what kind of it are you: big-, little- or mixed-/middle- indian?
(yes, I know, endianness has nothing to do with indian)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0
(Score: 3, Informative) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday May 09 2019, @01:52PM (2 children)
Well, I'm only 5'6", so...
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 3, Funny) by c0lo on Thursday May 09 2019, @02:01PM (1 child)
Wingtip to wingtip? That's... pretty impressive
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 10 2019, @03:00AM
Nah, you have to uncurl the neck, then measure all the way from beak to tail.
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Sunday May 12 2019, @08:33AM (1 child)
"Only now, at the end, do you realize the true power of dark side!" Come to us, oh The Mighty Buzzard, and we will make you a god. Or, at least, a junior vice president in charge of Human Resourses. And, we have cookies, the most wonderful cookies of all time, with white chocolate and Macadamia nuts, just like the white supremacists want, except that Macadamia Nut are not White. Oh, shit! Embargo and tarrifs are in effect! We will accept no Macadamia nuts that are more crazy than the Current Administration. That should cover it. Carry on, just like the President was not a Brokeahontus.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday May 13 2019, @12:16PM
Sounds like it would significantly cut into my fishing time. I can't be having with that.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1, Offtopic) by shortscreen on Thursday May 09 2019, @04:01PM (2 children)
I wonder if the inability of certain posters to refrain from making unsubstantiated accusations is related to the perceived lack of discussion.
(Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 09 2019, @04:38PM
Lemme guess, you think Trump is the least racist person alive because he said so!
(Score: 1, Redundant) by Runaway1956 on Thursday May 09 2019, @05:16PM
Stop talking about it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3cGfrExozQ [youtube.com]
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Tuesday May 14 2019, @09:53PM
So many wonderful Conservative (&other) voices being silenced. Frankly I think Facebook, at times puts Money ahead of what's best for our Country. They don't always put America First. And, I did the Sub about the horrible censorship that's going on at Facebook. But, Rejected by Soylent News Editors! Some of whom, possibly are big Facebook stock holders. "We've had enough of left/right politics for a *long* while. No thanks. Put it in your journal--JR" is what they told me. They call it politics because they don't like it. If they liked it they'd call it STEM. And "push" it to all the folks that hide the Politics Section( ghetto). Do you remember the story about The Great Replacement? Called, The US White Majority Will Soon Disappear Forever. They say that one is not about race. They say it's about Mathmatics. About the Field of Mathmatics known as, statistics. Bullshit( 100%), it's about race. Facebook is our Future Digital. Our Digital Future. So important!!!! foxnews.com/tech/facebook-bans-louis-farrakhan-alex-jones-milo-yiannopoulos-for-being-dangerous [foxnews.com]