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Journal by quietus

Either we slap a stiff tax on surveillance data, or we learn to love the panopticon.

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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Freeman on Thursday February 17 2022, @03:44PM (6 children)

    by Freeman (732) Subscriber Badge on Thursday February 17 2022, @03:44PM (#1222508) Journal

    Having a right for privacy in your own home isn't enough. It's a good start, but with the digital age has come digital surveillance. Which doesn't mean, random cop sitting on a corner somewhere. It means, 50000+ cameras in a city, always on, always recording. Such a system is invasive and highly abusable.

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    • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday February 17 2022, @08:06PM (3 children)

      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday February 17 2022, @08:06PM (#1222582) Journal
      I imagine the economics would work out differently, if those cameras were getting bricked every week. Something to think about.
      • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Saturday February 19 2022, @03:33AM (2 children)

        by fustakrakich (6150) on Saturday February 19 2022, @03:33AM (#1223025) Journal

        :-) We're not advocating the destruction of property, are we?

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        • (Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday February 19 2022, @04:50AM (1 child)

          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday February 19 2022, @04:50AM (#1223035) Journal
          Property with negative value.
          • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Saturday February 19 2022, @04:58AM

            by fustakrakich (6150) on Saturday February 19 2022, @04:58AM (#1223037) Journal

            That's a great defense for looters and rioters... And who is making that assessment?

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    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Thursday February 17 2022, @09:55PM (1 child)

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday February 17 2022, @09:55PM (#1222607) Homepage Journal

      Privacy in the home isn't even respected. All the work-at-home people are expected to install software capable of surveillance. Remote schooling requires surveillance software. A recent article tells that advertisers want to track your eye movement to ensure that you are watching the advertisements. It's been decades since televisions incorporated the tech to count how many bodies are in the room, and even how many eyes were on the screen. Alexa, Siri, Nest, and all the rest are collecting data inside your home, 24/7. Countless stories have been told about a private conversation resulting in advertising related to that conversation.

      After sex pillow talk between you and your special other about chafing results in advertisements for lubricants? How much more invasive can tech get?

      There are always eyes and ears on you, unless you actively avoid today's "technical marvels". Your fridge, your heat and air, your dishwasher, your clothes washer and dryer, every appliance in the home can report on you.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 19 2022, @07:19AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 19 2022, @07:19AM (#1223063)

        I wonder if the best way to fight it is to overwhelm the databases with disinformation, any and every way possible.

  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Thursday February 17 2022, @04:20PM (6 children)

    by DeathMonkey (1380) on Thursday February 17 2022, @04:20PM (#1222518) Journal

    The TelCo needs to know who made what calls and when for billing and the customers expect to be able to audit that information. So that information needs to exists for at least a billing cycle and probably longer.

    Taxing the collection of data that is necessary to run the business doesn't seem like it would work to me. It's not like they can switch to a less harmful alternative for that information which is what those type of taxes try to encourage.

    Instead I think we just need to make illegal the loophole of the government being able to purchase data they are not allowed to collect on their own. If they need a warrant to access my phone records for free then they should need a warrant to purchase those records too.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 17 2022, @04:26PM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 17 2022, @04:26PM (#1222522)

      How do you prevent government from just opening a corporation that purchases the same information? Even if it's not admissable in court, LEOs have shown time and time again that they are very willing to use parallel construction to make cases.

      • (Score: 3, Touché) by DeathMonkey on Thursday February 17 2022, @04:45PM (1 child)

        by DeathMonkey (1380) on Thursday February 17 2022, @04:45PM (#1222528) Journal

        At some point that corporation would need to give the info to the government. We would make that transfer illegal without a warrant.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 17 2022, @07:25PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 17 2022, @07:25PM (#1222573)

          "Illegal" doesn't stop the transfer, just using it in court...

    • (Score: 2, Touché) by fustakrakich on Thursday February 17 2022, @11:07PM

      by fustakrakich (6150) on Thursday February 17 2022, @11:07PM (#1222619) Journal

      Instead I think we just need to make illegal the loophole of the government being able to purchase data they are not allowed to collect on their own.

      Anybody in the Party putting up a bill? Anybody on the ballot making it an election issue?

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    • (Score: 2) by RS3 on Saturday February 19 2022, @07:22AM

      by RS3 (6367) on Saturday February 19 2022, @07:22AM (#1223065)

      Instead I think we just need to make illegal the loophole of the government being able to purchase data they are not allowed to collect on their own.

      How about we charge them with receiving stolen property? How about good old wiretap laws? I'm sure there are many more applicable charges.

    • (Score: 2) by quietus on Saturday February 19 2022, @06:48PM

      by quietus (6328) on Saturday February 19 2022, @06:48PM (#1223187) Journal

      One of the other legs of the article is that surveillance is core to the business model of Big Tech (Google, Amazon). They do not care whether the government is the buyer and, looking at the size of the ad industry, government mostly isn't the buyer either.

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