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Liz Truss has sacked her chancellor for carrying out the policies of Liz Truss.
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I think that I shall never see
A billboard lovely as a tree.
Indeed, unless the billboards fall
I'll never see a tree at all.
-- Ogden Nash
(Score: 2) by turgid on Friday October 14 2022, @09:15PM (10 children)
On 23rd September, Britannia Unhinged [wikipedia.org] Chancellor of the Exchequer Kwasi Kwarteng unveiled his fiscal event [theguardian.com] ("mini-budget") which sent financial markets into panic, including a rapid devaluation of Sterling and a rise in interest rates. This was a budget of Hoover-Up Economics, with tax cuts for the rich to increase the rate of flow of wealth from the poor wealth-producers to the rent-seekers, "investors" and the landed gentry. This was Day Zero, Year Zero in the People's Democratic Republic of Little England and Her Colonies.
With a bit of luck, Northern Ireland [bbc.co.uk] and Scotland [theconversation.com] will make good their escapes soon.
For now, Kami Kwazi is out but Tin Lizzie survives to fight another day.
I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent [wikipedia.org].
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 14 2022, @09:30PM (2 children)
Personally, I think the trick is working [telegraph.co.uk]
(Score: 2) by turgid on Sunday October 16 2022, @03:59PM (1 child)
Please, no! Boorish has done enough damage already.
I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent [wikipedia.org].
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 16 2022, @09:59PM
It all depends what the City of London wants. They are the real "royalty"
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 15 2022, @02:20PM (2 children)
The installation of Jeremy (vacuous narcissistic) Hunt is the first step in a soft coup to install fishy Rishi. How Kemi Badenoch didn't win the leadership contest remains a mystery, Truss won by strategic vote because of how unpopular Mordant and Sunak are.
(Score: 2) by turgid on Sunday October 16 2022, @03:58PM (1 child)
I thought Truss won because the Tory Party membership were too racist to vote for a brown person.
I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent [wikipedia.org].
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 16 2022, @07:10PM
> too racist to vote for a brown person.
Klaus Schwab is not brown!
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-plot-to-make-rishi-sunak-prime-minister [spectator.co.uk]
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 16 2022, @06:08AM (3 children)
This is a classic Aristarchus typo. I bet Turgid is a sleeper sock.
(Score: 3, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 16 2022, @07:21AM
Say goodnight runaway
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 16 2022, @10:59AM (1 child)
Not very educated, are we? Aristarchus would never make such a mistake. If aristarchus was to typo "res publics", you can be quite shure he would loose "Respubica", the Pubic Thing (to use the Old Norse) or Matter (more standard English.) Besides, like everyone else, aristarchus no longer posts here.
(Score: 0, Disagree) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 18 2022, @01:51AM
@janrinok just unban aristarchus and move forward like a good parent that bans will be handed out for violating [specific conditions] and maybe the children ari and runaway can go back to modbombing each other with their singular accounts. Supposedly. Socks seem very easy to make, so no real way to block shitty behavior. Maybe attaching usernames to mod points? Transparency and accountability are what stand a chance of bringing some users back, along with acknowledging some of the real issues the site has had over the years.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 14 2022, @10:14PM (31 children)
How if Fusty going to blame British Tory Voodoo Reagan Economic failure on American Democrats? I mean, dingdong the witch is dead, and so should be her policies.
Post Trump, "Trickle down" means something entirely different.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 15 2022, @01:31AM (30 children)
Nah, thus is just what it is like from the UK perspective watching US politics. The both sides narrative has fallen apart pretty dramatically here in the US as of late, so now the UK's drama might have enough meat to keep fusty going a few more weeks. Maybe long enough they can buy their way to a Western nation?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 15 2022, @04:13AM (2 children)
As you know, there is no "both sides"...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 15 2022, @03:55PM (1 child)
/eyeroll
Update your propaganda please.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 15 2022, @11:25PM
:-) Not propaganda when it's true, right?
No, you can be very proud of your real propaganda that you use to flog and cage yourselves...
(Score: 0, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 15 2022, @07:42AM (25 children)
Who was that Fascist Brit in V for Vendatta? Godlessness! Yes, Godlessness! America has no god, and no fuck-faced king. All we have is sad ass Runaway, and some Expat Brit hangers-on, that happen to control the place.
(Score: 2, Redundant) by janrinok on Saturday October 15 2022, @09:36AM (24 children)
You are free to leave if you don't like the site.
(Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 15 2022, @12:10PM
What "site"?
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 15 2022, @11:34PM (19 children)
I blame the offtopic attention you give just as much as the spammer himself for poisoning the forum, like throwing breadcrumbs to the pigeons
"Feed the birds, tuppence a bag..."
(Score: 1, Redundant) by janrinok on Sunday October 16 2022, @08:04AM (17 children)
This is why the site supports free speech; it enables everyone to express their own opinions. Thank you. Many others are of the opinion that the main page discussions are much improved after our changes.
Nevertheless, I hardly think that my own comments in journals are significantly detracting from the quality of the comments found therein. There is now much less need for me to moderate or criticise disruptive or off-topic comments on the main page are they have largely been removed as a result of the changes that I have just mentioned.
Perhaps if more people rejected the spamming, trolling and off-topic posts in journals the standard of discourse would improve there also? This would not require the ability to moderate. I believe that a well presented comment directed at the abuser would probably suffice. I accept that some are attracted to the journals for exactly the kind of discussions frequently seen there.
I'm sorry that you feel that the site (forum?) has been poisoned - I wish you every success in finding another site that is more to your liking. Best wishes for the future.
"Let's go fly a kite..."
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 16 2022, @03:14PM (4 children)
I love how full of yourself you are.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Sunday October 16 2022, @05:33PM (3 children)
Ah, perhaps I should have used sarcasm markings in a very bright colour for you.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 17 2022, @09:39AM (2 children)
What "free speech"?
aristarchus
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Monday October 17 2022, @10:22AM (1 child)
aristarchus wasn't banned for his views. He was banned for doxing. There is a big difference. If you are still looking for the evidence why don't you look at your own submissions. Surely you know which ones to look at?
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 17 2022, @08:25PM
I know that is your story, and you are sticking too it, but it also turns out that some very nice oligarchs have fallen from high windows of late, and that has nothing to do with Putin or the aggression against Ukraine. Lovely pretext you have there, be a shame if it turns out to only be a pretext.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 16 2022, @06:56PM
Does this "many" include anyone besides janrinok and FatPhil?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 16 2022, @09:24PM (10 children)
It doesn't. As anyone can plainly see, it just attracts more offtopic abuse... You should learn from your mistakes, but so far, you're not.
You think too highly of yourself. You are just feeding trolls more crumbs, encouraging them to came back for more. Why don't you talk with people that are on topic instead?
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Monday October 17 2022, @04:37AM (9 children)
I do - look at my comments in the main stories.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 17 2022, @04:52AM (8 children)
Gee, too bad the journals get no such respect. You're settin' a fine example there, laddie
(Score: 3, Touché) by janrinok on Monday October 17 2022, @05:36AM (7 children)
Every day some people come to the journals with one view in mind - and it is not to have an intelligent discussion.
There are are some very famous people in the world who say ridiculous things - many of whom are famous US politicians or would-be politicians. I view them as 'professional trolls' They make outrageous claims and demand a dystopian future and their sole purpose is to stir up tension and disagreement. They are trying to troll an entire nation.
Here on this site we have our own trolls - those who create journal entries with a similar aim. They know that whatever they say they will attract publicity and numerous comments. They do not attempt to change anyone's political views (I have no evidence for such a thing ever happening on the internet!) but often repeat something that the 'professional trolls' have raised albeit perhaps add a bit of a twist to it. Other community members gather to comment on such stories - knowing that they will disagree with the person responsible for the journal. This is reflected in the low quality of many of their comments. Often such comments do not initiate an intelligent discussion but degenerate into simple political mud slinging or personal attacks against the journal creator or other commentators.
If people know that they will not agree with the content of the journal or the person behind it, why do they keep visiting their journals repeatedly? Do they expect to change others' views? I doubt it. Yet they continue to 'feed the trolls' for some reason. And this, it appears, is deemed as being acceptable.
I am a community member. I am perfectly entitled to express my views in my comments. Yet you seem to think that I should be chastised for doing so, when many other commentators in the journals do so repeatedly over an extended period of time. Why are you focusing on my comments rather than addressing all those who express their's in these journals? The appropriate way of doing so is to moderate my comments and adjust your thresholds so that they do not bother you - not to remove somebody's right to express themselves. Put me in your foes list. But you have chosen to remain as AC which prevents you from using this site to its full potential. That is your choice and right to do so. Do you expect us to redesign the site to suit your particular choices and circumstances?
Don't expect everyone to do as you wish simply so that you can remain anonymous and thereby avoid whatever problems those whom you imagine have accounts and email addresses must face.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 17 2022, @09:43AM (1 child)
I, just, can't, stop, laughing.
Sure you are, Janrinok the Censor. Just another average soylentil, with opinions on "low quality" comments, and the ability to ban those what makes 'em.
(Score: 3, Touché) by janrinok on Monday October 17 2022, @11:43AM
I may have the 'ability' to ban people (but only with a consensus amongst the administrators) - yet only one such person has ever been banned. We did it quite publicly, I think you may have noticed it.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 17 2022, @06:37PM (4 children)
Precisely as you are doing..
https://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?noupdate=1&sid=51976&page=1&cid=1276963#commentwrap [soylentnews.org]
Because you, for one, are setting the example. Now you project... You just can't stop...
And you're paranoid. Nobody is questioning your entitlements. I only hold admins to a higher standard. I guess I expect too much. Oh well, by all means... Just expect more reminders that you are part of the problem. Actually I think you enjoy it.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Tuesday October 18 2022, @04:19AM (3 children)
Are you holding yourself to this higher standard? Why not expect that standard from everybody? Admins are simply giving some of their time to manage the site on behalf of community. When we are making comments we are doing so as members of that community.
Anyone can volunteer to assist in the site management but doing so does NOT remove their right to comment with their own personal opinions in discussions. People have criticised admins who make comments since the site began. Giving my time freely to support the site does not mean that I no longer wish to participate in the discussions on the site.
If an admin is addressing the community on an administrative matter we usually do so in a Meta story which will be released on the main page. We make the way we manage this site a public matter and the community are asked for their views when major decisions are being made.
I also happen to hold the view that ignoring Trolls does not make them go away. We have tried that in the past for extended periods and it makes not one bit of difference. However, if the community made it clear that those who disrupt the site are unwelcome they might, just might, move on.
Once a troll has made a statement he has usually achieved his aim. He has introduced a contentious, and often extreme, divisive, or polarising, point of discussion and he can step back and watch the argument continue. How does ignoring his initial action change any of that? And nowhere is this more apparent than in certain journals.
You are free to express your opinions. I will, of course, hold your reminders to a higher standard than anyone else's just so that you don't appear to be trolling.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 18 2022, @04:32AM (2 children)
Not until you give attention. That is his aim.
Oh please! Don't be such a pansy!
Not if he is ignored
There will be no argument. The regular discussion will continue around the troll.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Tuesday October 18 2022, @04:37AM (1 child)
You are living in a dream world - just look at the journals.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 20 2022, @08:49PM
Hives of scum and villainy! Low class disrupters! Free peaches are just so, so, messy! Someone needed to take control, and janrinok stepped up and did what had to be done! Now only the journals are cesspools of free thought and open debate, the front page barely garners any comments at all. Soon, jan will find a way to censor the journals as well, a kind of a "Final Solution" to the AC question. Then, at long last, SoylentNews will run on time. Who says fascism is a bad thing?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 17 2022, @01:18AM (2 children)
With posts like this one [soylentnews.org]:
on the front page, this seems like I site I absolutely should leave.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 17 2022, @01:45AM (1 child)
You're kvetching about a post sitting at -1.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Monday October 17 2022, @05:40AM
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 16 2022, @01:29AM
Compared to UK, American politics is pure trailer trash, with very little comic relief
(Score: -1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 15 2022, @03:02PM (1 child)
It has been interesting seeing EF try and be a halfway decent community member. You can still feel his racist vibes, but whoo doggy if he isn't melting down in runaways safe space. #Flowers4Algernon
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 15 2022, @08:31PM
EF? I just assumed that HammeredAss was another Runaway sockpuppet.
SoylentNews ist tot.
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 15 2022, @10:20PM (2 children)
Isn't very informative:
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 16 2022, @12:11AM (1 child)
At one level that is perfectly clear and provides all the necessary information a user needs. You (and anyone else with a sane setup) cannot establish a secure connection to that site because the response is missing a required TLS feature. Because that required feature is missing, the authenticity of their PKIX response could not be verified. There is nothing you can do about it other than moving on or telling the website owner so they can fix it.
For a technical explanation, you need to examine the certificate of that site. That certificate is a Let's Encrypt certificate. If you look carefully, you'll notice that it contains an X.509v3 feature extension. That particular extension enables a hard requirement on the server providing a valid, time-stamped, countersigned, Transport-Layer Security Certificate Status Request response. However, the server doesn't provide any response to that TLS feature extension even when explicitly requested. Ergo, the certificate (PKIX) says there is a required feature extension for the TLS handshake (REQUIRED_TLS_FEATURE) but that it is not there (MISSING) and that error (ERROR) is preventing a secure connection (secured connection failed) because they cannot verify the authenticity of the data in the handshake. It then rightly tells you that there is literally nothing you should do to fix it on your end, short of contacting the website owners.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 16 2022, @03:11AM
Definitely.
And some entity that can't properly configure a web server is probably not one that I'd put much faith in.
Unsurprising, given the source.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Gaaark on Saturday October 15 2022, @11:25PM (2 children)
Liz Truss has made a very brave decision...
...oh, God!
--- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. ---Gaaark 2.0 ---
(Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 16 2022, @11:12AM (1 child)
Sorry, that was a courageous decision. And it's from Yes, minister [wikiquote.org]
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Sunday October 16 2022, @01:41PM
Sorry: I'm too old to remember correctly. Good show, bad memory.
Now, Bernard: take away Anonymous Cowards key and only allow him access at MY command!
--- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. ---Gaaark 2.0 ---