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A jarring new report from The Atlantic claims that the Trump campaign is discussing potential strategies to circumvent the results of the 2020 election, should Joe Biden defeat Donald Trump, by first alleging the existence of rampant fraud and then appointing electors in battleground states where Republicans maintain a legislative majority, whom Trump would ask to bypass the state’s popular vote and instead to choose electors loyal to the GOP and the sitting president.
Trump Campaign Actively Discussing Radical Measures To Bypass Election Results
Original report at the Atlantic (paywall): The Election That Could Break America
Trump Campaign Plan to Bypass Election Results
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Now KEN and BARBIE are PERMANENTLY ADDICTED to MIND-ALTERING DRUGS ...
(Score: 4, Interesting) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday September 23 2020, @08:42PM (1 child)
When even the goddamn ELECTORAL COLLEGE thinks you're too racist!
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Thursday September 24 2020, @02:36PM
Another link from The Weak:
https://theweek.com/speedreads/939191/trump-campaign-reportedly-discussing-contingency-plans-bypass-election-results [theweek.com]
If you eat an entire cake without cutting it, you technically only had one piece.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 23 2020, @08:53PM (11 children)
LOL [thefederalist.com]
(Score: 5, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday September 23 2020, @08:57PM (10 children)
Oh an ad-hominem with a link to some unrelated horseshit.
Thanks for admitting to us all that you have no defense for this traitorous bullshit.
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 24 2020, @02:45AM (1 child)
Nope, he's pointing out that The Atlantic is not news, it is at best entertainment, and at worst, propaganda.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 24 2020, @05:47AM
Small problem, everything they reported is 100% factual. Sorry, are we using Trump's own words against him again? So sad, so very sorry, may you pick better leaders next time.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday September 24 2020, @02:20PM (7 children)
When I looked at the money quote in the link provided, I got:
It's a huge tell that the phrase which would make the statement as claimed was inserted by The Atlantic, not by the interviewee, Tabas. That's pretty yellow.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Thursday September 24 2020, @02:42PM (6 children)
When "I've mentioned it to them" means you DIDN'T discuss it.
Don't follow the nutjobs down that Orwell hole khallow.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday September 24 2020, @03:28PM (5 children)
We only have The Atlantic's word that "it" as mentioned by Tabas is the same as "[direct appointment of electors]". You know, the part I bolded? That single inserted phrase is by far the most important part of the blurb. And it didn't come from the interviewee. Maybe that's just bad editing, but it's bad editing that conveniently furthers the The Atlantic's narrative. We don't know if the interviewee really meant that or the context of the quote.
Don't worry. I'm not following you down that hole. Again, I think it's telling that we have this pants-wetting hysteria about alleged illegal maneuvers by Trump, and the only evidence on the record (rather than by anonymous sources) is a statement by someone with the key bit of information inserted by The Atlantic.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Thursday September 24 2020, @06:02PM (1 child)
Damn, lookit those goalposts move!
Sure bro, I'll just the ignore the quote that YOU PROVIDED!
(Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday September 24 2020, @09:48PM
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Thursday September 24 2020, @06:14PM (2 children)
Does it ever make you feel foolish to defend his nonsense like it never happened only to have him admit it a day or two later?
"(G)et rid of the ballots and you'll have a very ... there won't be a transfer, frankly. There'll be a continuation." - Donald J Trump, President of the United States of America
(Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday September 24 2020, @09:39PM (1 child)
(Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday September 24 2020, @09:49PM
(Score: 3, Informative) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday September 23 2020, @08:54PM (31 children)
My vote already counts less, now they're trying to make it not count at all.
(Score: 0, Troll) by fustakrakich on Wednesday September 23 2020, @09:21PM (30 children)
Who wants to vote for a democrat? They're only in it for the money [ianwelsh.net]
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 4, Funny) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday September 23 2020, @09:27PM (23 children)
Boy, that was weak even for you. You feeling OK today Fusty?
You didn't get a dose of Putin's definitely real covid vaccine today or anything?
You seem low energy, sad even.
(Score: 0, Troll) by fustakrakich on Wednesday September 23 2020, @09:49PM (5 children)
:-) There you go again...
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 23 2020, @10:04PM (3 children)
Well you lue through your teeth pretending to be a centrist but then your blatantly partisan. So either you're a gaslughting conservative, or you are a foreign agent sowing FUD.
Doesn't matter which, both are reprehensible theatrics. Maybe you're a curated bot, would explain the lack of diversity and useful content in every post you make.
(Score: 0, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 24 2020, @02:19PM (2 children)
Hilarious shit, man! Ever wonder why you people are still losing? But then again, replacing republican fascism with democrat fascism will make you feel a whole lot better, right?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 24 2020, @06:42PM (1 child)
Yes, if you're a minority, Democrat Fascism would be 100% better than Republican Fascism. If you're white+male+cis+het+able they're about the same I suppose.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 24 2020, @10:43PM
Yes, if you're a democrat, Democrat Fascism would be 100% better than Republican Fascism.
There, fixed! And thank for proving my point! Each group will vote for its own fascists that give them preferential treatment, or more truthfully, promises to eat them last. You and the trumpies are all the same
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 24 2020, @12:52AM
Troll
Heh, can always expect the democrat moderator nipping at your heels! Too funny!
(Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Thursday September 24 2020, @12:06AM (15 children)
I often go to the "About" page to find out a little about the person who wrote what I'm reading, and it turns out in this case its just the opinions of some bloke. With a CV like that he's probably not even making a living out of it.
Almost as pointless as the A/C who links to infowars and expects to be taken seriously.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday September 24 2020, @12:58AM (9 children)
Regardless, he still has the democrats pegged, as many others have. Victory is not the goal, neither is all out defeat, 50/50 is just right for all concerned.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Thursday September 24 2020, @01:52AM (8 children)
Whatever.
You could just as easily linked to some angsty teenagers LiveJournal blog, if they agreed with you.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday September 24 2020, @01:58AM (5 children)
:-) I only need to remind you of what is on the ballot before anybody should complain about "angsty teenagers"
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Thursday September 24 2020, @02:12AM (4 children)
Good one. Is that one of those "zingers" the young people are talking about?
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday September 24 2020, @04:08AM (3 children)
No
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 24 2020, @05:49AM (2 children)
I think you pegged fusty, angsty teen or possibly college student.
I'm still betting on foreign/GOP shill with his single mindedness though.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday September 24 2020, @02:09PM
I'll take that bet! Kiss your money goodbye!
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 3, Funny) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday September 24 2020, @03:46PM
Honestly, I don't think he's either. I think he's an adult, probably late 20s to early 40s, a single male, and slightly mentally ill.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Thursday September 24 2020, @02:56PM (1 child)
And yet, you agreed with everything this guy wrote about Snowden and the NSA spying campaign. What changed?
(Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Thursday September 24 2020, @07:45PM
Did I? I don't remember doing that.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Thursday September 24 2020, @02:46PM
Ian Welsh didn't write the story Barton Gellman did.
Barton Gellman is the Pulitzer Prize winning investigative journalist who broke the NSA spying story. [wikipedia.org]
Goddamn, at least ad-hominem the right guy!
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday September 24 2020, @06:58PM (3 children)
:-) Heh, it just came to me that you're trashing the article by trashing the writer. Very disappointing... It's getting so that everybody should comment anonymously to avoid these personal issues.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Thursday September 24 2020, @07:46PM (2 children)
Why? That guy is just some blogger expressing an opinion, and you know what people say about opinions.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday September 24 2020, @08:37PM
He is expressing a less biased observation of events than mass media, which expresses the opinion they are paid to express by the sponsors.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday September 24 2020, @10:17PM
:-) And furthermore...
The Washington Post is just Bezos's Blog.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 24 2020, @03:13AM
Please learn some strawman control discipline. If you keep rapid firing your scarecrow, it can burst into flames and burn you badly.
(Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 24 2020, @12:38AM (4 children)
Republicants are all sociopaths and violent egoists, the only motivation they can imagine is personal advantage, so the project the same onto everyone else. This is why selfish fuckhead Donald things that vets are suckers, or losers: he cannot comprehend how anyone would sacrifice for others. That's why he can't understand Jesus, and in private said the Jesus is a loser, and Christians are all suckers.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 24 2020, @05:26AM (2 children)
Let not the prosperous dealing of the unbelievers in the land, deceive thee.
It is but a slender provision; and then their receptacle shall be hell; an unhappy couch shall it be .
Qur'an 3: 196-197 (George Sale translation)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 24 2020, @06:58AM (1 child)
That's some good Qu'ran!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 24 2020, @06:21PM
At least it's the unhappy couch and not the comfy chair!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 24 2020, @07:07AM
Does your projection theory explain why all the democrats seem obsessed with racists, criminals, and welfare bums?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 24 2020, @02:03PM
-1 Troll
HA! You can always tell when you hit a democrat right between the eyes!
Down mods by democrats should add to karma, not take it away. It's a badge of great honor, even if they are a dime a dozen
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday September 23 2020, @09:58PM (1 child)
raise your dominant hand. Then slap yourself silly with it. This has been the plan from day one.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 23 2020, @10:11PM
Perhaps the Republicans will invite observers from Belarus to moniter the election.
(Score: 5, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 23 2020, @10:50PM (10 children)
Modern dictatorships pretend to be democratic, holding elections to disguise their regimes as legitimate while rigging those elections in their favor. The possible actions by Trump are those of a dictator. Authoritarian regimes tend to be the result of power being ceded over time by officials who were naive or complicit. If this happens in the US, only the latter explanation will apply.
We already have concentration camps in this country, run by ICE. There are allegations of forced hysterectomies [nytimes.com] at a facility in Georgia. There are allegations of toxic disinfectants being sprayed repeatedly [businessinsider.com.au] in ICE facilities, causing health problems to detainees. Toxic chemical agents have been used to put down protests at other facilities [theguardian.com], also causing harm to detainees. These allegations are in addition to the family separations and overcrowding at these facilities.
So far, Trump has shown little inclination to turn the might of the US military against other nations, but expanding military funding has been prioritized. So far, militarized police have been used inside US borders. However, the tendency to distance from allied democratic nations and withdraw into isolation raises concerns about the potential for future abuses of military power, particularly with Congress ceding its oversight powers.
Add in the growth white supremacy and identity Christianity and it's easy to see how more minority groups could lose their rights and freedoms on the basis of governing forces that seek to impose their will through tyranny. In some respects, this is more like modern fundamentalist regimes that seek to impose their religious beliefs as opposed to the desire of Nazi Germany to control religious entities. Nonetheless, it is easy to see how the end result of targeting ethnic and religious minorities could result.
Welcome to Nazi America. I, for one, do not welcome our new overlord, Fuhrer Trump.
(Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Thursday September 24 2020, @12:16AM (1 child)
I'm am unsure why this is modded troll. It is entirely correct.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 24 2020, @01:41AM
Because projection and gaslighting. All the whiny conservative trolls lash out and downmod any criticism of Dear Leader.
I would have never guessed before 2016 that Republicans were actually this horrifying.
(Score: 0, Troll) by fustakrakich on Thursday September 24 2020, @01:11AM (4 children)
Surprise! Many dictatorships are democratic. Many dictators rose up through the ranks. Fascism is popular bottom up movement of the people, not top down from the charismatic. He's just the conductor of the orchestra, without which he would look silly. Like what that guy says about how dancing looks to a deaf person.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 3, Informative) by PartTimeZombie on Thursday September 24 2020, @02:10AM (3 children)
Mussolini would have put you up against a wall if you expressed that view in 1930's Italy, using his Blackshirts.
One of the reasons both Hitler and Mussolini turned their countries into police states and used extrajudicial violence to first gain power, then keep it was because they actually were not that popular among the ordinary people, at least in the beginning.
(Score: 3, Touché) by fustakrakich on Thursday September 24 2020, @04:11AM (2 children)
That's Europe. Americans are exceptional
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 24 2020, @11:00AM
Exceptionally dim.
(Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Thursday September 24 2020, @07:43PM
+1 Funny. Very good.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 24 2020, @03:19AM (1 child)
Dammit, AC has seen our manifest! Immediately after Trump wins, we are sending all progressives, all liberals, all BLMs, and all Antifas to the Immigration Zone to be sterilized.
A shame more people didn't act 20 or 30 years ago. https://vangogh.teespring.com/og_pic/6557618/7608536/front.jpg?v=2016-08-15-07-29&background-image=wood&effects=inner-glow [teespring.com]
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Thursday September 24 2020, @02:49PM
That might work better as satire if the US wasn't busy forcibly sterilizing women in the Immigration Zone right now.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 24 2020, @06:48PM
ICFI: Further revelations about sterilizations and medical malpractice at ICE detention facility in Georgia [wsws.org] - Nurse alleges forced sterilizations, medical malpractice at Georgia immigrant detention center [wsws.org]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 24 2020, @12:04AM (2 children)
unless
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday September 24 2020, @03:04AM (1 child)
Unless *what,* Mr. Titor?
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 24 2020, @05:13AM
There needs to be a general strike if Biden wins and Trump refuses to leave. This is too surreal!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 24 2020, @05:10AM (2 children)
I'm throwing away my tin foil hat. Instead I want to know how expensive it will be to add lead shielding to my room. IRL you can't just pay a few caps to any shady doctor to inject you with magic green goo that cures retinal destruction from thermonuclear detonation or lethal radiation exposure leading to mercy killings before the patient's body realizes its skin is completely flash fried alive.
The opening scene detonation in Fallout 4 at a minimum should have blinded everybody standing on the vault's elevator.
unless
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday September 24 2020, @03:42PM (1 child)
Again...unless what, Mr. Titor?
Don't pretend to be some sort of time traveler or universe-hopper, *please.* It's bad enough just to be someone with strong enough intuition and fast enough processing speed that you can foresee this stuff years off; if you were actually traveling through time (and I'd love to know the physics that makes *that* possible!) you'd probably be insane from fear and grief by now.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 24 2020, @06:55PM
My apologies. I am insane from fear and grief. I am seeing the same things you're seeing, and they are difficult to handle. :-(
(Score: 4, Insightful) by https on Thursday September 24 2020, @02:08PM (5 children)
This was predictable the moment #45 started the stream of lies about mail-in ballots (an extremely wise choice during a pandemic) being fraud-prone..
Just like the stream of lies about ineligible voters was a prelude to purging voter rolls of voters - not acceptable ordinarily, but since he filled the air with non-stop bullshit that millions of people were registered who shouldn't be, opposition to purging the rolls of millions of eligible voters was much, much smaller.
Just like calling a disparate and desperate band of pilgrims to the land of freedom... animals and invaders, for weeks and weeks and weeks, paved the way for everyone being OK with forcibly separating refugee parents from their children. Babes literally ripped from their mother's teat, and put into concentration camps. Did you know that sterilizing people without their informed consent is normally called genocide? Turns out americans are OK with that, when you call the victims animals first.
Nazis are fascists, and fascists follow a pattern. The Leader must not be a broad or deep thinker, must have a strong will, and must both announce intention and follow through. In the narrative that the plebes follow, #45 is Vigorously! Solving! Problems! and it doesn't matter that those problems are fiction.
To an outside observer, it's clear that americans are OK with disenfranchisement, concentration camps, genocide, and the execution of civilians by police forces. Your plot is lost.
Offended and laughing about it.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday September 24 2020, @03:43PM (4 children)
I don't know what it's going to take to get the average American to understand this. And the thought that we're having a mini-Holocaust, or even just a step or two away from it, is *horrifying.* Like, suck all the air out of the room horrifying. Even knowing what I know about people I still can't believe it's come to this.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by Mojibake Tengu on Thursday September 24 2020, @04:14PM (2 children)
No illusion can sustain forever. Reality is intrusive by its substance, the existence.
The edge of 太玄 cannot be defined, for it is beyond every aspect of design
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Thursday September 24 2020, @05:32PM
By the time Trump's decreasing numbers of supporters come to realize their mistake, it will be too late to matter.
If you eat an entire cake without cutting it, you technically only had one piece.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 24 2020, @11:39PM
It doesn't need to last forever. It only needs to last long enough for the controls of fascism to be implemented.
As said, USians are already ok with police violence, concentration camps, and that their every thought is recorded and can and will be used against them, StaSi-style. The Second-Amendment zealots will actually defend these practices, rather than remember what the 2A was supposed to guard against.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 24 2020, @06:20PM
As we can see here on SN we have far too many dumbshits who refuse to acknowledge Trumo's fascism and who are scared to death about the most bland DNC candidate ever that better matches a classic conservative.
I really hope SN is a Russian troll farm, it us depressing to think there are more of these proto fascist dumb shits out there.
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Thursday September 24 2020, @05:34PM (2 children)
"Well, we're going to have to see what happens. You know that I've been complaining very strongly about the ballots and the ballots are a disaster," Trump said, when asked if he could commit to the peaceful transition.
"(G)et rid of the ballots and you'll have a very ... there won't be a transfer, frankly. There'll be a continuation."
If you eat an entire cake without cutting it, you technically only had one piece.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Thursday September 24 2020, @06:09PM (1 child)
Mitt Romney:
"Fundamental to democracy is the peaceful transition of power; without that, there is Belarus," Mr Romney tweeted. "Any suggestion that a president might not respect this Constitutional guarantee is both unthinkable and unacceptable."
He followed:
"But I'll sure as shit vote for the whatever nutjob he wants for a lifetime appointment to the Supreme Court!"
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 24 2020, @06:25PM
Hypocrisy.
It is clear Mutt only went against the party line because a) it did not matter and b) he was cleverly positioning so his career might survive the Trump era.