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posted by janrinok on Tuesday July 14 2015, @11:43AM   Printer-friendly
from the outsourcing-the-outsourcers dept.

El Reg reports:

Apple manufacturer Foxconn reckons it will create one million jobs in India by 2020 – nearly the entire number of its current Chinese workforce – according to reports.

Hon Hai otherwise known in the West as Foxconn, last month revealed it was setting its sights on India due to increasing wage costs in China.

The firm has not released any more details or elaborated on what the plans will mean for its Chinese manufacturing base. However, it does appear to be slowly fleshing out a relocation move.


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  • (Score: 2, Interesting) by khallow on Tuesday July 14 2015, @08:49PM

    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday July 14 2015, @08:49PM (#209086) Journal

    India... the place where human work is still cheaper than robots... for now.

    Human labor has been replaced by automation for centuries without doing a thing to reduce the number of people employed or their standard of living. This is merely a continuation of that. Notice that Foxconn is going to employ an astounding number of people in India just like it does in Taiwan and China.

    Or, to put it in khallow's terms: "China labor has priced itself out of the market"

    Why would Foxconn stop employing people in China and Taiwan? This is being spun as a "relocation move" by the author of the story, but why would Foxconn abandon rather than grow its infrastructure in China? It's all being viewed from a provincial developed world point of view. It's not like the situation between China and the US, for example, where we have a huge multiple in labor cost exists between US and Chinese labor and the US continues while decade after decade more disincentives pile on would-be employers.

    I find it bizarre how people in this thread are turning this huge expansion of employment by Foxconn into some sort of morality tale about how evil businesses are making everyone unemployed. We are instead seeing the exact opposite - again. A global majority of peoples' lives are getting better as expected. So I have a question, if the developed world's approach to society and labor/work is so much better why is it that they are the only places in the world where the centuries-old progress to better labor conditions have faltered?

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  • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Tuesday July 14 2015, @10:22PM

    by aristarchus (2645) on Tuesday July 14 2015, @10:22PM (#209124) Journal

    So I have a question, if the developed world's approach to society and labor/work is so much better why is it that they are the only places in the world where the centuries-old progress to better labor conditions have faltered?

    Some might say . . . it is globalized capitalism. Others might say, it is post-colonialism, which is still colonialism just without so much (although still occasional) military invasion. These jobs are being exported, which is to say they would not exist without the "investment" of the so-called "developed world". So it is not that progress in labor has faltered in the developed world, it is that labor has been intentionally betrayed. Old school imperialism was all about the bass, I mean, the resources. The East India Company destroyed the textile industry in India in order to force Indian farmers to export their cotton to Manchester. Now the process is reversed, and we are shipping Manchester to India, but it is still the same exploitation of differences that would not exist under a free global market.

    • (Score: 2, Interesting) by DECbot on Wednesday July 15 2015, @12:03AM

      by DECbot (832) on Wednesday July 15 2015, @12:03AM (#209145) Journal

      I think the point khallow was trying to make is that the market for Foxconn's products is expanding. Instead of increasing production in Far East
      Asia, Foxconn is investing in manufacturing capacity in the new Indian market. It would not surprise me if the major products produced in India are cheap Android cell phones to be sold in India.

      European and Japanese car manufacturers have done the same here in the US. If a certian model acheives enough popularity in the US, it becomes cheaper to build the car here (sub-assemblies in US/MEX/CAN & final assembly in US) than to import it from across the ocean.

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      • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Wednesday July 15 2015, @06:38AM

        by aristarchus (2645) on Wednesday July 15 2015, @06:38AM (#209236) Journal

        I think the point khallow was trying to make|

        OMG. you think khallow was trying to make a point? When the pointlessness of his point was pointed out in the first post? I am at a loss for words, and may be forced to resort to alliteration. Market mayhem muddles metriculous mendacity. Best I can do on short notice.

    • (Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday July 15 2015, @12:51AM

      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday July 15 2015, @12:51AM (#209155) Journal

      These jobs are being exported, which is to say they would not exist without the "investment" of the so-called "developed world". So it is not that progress in labor has faltered in the developed world, it is that labor has been intentionally betrayed.

      You could see it that way, but it's not going to change a thing. The new markets and the new powers of this century don't have any loyalty to developed world labor.

      • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Wednesday July 15 2015, @06:31AM

        by aristarchus (2645) on Wednesday July 15 2015, @06:31AM (#209235) Journal

        Ah, yes! But since you bring loyalty into it, the nations where these workers reside have no loyalty to the capitalist bastards exploiting them, except insofar as they are bought. So, "nationalization"? Worker Ownership? Soft Socialism? Far more dangerous in those places that in the US where a Confederate battle flag and anti-unionism are seen as patriotic, no? C'mon, khallow, you can clearly see the whole system is unsustainable, and will be going down within our lifetimes. Time to get on the side of history!

        • (Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday July 15 2015, @09:29PM

          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday July 15 2015, @09:29PM (#209616) Journal

          But since you bring loyalty into it

          Actually, you implied it by the word, "betrayal".

          the nations where these workers reside have no loyalty to the capitalist bastards exploiting them, except insofar as they are bought. So, "nationalization"? Worker Ownership? Soft Socialism? Far more dangerous in those places that in the US where a Confederate battle flag and anti-unionism are seen as patriotic, no? C'mon, khallow, you can clearly see the whole system is unsustainable, and will be going down within our lifetimes. Time to get on the side of history!

          I think you will end up pleasantly surprised. It's a lot more sustainable now than it was in 1950 and I think that trend will continue. The current developed world might have to be restructured economically due to high levels of publicly held government debt, central bank gaming, and the Eurozone mess, but I don't see those problems as insurmountable.

  • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Wednesday July 15 2015, @01:55AM

    by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday July 15 2015, @01:55AM (#209170) Journal

    This is being spun as a "relocation move" by the author of the story, but why would Foxconn abandon rather than grow its infrastructure in China?

    iGizmos made in US after?

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