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Kyrgyzstan election: Protesters storm parliament over vote-rigging claims

Protestors in Kyrgyzstan calling for the country's parliamentary election to be annulled have broken into parliament in the capital, Bishkek.

Footage showed people throwing papers from the building's windows, while others were seen entering the office of President Sooronbai Jeenbekov.

The break-in follows a day of clashes with police, who initially dispersed crowds with water cannon and tear gas.

The clashes come amid allegations of vote-rigging in last Sunday's election.

Following the vote, only four parties out of 16 passed the 7% threshold for entry into parliament, three of which have close ties to President Jeenbekov.

Kyrgyzstan election: 120 taken to hospital following result protest

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  • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 06 2020, @02:56AM (22 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 06 2020, @02:56AM (#1061163)
    • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 06 2020, @12:23PM (21 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 06 2020, @12:23PM (#1061242)

      Do you have any idea how offensive this is?

      One cannot oppose war and ethnic cleansing, however, by supporting either of the contending bourgeois camps [...] What these conflicts show is the reactionary nature of the nation-state system [...] Averting further wars and massacres, which could escalate into a devastating conflict between the major powers, requires uniting workers—in Armenia, Azerbaijan and around the world—in a socialist and anti-imperialist movement against war and the capitalist system.

      100,000,000 dead in the 20th Century under Socialism and ethic cleansing still being practiced by the CCP. The clear distinction between Fascism and Socialism is that socialist expansionism is "internationalism", not "nationalism" because that would be "fascist". A small mercy when the tanks of an occupying force amass on your borders. I know Socialists don't like facts but has it occurred to you that you may as well be linking Stormfront?

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 06 2020, @03:32PM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 06 2020, @03:32PM (#1061292)

        The only way to stop fascism is vote for the Biggest Idiot Democrats Ever Nominated.

        • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Tuesday October 06 2020, @06:40PM (1 child)

          by DannyB (5839) on Tuesday October 06 2020, @06:40PM (#1061349) Journal

          You seem to be under the delusion that voting for the Tarded RUMP that Republicans nominated will somehow save you from fascism.

          It won't.

          Just different brands.

          --
          If a minstrel has musical instruments attached to his bicycle, can it be called a minstrel cycle?
          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 06 2020, @08:46PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 06 2020, @08:46PM (#1061390)

            We already have fascism, voted for by everyone who keeps voting democrat and republican.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 06 2020, @04:21PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 06 2020, @04:21PM (#1061302)

        lul

      • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Tuesday October 06 2020, @08:55PM (16 children)

        by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Tuesday October 06 2020, @08:55PM (#1061396)

        Wow that's stupid.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 06 2020, @09:22PM (15 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 06 2020, @09:22PM (#1061402)

          You think history [wikipedia.org] is stupid?

          • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Tuesday October 06 2020, @09:32PM (14 children)

            by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Tuesday October 06 2020, @09:32PM (#1061404)

            And then you link to something Socialism had nothing to do with with. Nice.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 06 2020, @10:17PM (13 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 06 2020, @10:17PM (#1061423)

              The invasion of Poland by both National Socialists and International Socialists had nothing to do with Socialism? Did it not start WWII either?

              • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Tuesday October 06 2020, @10:31PM (12 children)

                by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Tuesday October 06 2020, @10:31PM (#1061425)

                And North Korea is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.

                You're not making the point you think you are.

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 06 2020, @10:44PM (11 children)

                  by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 06 2020, @10:44PM (#1061429)

                  "It wasn't real socialism"

                  Do you have anything better?

                  • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Tuesday October 06 2020, @11:46PM (10 children)

                    by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Tuesday October 06 2020, @11:46PM (#1061442)

                    You sound like a child. Are you 12, or have you just never read a book?

                    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 07 2020, @12:14AM (9 children)

                      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 07 2020, @12:14AM (#1061454)

                      That's a clear "no" then, you don't have anything better, you don't know anything about the subject and resort to projection.

                      Why don't you go and read a book, so you don't look foolish in future?

                      • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Wednesday October 07 2020, @12:39AM (8 children)

                        by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Wednesday October 07 2020, @12:39AM (#1061461)

                        Why don't you read this? [britannica.com]

                        It does include a few grown-up ideas though so you might struggle a bit, but the key idea is:

                        Were the Nazis socialists? No, not in any meaningful way, and certainly not after 1934.

                        But of course the idea that the Nazis were Socialists is really only one invented by the weirdo right wing media in the US over the last few years, as explained here. [abc.net.au]

                        Just because someone says stuff a lot, doesn't make it true.

                        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 07 2020, @02:02AM (7 children)

                          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 07 2020, @02:02AM (#1061485)

                          The "not real Socialism" argument again?

                          But of course the idea that the Nazis were Socialists is really only one invented by the weirdo right wing media in the US over the last few years,

                          That's an outright lie. National Socialists were Socialists! [independent.co.uk] Socialists are already promoting a disgusting, dishonest and murderous ideology - why do they feel a need to lie about Nazi Germany?

                          • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Wednesday October 07 2020, @02:26AM (6 children)

                            by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Wednesday October 07 2020, @02:26AM (#1061497)

                            So my links were too hard to read then?

                            I thought they might be.

                            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 07 2020, @02:30AM

                              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 07 2020, @02:30AM (#1061498)

                              Welcome to Soylent News?

                            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 07 2020, @12:20PM (4 children)

                              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 07 2020, @12:20PM (#1061581)

                              No, the Britannia article is written by a commie-sympathizing sophist desperate to distinguish that murderous Socialist ideology from another murderous Socialist ideology.

                              By the late 1920s, however, with the German economy in free fall, Hitler had enlisted support from wealthy industrialists who sought to pursue avowedly anti-socialist policies.

                              Saint-Simon and early utopian socialists never called for public ownership, just public control through central planning. Industrialists surrendering control to the state (Ein Volk) is entirely socialist, more the pity that the author of your article doesn't understand it as such.

                              Otto Strasser soon recognized that the Nazis were neither a party of socialists nor a party of workers,

                              The Nazis thought differently and conflict theory (class struggle) is a Marxist concept, not a Socialist one.

                              In April 1933 communists, socialists, democrats, and Jews were purged from the German civil service

                              The Krasnaya Gvardiya were the model for Squadrismo and the Schutzstaffel - the Cheka for the Gestapo where a majority (70%) were former communists (nazi rindersteak).

                              Lest there be any remaining questions about the political character of the Nazi revolution, Hitler ordered the murder of Gregor Strasser, an act that was carried out on June 30, 1934, during the Night of the Long Knives. Any remaining traces of socialist thought in the Nazi Party had been extinguished.

                              Good thing communists never murdered their political opponents otherwise we couldn't write this simple minded garbage off as the "not real socialism" argument.

                              Do you have anything better or are you going to take your own advice and read a book?

                              • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Wednesday October 07 2020, @09:20PM (3 children)

                                by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Wednesday October 07 2020, @09:20PM (#1061851)

                                You live in a fantasy world.

                                As noted before, just because you assert something, doesn't make it true, especially:

                                ...the Gestapo where a majority (70%) were former communists

                                which is a lie.

                                This would have mentioned it if it were true, but it's not. [wikipedia.org]
                                You're just arguing black is white at this point.
                                 

                                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 07 2020, @09:49PM (2 children)

                                  by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 07 2020, @09:49PM (#1061872)

                                  which is a lie.

                                  Absolutely is not [wikipedia.org] I could have phrased it better but was going from memory. There's no excuse for the author of the article you linked making so many fundamental mistakes.

                                  As a former Marxist in his early years, Goebbels once stated "how thin the dividing line" was between communism and Nazism, which had caused many Red Front Fighters to "switch to the SA."

                                  In some cities, the numeral strength of party-switching beefsteak Nazis was estimated to be large. Rudolf Diels (the head of the Gestapo from 1933 to 1934) reported that "70 percent" of the new SA recruits had been Communists in the city of Berlin.

                                  • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Wednesday October 07 2020, @10:42PM (1 child)

                                    by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Wednesday October 07 2020, @10:42PM (#1061891)

                                    You're still arguing black is white.

                                    The SA were nothing to do with the Gestapo, and were purged during the Night of the Long Knives.

                                    Maybe I was wrong about you lying. You might just be completely ignorant.

                                    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 08 2020, @02:08AM

                                      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 08 2020, @02:08AM (#1061953)

                                      The SA were nothing to do with the Gestapo, and were purged during the Night of the Long Knives.

                                      The Gestapo was part of the SS which was originally under the command of the SA who wanted it disbanded. The SS then supplanted the SA, placing former Freikorps members into leadership roles. Not all members of the Gestapo were members of the SS but many SS and Gestapo members had belonged to the SA.

                                      Maybe I was wrong about you lying. You might just be completely ignorant.

                                      It must take tremendous effort to willfully misunderstand Nazi ideology. [creativitypost.com] You live in a state of denial. [quadrant.org.au] The core unspoken tenet of Socialism is best summarized in this unrelated piece from a prominent Fabian Socialist, eugenicist and contemporary supporter of Hitler, Mussolini and Stalin: "Do not punish them. Kill, kill, kill, kill, kill them." [theatlantic.com]

  • (Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 06 2020, @03:19AM (5 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 06 2020, @03:19AM (#1061170)

    I forget - are We claiming to own Kyrgyzstan?

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 06 2020, @03:24AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 06 2020, @03:24AM (#1061172)

      Still waiting for the portfolio. It's due out soon, then we'll decide.

    • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Tuesday October 06 2020, @04:01AM (2 children)

      by fustakrakich (6150) on Tuesday October 06 2020, @04:01AM (#1061175) Journal

      Did somebody say we don't?

      --
      La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
      • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Tuesday October 06 2020, @06:40PM (1 child)

        by DannyB (5839) on Tuesday October 06 2020, @06:40PM (#1061350) Journal

        Can we sell it?

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        If a minstrel has musical instruments attached to his bicycle, can it be called a minstrel cycle?
        • (Score: 2, Interesting) by fustakrakich on Tuesday October 06 2020, @06:56PM

          by fustakrakich (6150) on Tuesday October 06 2020, @06:56PM (#1061361) Journal

          Yeah, this is how it's done. Crazy Eddie's real estate sale. Government not included. Buyer has to install his own.

          --
          La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
    • (Score: 3, Touché) by c0lo on Tuesday October 06 2020, @04:30AM

      by c0lo (156) on Tuesday October 06 2020, @04:30AM (#1061180) Journal

      Nope, no oil [worldometers.info].

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      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0
  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 06 2020, @08:19PM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 06 2020, @08:19PM (#1061381)

    Trump refuses to say he will accept the election in any terms. Here is hoping we citizens don't have to physically drag him out like this. Maybe the SS will be happy to oblige since he cares so little for their own safety.

    • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Tuesday October 06 2020, @09:05PM (1 child)

      by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Tuesday October 06 2020, @09:05PM (#1061399)

      You're assuming the Secret Service are in agreement about the benefits or otherwise of Trump continuing in office.

      It may well be that various parts of your vast Secret Police networks (and military) are not terribly happy with continuing to let ordinary people having a say in the makeup of the Government and will ignore the will of the people if it doesn't give the right outcome.

      My personal view is that the people who control the pursestrings won't let it come to that, because scaring the horses like that is bad for business, and if you're busy fighting another Civil War, the sharemarket might slip a bit.

      • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 06 2020, @10:38PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 06 2020, @10:38PM (#1061427)

        Well Trump is desparate and not known for logical thinking so everything is on the table right now.

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