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Using powers granted under the Emergencies Act, the federal government has directed banks and other financial institutions to stop doing business with people associated with the anti-vaccine mandate convoy occupying the nation's capital.
According to the regulations published late Tuesday, financial institutions are required to monitor and halt all transactions that funnel money to demonstrators — a measure designed to cut off funding to a well-financed protest that has taken over large swaths of Ottawa's downtown core.
"Financial institutions" aren't just banks.
The government is also ordering insurance companies to suspend policies on vehicles that are part of an unlawful "public assembly."
These financial institutions can't handle cash, issue a loan, extend a mortgage or more generally facilitate "any transaction" of a "designated person" while the Emergencies Act is in place.
The regulations define a "designated person" who can be cut off from financial services as someone who is "directly or indirectly" participating in a "public assembly that may reasonably be expected to lead to a breach of the peace," or a person engaging in "serious interference with trade" or "critical infrastructure."
So basically, the Canadian government chickened out and mandated instead that the banks and insurance companies to do everything. Then rat out their customers to the government once they're done.
Banks also are required to "disclose without delay" the "existence of property in their possession or control" or "any information about a transaction or proposed transaction" related to a "designated person" to both the RCMP and the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS).
"Those authorities are now in force and they're being used," said Public Safety Minister Marco Mendicino. "It's incredibly important that we follow the money."
It's not "incredibly important" for anyone interested in rule of law, due process, or proportionality of punishment. And the final part:
The Emergencies Act and its associated regulations are in effect for only 30 days; that period could be shorter if Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and his cabinet revoke it or if Parliament scuttles it after a vote. But a senior government official said there could be long-term implications.
"For the most part, financial institutions can decide who they do business with and they may decide to cease offering financial services," the official said.
Mark Blumberg is a lawyer at Blumberg Segal LLP who specializes in non-profit and charity law. In an interview, he said that while the Emergencies Act gives banks time-limited powers, these institutions "may just decide to shut the person's account down" because there could be "huge risks" for banks servicing these customers in the future.
So rather than deal with the protest in a sensible manner (they're breaking the law, right?), the Canadian government has put forward this ridiculous "emergency" and deputized a bunch of businesses to go crazy with legal immunity (but only if they toe the government line). In the meantime, the protesters can lose their insurance and freeze finances. So what's going to happen to protesters of any sort in the future, if banks and insurance companies see them as liabilities due to this emergency?
Now imagine if Trump and US financial institutions had this kind of power over BLM protesters. Wouldn't be a problem, right?
Hopefully, this will get reversed in the Canadian courts, because otherwise it's a huge move towards tyranny, particularly of the fascist sort.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 18 2022, @01:33AM (50 children)
For the first time I can ever remember, I actually completely agree with you. Truly, the world has turned upside down.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Friday February 18 2022, @01:54AM (43 children)
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 18 2022, @02:05AM (36 children)
I guess the people being hurt by the blockade just don't count to you.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 18 2022, @02:13AM
It's just a nice and cozy CHAZ/CHOP for Canada, which as we know from 2020 is legitimate protest activity.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by khallow on Friday February 18 2022, @03:03AM (13 children)
The financial industry can cut them off too, no problem. Just transact intentionally or not with a designated person and you can become a designated person yourself.
I find it interesting how so many people just don't get how abusive this is. The blockade is just an illegal protest, right? Canada has law enforcement for that. It's their job to fix this sort of thing. Why are they creating this whole new way of punishing people (using faceless, unaccountable bureaucrats at banks and such) rather than the stuff that works?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 18 2022, @03:35AM (7 children)
Their big mistake was NOT storming the Capitol Building, like the Canadians did in 1812, or on the Plains of Abraham, or the sinking of the Caroline and the Sons of Liberty in 1837.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Friday February 18 2022, @03:51AM (6 children)
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 18 2022, @06:59PM (5 children)
In other words, you do not know that all these other "disturbances" were the result of American, or American-based interference with Canadian sovereignty? Left out the Fenian Invasion [irishstudies.ca] in 1866. In case you are slow, the Ontario Trucker's protest is an American operation.
(Interesting, saw a protester carrying a Canadian flag, except there were stripes of white and red, and the Maple Leaf was filled with stars? Do they want to be assimilated into the Wacko States of America? What happened to the wall [theinertia.com]?)
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday February 19 2022, @01:01PM (4 children)
And then you follow up with an example which didn't interfere with Canadian sovereignty (the Fenian invasion) because Canada wasn't sovereign - it was a territory of the UK empire.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 21 2022, @06:56AM (3 children)
And guess what, you really stupid and uneducated American, was the result of the Fenian invasion? MY Gawd, or any other god, khallow you dip below the norm for an educated Soylentil. Perhaps some history, and science , and maybe just some community college general education? Beats the hell out of the libertariantard suck-hole you seem to have gotten yourself into. We are pulling for you, khallow!
(Score: 1) by khallow on Monday February 21 2022, @10:31AM (2 children)
Sounds like you can answer that question yourself. Awful lot of pretentious whining for something that's completely irrelevant.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 21 2022, @09:56PM (1 child)
American False Flag operations to overthrow a government that is not in El Salvador or Vietnam? Pretty relevant, I would think. Who is paying you, khallow?
(Score: 1) by khallow on Monday February 21 2022, @10:26PM
If you had read the story, it was either Ireland or Canada, depending on which invaders you asked.
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 18 2022, @07:32AM (1 child)
"Never let a crisis go to waste." Police actions are subject to oversight, public scrutiny, and challenge in court. This bypasses all of that completely, giving the government carte blanche to go after malcontents and undesirables (read: political opponents) with impunity. The respect I was gaining for Justin Trudeau over how he was handling this situation is now completely gone. This needs to be stopped now before it can take root. The blockade was a problem, but this is an actual threat.
(Score: 2) by hendrikboom on Sunday February 20 2022, @02:56AM
Actually, those actions are still open to scrutiny.
The relevant law requires a post-emergency review of what ended up happening as a result of dealing with the state of emergency.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 18 2022, @02:17PM (2 children)
Just follow the example of the US, go in and beat the shit out of them.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Friday February 18 2022, @02:30PM
(Score: 2) by https on Friday February 18 2022, @03:57PM
Uh, they're mostly middle-aged white guys, who want something the police want too, so there's a bit of a problem.
Police in Canada have no problem arresting a thousand people [nanaimobulletin.com] if they're supporting brown people.
Offended and laughing about it.
(Score: 0, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Friday February 18 2022, @08:01AM (20 children)
Who is being "hurt by the blockade"? I can see that government is being embarrassed. Corporations are facing a few day's shutdown. People who work for those corporations may miss a paycheck. I see inconveniences, no real harm being done. Do you have examples of people being hurt?
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 18 2022, @09:19AM (7 children)
And, let half a dozen "darkies" walk across a highway outside of Fergeson, and the entire town has been burned to the ground! Your racism is showing, Runaway. Best tuck in that white sheet.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 18 2022, @11:00AM (6 children)
citations needed
it seems that the towns burnt down in the past couple of years were burned by good woke BLM and Antifa people
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 18 2022, @07:04PM (5 children)
No, they weren't. You are an idiot. The point was that your people said that blocking roads by BLM [cbsnews.com] was criminal, but you seem tolerate fascists doing the same with their trucks. Double standard much? Funny how racism will make you do that.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday February 18 2022, @08:24PM (2 children)
Ahhhhhhhh, you win a fraction of a point. Yeah, blocking roads is bad. Especially when those roads lead to hospitals and medical facilities. Even more so when rioters attempt to pull people out of their cars to beat them to death. Even worse when a rioter points a weapon at a motorist to intimidate that motorist. All of which BLM/Antifa have been guilty of in the past couple years.
So, tell me - have these truckers blockaded any hospitals? Have they beaten any motorists to death? Have they actually shot at anyone? I hate double standards myself, but, we can kinda graph this shit, and create a spectrum of 1. kinda bad, 2. really bad, 3. misdemeanor bad, 4. felony bad, and at the worst extreme, 5. Marxist bad. I think the truckers are hovering between 3 and 4 at the moment. They haven't burnt any cities down, have they? They haven't firebombed a nursery school? Not roasting puppies for dinner? Are they marching through outdoor restaurants, assaulting and intimidating innocent people enjoying their dinners? BLM/Antifa have done all those things. Well, maybe they haven't eaten cute puppies on camera, but all the rest has been documented.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 18 2022, @09:28PM (1 child)
Runaway triggered!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 21 2022, @07:06AM
Runaway Triggered, and flipped into revealing his real identity! I have it, on good soylentil scuttle butt, that Runaway1956 is actualy : . . . Paul Cotton, less smart brother of Tom Cotton, a total idiot who some how, (well, it is Arckansas, and he is married, well, so to someone not his cousin, and not a Huckbee, nor "huckabee cousin" , squirrel brains not included.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 18 2022, @08:24PM
Equal protection under the law is a core principle of Liberal Democracy. Bourgeois Marxists normalized road blocking as protest with little push back from authorities and now the working class will be granted the same right. The hypocrisy is yours!
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 19 2022, @04:47AM
Your hypocracy is right there and you can't even see what you wrote. You libtards are so fucking stupid. So if BLM block roads, it's democracy, right? But if the truckers do it, they're fascists. You wrote it.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 18 2022, @02:20PM
If they live paycheck to paycheck they are being hurt.
(Score: 3, Touché) by DeathMonkey on Friday February 18 2022, @06:14PM (9 children)
Shocking nobody, conservatives love inflation and caravans at the border now.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Friday February 18 2022, @06:51PM (8 children)
Since they are blocking the road am I allowed to go run them over with my car now?
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 18 2022, @08:28PM (5 children)
You're endorsing Charlottesville now? tbh, my money would be on the truck.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Friday February 18 2022, @10:07PM (4 children)
Clutch those pearls harder because I definitely wasn't being sarcastic.
These folks, on the other hand, were deadly serious about it not too long ago:
Republicans in Florida and Oklahoma have passed laws protecting drivers who hit protestors with cars. [slate.com]
Fox News, Daily Caller delete posts encouraging people to drive through protests [cnn.com]
(Score: 2, Touché) by khallow on Saturday February 19 2022, @12:07AM (3 children)
The real problem is that you'll need to clutch the steering wheel on something that can run over a 18 wheeler.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 19 2022, @08:39PM (2 children)
If only you had something like, a backhoe!
(Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday February 20 2022, @02:25AM (1 child)
(Score: 2) by deimtee on Monday February 21 2022, @12:17PM
Here you go.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azEvfD4C6ow [youtube.com]
No problem is insoluble, but at Ksp = 2.943×10−25 Mercury Sulphide comes close.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Saturday February 19 2022, @01:58AM (1 child)
You're gonna run over a tractor trailer with your car? Please have the camera rolling! And let us know what kind of car you have that can do this
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by hendrikboom on Sunday February 20 2022, @03:00AM
A Euclid? Those were all over Winnipeg in the 60's moving massive amounts or earth and stuff to temporarily raise the Winnipeg permanent dike system to keep the Red River in its banks and prevent the city from flooding.
They were huge.
So are the tractor trailers. Kind of like a battler between giant dinosaurs.
If I were to bet, my money would be on the Euclid.
(Score: 5, Informative) by hendrikboom on Friday February 18 2022, @10:10PM
The continual truck horns are loud enough to cause hearing damage to nearby residents.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 18 2022, @05:08PM (5 children)
Don't flatter yourself too much! Even a blind pig can sometimes find an acorn.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday February 19 2022, @12:05AM (4 children)
You do realize that the pig would be doing that by smell in the first place.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 19 2022, @04:50AM (2 children)
Speaking of smell, this entire website is beginning to stink. There's no freedom of expression here- censorship by the angry libtard mob.
https://www.thefire.org/ [thefire.org]
(Score: 0, Spam) by TheRealAristarchus on Saturday February 19 2022, @06:42AM
Noticed that. The smell is starting to be way too much.
(Score: 3, Touché) by khallow on Saturday February 19 2022, @07:16PM
(Score: 2) by hendrikboom on Sunday February 20 2022, @03:04AM
And the pig would probably find a truffle instead of an acorn.
(Score: -1, Troll) by TheRealAristarchus on Saturday February 19 2022, @06:40AM (5 children)
If you find yourself completely agreeing with khallow for more than four hours, seek immediate medical attention.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday February 19 2022, @10:28AM
(Score: 2) by hendrikboom on Sunday February 20 2022, @03:06AM (3 children)
Let me wonder if TheRealAristarchus is the real aristarchus.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 20 2022, @04:25AM (2 children)
You'd probably better wait for OfficialAristarchus or AristarchusOfficial to be sure.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 20 2022, @09:44AM (1 child)
The "TheRealAristarchus" is already banned, censored, booted, expatriated. So we will have to see if the Official one lasts any longer. I am betting it was not aristarchus, but some false-flag alt-right long-haul (Covid-19) trucker ruse. But the real lesson to be learned is that we are all aristarchus, now. Speak up, repudiate crap like this journal when you see it. Several posters here have already pointed out that khallow has no idea what he is talking about, and that Runaway is a forked-tongued double-standarding fascist. Keep up the good work.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 20 2022, @08:26PM
"A truck is not a speech. A horn is not a voice. An occupation is not a protest. A blockade is not freedom, it blocks the liberty of all. A demand to overthrow a government is not a dialogue. The expression of hatred is not a difference of opinion. A lie is not the truth."
— Bob Rae
https://twitter.com/BobRae48/status/1495448014512664579?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw [twitter.com]
(Score: 1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 18 2022, @01:42AM (2 children)
The financial system was already being weaponized against dissidents, but the day will soon come when a person walks into a store to buy groceries but gets rejected by the payment processor because they have been "cancelled".
(Score: 1, Interesting) by khallow on Friday February 18 2022, @01:54AM
Agreed, but this is a big step further on that.
(Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 18 2022, @07:51AM
This exact thing happened to aristarchus just the other day. Went into the Whole Foods, and they said, "We're Sorry, but your SoylentNews credentials are no longer valid. Sucks to be cancelled.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 18 2022, @02:21AM (1 child)
Digital bank runs took down more than one Canadian bank's website. LOL
(Score: 2, Touché) by khallow on Friday February 18 2022, @03:06AM
(Score: 3, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 18 2022, @03:55AM (52 children)
To put it bluntly, you don't know what you're talking about, and - lucky you - I may have some time to do part of your homework for you.
The protesters are extremely well organized and well funded fascists.It's clear they had massive external funding before gofundme and givesendgo got involved.
It's never been about the vaccine mandates. Any Canadian trucker going to the USA has to be vaccinated to enter, Making it reciprocal for those coming back is a nothingburger.
The "protests" are a deliberate shitshow was organized by a loose coalition of christian dominionists (Taliban, but with a bilbe instead of a koran) and white supremacist ethnonationalists, more commonly known as Nazis. Personally, I smell Steve Bannon ("Flood the field with shit")and the IDU at play. Members of the Candadian Nationalist Party (socialism! but only if you're the Right Kind of canadian) were waving a giant godddamn literal Third Reich swastika flag around on Canada's Parliament Hill. One cell of the terrorist group Diagolon(extremely violent accelerationist white supremacists), was found in one of the border blocakdes with a list of people to kill, and a plan for killing police officers who interfered with the blockades. The RCMP are, on average, highly trained and competent, so they were arrested without a single shot being fired. Yet people bitch because it took them a week to do it. In my town, I've had protesters trying to jump in front of my vehicle, and many are using mirrors to dazzle drivers without the approved stickers.
The federal government's response has hardly been fascist. It's been exceptionally restrained; most people living near Parilament would happily witness the occupiers' deaths because...
One thing missing from much of the reporting is just how god damn disruptive it is to your life to have air horns going off 24/7 for weeks. It's a well defined torture technique. the occupiers have been harrassing and assaulting locals who dare to walk alone in public with masks, or with not-white-skin. Special attention gets paid to anyone working in medical services, and extra-special attention to reporters. And when the residents of one buiilding tried to convince them to stop shooting off fireworks all night, they stopped long enough to form a crew to load the lobby with firestarters, light them, and then block and chain shut the exits The security video is... disturbing to watch. The convoy organizers are trying very hard to provoke a military response, to fuel the narrative of a tyrannical regime. But doing nothing means you're weak! No matter what action is taken, they get to dunk on the leadership. Canada's Prime Minister is smart enough to not fall for it.
As for the perhaps inflammatory post subject, Nazi's primary tactic and goal is getting rid of everyone who isn't them. If you're not a Nazi, it's usually the first clear message you get from a Nazi.
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 18 2022, @04:05AM (5 children)
I'm not sure threatening to kill khallow is the best way to make your political opponents out to be fascists...
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 18 2022, @04:49AM (1 child)
No, but it is interesting to see someone so fervently spill spaghetti everywhere. Judging by the air horns comment that AC has become sleep deprived, deranged, and may end up on a government watchlist or the evening news in the near future.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday February 19 2022, @11:55AM
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 18 2022, @06:09AM
Kill khallow? Not that hard, but who is advocating that? Is Runaway off his meds again? He tends to say stuff he doesn't mean, then, like how Carl Tuckerson is a stable genius, and Soros is funding the Canadian truckers, who along with the Mexican truckers that George W Bush's trade agreement allowed to drive on American asphalt, since there was no Wall, and, . . . and. . .
OK, I have taken a deep breathe. Khallow is already brain dead. He does not understand economics, women, or geysers. And expecially he does not understand international relations, since he is a Californian. This is a nice journal entry he has here. Be a shame if something were to happen to it.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 18 2022, @06:01PM (1 child)
I direct you to the very last line of the GP post: read it again but with comprehension this time.
You must think people here have the attention span of twitter regulars.
(Score: 1, Troll) by khallow on Saturday February 19 2022, @12:10PM
So where do people who have "inflammatory post subjects" fall in the Nazi spectrum?
I recall hearing real Nazis back in the day had a fondness for those inflammatory subjects, and then get someone walk it back for the normies. Supposedly Hitler took advantage of the weekend news slump to say something outrageous to his base on Friday and someone like Goering would explain to the press on Monday that Hitler really meant... So one message would go out to the faithful and a different message would go out to the foreign press and their readers. Dual messaging.
Seems to me that this post fits that mold quite well. A very Nazi tactic.
And really what's the point of the topic in the first place? Even if there are real Nazis in the protest (rather than the flimsy rhetorical nazis), so what? They aren't killing people. Their "primary tactic" isn't happening.
(Score: 1, Troll) by khallow on Friday February 18 2022, @04:22AM (22 children)
Thanks for warning me. I would have expected a serious post, if it weren't for your empty trash talk.
In other words, they're popular.
Well, the protesters say otherwise. What makes your opinion more relevant than theirs?
I guess if you can't say anything relevant, might as well just pull a great big conspiracy out of your ass. I find it amusing how this mirrors (rhetorically) the pro-Russian propaganda that's been posted here recently about those evil, neo-nazi Ukrainians - invasions are too good for them.
So why aren't these people being arrested and their trucks towed, if they're such a nuisance? Right the it's the "took them a week to do it" people, right?
Doing nothing indeed shows weakness. So what are you and your neighbors doing?
I'm also used to people calling everything they don't like "Nazi". It doesn't have any relevance to me, or to this discussion for that matter.
A big, glaring thing you miss is that these emergency powers aren't getting used against Nazis. They're getting used against "designated people" with no accountability or legal framework for who gets designated.
How about instead of being cowards, all these people whose jobs it is to prevent lawbreaking like this do their jobs in a timely manner?
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 18 2022, @04:53AM (4 children)
People I like = activists with grassroots support
People I don't like = well funded fascist nazis
It's so SIMPLE. How could you not GET IT?
(Score: 3, Touché) by DeathMonkey on Friday February 18 2022, @06:22PM (3 children)
Maybe don't run around waving swastika flags if you don't want to be called a Nazi?
(Score: 2, Touché) by khallow on Friday February 18 2022, @08:00PM
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 21 2022, @11:39PM (1 child)
https://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/defence-watch/canadian-officials-who-met-with-ukrainian-unit-linked-to-neo-nazis-feared-exposure-by-news-media-documents [ottawacitizen.com]
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday February 22 2022, @02:58AM
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 18 2022, @06:15AM (3 children)
You mother-licking goddamned lying weasel of shit, khallow! We know you expected nothing of the sort, since you again are, wait for it, (obvious rebuttal), arguing in bad faith. Very, very, bad faith. You are lucky to get off with very indirect rebuttals. I was going to suggest we take off, and Nuke the Ontario fascist truckers from orbit. Really is the only way to be sure. Bad faith, khallow. This is your 241st warning.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 19 2022, @02:03AM (2 children)
Say goodnight, ari!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 19 2022, @08:09AM (1 child)
Well, if it really is ari. How can you tell?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 20 2022, @09:54AM
It looks like ari. May we burn him?
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 18 2022, @07:43AM (7 children)
If they were popular in Canada they wouldn't be dependent on external funding. The US outnumbers Canada 10:1, so a movement supported by 5% of the US has the same resources as a movement supported by 50% of Canadians. This is why foreign money must never be allowed in domestic politics.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by khallow on Friday February 18 2022, @12:06PM (5 children)
So you acknowledge they are popular. Rest my case on that one. And I find all the babble about "well-funded" to be ridiculous. How well funded does a simple protest that has only lasted a few weeks need to be?
Let's stop being stupid for a minute here. Even if foreign support from a neighboring democracy really were a problem (which nobody has shown), Trudeau's measures will cut these protesters off from all support, including themselves. It's a complete disfranchisement not just cutting them off from foreign funding. Sorry, that's bullshit.
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 18 2022, @05:57PM (4 children)
No, I made no such admission. They are a fringe movement, but their voice is amplified because the American fringe supporting them outnumbers the Canadian majority.
They have already raised tens of millions of dollars, and there are reports that a lot of it is coming from the US. Cutting them off from foreign support is right and proper. Cutting them off from domestic support, especially their own, is going too far.
To be clear, I don't agree with what they say. I do agree that they have the right to say it.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Friday February 18 2022, @08:07PM (3 children)
"Right and proper", eh? I think we're seeing a typical failure mode of what happens when you screw around like that. I notice that no one has bothered to explain what's supposed to be wrong with US support.
I think it'll be amusing when this argument gets turned against you in the future.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 20 2022, @12:12AM (2 children)
Repeating what I said earlier, "The US outnumbers Canada 10:1, so a movement supported by 5% of the US has the same resources as a movement supported by 50% of Canadians." That means that a foreign fringe group can overwhelm the domestic majority, which is anti-democracy. If you really can't understand why that is a bad thing, I can't help you.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday February 20 2022, @02:49AM
Last I heard, those protests get get a lot of Canadian support.
No such overwhelming has occurred. Rather I see that a group with valid concerns (even being anti-vax is within the valid purview of Canada citizens) is being attacked because it also happens to be supported to a significant degree by US citizens. This is merely a propaganda attack not a legitimate concern.
Notice that this is consistent with my long term stance on foreign influence. For example, back in 2018 I wrote this:
I wasn't defending a bunch of Russian citizens who just happened to be "overwhelming" some US system. It's the Russian government.
The reason is the following:
Basically, the accusations of funding from US sources is just a giant ad hominem (much like the Nazi accusations and the claim that one already has to be vaccinated going the other way). Foreign entanglements and such are easy to fabricate. My take is that we have a great example of this right here. There's no strings attached to that money, they're just getting it because they're popular with various parties in Canada and the US.
And consider this: if Trudeau's strategy works and all access to financial resources is cut off, then foreign contributions (which incidentally will probably include Canadian contributions routed through a foreign proxy in order to bypass this decree) will be the only way they can survive and protest.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 20 2022, @09:56AM
The saying is:
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 18 2022, @04:16PM
So Justin Trudeau and Chrystia Freeland [notcbc.ca] will not be accepting any more money from the World Economic Forum then? Perhaps the RCMP can detain them without charge while the matter is investigated?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 20 2022, @04:21PM (4 children)
People still seem to think "Nazi" is meant as a slur or term of abuse. It's not: it has a straightforward, literal meaning.
After WWII, there was a campaign to argue that Nazism had no real ideology, that it was just some group of people, to delegitimize it. That had some value, but its downside was that people forgot that Nazism *does* have an ideology.
Nazism conceives of the world as a struggle between races. That's not "race" in the 20c US "black/white" sense; Jews, Slavs, Britons, and so on are all "races," too. And Nazis believe that races have certain characteristics, which are passed on through the blood; and that they are bound to some land.
There are a few other articles of Nazi belief: for example, that acting ("the will") is better than thinking (a sign of weaker races). And that the strength of a race is most strongly exemplified through the untrammeled Will of its leaders. (If you're thinking, "Wait, you just made an ideology around obeying people who don't think?" you may have spotted one of the problems.)
The "National Socialism" is a very real thing, too. It's socialism *for memebers of the nation.* And hey decide who's in and who's out. Government subsidies for "good, decent people?" Sure. Just don't give it to those parasites.
So here's the important thing: These ideas make up Nazism. You don't need to wear a swastika to believe in them. And here's the other important thing: you may have grown up hearing "Nazis are the bad guys" without learning *why*. Or you may have learned about concentration camps, but not about what happened in the ten years leading up to them.
When the Nazis came to power in Germany, they didn't buid camps. They passed laws restricting jobs for "non-German" races (nations). They argued that money spent on the disabled was simply a drain on society, and we should move them to hospitals. They held angry public rallies which often included violence. Their leaders and militias flaunted the law, because they knew it didn't apply. They saw who they could kill and get away with, and gradually, over time, expanded that.
They encouraged "voluntary self-deportation" of unwanted Jews, by banning them from holding jobs. When no country wanted a few million refugees, it was their proof that nobody wanted the Jews.
So camps were started up as administrative holding centers, where they could be put to good use - that is, as slave labor.
The disabled, moved to remote hospitals, were out of sight and out of mind: so that's where they did their first experiments of mass murder.
I could go on about this for hours, but the point is: this was a story of an ideology which did exactly what it said on the label. Not by showing up one night and starting to kill people, but slowly, gradually, building up public normalization of what they did.
When I refer to Nazis, I am not using this as some king of generic slur against people I disagree with. Nazis are people who subscribe to the ideology of Nazism, plain and simple, whatever organizations they do or don't affiliate with.
Nazism is an ideology fundamentally inimical to everyone who isn't a Nazi. It is a known and proven threat to life...
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 20 2022, @09:12PM
#BlackFaceHitler
(Score: 1) by khallow on Monday February 21 2022, @01:41PM
Cool story, bro. Now find someone who actually used Nazi as your straightforward, literal meaning. Including you.
In other words, you're not serious. If you really had been using the words as appropriate, you would have presented evidence of said Nazism rather than just sling it around like a slur. I find it remarkable how often people can describe things like the real meaning of words or the process of rational thought, then when I look in their posts, it's just not there. There's a huge gap between idea and reality. It shows up in your post as well.
In the original post, there were several warning signs of misuse of "Nazi". First, tarring the whole from some small group, which might be Nazi or might not. Consider these pointless quotes:
Someone was waving a swastika flag. Some "Diagalon" group that nobody has ever heard of before is extremely violent, might be associated with the protest, might be associated with someone who has been termed a cell, and might actually not be a joke. Someone has been harassing people. Someone allegedly started a fire in a building lobby and chained the exits. Looks like two [ctvnews.ca] on this video who may or may not have been involved with the protest - but certainly weren't everyone.
None of which shows that the protesters as a whole fit your description of Nazis, intentional Nazis or not. This is just a tarring of a protest with the actions of the worst small subgroup you could find. Reminds me of how Black Lives Matter people were tarred with the actions of arsonists and rioters.
Further, if we look at actual Nazi protests of the 1920s and 1930s, there was mass participation (example [wikipedia.org] from 1923) in the symbology and the acts of violence (like the mass violence between Nazis and Communists that led to the coup [wikipedia.org] of the Free State of Prussia), not one guy with a flag or one "cell" with a plan, a few rude people harassing someone on the streets, or a couple arsonists with firecrackers and chains.
Misuse of these labels merely to denigrate groups you don't like cheapens the words. But I imagine you've heard that before - hence, the narrative you've been pushing. Well, I guess it is a start, but you'll need to try harder.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Monday February 21 2022, @01:45PM (1 child)
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 22 2022, @10:13PM
You Nazi, and Nazi sympathizer, khallow! You know what happened to those, after the last World War?
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday February 18 2022, @08:07AM (16 children)
Well, it's clear from your post that you side with Trudeau's government. That whole fascist nazi taliban white supremacy thing is way over the top. Oddly, your list of people to kill, and your plan to kill police interfering with the blockade seem to be so much hyperbole. Did you make that up on your own, or did Justin give you a list of talking points? Can you provide us a casualty list, or at least a body count? Inquiring minds want to know how many victims of the fascist nazi taliban white supremacists there have been!
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 18 2022, @09:23AM (7 children)
Doesn't mean it's not true! Why do you think that people have reported you to the local sheriff, Runaway? Words have consequences.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 18 2022, @11:02AM (6 children)
Yes, ari, words have consequences. Are you prepared for that?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 18 2022, @07:14PM (5 children)
Not ari, asshole.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 18 2022, @08:35PM (4 children)
Yes you are, arihole.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 18 2022, @09:31PM (3 children)
No, not. I have noticed that Ari is everywhere, since he got banned. Striesand, much?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 19 2022, @03:53AM (2 children)
Well, it could also be Emmanuel Goldstein shitposting as AC.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 19 2022, @08:12AM (1 child)
War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength
Runaway is Innocent
Double-plus un-good new-speak.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 20 2022, @10:00AM
At least now, people know where he lives, and what he does, so there's that.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 18 2022, @06:23PM (7 children)
Making it up, what's that mean?
Apparently, inquiring minds are incapable of navigating a search engine.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday February 18 2022, @08:35PM (6 children)
I guess there's a point to your post. The authorities claim that two people attempted to ram a police car. The same authorities say that some small group was trying to hide within the larger protest. They have some guns that the authorities claim are illegal, or that the authorities claim were intended to be used to harm other people. And, you mention a "diagalon patch", which means nothing to me.
Bottom line is, a large popular movement is at odds with the government. Government propaganda brands the movement illegal. More news at 11:00!
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 18 2022, @09:43PM
Nazis, Runaway! Montana Nazis, like Elmer Steward Rhodes, with armories! Attacking Canada, since their endeavors in the US did not work out so well.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 18 2022, @10:06PM (2 children)
I imagine this happens to Runaway a lot.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 18 2022, @11:31PM (1 child)
Diagalon, noun, used by circulonians to describe anything that scares them, or anything they don't understand.
Finally found your patches after searching this image https://twitter.com/RCMPAlberta/status/1493414113292300295/photo/1 [twitter.com] On the floor, in front of the table, right of center, the upright ballistic(?) vest has black square with diagonal white stripe. Do they mean what you think they mean? I don't know, and neither do you.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 20 2022, @10:03AM
Just love how we all get to watch real-time Runaway education! And it's failures! So entertaining. Is there some way we can turn this into a MOOC, with peer grading?
This statement is half-right. Which half is left as an exercise for the reader.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by deimtee on Saturday February 19 2022, @05:54AM (1 child)
Sounds about as serious about politics as the FSM group is about religion. Ramen.
No problem is insoluble, but at Ksp = 2.943×10−25 Mercury Sulphide comes close.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 20 2022, @10:07AM
A diagonal including Alaska, and Florida? I think you dropped the prefix on "sane".
(Score: 1) by khallow on Friday February 18 2022, @01:27PM (5 children)
This reminds me so much of the investigation in the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks where numerous opportunities to spot the terrorists were found, but nothing had come of them. The same organizations (law enforcement, intelligence) that had failed to catch those terrorists then demanded more power to do the job they already demonstrated they wouldn't do.
If we let Trudeau get away with this, we will reward him for failure.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 18 2022, @11:43PM (4 children)
It should never have been the federal government's job to do anything about it.
The municipal police force failed to police the protest. Shitloads of thumbs up and selfies with. The provincial police force failed to police the protest despite declaring a provincial emergency. While such declarations look good on paper, they don't actually lead to results unless you've got a plan. The federal government stepped in when it was clear that the lower level admins and police forces weren't strongly interested in taking coherent, planned action.
The federal police agency (RCMP) is best described as a paramilitary organization, and if they're given a clear objective it gets done.
They're currently clearing the parliamentary zone block by block, like it's 2003 in Iraq. Slowly, but without killing the insurrectionists. Canadians, you know.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Friday February 18 2022, @11:59PM (2 children)
FTFY. Maybe they'll cut the Trudeau clown show short.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 19 2022, @12:24AM (1 child)
THEY BROUGHT THEIR CHILDREN AS HUMAN SHIELDS.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 19 2022, @01:26AM
Probably, the entire family lives in the sleeper-cab of the truck. Homeless vagrants, trucking across the land.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday February 19 2022, @12:51PM
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You just contradicted yourself BTW. Sure, those lower levels of government should have done their jobs, but once they don't it becomes the federal government's job to cover that failure.