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Open Letter to the Linux World (or the Ongoing initd and systemd Debate)

posted by LaminatorX on Thursday August 14 2014, @08:15AM   Printer-friendly

silverly writes:

https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/8/12/459

An open letter to the Linux community on how adopting systemd is a mistake. I personally don't have a view but seeing this debate is fascinating as a young programmer.

From the letter:

I just dist-upgraded to Jessie, and voila - PID 1 was suddenly systemd. What a clusterfuck. In a 'One Linux' world, what would distros actually be? Deprecated. No longer relevant. Archaic shells of their once proud individualism. Basically, they're now just a logo and a default desktop background image. Because let's face it, there only needs to be One Modern 'competitor' to the Windows/Mac ownership of personal computing. A unified front to combat the evil empires of Redmond and Cupertino is what's needed. The various differences that made up different 'flavors' of Linux needed to be corralled and brought into compliance for the war to proceed efficiently. Um, what war?

 
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  • (Score: 3, Informative) by Subsentient on Friday August 15 2014, @08:36AM

    by Subsentient (1111) on Friday August 15 2014, @08:36AM (#81660) Homepage Journal
    I don't give a SHIT about UNIX philosophy, I care about freedom, usability, and configurability. With Epoch I tried to make something that stayed the fuck out of people's way, let them do what they wanted with it, wasn't too hard to understand, and a big thing, no dependencies.

    Let me be clear.

    I don't like an all-consuming, Skynet-in-a-tarball, unaudited, binary-log-having, QR code generating [fedoraproject.org], dbus requiring, udev assimilating, black box for an init system, that sends jpegs of crop circles to Poland for all I or anyone else knows. 6MB is a conservative estimate on systemd size, but you know what?

    6MB for an INIT SYSTEM is MASSIVE (and does NOT include dependencies!), and CRIPPLES attempts at ALL pocket-sized 10-20MB linux distros if systemd gets their way and becomes an assimilating part of this nutritious linux breakfast.

    systemd is an abomination that should have been thrown over the cliff like a sickly baby, spartan style, before it hit FEDORA.

    I'm using good old udev 182, not systemd-udevd or eudev, and I'm using the Epoch Init System [universe2.us], and I'm using ConsoleKit with my PolKit, and I'm using ALSA with no fucking pulseaudio, and guess what? I'll sooner add all users to the 'audio' and 'video' groups to fire up my XFCE before I install systemd or logind.

    I want to be honest, I hate systemd so much, I wrote my own fucking init system, and it took me seven months, just so I wouldn't have to stare at systemd's evil fucking boot sequence whenever I flicked the power switch.
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    "It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." -Jiddu Krishnamurti
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