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The National Conservatives had a rally in London this week. I wanted to write something, but the Guardian summary will suffice.
It's barely disguised now.
From the fine article:
Perhaps the speech most reported on was by the Tory backbencher Miriam Cates, who part-channelled Viktor Orbán and Giorgia Meloni in describing low birthrates as an existential crisis for the west. The populist leaders of Hungary and Italy are explicit in wanting more domestic-born children as against immigrants, a point Cates did not make, although it was arguably implicit. More striking still was her argument that the lack of babies was down to “cultural Marxism that is systematically destroying our children’s souls”.
This was also the conference where Jacob Rees-Mogg (a member of the current UK government) spoke and admitted that recent changes to electoral law in England and Wales were an attempt at gerrymandering, to disenfranchise people who might vote for parties other than his, but that it had backfired. The Conservatives appear to have disenfranchised many of their own voters.
It's in plain sight now. These are National Conservatives, the NatCs.
There is not much more to be said.
Update: Judging by the discourse below, there certainly is more to be said. Once again I will not say it myself. Instead I'll post a link to SNP MP Mhairi Black's f-word speech given to Parliament last year.
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 17, @11:38PM (15 children)
> more domestic-born children as against immigrants
Lower birthrates meant cheaper property for the boomers grandchildren. Mass immigration was never part of the deal.
> an attempt at gerrymandering
Really? [archive.is]
> The Conservatives appear to have disenfranchised many of their own voters.
Perhaps they should have tried governing as conservatives?
> These are National Conservatives, the NatCs.
Not a patch on the Scottish National Socialists eh? [bbc.co.uk]
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 18, @12:06AM (10 children)
fascism bad
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 18, @12:33AM (2 children)
It's good for you. Otherwise you'll be destroyed by your own stupid impulses and ideas.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 18, @01:35AM
So, very dumb :^|
(Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 18, @02:23AM
Ok Elon /eyeroll
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 18, @10:43AM (6 children)
I'm sure many of the pro-limited-government, anti-corporatist speakers at these conferences would agree.
There's a collection of videos from these events here: https://youtube.com/@NationalConservatism/videos [youtube.com]
Since there's nothing from turgid, my criticism (from scanning the video titles) would be that religion and politics should be separate. That is, after all, a common centrist and economic right wing criticism of the left. That their beliefs constitute a gnostic religion. Personally, I suspect Tom Sowell may have been more accurate in having characterised and diagnosed this vacuous elitist narcissism. [wikipedia.org]
Must be confusing to some looking at that video list how international civic nationalism is? Don't worry, your globalist anointed visionaries will be along to smear it as autarky in due course.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 18, @03:26PM (5 children)
"would be that religion and politics should be separate. "
It is a great idea, but as always conservatives are lying hypocrites that project their own faults on to others. Pretty sickening how you try to act the martyr. Can't speak to your autarky, is that a real word?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 18, @04:06PM (4 children)
Isn't it unbearable how "other people are just not as bright or as compassionate" [youtube.com] as you are?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 18, @08:26PM (3 children)
Say goodnite runaway
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 18, @09:53PM (2 children)
I would but our good friend Runaway is just getting started. I'm a Liberal or what has become known as a Classical Liberal thanks to the illiberal Left. The rhetoric from the right is building, if they fell for the Left's dialectical trick who is to blame?
https://youtube.com/watch?v=0zn5Ye0sATQ [youtube.com]
People who can't calibrate their response using some awareness of the spat between Edmund Burke and Tom Payne should go read a book instead.
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 19, @12:34AM (1 child)
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 19, @03:28AM
Using chatgpt to get fancy soundin words too!
(Score: 2) by turgid on Thursday May 18, @05:36PM (1 child)
Those Scottish ones are Internationalist Social Democrats.
Here's what one of them had to say a few months ago [youtube.com].
There are many great reasons why many of us Scots want independence from the UK.
I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent [wikipedia.org].
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 18, @07:51PM
Come on pilgrim [wikipedia.org] -- Tom Nairn was a Nationalist and a Socialist.
(Score: 3, Touché) by DeathMonkey on Thursday May 18, @06:28PM (1 child)
Voting to take your own rights away because you think it'll hurt some other even more is about as on-brand for "governing conservative" as it gets!
(Score: 1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 18, @10:39PM
The fall in voter turnout wasn't due to the bill. Tory Wets ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wets_and_dries [wikipedia.org] ) are the UK equivalent of the RINO. If there's no difference between the parties, why bother voting at all?
To understand politics is to understand Mogg's comment was a sideswipe at (author of the Elections Act 2022) Kemi Badenoch over her gutting of his Retained EU Law Bill.
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 18, @01:38AM (24 children)
Matthew 19:17 [biblegateway.com]
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everything else is an unholy fabrication
(Score: 5, Interesting) by nostyle on Thursday May 18, @03:34AM (23 children)
I think this is important enough to expand a bit for those who do not see the oblique intent.
Some say that babies born in a particular country excel babies born in other countries. This is a lie.
Some say that babies born with a particular ethnic heritage excel babies born in others. This is a lie.
Some say that babies born with a particular economic circumstance excel babies born in others. This is a lie.
The tell is that they assert the "goodness" of a certain subset of humans, and they demonize the rest - preparing you to act as an oppressor toward those they claim are not in this preferred subset. It is all a lie.
The truth is that no one is "good" but God. The rest of us all do the best we can with the hand we are dealt, but we are better off if we follow some commonly accepted commandments.
Most people have sense enough to recognize good when they see it. Nobody has a monopoly on nor an infallible propensity for "good".
--
-Bruce Hornsby, Look Out Any Window
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 18, @04:32AM
Nostyle nails it again. Once again.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday May 18, @07:50AM (21 children)
The obvious rebuttal is infrastructure. "Excel" doesn't mean "good". It means "To do or be better than; surpass." I propose that well-designed infrastructure can indeed make us better people surpassing in a very real sense who we would be without it. The key example here from your point of view is religious infrastructure. Do you think we would be better people, for example, if the teachings of Jesus Christ had disappeared completely a couple millennia ago? How could someone be saved without that knowledge or the living examples of fellow Christians?
For those who aren't so religious, there are many examples such as public sanitation that makes us healthier, education and economic systems that allows us all greater opportunities, legal systems that help imperfectly to make the world a fairer place for the weak, and communication systems that allow us to talk in real time over vast distances and see things that we wouldn't otherwise ever see.
It is in these ways that we can excel.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 18, @12:00PM
Nostyle generally argues in good faith, as you point out he's off here. Kosher rules were vitally important for people living in the Middle Eastern deserts prior to the common availability of refrigeration. To take a biblical passage promoting religious rules intended to promote social well being and start claiming it as some original sin of negative-eugenics is a Stretch Armstrong style contortion.
The next step in zero-sum stupidity would be to compare positive public health and social policies to the Holocaust. Celebrate diabetes, restrict excercise and force feed your child candy so they grow up to fight "fascism" or something... [kym-cdn.com] If your child grows into adulthood with physical and mental abilities sufficient to hold down a job, they deprive an immigrant of opportunity. Become a hero of the "revolution" today! [wikipedia.org]
(Score: 3, Interesting) by nostyle on Thursday May 18, @02:53PM (15 children)
Is there any simple explanation that Khallow cannot misconstrue?
Let me try once more to be lucid.
Those who would promote the false and divisive teachings of nationalism, racism and economic entitlement inevitably reveal themselves and their agendas by attempting to seduce you into believing there is some inherent superiority of one sort of human over another. This is how you can recognize them and haply avoid the mayhem they aim to incite. Ignore this at your peril.
Many are the paths to excellence. They are not the sole property of any particular group of humans.
--
-Bee Gees
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 18, @03:39PM (6 children)
Which is what anti-Semites throughout history accused the Jews of doing. [wikipedia.org]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 18, @05:09PM (5 children)
...and Jesus (a Jew) tried to make it clear in that scripture that only God was "good", and that the rest of us can only assess our "goodness" by our adherence to the commandments - so Jews were not inherently superior.
The truth implied by the question "Why do you call me good?" is that "you" - or whoever makes a claim of "goodness" - have a divisive agenda.
Beyond this, anti-Semites err by imputing such an agenda to all Jews without exception, so there is plenty of blame to go around.
(Score: 2) by turgid on Thursday May 18, @05:45PM (3 children)
The UK government has an article on antisemitism worth reading [www.gov.uk].
I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent [wikipedia.org].
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 18, @08:18PM (2 children)
Here's Melanie Phillips writing about antisemitism almost 20 years ago and 10 years after departing her full time Guardian job. [theguardian.com]
Here is her speech at the National Conservative Conference the other day. [youtube.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 18, @08:28PM (1 child)
Watch for a cease & desist from IMAX
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 18, @09:39PM
That'll be for this earlier interview where we get the Left's cultural relativism and bigotry of low expectations within the first 20 minutes. Nothing changed, socialists are sociopaths and liberals need to Scott Adams them.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=asQ8KFrZY84 [youtube.com]
Thanks modsquad!
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Freeman on Thursday May 18, @09:04PM
Jesus was making the point that God is the only one that is inherently good. Interestingly enough this was the response he gave to the rich young man that came and asked him what he must do to be saved. Jesus told him to sell all that he had and to follow Him. I.E. He would have been a disciple, if he had followed Jesus. Instead, he left saddened, because he was very wealthy. Jesus then went on to lament the fact that it would be very difficult for a rich man to be saved. At which the disciples were surprised.
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday May 18, @10:10PM (7 children)
Perhaps the problem was that the explanation was in error not that it was possible to misconstrue?
Seems like my observation shows a different side of your explanation.
My take is that nationalism, racism, and economic entitlement are reactionary ideologies to deeper problems that one ignores at one's even greater peril. I believe building and maintaining useful infrastructure is one of those greater problems, and I think it's telling that most totalitarian governments invested a great deal in infrastructure building theater - the make the trains run on time thing. It was a chance for them to pretend to be better than their predecessors at solving these problems.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 19, @12:02AM (6 children)
18 months of building back better with the Bipartisan Infrastructure Bill and that's what you're thinking? I thought Biden might beat Carter and Buchanan for most inept president in history but not sucking more than Æthelred the Unready who's son was also a cnut.
The current "Left" would champion Croly's progressive era Syndicalism that lead to Teddy's Corporatist New Deal while unironically screeching "fascist" at all opposition. They're not reactionaries, they're uneducated, arrogant morons!
(Score: 1) by khallow on Friday May 19, @12:16AM (2 children)
Yes. For a glaring historical example, when the Nazis took over the Channel Islands they built massive defensive structures on the island (I heard this was one of the largest uses of concrete in the Nazi empire). They ended up being a waste of resources since it didn't take much to bottle up the Germans there and the Allied side didn't need the islands.
Awesome military infrastructure that ended contributing to Nazi Germany's eventual defeat.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 19, @02:12AM (1 child)
The Germans built hundreds of defensive structures because those islands were militarily indefensible using commonly deployed WW2 technology.
Why would a modern anarcho-tyranny [wikipedia.org] want to improve actual infrastructure [nationalinterest.org] or have those proverbial trains run on time?
(Score: 1) by khallow on Monday May 22, @02:31AM
Turns out it wasn't worth making those islands militarily defensible.
Why ask me? I notice you actually linked to the managerial state [wikipedia.org] not something related to "anarcho-tyranny" (which would have an absence of hierarchy, right?).
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 19, @06:36AM (2 children)
Yeesh, anything to distract from the GOP openly embracing fascism eh? Denial worked for decades, got reasonable people to hope that Republicans would mellow out. Turns out tolerance is not the answer to white supremacists, so call out those dog whistles. Do not let the degenerate scum go unchallenged as they push their hatred and cry like babies when anyone dares call them out.
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 19, @11:12AM (1 child)
Why should we expect you people, who struggle with definitions for basic, human essentialist words like "man" and "woman", to have any idea what Fascism is?
If you accuse classic British comedic understatement of fascism, you reduce fascism to a joke. If you accuse nationalism of fascism, you have to explain why most nations rejected fascism and fought against it. Also why internationalist regimes killed more people. The UK is on the Celsius scale and most people attacking this conference and throwing the word "fascist" around don't have the IQ to boil water.
Do you know the boiling point of water is 100°C?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 19, @03:04PM
We get it, you enjoy boiling small animals alive you psychopath!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 19, @05:44AM (3 children)
*puke*
Who the hell do you think makes the "infrastructure", you big dummy?!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 19, @06:24AM (1 child)
Why hard working bootstrapping entrepreneurs that is who. No need for gubmint nonsense! Just have the stable geniuses, who happen to be extremely wealthy, do whatever they want. Shirley that will result in the greatest benefit to humanity.
(Score: 2) by turgid on Saturday May 20, @09:06AM
Yes, they will even give you a job with a bed in the office [businessinsider.com] so they can wake you up in the middle of the night as soon as they get an idea that needs some productivity.
I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent [wikipedia.org].
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday May 20, @12:08PM
Why would it matter who makes the infrastructure? And why would my observation that well-designed infrastructure can make us better somehow indicate ignorance of who makes that infrastructure?
At some point, perhaps it would be better to actually discuss what I say rather than build some imaginary straw man?
(Score: 2, Insightful) by khallow on Thursday May 18, @03:12AM (6 children)
Don't you love problems that fix themselves? All you need to be is less hypocritical and more realistic than them. It's a pretty low bar.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 18, @08:29PM (5 children)
(Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday May 18, @09:30PM (4 children)
You sound like you give at least a tiny squirt about being hypocrites. I wonder if there are any more people like you?
It's funny how many of these narratives boil down to the idea that the bad guy is the only player on the field.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 20, @12:55AM (3 children)
Funny how you evade responsibility for supporting the GOP, and now that the "bad guy" label is impossible to argue with you're switching to fustakrakich's "why care about the baddies?"
Cuz they're literal Nazis now ya daft punk! If a political party does not kick out members waving Nazi, or the earlier Confederate, flag then the party becomes home to Nazi slavers. You've been expending a lot of effort to stay aligned with them, maybe it is easier to stop defending them and stick to your libertarian ideals?
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday May 20, @02:07AM (2 children)
I wasn't the one who said "You're not describing people who give the tiniest squirt about being hypocrites." It's not relevant how little those people care about being hypocrites. What's relevant is how everyone else cares about them being hypocrites. Sounds like you care a great deal, and I bet you're in the majority here.
Nazi slavers? Who are they and who are they enslaving? I think it's interesting how we have all this bombastic language backed by zero proof that there's anything to the accusations. You won't be able to fight real Nazis by being as deluded.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 22, @04:09PM (1 child)
Confederate flag wavers are wannabe slavers, and the GOP has had numerous Nazi flags at their events along with Nazi symbolism as official decoration. You can bury your head in the sand all you want but those not in your cult can clearly see what you support. You are free to stop defending fascists at any time, and you can even switch to defending victims of fascism. You do you babe.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Monday May 22, @10:02PM
Sorry, but no.
Then you should be able to show evidence for that, right? My take is that if that were true, then I wouldn't be hearing about this from an AC on the internet.
The problem is that what you can "clearly see" isn't real.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Thursday May 18, @10:45AM (45 children)
Britain for Brits, Scotland for Scots, Germany for Germans, China for Chinese, etc ad nauseum. Progressives mock the 'Great Replacement' conspiracy theory, then they publish shit suggesting that maybe the Euros need replacing. In effect, "There are too many white poeple in the world, we need to import people who aren't white. If we can't replace white people, we at least need to outnumber them, even in their own homes!"
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 18, @03:29PM
Get fucked racist dirtbag.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 18, @05:40PM (3 children)
So America for Native Americans? Go back to Europe white boi!
(Score: 2) by Freeman on Thursday May 18, @09:07PM
They lost all of those wars. At least I certainly can't recall one where they won. Battles sure, but not wars.
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: -1, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Thursday May 18, @09:31PM (1 child)
Fine with me. And, you've obviously forgotten that some of my four bears were Native Americans. My wife is enough Native American, she could join the tribe. Also, my stepsons, and my sons. I'm kinda adopted along with them, whether I have enough native blood of my own, or not. Yeah, go ahead, take your pink ass back to Europe.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 22, @04:02PM
For your sake, and the legacy of your four bears, I do hope the tribe does not get your Soylent News post history.
(Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 18, @06:19PM
Hot take from the resident white supremacist. What next, a program to purify the citizenry?
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 18, @06:26PM (1 child)
You do realize you're arguing for replacing white US-ians with brown and red people when you take a nativist stance, right?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 18, @06:39PM
That's asking a bit much of the dude.
(Score: 3, Funny) by Tork on Thursday May 18, @08:35PM (30 children)
So... does it scare you that the non-white dude that you imagine is coming to replace you will have super easy access to all sorts of weaponry?
Slashdolt Logic: "25 year old jokes about sharks and lasers are +5, Funny." 💩
(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Thursday May 18, @09:12PM (27 children)
This may blow your mind, but non-white dudes with weapons are generally more respectful of everyone around them, than are the unarmed motormouths constantly calling me a nazi/fascist/hitleryouth/whitesupremacist/etc ad nauseum. It kinda goes with the territory, but most of you wouldn't understand that.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 4, Funny) by Tork on Thursday May 18, @09:17PM (25 children)
Slashdolt Logic: "25 year old jokes about sharks and lasers are +5, Funny." 💩
(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Thursday May 18, @09:28PM (24 children)
Are you a member of Redneck Revolt? https://indyweek.com/news/hate-racists-love-assault-rifles-meet-redneck-revolt/ [indyweek.com] https://www.counterextremism.com/supremacy/redneck-revolt [counterextremism.com]
Yes, I do like the idea of the persecutors being armed. It's much easier to mount a legal defense, when forced to defend myself against them. Arm them to the teeth, load them for bear, and be sure that they wear some identifiable insignia. But, as I've already pointed out, don't be surprised that with time and experience, those 'rednecks' carrying weapons mellow out, and stop inciting shit.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 3, Funny) by Tork on Thursday May 18, @09:50PM (20 children)
Slashdolt Logic: "25 year old jokes about sharks and lasers are +5, Funny." 💩
(Score: 0, Flamebait) by Runaway1956 on Thursday May 18, @11:01PM (7 children)
We have a name for people who point guns at other people: criminal idiots. Children grow up learning the litany, "No gun is EVER unloaded, NEVER point a gun at anything you don't intend to shoot, NEVER touch the trigger until you intend to shoot".
Identifiable insignia for Redneck Revolt seems to consist of a red bandanna and more general ANTIFA slogans and crap. It's always good to know who the enemy is.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 5, Funny) by Tork on Thursday May 18, @11:43PM (6 children)
So... in a single post you're proposing general gun-safety and professing that political opponents of yours wear targets so you can easily shoot them. You accidentally made my next point for me. Heh I've got all this spare time, now.
Slashdolt Logic: "25 year old jokes about sharks and lasers are +5, Funny." 💩
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 19, @02:40AM (2 children)
In 1967, Polish mercenary Rafal Ganowicz was asked what it felt like to take a human life. He replied, "I wouldn't know, I've only ever killed Communists".
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 19, @03:08PM (1 child)
Funaway modding up his own adhom shit posts may be the saddest part of Soylent News. Gotta love punchlines dehumanizing political opponents directly tied with murder, not even implied.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 19, @07:32PM
You don't get it. [kym-cdn.com]
(Score: 0, Flamebait) by Runaway1956 on Friday May 19, @01:41PM (2 children)
OK, cool. Don't wear a uniform of any kind. Skulk around like a spy. There are worse fates than being shot reserved for spies.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 19, @07:09PM
You first comrade!
^ by the law of rightwing projection
(Score: 3, Touché) by Tork on Friday May 19, @08:27PM
Slashdolt Logic: "25 year old jokes about sharks and lasers are +5, Funny." 💩
(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Thursday May 18, @11:05PM (11 children)
Oh, imagine this scenario. You walk into a room, to find Jesus Christ, Mohammed, Hare Krishna, Zeus, Thor, and that little fat guy sitting around a table. Collectively, they tell you that the gun on the table is unloaded, and that you should put it in your pocket. So, you pick it up, put it in your pocket, and turn to face the assembly. And, you are told, "You fail, asshole, go to hell!" You mumble, "Huh, what?" And you're told, "You didn't clear the weapon before pocketing it!"
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 20, @12:32PM (10 children)
You can't trust god these days? Who can you trust?
(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Saturday May 20, @07:38PM (9 children)
Sorry if that whooshed you. TRUST NO ONE!! Don't even trust yourself. Double check that weapon from time to time, and make sure you didn't absent mindedly load it up, or, that your spouse didn't load it for you, or the fekkin' leper khans are messing with you. Then remember, even after you've cleared the weapon for the third time in a row, THERE ARE NO EMPTY WEAPONS!!
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 3, Touché) by Tork on Sunday May 21, @07:57PM (8 children)
... and you want these peeps to have guns the cops fear.
Slashdolt Logic: "25 year old jokes about sharks and lasers are +5, Funny." 💩
(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Sunday May 21, @09:16PM (7 children)
Well, yes, as a matter of fact, I do. Of course, there's a glaring problem with you statement. Guns the cops fear? Most of that is bullshit. Real cops don't shy away when a bad guy shows a weapon, unlike the cunts at Uvalde. The cop on the beat doesn't look at the weapon the bad guy has, before deciding whether to beat a hasty retreat, or to press ahead with an arrest. The 'much feared' AR-15 is no more, and no less, dangerous than any semi-auto of similar caliber. The propaganda just keeps on coming. (In the same vein, those "cop killer bullets" were teflon coated - and they didn't penetrate body armor any better or any worse than other bullets. Those bullets DO penetrate windshields better than any other bullets, but they don't penetrate armor.)
Back to whether people I like should be armed or not: HELL YES they should be armed. The constitution wasn't written for people I like. It wasn't written for people I don't like. It was written for ALL AMERICANS. That goes right along with, we have a "bill of rights", not a "bill of needs" or "bill of necessities" or whatever the hell people are talking about when they say "you don't really NEED an AR-15".
Now do you see? I don't want to deprive the Redneck Revenge people of the right to bear arms. Why would you want to deprive me of that right?
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 21, @09:27PM (2 children)
You've repeatedly expressed a desire to shoot a massive number of people. According to you all that's keeping us safe from you is that you haven't encountered a gun-free zone sign, yet.
(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Monday May 22, @12:17AM (1 child)
You'll need citations that I want to shoot anyone. Take your time, we have lots of time.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 22, @07:26AM
Kay. There’s one in this journal entry. You may use your lots of time to study your comments in this article.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Tork on Sunday May 21, @11:28PM (2 children)
Unfortunately we are talking about real cops. Frankly you should know better, you're proposing an arms race with law enforcement. Just the anti-big-gov't side of you, provided it ever actually existed, should have you pondering this.
Not guilty.
Slashdolt Logic: "25 year old jokes about sharks and lasers are +5, Funny." 💩
(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Monday May 22, @12:26AM (1 child)
Arms race? Lemme think a moment. Those cities and states that outlaw "assault weapons" never outlaw them for cops, do they? How about jurisdictions that outlaw body armor? Are cops included? Do cops have access to full auto weapons? Yes they do, virtually any police department can submit paperwork for such a weapon, but civilians cannot. How about grenades? Don't let their non-technical jargon get in the way - a "flash-bang" is a grenade. I don't know if any police departments have fragmentation grenades, maybe, maybe not, but those concussion grenades are more than enough. How 'bout those armored personnel carriers? Cops can have them - do you think the DoD will sell me one? Probably not, but they literally GIVE THEM to police departments.
Cops are all the time demonstrating "new technology". I watched a video, where the cops can wrap a super-duty zip tie thingy around your tires, and bring you to a screeching halt. They have demonstrated the ability to zap a car electronically, to kill the ignition. They are begging for remote-off switches in newer cars. Basically, everything that a hacker can dream of, the cops want it, and oftentimes get it.
Arms race.
This is the United States. The power was supposed to belong to the people.
And, don't forget Mao. Political power grows from the barrel of a gun. Cops have too much power already, and the playing field needs leveling.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 22, @02:13PM
"This is the United States. The power was supposed to belong to the people.
And, don't forget Mao. Political power grows from the barrel of a gun."
Don't forget Hitler or the numerous US racists that helped inspire him! Political power does not flow from a gun either, it flows from people. Guns are often used to convince people, but no one should have such an unhealthy obsession with them.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 22, @02:43PM
Ignorant moron, now with guns!
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 18, @10:53PM (2 children)
You didn't answer his question. He's not asking if you think you should be armed.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 19, @01:09AM (1 child)
Aw, c'mon, a troll mod? I posted this as a sarcastic quip. Have a sense of humor! Please don't throw a troll mod at my other sarcastic reply in this thread, too.
Being serious for a moment, I really despise some of Runaway's political views, like what he's posted in this thread. Other times, he posts some reasonable comments, especially when he's not discussing political issues. I don't despise him personally, not at all. I just wish he'd abandon his screwed up views.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 20, @07:39PM
Silly boi, there are no non-political issues.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 18, @11:33PM
If you don't want to be called a racist, don't post racist crap. This isn't difficult to figure out.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 19, @12:23PM (1 child)
"There are too many white people in the world, we need to import people who aren't white."
Where are you going to import them from? Mars?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 20, @07:41PM
Have you looked at Mexico? Argentina? Panama? Lotsa people ain't white. Not even white people are very white, when you really look at them.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by dalek on Thursday May 18, @11:42PM (4 children)
Why would you judge people by their race or the color of their skin? That's stupid. All people are created equal. We should judge people by the quality of their character, not by race or skin color.
It's one thing to say that it's a problem if a country has a shrinking population. That's an issue because it probably has a negative impact on the economy. It's reasonable to not want your country's population to shrink.
But why would you care the proportion of white children in your country compared to other races? Why is that even relevant? There's no reason that you should want white children any more or any less than children of any other race. That's asinine.
Daleks believe they are the supreme race of the universe. Your post is effectively using the same logic as if you said that rejecting the Dalek belief that they are the supreme race of the universe is equivalent to saying that Daleks are an inferior race. That's not a reasonable statement, and it's not logical. A person who believes that all races are created equal would also reject the Dalek belief that they are the supreme race of the universe.
By your logic, rejecting one racist ideology means that you must accept the opposite racist ideology. There's literally no room in your illogical view of the world to not be racist.
Once people become citizens, it's every bit as much their country as it is yours. Absolutely nobody is saying that white people must be outnumbered. They are rejecting the asinine position that it's somehow a problem if white people happened to be outnumbered at some point in the future. The fact that you can't seem to understand this distinction suggests that you are seriously lacking in comprehension skills.
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest just whinge about SN.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 19, @01:38PM (3 children)
A: You haven't been paying attention, dalek. Martin Luther King's dream died. Today, the vocal black communities don't want equality, they want something they call "equity", and they'll let us know what is equitable.
B: Now, that shrinking population? The United States has spent ~50 years since Roe v Wade, actively killing off black and white Americans, actively reducing the population, while at the same time, the progressive party has been actively encouraging immigration of mostly brown people from around the world.
Tell me again that the replacement conspiracy theory is only a conspiracy theory. We have fallen below replacement level fertility, and the outsiders are racing to the borders to replace us.
Also, tell me, why you must paint the picture in race terms? If the exact same thing happened in Germany, with the progressive government actively reducing the brunette population with blonde headed people from around the world, would you call that racism?
If an empress were killing off the emperor's heirs, so that her own offspring could inherit the empire, would you call that racism?
You're smarter than the average idiot who parrots the mainstream media propaganda. Not everything in life is racist. Greed is greed, with or without racism being involved. Almost everyone in the world wants what US citizens have, and the lib/dem/progressive party wants to help them take it from us. Race hardly matters.
Oh yeah - two parts to my post. Do ya see how the two tie together? Those lib/dem/progressives proclaim themselves to be the champions of the black folk, right? But, those are the very people helping to suppress the fertility of black folk, so they might import more outsiders to replace the black folk.
Progressives champion no one. They'll use you to their advantage, then throw you out with last week's leftovers that are stinking up the fridge.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 19, @03:11PM
Waah waaah waaaaah people don't like our white supremacy waaaah!
(Score: 3, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Friday May 19, @03:49PM (1 child)
It's not freedom if they need to ask your permission first.
(Score: 2) by turgid on Saturday May 20, @08:49AM
Indeed [theguardian.com].
The Liberty [libertyhumanrights.org.uk] article.
I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent [wikipedia.org].
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 19, @05:54AM
Give Ireland back to the Irish
Give Lapland back to the Laps
Give China back to the Chinese
And Yoko back to the Japs...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7dsPmSMmzw [youtube.com]
(Score: 3, Insightful) by DannyB on Thursday May 18, @02:04PM (1 child)
Perhaps the souls that would have been western born babies are being born into non white skinned
MinbariImmigrants.How often should I have my memory checked? I used to know but...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 18, @02:38PM
The West isn't a race, it's a culture. [unesco.org]
Year zero bigotry could be a human rights violation. Restore the statues, restore the texts and restore the glory of the British Empire!
(Score: 3, Funny) by krishnoid on Friday May 19, @04:27PM
Now that you point it out, of course. I did NatC [sic] that coming.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 19, @05:49PM (4 children)
Which is rather the point: http://nitter.net/KonstantinKisin/status/1659148727280345088 [nitter.net]
https://youtube.com/watch?v=bUwEQYB9s9A [youtube.com]
(Score: 2) by turgid on Saturday May 20, @08:33AM (3 children)
It that a load of Alt-Wrong stuff? Should I click on it?
I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent [wikipedia.org].
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 20, @09:07AM (2 children)
I checked it using a url scanner. Don't waste your time. It is a Twitter thread by Konstantin Kisin about the convention. After his introduction, he almost immediately makes multiple statements that that are factually incorrect and easily verified as such. It then goes downhill from there as he starts his "analysis." Basically it is the standard right-wing complaints that the wrong kind of immigration, the lack of "babies," and lack of religion are the cause of Britain's ills. Sure he tries to paint it with different colors but that is his underlying argument while throwing mud everywhere all the while.
(Score: 2) by turgid on Saturday May 20, @09:15AM (1 child)
Thanks very much. I need to get a URL scanner.
I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent [wikipedia.org].
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 20, @10:05PM
My preferred one is URLScan.io for general usage. There are others out there for more specific usage but it is probably the current best free one for general usage. For that nitter URL, I loaded it into the scanner, browsed the domain tree, and then went to the "content" tab to look at the "text content" section, which extracts the text content from the page. There are other things you can do to analyze the risk of going to a URL. However, there are some URLs that are on their blacklist and you have to use a different scanner for those. By way of example, I used VirusTotal to extract the title of that YouTube video (Konstantin Kisin: "Don't Be a Useful Idiot" - Lessons from the Soviet Union - YouTube) to decide it was more of the inane same.