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Journal by Runaway1956
https://www.thepostil.com/the-military-situation-in-the-ukraine/
It's a long read, for many of you. It's an even longer read, if you follow the links within the article. A truly interested person might spend an entire day clicking through links and doing his own searches. You've been warned. It's probably best not to even go there. Easier to digest the pablum offered by CNN and the rest of mainstream media.
Abandon all faith, ye who enter here.
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"I don't have to take this abuse from you -- I've got hundreds of
people waiting to abuse me."
-- Bill Murray, "Ghostbusters"
(Score: 5, Informative) by FatPhil on Saturday May 07 2022, @12:12PM (23 children)
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: -1, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Saturday May 07 2022, @01:44PM (4 children)
*yawn*
You can do better shitposting than that, Fat One.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 07 2022, @02:21PM (1 child)
FatPhil needs to show proper respect for the "Master Debater".
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 07 2022, @09:34PM
Would it be "wrong" to Spam mod someone in their own journal? Asking for a friend.
(Score: 5, Funny) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday May 07 2022, @04:39PM (1 child)
That's not shitposting. It's an entirely accurate assessment of your geopolitical stance regarding Russia and Eastern Europe at this point.
Look, I get it, you're all-in on the culture wars. But Putin isn't the cultural hero of Traditionalism-with-a-capital-T you (or Steve Bannon and pals...) think he is. If you truly think he cares about truth, justice, the American/Russian Way, and babushka's apple kompot, you're the kind of useful idiot that blunts Hanlon's Razor so hard it's only good for driving nails.
Fuck off with your whiny, pants-pissing, angry-crying armchair culture warrior horseshit.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 07 2022, @09:59PM
You were a bed wetter, weren't you? Not even going to ask when you stopped. Or, did you stop?
(Score: -1, Troll) by Reziac on Saturday May 07 2022, @02:40PM (15 children)
Have you seen interviews with Ukrainians on the ground in the war zone, via Patrick Lancaster et al.??
I'll save you the time and bother; those Ukrainian civilians all say the same things:
-- Ukrainian forces have been shelling us for eight years. Do you see the basement we're forced to survive in?
-- Who shot rockets at our hospital? It came from that way. That way is Ukraine, not Russia!
-- Ukr soldiers bombed our house and shot our neighbors.
-- Ukr artillery used our school and hospital as human shields.
-- Ukr soldiers wouldn't let us go out to get food and water.
-- Russians gave us food and water and treated the wounded.
-- Russians took the little ones and babushkas to safety.
-- No I'm not leaving, I was born here, this is my home!
-- Thank God the Russians finally came!
(Tho lately some say "Enough, I'm leaving for Russia as soon as the border is open.")
Then... let us assume that each side's propaganda shows their best and bravest.
-- Russian propaganda shows captured Ukrainian soldiers being treated fairly, and their wounded cared for.
-- Ukrainian propaganda shows captured Russian soldiers being shot in the kneecaps and groin and stabbed in the eyes, and left screaming to bleed out on the ground. (There are about 40 of these vids that I know of, and they brag on 'em, so one can presume they're real.)
-- And then there's the Azov Battalion, members of which which filmed themselves doing machine-gun drive-bys in residential neighborhoods.
Oh, Bucha? funny thing. Russian forces pulled out, Mayor makes statement, all is well. 3-4 days later Ukr forces return, and suddenly we discover numerous neatly-displayed corpses and OMG! Massacre!! Funny thing, every one of the dead has a white armband (indicating neutral or Russian-allgned) or a green MRE (Russian issue), and not a single corpse is 3-days-bloated. Word on the ground? Ukr forces shot them as collaborators.
And then there was the Ukrainian rocket that this week hit a school in Russia, two kilometers from the border. It's line-of-sight and obviously a school; they had to know what they were aiming at. One can't blame 'em for striking back, but how is this a military target?
Yep, shelling your own people and shooting dissidents is a great way to encourage separatists to return to the fold. Russia may be the invader, but Ukraine is not the good guy here either.
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 07 2022, @02:59PM (10 children)
And what, pray tell, was stopping those sufferers from up and emigrating to Mother Russia, all those oh-so-dreadful eight years?
When you begin with statements that fail such a plain and obvious smell test, your entire preaching becomes suspect. At best, you are parroting someone without stopping to think for a moment.
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 07 2022, @03:38PM (5 children)
The smell test, ehh? Well let's go back a few years and try that smell test again. What was stopping all those Ukies who hated Russia, and loved the West from emigrating to the West? Huh, wut? You don't like the same smell test applied to the other side of the fence?
(Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 07 2022, @03:43PM
That's exactly what Ukraine had been doing in terms of political alignment and the thing trying to stop them was Russia.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 07 2022, @04:04PM
You must be really, really stupid, to believe anyone can buy into this shit. No wonder you ended up serving as a putinbot.
They were not being shelled until recently, so they stayed home. When your master ordered the invasion, and shellings and bombings began, they ran away to the West in the millions. See, you refute the very point you tried to push, being too stupid even to notice that.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday May 08 2022, @03:57AM (2 children)
News flash: there's a lot of Ukrainians in the western countries these days. They started leaving when the Iron Curtain came down.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 08 2022, @07:56PM (1 child)
And Americans in Ukraine [nitter.net]
(Score: 1) by khallow on Monday May 09 2022, @02:04PM
(Score: 1, Troll) by Reziac on Sunday May 08 2022, @12:43AM (3 children)
They said why. Born there, it's their country, their home, even if the western half is trying to kill them. Would you so easily give up on and run away from your motherland?
Don't believe me, go watch for yourself. I'm sure with your excellent research skills you can find them easily enough.
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 08 2022, @02:02AM
Do you willingly choose to be a shill for Putin, or are you really that much of a fool?
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 08 2022, @10:51PM
People of my motherland were not given the choice. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_deportations_from_Latvia [wikipedia.org]
Guess Ukrainians should have applied the tried-and-true Soviet solution too, and shipped the imported Russians from Donbas out again.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_transfer_in_the_Soviet_Union#Labor_force_transfer [wikipedia.org]
The problem with that solution is, there was NO problem with Russians, nor for Russians, in Ukraine till Putin's 2014 gangster adventure. No reason for considering preventive action when there was nothing to prevent.
Russians have a long history of being shipped here, there, and elsewhere like cattle, and of flocking to bigger and richer cities whenever allowed in. Рыба ищет где глубже, а человек где лучше. Do you believe some fairy came and magically attached the first-generation progeny of transported laborers to that Donbas place?
(Score: 1) by khallow on Monday May 09 2022, @02:16PM
"IF". Where's the evidence that said western half is trying to kill them? There's a reason I'm not taking these narratives seriously. Nobody can point to actual incidents, witness reports, or other information supporting their claims. Where's the equivalent to the massacre in Bucha, for example? They have bodies, witnesses, and a lot of forensic evidence.
I expect some degree of war crimes naturally - that's just the nature of war particularly when one or both sides are losing. The Bucha massacre may be an example of that.
The problem is I have. And well, no evidence to support the assertion that Russians in Ukraine are in any significant danger from some systematic program of violence on the Ukrainian side.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 07 2022, @02:59PM
Shouldn't you be practicing your goose step for the big parade?
(Score: 2) by FatPhil on Tuesday May 10 2022, @07:02AM (2 children)
You seem to forget, or simply be ignorant of that fact, that I live in Eastern Europe, on Russia's border. There are Ukrainians in town right now who were shipped *against their will* into Russia - yup, ethnic deportations to the east, that's not a good look if you look at the history of the region, which I presume you don't because of your general level of ignorance - and who escaped due to logistical incompetence - so more like Stalin's badly organised and badly documented deportations than Hitler's far more regimented deportations - and jumped straight on buses back across the best-connected border, namely here. Which is sometimes tricky, as there are typically no Russian entry stamps on their passports, which raises huge warning signs about how long it was intended that these "guests" would remain in existence. Most that arrive here head straight back down to Ukraine again, and risk it happening again, but that's where their homeland is and they want to do their bit to support it. For some reason, how weird. They perceive a foreign military force invading their sovereign territory and carting them off in exactly the way former countrymen were shipped off to extermination camps in the past as a threat to their way of life that they want to defend. How weird indeed. I can't imagine a coward like you understanding a concept like that.
Anyway, congratulations in signing up for Putin's Sybil attack, I'm sure he appreciates it. I hope you get a nice medal.
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 2) by Reziac on Tuesday May 10 2022, @08:07AM (1 child)
No, I had never visited your homepage til five minutes ago; I see Tallinn is in Estonia. Congratulations.
So, Ukrainians being shipped from Ukraine into Russia. Pray tell, how is that happening? I see two possibilities:
1) Ukraine is getting rid of its undesirables (perhaps defined as ethnic Russians) by shipping them to Russia,
or
2) Russia has such complete control that they can round up and ship Ukrainians hither and yon (in which case the invasion seems redundant).
Since Russia has a visa waiver for Ukrainian citizens, why would they require passport stamps?
As to propaganda, while I see it coming from both sides, one side mostly exaggerates and sometimes thumps their collective chest, while the other lies egregiously and repeatedly, and cannot discuss the matter without hurling insults, which certainly does nothing to attract my support.
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 2) by FatPhil on Tuesday May 10 2022, @08:51AM
And just because there's no visa requirement doesn't mean there's no stamping of passports. Literally 95% of the passport stamps I've ever collected have been to and from countries which have had no visa requirement for my citizenship. Ever travelled to any foreign countries?
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Monday May 09 2022, @02:17PM (1 child)
Given that they couldn't even get the name of the fucking country right I'm going to conclude these guys are full of shit.
(Score: 2) by FatPhil on Tuesday May 10 2022, @08:10AM
So let it die a natural death. It will happen. Heck, even some of official translators of Putin's speech use the modern form:
http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/transcripts/67828 "My address concerns the events in Ukraine and why this is so important for us, for Russia. Of course, my message is also addressed to our compatriots in Ukraine." (the original Russian of course uses the old-fashioned nomenclature).
There's way worse with that article than using an old name once in the title (the body of the article seems to adopt the modern usage). Many orders of magnitude worse. The fact that it's still propagating verbatim *Nazi* propaganda, for example (not surprising, really, much of Putin's propaganda has been almost a carbon copy of Hitler's recently). Dudes, we've had 90 years to work out what's such messages imply, why can you still not understand it in 2020!?!?
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 4, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 07 2022, @12:20PM (28 children)
When a "viewpoint" contradicts well-known undeniable facts, it gets its deserved promotion to the "real stupid lie" rank.
For example, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igor_Girkin [wikipedia.org]
Absolutely no one, not Russians, not the man himself, is contesting the data on his citizenship, service branch, mission, and work done. A writeup that manages to totally "forget" his existence, is a putrid waste of innocent bytes.
(Score: 0, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Saturday May 07 2022, @01:46PM (22 children)
You mean mainstream media establishes all your "well known undeniable facts" for you. Whatever, go back to your pablum if you enjoy it so much.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 07 2022, @02:00PM (1 child)
Is your reading comprehension really THAT bad?
The man himself admits it; openly flaunts it, actually, this very moment even. Russian state media admit it. Separatists admit it. What is the point of your charade?
(Score: 0, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 08 2022, @01:30AM
Yes, Runaway's reading comprehension is that bad. Amazing anyone would still call comprehension that low. "comprehension". He parrots, talking points, mainly. Was a "Dittohead" back in the day. More of a masterless Minion, now, a Ronin if you will. But would like to accompany Cucker Tarlson on his testicle tanning trips!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 07 2022, @02:14PM
You can go back to your propaganda.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 07 2022, @07:16PM (18 children)
Okay, so I read the article:
That this entire conflict is a false-flag operation by the west, arming an anti-semite foreign legion to provoke Russia into decimating its own economy through resulting sanctions. That Putin is nobly preventing a cultural and linguistic genocide. That the Russian Federation is only there to help stabilize Russified areas such as Crimea and Donbas and not annex them.
Maybe so, maybe not.
But it presupposes the Russia hasn't been actively meddling in Ukraine politics for decades - poisoning leaders and *accidentally* shooting down civilian aircraft.
So let's go back to 2014. Are you saying Putin, who has allegedly rigged every election in his own country for 3 decades, didn't install his own puppet leader when the Ukrainian people decided to be friends with Europe? That that Crimean annexation was legit? That Putin's great ally, citizen Trump, is the only one to see through the west's deception? That it will all be revealed on Hunter Biden's missing laptop?
(Score: 0, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Saturday May 07 2022, @08:15PM (17 children)
Kudos. You read the article. You seem to comprehend the article. You seem to be willing and able to discuss the article. But, you stumble with
I'm not saying anything. The author says a lot, I haven't said anything addressing the article - yet.
What I have implied is, there are at least two sides to every story, often many more than two sides. I am so tired of hearing one side in all of our mainstream news.
You ask about Russia's puppet government in Ukraine? Yeah, more or less, that's what they had. And? How many puppet governments does the west sustain?
Crimean annexation legit? Well, how legit is it that the US maintains military bases around the world? How 'bout Gitmo? Cuba doesn't want us there, they want their base back. But, Cuba can't dislodge the hostile power occupying their land, so Gitmo stays.
Trump has little to do with Ukraine, Russia, or Putin. Hunter's laptop - maybe.
You've done pretty good so far. Now, put your likes and dislikes on a back burner, and let them simmer. History tells us that world events simply don't give a damn about what we like, or what we don't like. Good, bad, fair, unfair be damned.
The simple facts are, the west has gone out of it's way to provoke Russia, all the while, wearing a smiley face and proclaiming themselves to be saintly.
You simply do not just take the word of Washington, D.C. on anything. Gulf of Tonkin mean anything to you? Weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? 20 years of winning hearts and minds in Afghanistan, after all those years of winning hearts and minds in Vietnam? How 'bout the Bay of Pigs? Can't forget the first invasion of Iraq, when we sided with and aided one Moslem faction in the country, then pulled out and left them swinging.
One thing is for certain: Putin, the Russian government, nor the Russian people just woke up one morning, and went stir crazy, and decided to invade Ukraine. It has taken years of uncompromising provocation on our part to get Putin to invade. As the author suggests, we decided years ago where we were going with Ukraine, and we've stayed the course. Today's confrontation is the result of purposeful decisions by powerful people a decade ago.
And, as always, it's all about the money. The US government and a number of very wealthy people have invested a lot in toppling Russia's puppet, to install out own puppet. It's all about money. Everyone wants a payoff for their investment. The Military Industrial Complex is getting their payoff right now. It seem every other day, Biden announces another 1/2 billion in aid.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 07 2022, @08:38PM
Ewww, I feel grossed out for the person they are replying to.
"I'M JUST ASKING QUESTIONS HERE!"
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 07 2022, @11:22PM
Trump has little to do with Ukraine
Except a little attempted extortion. What's a little extortion among friends?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 07 2022, @11:39PM (1 child)
Well, how legit is it that the US maintains military bases around the world?
All of our bases have valid lease agreements.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 07 2022, @11:48PM
All your bases belong to us - VP
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 07 2022, @11:46PM (3 children)
For an ammosexual you sure don't want Ukrainians to be able to defend themselves. Why is that?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 08 2022, @12:03AM (2 children)
Citation needed. Where has OP ever said that he doesn't want to see Ukrainians defend themselves?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 08 2022, @12:49AM (1 child)
The Military Industrial Complex is getting their payoff right now. It seem every other day, Biden announces another 1/2 billion in aid.
Ukraine needs that aid.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 08 2022, @11:11PM
Question: Does all that money get laundered through the Ukraine first, or does the govt simply give it to the M-I-C... with the usual shrinkage in transit?
(Score: 1, Troll) by Reziac on Sunday May 08 2022, @12:52AM (3 children)
Without some Great Satan for all the little countries to perpetually fear, it would be tough to keep the NATO Arms Sales Gravy Train going.**
And then there's this:
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/3522/text?r=1&s=1 [congress.gov]
S.3522 - Ukraine Democracy Defense Lend-Lease Act of 2022
(Introduced 01/19/2022)
Bill introduced over a month before Russia invaded. What's with that??
** We sell arms all over the world, then when the locals use them on one another, we jump into their wars. I sense a conflict of interest.
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 08 2022, @01:59AM
The bill was introduced after Russia had amassed large numbers of troops on Ukraine's border. But it's totally a conspiracy to introduce a bill anticipating the likely event of an invasion after Putin had ordered the troop buildup. I'm guessing you were naive enough to believe Putin when he claimed the troops were only there for military exercises, and that Russia's intent was totally 100% peaceful.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday May 08 2022, @04:02AM
A mild bit of prescience probably generated by very accurate intelligence. I find it remarkable that we're supposed to be concerned rather than merely note that it's unusually useful for US legislation.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 08 2022, @03:18PM
Direct knowledge of the real depths of idiocy in the Russia's ruling gang?
A layman wants to believe the "elites" ruling his life are smart people doing smart things. Most of the "elites" do totally believe themselves that, either. Any politician with a bit of brains cannot keep to that illusion, however. While rare, such outliers do exist in that sea of morons, and it is because of them that non-moronic things do sometimes get done.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 08 2022, @11:33AM (1 child)
A single truth, tho.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 09 2022, @05:51PM
Indeed. Apparently, the runaway has yet to learn that just because it is an "alternative viewpoint" does not automatically mean it is equally as valid.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Monday May 09 2022, @02:10PM (1 child)
If you put a copy in your Journal YOU are the one saying it.
Don't be a little bitch and try to back out now, this is just getting fun!
If you get really triggered and need a SAFE SPACE feel free to immediately post a new journal to hide this one, though!
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 09 2022, @07:45PM
If you talk about a murderer, YOU ARE A MURDERER!!! If you mention a bank robber, YOU ARE A MURDERER!!! If you talk about a little bitch, YOU ARE A LITTLE BITCH!!!
(Score: 2, Informative) by khallow on Monday May 09 2022, @02:42PM
Quite legit actually. You miss first that those bases are by agreement. Guantanamo wasn't, but then the US has yet to normalize relationships with Cuba. There's no sleazy breaking of treaty involved since there were no such treaties with Castro. In comparison, Russia acknowledged by treaty the sovereignty of Ukraine - particularly its sovereignty over the Crimean peninsula.
Once again, we're seeing whataboutism arguments from you in defense of Russian shenanigans.
And this guy you found is just pure garbage. Right out of the gate, he's making mountains out of molehills (the distinction between autonomy and independence, which even the wording of the referendums, he was discussing at the time, didn't do), pretending Russia wasn't involved in the Ukrainian civil war, and telling us without the slightest evidence what Putin's actions were at the time ("against the advice of Vladimir Putin"). Sorry, Runaway, life is too short to read garbage.
(Score: 1, Troll) by Reziac on Saturday May 07 2022, @02:08PM (4 children)
Even taking the Wiki article as purest fact -- seems he was wholly doing his own thing as militia, not as official Russian business, despite being on the pro-Russian side. And he doesn't appear to have much, if anything, to do with the present conflict.
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 07 2022, @02:49PM
Is there such a thing as "militia" with a foreign citizenship and a long held commission in that foreign country's intelligence service? AFAIK every place in the world classifies such men rather differently from that.
As to the present conflict, he laid the foundation for it, then in 2014. The awards given to him by the separatist government are an official recognition he had "much to do with", aren't they?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 08 2022, @12:02PM
A militia [wikipedia.org] armed with ground-to-air missiles which require two radars for guidance and specialized computers to operate [wikipedia.org]
No doubt, they got those rockets from babushka's backyard, who sow, watered and tended them using all natural, free-range, organic subsistence farming; no sirree, the russians provided nothing to the "militia" [wikipedia.org].
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Monday May 09 2022, @02:20PM (1 child)
Well if one country has Well Regulated Militias it's Russia!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 09 2022, @07:51PM
Which is also one of the reasons we absolutely require one.
If I were a Supreme Court Justice right now, I know how I'd be arguing about militias.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 07 2022, @02:51PM (5 children)
But I thought it ridiculous that Jacques Baud was pushing blame from intelligence services on the politicians. If anything, we saw the rise of the intelligence state from 2011 on, with the politicians powerless to rein them in. Granted, Switzerland's (and Europe's) services are going to be left in a reactive position, with strategic orders coming from the US and the UK intelligence establishments. And European politicians are obeying orders from Washington and hoping for personal gain.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 07 2022, @03:11PM (2 children)
And "the media propagating hatred of the Chinese"? They've pretty much done the exact opposite, trying to deflect any criticism that Covid originated / was made worse by institutions of the Chinese state.
(Score: 2) by Reziac on Sunday May 08 2022, @12:56AM (1 child)
My cynical little voice opines that China is doing a great deal of the pot-stirring in D.C., egging on the political crowd who have said flat out that the real goal is to drain Russia dry, and if that means fighting to the last Ukrainian, oh well...
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 08 2022, @02:27AM
We have always been at war with East Asia.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Monday May 09 2022, @02:23PM (1 child)
What bad intelligence?
They damn near told us down to the minute when the invasion would occur and they were correct.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 09 2022, @07:54PM
In the case of this current foundering administration, the bad intelligence is all between their ears.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 07 2022, @02:59PM (1 child)
"Abandon all faith, ye who enter here."
So just another weekend shitpost, thanks for the explicit warning.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 07 2022, @06:22PM
Just another turd in the pool.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 07 2022, @03:37PM
You people make information warfare into a girl fight
Well, we definitely know who likes to swallow (now watch the magic)
(Score: 2, Informative) by khallow on Sunday May 08 2022, @04:24AM (32 children)
The problem here isn't whether it's a referendum of independence or autonomy (the difference is slight despite the bloviating of the author, the wording of the referendums allows for both interpretations), but whether it was staged or not like the Crimean referendum two months earlier. It follows the same MO. And of course, where's the law that one can hold a referendum and just start a civil war? These referendums are just some light decoration on a naked Russian power move.
I find it remarkable how even this recent dumb bit of military aggression by Russia has found so many useful idiots gathering to its banner. You can't get a more straightforward case of unjust war. But they want to talk instead about whether staged referendums from eight years ago were about true independence or merely a really strong sort of autonomy.
My take is that if you aren't talking about the elephants in the room, then you're wasting our time.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 08 2022, @04:53PM (17 children)
Them's not elephants.
HUGE UPDATE: Tech Giants Are Censoring, Blacklisting and Banning Posts on the “2000 Mules” Ballot Trafficking Documentary Across Social Media Platforms [thegatewaypundit.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 08 2022, @05:02PM (12 children)
'documentary'?
Conspiracy nutters financed a fan fiction and you're surprised no one wants to be associated with it.
Cool story, Ivan.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 08 2022, @05:04PM (10 children)
ipso facto
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 08 2022, @05:21PM (9 children)
A trashy infotainment website that has a header link to a 'pro trump news' website isn't credible journalism.
If even, as it claims, Fox news won't cover the story then it is horseshit.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 08 2022, @05:26PM (8 children)
Shows the power of the radical left-wing. Makes one think hard about what kind of a country we want to live in after November 8. And for the rest of our lives.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 08 2022, @06:09PM (2 children)
Ok traitor, please leave.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 08 2022, @06:14PM (1 child)
One of the problems with your themes is that pro-Americans like Republicans, are on the side of Russia/Putin. The problem is that we like freedom, not communism. Communism is your thing, not ours. We're certainly not supporting anti-American activities. You, on the other hand... the doxing the Supreme Court and judicial intimidation comes to mind.
(Score: 3, Touché) by khallow on Monday May 09 2022, @01:58PM
Then you wouldn't have anything to do with Putin. It's just not that hard, alleged western propaganda or not. Free people don't invade neighbors that haven't done anything. Free people don't poison their opposition. Free people don't have the same guy running things for over 20 years.
You claim to like freedom? Then act like you do.
A warning sign in in the journal was that it was just some guy asserting and asserting and asserting. Where's the evidence? Where's the relevance? For example, the author makes a huge amount of hay right away by claiming that the eastern Ukrainian referendums were about autonomy rather than independence while ignoring that the referendums were worded vaguely enough that it could have been either. And given that resulting civil war, it sure looks like the rebel side took it to mean independence.
And then he pretends in the same paragraph the faction wasn't pro-Russian. Well, that civil war would have ended in August 2014 otherwise. The Ukrainian army was steadily advancing through to the middle of August when suddenly they were reversed and things stabilized at a significantly larger territory for the rebel side along with reports of Russian troops and plenty of Russian gear. That Russian support indicates pro-Russian leaning to me.
Life's too short to play these games. I don't care how many years some journalist has covered war. I can tell when they're blowing smoke.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 08 2022, @10:05PM (4 children)
The BurnLootMurder riots of 2020 should also make people think hard. The lockdowns, forced vaxxes and maskings should also. Also the foolish meddling in the Ukraine.
I hope enough Americans do think hard about what kind of country they want to live in. And that they can get their votes counted.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 08 2022, @10:17PM (2 children)
That's a precision intellectual operation, compared to this administration's drooling insanity in Afghanistan.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 08 2022, @10:29PM (1 child)
Heh, I'm guessing you're being sarcastic. The exit from Afghanistan and the entry into the Ukraine are by the same team of precision intellectuals.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 08 2022, @10:35PM
Either way, it buffer-overflows our national debt. Afghanistan's more humiliating for this country — so far, anyway. Time is a harsh mistress.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday May 10 2022, @02:24AM
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 08 2022, @05:23PM
Not a "mocumentary," that's for sure.
You're probably thinking of AlGore's "Earth In The Lurch"
Or that stuff Netflix paid Obama to do. I know the checks didn't bounce, but beyond that...
(Score: 0) by adamantine on Sunday May 08 2022, @05:53PM (3 children)
The movie by the convicted felon, D'inesh D'Souza? As reported by the convicted hoaxer, GatewayPandit?
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 08 2022, @06:08PM (2 children)
Even more, proof of the limitless, unbridled, jackbooted power of the radical left-wing. Today's May 8... don't let November 8 be a day that will live in infamy.
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 08 2022, @08:06PM (1 child)
Notice that whenever you bring to light the megalomaniacal maniacs driving the newly-radicalized left wing farther left through power, oppression, payoffs, confiscations, judicial thumb-screwing, the post gets down-modded. Maybe somebody will believe them, someday, if they can keep paying off enough people and incarcerating their enemies.
"(Score: -1, Offtopic)" the seal of approval that tells us all, "Shut-up, you struck a nerve. If you don't stop, we'll silence you! We don't want anyone to hear the daylight side of the issue!"
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 10 2022, @06:46AM
Silence this AC, for the good of all.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 08 2022, @11:17PM (13 children)
military aggression by Russia
Yes, we know, Russian aggression-bad.. American aggression-good
(Score: 1) by khallow on Monday May 09 2022, @02:02PM (12 children)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 09 2022, @07:55PM (11 children)
Eh, whatever, you only confirm that American propaganda is far more effective than Russian propaganda.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday May 10 2022, @02:08AM (10 children)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 10 2022, @09:27PM (9 children)
No
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday May 11 2022, @01:33AM
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday May 11 2022, @01:32PM (7 children)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 12 2022, @12:28AM (6 children)
But it's not. You just naturally want to believe it's true because it's American. That is called "appeal to authority", to the source, not the facts, which are in dispute. You are expressing an opinion, based on faith
(Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday May 12 2022, @02:24AM (5 children)
Not much point to your buts when you are just wrong. I guess you just don't get how propaganda works.
No, that's just your nonsensical narrative. The above statement just indicates you aren't thinking about the problem or using the information sources, including propaganda believe it or not, available to you.
Here's why this assertion is wrong. Russia's dishonesty, for a glaring example, is well documented by Russian sources. You can babble on about propaganda, opinion, faith, and so on, but you're just not relevant.
It wasn't just propaganda American sources who assured us that Russia was participating in war games in Belarus, then mass invading Ukraine (including from Belarus), then suddenly talking about special military operations. Russia did that. And that particular event alone explains why Russia's propaganda is mysteriously not working so hot.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 12 2022, @03:26AM
Give them a break. Those rotating talking points are like Tourette's Syndrome, drummed into their minds and suppressing rational thought. Be compassionate... they are the victims. The rest of us? We're just collateral damage.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 12 2022, @05:35AM (3 children)
But I'm not wrong, you are.. You can carry on all you want. You are just repeating mass media bullshit. You have no idea of what was said or who is doing what.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Friday May 13 2022, @11:06PM (2 children)
And yet a week latter those baseless claims that Russia was going to invade Ukraine turned out true outright. That lie is from the lips of a Russian flunky, not mass media bullshit.
This is why you fail. Dismissing this with the pathetic song and dance you've been doing for many posts doesn't even begin to defend your arguments. Your refusal to provide a serious defense is an acknowledgment of the weakness of your argument.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 16 2022, @03:29AM (1 child)
Your "sources" are providing false information, that is your reality. You have no idea what the man said. You only have what your mass media tells you, and that is where your faith lies. But by all means, carry on.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday May 18 2022, @03:17AM
Of course, it did. It was a Russian bureaucrat lying his ass off. All we merely did was catch him in the act.
But please continue to educate us on the western propaganda menace and how relevant that is to those Russian lies.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 11 2022, @03:55PM
Runaway's AC spam in his own journal? Figures.