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Journal by fustakrakich

You probably saw who said that, so I don't have to mention his name.

But you know, there are all those tax and other incentives that sent the jobs overseas. He could, like, take them away? Without sounding like a crazy man? Even if he is?

What is there to say? Genius! Got the whole world in a fishing net...

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 23 2019, @05:10PM (18 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 23 2019, @05:10PM (#884241)

    What are you trying to have a discussion on?

    • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Friday August 23 2019, @06:01PM (15 children)

      by DeathMonkey (1380) on Friday August 23 2019, @06:01PM (#884269) Journal

      If you say his name three times it will summon John Miller to start posting again.

      He's just trying to protect us all!

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 23 2019, @06:06PM (14 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 23 2019, @06:06PM (#884271)

        Trump! Trump! Trump!

        • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Friday August 23 2019, @06:23PM (13 children)

          by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Friday August 23 2019, @06:23PM (#884276) Journal

          If American businesses traded with Chinese businesses, then didn't they do so for their (perceived) economic best interest?

          If they continue to trade, isn't it (presumably) in their own economic best interest?

          But perhaps it is best for businesses to listen to the self-proclaimed (during the campaign) "King of Bankruptcy!".

          --
          Is there a chemotherapy treatment for excessively low blood alcohol level?
          • (Score: 4, Insightful) by hendrikboom on Friday August 23 2019, @07:16PM (12 children)

            by hendrikboom (1125) on Friday August 23 2019, @07:16PM (#884303) Homepage Journal

            If American businesses traded with Chinese businesses, then didn't they do so for their (perceived) economic best interest?

            If they continue to trade, isn't it (presumably) in their own economic best interest?

            Yes, yes.

            The issue is whether there are other Americans whose best interest is not served. Thus it becomes politics.

            • (Score: 4, Touché) by DannyB on Friday August 23 2019, @09:07PM (11 children)

              by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Friday August 23 2019, @09:07PM (#884354) Journal

              OK. So then the "pro business" party is in favor of regulating business when it suits them, to benefit specific individuals. That party should at least be open about that.

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              Is there a chemotherapy treatment for excessively low blood alcohol level?
              • (Score: 3, Touché) by krishnoid on Saturday August 24 2019, @12:00AM (2 children)

                by krishnoid (1156) on Saturday August 24 2019, @12:00AM (#884415)

                Something something "pro bunnies" something regulating bunny suits benefit something something party. I gotta stop skimming these comments.

                • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Saturday August 24 2019, @03:56AM (1 child)

                  by DeathMonkey (1380) on Saturday August 24 2019, @03:56AM (#884551) Journal

                  Something something "Emperor Obama."

                  Just figured I'd summarize 2008-2016 for ya!

                  • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Saturday August 24 2019, @04:48AM

                    by fustakrakich (6150) on Saturday August 24 2019, @04:48AM (#884577) Journal

                    Heh, more like, Something something "lame duck Obama." He kept the chair warm and the money pot full.

                    Sorry, this is what blowback looks like. Every time it gets worse. Each election becomes more dreadful.

                    The word of the day is self-destruction.

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                    La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
              • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Saturday August 24 2019, @03:44AM (7 children)

                by DeathMonkey (1380) on Saturday August 24 2019, @03:44AM (#884545) Journal

                Remember when the government picking winners and losers was a bad thing?

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 24 2019, @07:28PM (6 children)

                  by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 24 2019, @07:28PM (#884875)

                  China is killing 100k Americans a year by not ending the Fentanyl trade. Less of picking winners and losers and more of stopping murder.

                  • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday August 24 2019, @07:41PM (4 children)

                    by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Saturday August 24 2019, @07:41PM (#884879) Journal

                    So it's okay when it's foreigners then, but no way are we going to stop US companies that kill far worse through pollution or price gouging insulin, for example?

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                    I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
                    • (Score: 2) by hendrikboom on Sunday August 25 2019, @03:43PM (1 child)

                      by hendrikboom (1125) on Sunday August 25 2019, @03:43PM (#885211) Homepage Journal

                      Nor is it going to stop Americans that import fentanyl and its precursors in quantities far exceeding medical use.

                      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 25 2019, @07:56PM

                        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 25 2019, @07:56PM (#885349)

                        Fentanyl and abuse of perscription drugs arose out of Clinton sending our jobs overseas with NAFTA, Bush being a moron, and Obama bailing out only the banks and insurance companies. People who had no hope for jobs or success turned to drugs. Now they have jobs or the opportunity to work but they cant break that addiction.

                        That said, American doctors pushing this crap need the rope.

                    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 25 2019, @07:53PM (1 child)

                      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 25 2019, @07:53PM (#885347)

                      Trump is currently doing just that by getting rid of all the laws banning the importation of drugs from Europe/Canada that have similar safety standards to our own. Soon it will be possible to get insulin and other drugs that are charged at insane rates here in the US elsewhere. If (big if, lots of opposition) successful, far more useful than anything the ACA did.

                      • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday August 25 2019, @08:47PM

                        by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Sunday August 25 2019, @08:47PM (#885367) Journal

                        Gods I hope so. I read recently, IIRC in the Pharmacists' Letter, that goddamn one in four insulin-dependent diabetics are rationing or outright stopping their insulin entirely because of the prices. If this happens it won't be anything Trump did on purpose, but I'll take it.

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                        I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
                  • (Score: 2) by dry on Sunday August 25 2019, @11:21PM

                    by dry (223) on Sunday August 25 2019, @11:21PM (#885417) Journal

                    I thought it was America that made Heroin illegal so these citizens are forced to buy their opiates on the free market where the sellers make more profit from lacing their product with fentanyl?

    • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Friday August 23 2019, @06:28PM

      by fustakrakich (6150) on Friday August 23 2019, @06:28PM (#884277) Journal

      Oh nothing, you can go back to whatever it is you were doing...

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      La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 23 2019, @08:11PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 23 2019, @08:11PM (#884330)

      I'll bite, we're talking about confounding the science

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZDYhQ4UAnA [youtube.com]

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 23 2019, @08:14PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 23 2019, @08:14PM (#884331)

    I just tried "I hereby order you to bring me chicken and cashews!" with my local Chinese restaurant. They told me "$15 minimum for delivery."

  • (Score: 1) by Sulla on Friday August 23 2019, @10:09PM (9 children)

    by Sulla (5173) on Friday August 23 2019, @10:09PM (#884384) Journal

    So both Chinese now who the execs are that run the majority of the China Fentanyl operation, and the Chinese know the US knows. Kills hundreds of thousands of Americans a year, and Xi said he would take care of the problem. He has not, and production is actually up in China. Xi is waging an active war against the average American like the British did to the Chinese back in the day. It is better to not do any business with them at all. Remove all subsidies given to companies that ship their operation overseas, maybe some exceptions for restarting operations in this hemesphere, which will lead to stronger and wealthier neighboring countries in the long run. The Japan and SK plan failed when it came to China because of their autocratic control, lets do it with South America instead

    >Industry moves into poor country to exploit workers
    >Wages slowly rise
    >People demand unions to protect rights and make safe
    >People make more money
    >People start buying foreign luxury goods
    >Congrats you are Japan or South Korea now

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    Ceterum censeo Sinae esse delendam
    • (Score: 3, Informative) by krishnoid on Saturday August 24 2019, @03:46AM (8 children)

      by krishnoid (1156) on Saturday August 24 2019, @03:46AM (#884546)

      Except with a 1.4E9 population, relegating the US to the Japan or South Korea tier. Also, except that Japan was willing to listen to the US efficiency expert [deming.org] when the US wasn't, helping bring them into prominence.

      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday August 24 2019, @12:08PM (4 children)

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday August 24 2019, @12:08PM (#884681) Journal

        Also, except that Japan was willing to listen to the US efficiency expert [deming.org] when the US wasn't, helping bring them into prominence.

        Japan isn't listening now. Interesting how much of the developed world has pulled back on what made them developed world.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 24 2019, @04:33PM (3 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 24 2019, @04:33PM (#884809)

          It is interesting. It would be nice if we could have early-stage capitalism at all points along the curve of its development.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 24 2019, @08:02PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 24 2019, @08:02PM (#884892)

            Have you noticed that Trump does not age? He would be the perfect president to oversee a non-aging economic system.

            “It’s been almost three years since Trump won the presidency,” Chris Cuomo said during his CNN show, “Cuomo Prime Time,” on Tuesday. “He looks exactly the same.”

          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday August 25 2019, @01:55AM (1 child)

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday August 25 2019, @01:55AM (#885022) Journal
            Concerning that remark, it's interesting how disinterested people are in early stage capitalism when it's what created the world they live in and the wealth and opportunities they have to push their pet ideas of what an economy should be.
            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 25 2019, @07:03PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 25 2019, @07:03PM (#885305)

              "Late stage capitalism" = "socialism" apparently.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 24 2019, @06:19PM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 24 2019, @06:19PM (#884844)

        Also, except that Japan was willing to listen to the US efficiency expert [deming.org] when the US wasn't, helping bring them into prominence.

        Heh. Heh.

        Mr. Jones related an incident from "some time back" when IBM Canada
        Ltd. of Markham, Ont., ordered some parts from a new supplier in Japan. The
        company noted in its order that acceptable quality allowed for 1.5 percent
        defects (a fairly high standard in North America at the time).
                        The Japanese sent the order, with a few parts packaged separately in
        plastic. The accompanying letter said: "We don't know why you want 1.5 percent defective parts, but for your convenience, we've packed them separately."
                                        -- Excerpted from an article in The (Toronto) Globe and Mail

        • (Score: 2) by hendrikboom on Sunday August 25 2019, @04:34PM (1 child)

          by hendrikboom (1125) on Sunday August 25 2019, @04:34PM (#885226) Homepage Journal

          I remember when one of the American car companies did a big publicity campaign in the US about quality control when the Japanese were eating their lunch.

          A multipage ad in the Scientific American containing an article about Deming's quality control methods and how the American company was applying this amazing new technology in production. It did not mention that it was already seeing routine use in Japan.

          This was sometime in the 80's or so. I had been taught the essence of statistical quality control at university in the 60's. But industry wasn't very interested then.

          • (Score: 2) by krishnoid on Saturday September 07 2019, @08:04AM

            by krishnoid (1156) on Saturday September 07 2019, @08:04AM (#890881)

            One thing I (over)emphasize to people when discussing Deming is that he wrote all of two [goodreads.com] books [goodreads.com], in plain English, about typical problems that businesses run into.

            The concepts are expressed at the young-adult reading level, and he includes details from his experience with businesses who ask him for help, but his complaints about business operation in the first book still seem to be timely today -- and the books were written in the 1980s.

  • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 23 2019, @11:32PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 23 2019, @11:32PM (#884410)

    One of the 8 devils of Kimon has fallen! The world has gotten that much better without the presence of 1/2 of the Kock brothers.

  • (Score: 3, Touché) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday August 24 2019, @12:22AM (2 children)

    by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Saturday August 24 2019, @12:22AM (#884423) Journal

    The party of free trade and free markets, ladies and gentlemen! Also of fiscal responsibility and not growing the deficit!

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    I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 24 2019, @12:43AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 24 2019, @12:43AM (#884439)

      100% will blame 2018 blue wave

    • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 24 2019, @10:15AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 24 2019, @10:15AM (#884661)

      Come on now. The deficit and national debt don't matter if we're in a nuclear missile accuracy contest with Russia, North Korea, Iran, Pakistan, China, etc etc.

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