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My NOSE is NUMB!
(Score: 5, Interesting) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday January 15 2018, @08:51PM (52 children)
That theme is ugly as fuck. It looks like Android 7.x/8.x, and to me, that is not a good thing. When and why did the flat, anti-functional, user-hostile "Material Design" aesthetic take over? Even the melodramatic skeumorphism of mid-period OS X is better than this.
The rest of the review boils down to "It's Ubuntu Gnome but with a different skin." Whoop-de-shit. Gnome is the Ralph Wiggum of the F/OSS DE and WM world. It takes far too much work to get it into a usable state, which usually translates into "third-rate copy of OS X or Windows 10 with Dash-to-{Dock,Panel} and some custom themes."
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Marand on Monday January 15 2018, @11:57PM (37 children)
Oh boy, more GNOME. KDE really deserves more attention than it gets from distros. It's polished, attractive, lighter, and by default provides a more familiar way for users to interact with the system. It also puts more effort into cross-toolkit consistency, something GNOME devs give no fucks about, and It's more amenable to tweaking, whereas GNOME breaks shit often because you aren't supposed to be modifying their grand vision.
The customisation alone should make it more appealing to people wanting to make their own systems, because it makes it easier to create their own visual style, but for some reason everybody tries to contort GNOME into their own style, when GNOME specifically discourages that because they want their visual language to permeate, and any customisation disrupts that design language.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by tibman on Tuesday January 16 2018, @12:33AM (21 children)
KDE 4 killed KDE for a long time. I still have doubts it has reached the usability of KDE 3.5.9, hah. On the bright side it drove a lot of people to XFCE and other minimal desktops/shells/WMs. Enlightenment looks like it's still a thing too.
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(Score: 4, Informative) by frojack on Tuesday January 16 2018, @01:11AM (1 child)
Except that XFCE is now more bloated than the current KDE. It uses more memory, and still looks sort of duct taped together, and is starting to suffer from haphazard integration of packages. They aren't even chasing the light-weight image any more.
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On the other hand.....
Some of the spinoffs fo XFCE, such as Manjaro's LXDE, and some LXQts are far far lighter and much more elegant.
No, you are mistaken. I've always had this sig.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 18 2018, @03:01PM
First of all, LXDE is not a spinoff from XFCE.
Second, i wonder how much of the observed bloat is inherited from Gnome-derived plumbing. Plumbing that XFCE has to adopt as they do not have the manpower to go it alone.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Gaaark on Tuesday January 16 2018, @01:44AM (10 children)
My 2 desktops are xfce and i3: i3 for when i need resources and quickness, xfce for when i can't remember how to do something (command i haven't written down, etc). I can remember stuff like 'palemoon' and 'smplayer', 'arandr' 'minecraft-launcher'...... but how to get my vpn going and getting to a settings manager/volume control(my one speaker vibrates unless it's volume level is lower than the other) etc: too much to remember without writing it down, and i have enough pieces of paper around. I'm expecting a paper tumbleweed to come blowing by any second. :(
Getting. old. sucks.
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(Score: 2) by Marand on Tuesday January 16 2018, @02:28AM (9 children)
This is off topic and I deserve to be downvoted for it, I know, but I wanted to offer a suggestion: instead of keeping a bunch of paper with notes on how to do things, give Zim [zim-wiki.org] a look. It's a wiki-style notebook so you can have pages and sub-pages, plus some limited formatting and image insertion, which would let you keep all those commands in one place, organised, searchable, and pasteable. If you want to get fancy, you can even link to files, so you could most likely create one-liner scripts to tasks you want to do and link to them to execute, though you might have to make a .desktop file to act as a launcher first. Not sure since I haven't tried, only used links to URLs and media files in it.
You can also keep multiple notebooks in different locations, and the files are all plaintext-readable, so you don't have to worry about losing data to a binary format. Plus the multiple notebooks means, for example, I can keep a separate notebook stored on an encFS volume to store rarely-used but important information, so I can keep it encrypted without the other notebooks being affected.
Something else you might want to try is making a directory with executable scripts and just keeping a link to that somewhere, so you can open it in a file manager and fire off common command/argument combinations in a click.
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Tuesday January 16 2018, @03:44AM (8 children)
I've tried 'organization' software like that before and just find I get lost with it, not sure why. So I stick with paper and keeping .txt files for some commands.
Of course, that means too many .txt files and too much paper, and.....I log into xfce and viola there it is, lol.
Old dog trying to live with a not so good laptop while, surprise, still saving for a good desktop.
I yam what I yam.....
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(Score: 2) by Marand on Tuesday January 16 2018, @04:16AM (7 children)
Zim's not really intended to be organisation software, it's just a way to display text files with wiki formatting inside folders. If you use folders and text files you're most of the way there already, zim just lists them on the side and lets you put some formatting in. It's more like a writing aid, for keeping a bunch of notes, with no real pretense of being more. If you can make your way around wordpad or a similar lightweight editor, you can handle zim, because it's basically that plus a pane on the side that lists pages. The main benefits over plain text+folders is navigation and editing within a single application, linking to external files and resources more easily, formatting options, and embedding images or other files.
Not much of a learning curve to it either. I got my mother, who had similar note-keeping habits as you, to use it and she loved it as a replacement.
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Tuesday January 16 2018, @12:53PM (6 children)
Just installed it. Will give it a try: from the initial instance it looks easier than some I've tried, thanks!
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(Score: 2) by Marand on Tuesday January 16 2018, @02:04PM (5 children)
You're welcome, hope it works out for you. I friended you so if you have any questions or issues with it you can make a journal entry about it and I'll get notified. Or you can drop a note in the only journal entry I have, it's sort of a placeholder "drop a message here" post for that sort of thing. Either way, I'll try to help if you need to know anything or want other suggestions along those lines.
On a personal note, I still use zim for most of my own notes despite emacs taking over most other text editing tasks. I like org-mode well enough for one-off things, like a single-file outline, and sometimes I use asciidoc for project files (beats markdown handily), but zim still remains my catch-all note holder. It's the digital equivalent of a notebook stuffed with random scribblings, and covers that use for me perfectly; the only thing it's really missing is I can't add sketches and hand-written notes to it without creating them in another program first. (Probably something that could be added as a plugin but I never got around to exploring that possibility...)
(Score: 2) by hendrikboom on Wednesday January 17 2018, @03:46AM (4 children)
How compatible is Zim with revision control? Most word processor file formats are terrible for it. A merge is a calamity.
(Score: 2) by Marand on Wednesday January 17 2018, @04:23AM
Zim notebooks consist of plain text files (.txt extension), with sub-pages stored in subdirectories. So, say you have a TODO page, and beneath that, "Work" and "Hhome" pages. On the filesystem you'll have "TODO.txt", "TODO/Work.txt" and "TODO/Home.txt", with each file being human-readable. Zim files have a 3 line header, similar to HTTP headers with three entries: Content-Type, Wiki-Format, and Creation-Date. After that is the file body, which is plaintext human-readable conventions for formatting, as documented here [zim-wiki.org] and also available within Zim itself.
Which is to say, it's very amenable to version control systems because it's all plaintext. The only exception is, if you choose to attach a binary file to a page (either by adding an image to a page or using the "attach external file" option), you get the usual caveats with binary files and VCS. That and the general human-readability of it make it appealing to me, because I hate locking important info into non-standard formats. If Zim ever breaks or stops being maintained, my data is still readable, and it should be simple enough to make a parser for it if I ever need. :D
(Score: 2) by Marand on Wednesday January 17 2018, @04:25AM (2 children)
Double post because I just noticed after submitting that Zim itself ships with a version control plugin [zim-wiki.org] if you want to automate the process. That page also says basically what I did, and I could have saved myself some typing if I had known about it before posting.
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Thursday January 25 2018, @12:06AM (1 child)
I'll answer through to you THIS way: (my zim came with the version control already in action).
I'm using zim now: VERY NICE! Thanks for the info!
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(Score: 2) by Marand on Thursday January 25 2018, @10:01AM
Awesome, glad to hear it's working out for you. :D
It's amazing how useful it can be considering how simple the concept and execution is. Doesn't try to be super fancy, which I think works in its favour, at least for me.
(Score: 2) by Marand on Tuesday January 16 2018, @02:19AM (7 children)
Early adoption of KDE4 hurt KDE. Distros like Ubuntu ignored warnings from the devs and packaged up what was essentially a developer preview and shipped it to end users. By the time Debian adopted it, it was pretty well comparable to the 3.5 that replaced it and continued to improve from there. Now it's on version 5 and is polished, smooth, and like frojack said, lighter even than xfce these days. Plus you can strip it down even further by disabling components you don't use; the defaults are oriented toward giving non-tweakers the best experience possible, so there's still room for improvement if you're willing to poke around in the expansive systemsettings program and turn a few things off.
As for Enlightenment, it's lost most of its lustre now, because its claim to fame back in the day was desktop bling at a time when motif was still widely used. It was never my favourite, but now it looks dated and has a bunch of weird little issues. For an example, Terminology [wikipedia.org] is a terminal emulator using the toolkit Enlightenment uses, which makes it a clunky pile of shit any time you have to interact with the UI for anything. I gave it a try because of some interesting features (video and image viewing inside the term, for one) other terms don't do, but it just wasn't worth dealing with the quirks of EFL to use it. Speaking of EFL, this Daily WTF entry [thedailywtf.com] is a fun read on it. No thanks.
If I want a lighter option than KDE, I'll stick with WindowMaker or notion.
(Score: 4, Informative) by frojack on Tuesday January 16 2018, @02:42AM (5 children)
Nope. Not true.
I was using it at the time. Opensuse was one of the worst offenders. The made it the DEFAULT, then months later when it blew up in their face they tried to deny they even recommended it.
But NO, the KDE developers were NOT blameless. The actively pushed distros to do early releases, (more than half of the KDE developers and packagers were employed by distros at the time, and they REALLY really wanted kde4 to to get some testing, and in doing so they almost killed their brand. Then they refused to even handle security patches for 3.5x. Utterly and completely unprofessional.
Finally there was a few changes of leadership and slowly over a two year period it became stable. But it was shit until KDE/Plasma5 came out, which also had minor-ish problems.
No, you are mistaken. I've always had this sig.
(Score: 1) by shrewdsheep on Tuesday January 16 2018, @03:39PM (4 children)
Same experience here. Unfortunately, neither opensuse nor KDE have learned much since then. I filed some bugs with KDE only to get them closed or commented on derogatorily. If you watch a recent talk from a KDE maintainer given at a opensuse conference (on the opensuse youtube channel, sorry won't look it up) you will understand their disregard for the end user, testing, and software quality in general. That being said, I still prefer KDE over Gnome but I minimize my dependencies on programs my moving as much as possible to the command line. For example, I run my dovecot instance to manage, fetch and filter my email, so I can easily switch the client (Thunderbird at the moment) which will just connect to my localhost IMAP server.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 16 2018, @07:14PM (3 children)
None of the big name userspace projects have learned anything. It is the same behavior that can be observed with Mozilla, Gnome, the various stuff happening under the Freedesktop umbrella, etc etc etc.
It is basically the behavior observed by JWZ and summarized as CADT.
And these days it seems to have gotten even worse as FOSS has become fashionable. Thus we get a eternal september style scenario where the major projects constantly attract new programmers with little respect for what already exist, and lots of energy for barfing out code. And the project management can't say no, because then they get the SJWs breathing down their necks (and a worry number of them are hardline SJWs themselves, that is using their time managing said projects to pad their social resumes and virtue signal).
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 16 2018, @08:04PM
thanks, this cracked me up and i love FOSS. virtue signal RELEASE!
(Score: 1) by shrewdsheep on Tuesday January 16 2018, @08:05PM (1 child)
I general, I agree. However, there is one exception, namely Libreoffice. While far from perfect, the project actually improved software quality over the years going from unusable (like every new KDE series) to decent (hardly ever achieved by KDE). Also the project attracts a lot of non-technical people, has excellent funding and is well known in general. Quite some of their recipes could work for other projects such as KDE, IMO.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 16 2018, @09:21PM
Dunno. As long as Libreoffice was stuffing in the improvements that was held back by Openoffice mismanagement it was doing fine. But recently they held a mascot competition that turned into a right farce, suggesting that the "social" people are creeping in and taking over there as well.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 16 2018, @07:09PM
KDE4 also badly broke with KDE3, resulting in a software schism where programmers had to pick sides.
(Score: 5, Funny) by melikamp on Tuesday January 16 2018, @12:34AM
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday January 16 2018, @03:27AM (9 children)
KDE4 took until 4.12 and 5 took until 5.10 to be usable for me. I spend most of my time in Plasma 5.10, soon to be .11 now, with some in Fluxbox or Xfce with Compiz/Emerald as the mood strikes.
code so
I actually did get Gnome looking and working mostly, sorta, halfway decent, but only as an OS X clone and with literally days of tweaking and googling and extension-installing added in. It's a mess. I don't know who the hell it was aimed at but it's a mess, and it feels creepy and big-brother-ish.
IMO Linux as a desktop mostly peaked around Gnome 2.32 for GTK and KDE 3.5.10 for KDE. Something went horribly wrong with Linux after that and I can't put a name to it. All i know is i hate GTK3 with a passion. I want to like LXQt but it's got almost zero themes and still feels extremely unpolished, mostly because there's no unified look and feel since you need to set icons, Qt theme, GTK 2 theme, GTK 3 theme, font, and Openbox border and there's no single place to do all these. Wishing like hell I could code so I could just write a mini-application for the configuration center to centralize it all...
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Marand on Tuesday January 16 2018, @04:08AM (1 child)
That's about normal for KDE. Early KDE3 releases were pretty garbage as well, but it polished up nicely by 3.5ish. KDE4 was mostly there around 4.4 or so but took a bit longer to get the majority of the little things dealt with, and Plasma5 has just hit a similar point around 5.9 or 5.10 like you said. That's why I follow Debian's release pattern for it, because by the time Debian adopts it, it's around that sweet spot. Though it seems like Debian this time around just barely missed it, shipping 5.8. There are some annoying bugs in 5.8 that disappear in 5.9 and up that most people won't deal with but of course I run into them regularly because of oddities of my system configuration.
Still, much better than the alternatives despite those issues. Even Windows and Android are both full of random minor bugs of the same type despite having the weight of massive mega-corps behind them. One Windows 7 example that absolutely infuriated me was the way it would ignore sub-pixel anti-aliasing settings on a per-application basis at random, so that some applications would show red and blue fringing if I used light text on dark background, despite having it disabled at the OS level. Plus its multi-display support being a decade behind Linux, though it finally got a bit better about that with W10.
Probably because by GTK3, it stopped being treated as a cross-platform toolkit for application developers and became the GNOME toolkit. Breakage caused in non-GNOME gtk applications is irrelevant, only the needs of GNOME devs matter. If it breaks for non-GNOME desktop users, that's fine too, and like I said in the other comment, that's around when GNOME decided that a unified visual design and "GNOME brand" is more important than anything else. The end result is that Gtk3 is developer-hostile unless you're writing GNOME applications, and user-hostile unless you're a GNOME user. Why anybody would choose it for a new project at this point is beyond me.
Since I'm making accusations, I'll follow up with some examples:
* GTK3 change breaks roxterm [sourceforge.net] because "nobody but gnome-terminal used this feature" so they removed it in the middle of a minor point release. You know, when you expect an API to remain stable. The dev gave up on the project because of this. (I've seen a few projects I used die for similar reasons, though that's the only one I can think of right now.)
* Can't find the bug report due to gna.org shutting down, but gtk3 massively broke tablet support in mypaint by randomly changing how it handled certain tablet events, and when the mypaint devs reported it to gtk3 devs, the response was of course "NOTABUG WONTFIX" and blaming mypaint, even though it affected other programs as well. They eventually backtracked on it and it got fixed later, though.
* Back when KDE4 and GNOME3 were newer things, they were building enhanced systray options to provide more features than the bare-bones one both supported. KDE did it first, tried to get GNOME devs to support it when they started working on doing the same thing, and the reaction was the typical NIH, GFYS and they implemented their own version instead.
* Similarly, any nice cross-toolkit integration in desktop environments probably comes from KDE devs, because the GNOME side thinks if you want consistency the correct solution is to only use GNOME applicatons. So KDE devs took on the burden for users on both sides, making Qt styles that copy the current Gtk style, and Gtk styles that copy Qt styles, so that users in both environments can get a consistent interface. for Qt and Gtk applications.
* GNOME even treats its own users with similar contempt, removing configuration options and intentionally breaking software and themes between point releases because they felt like it. You're supposed to take the default and like it, damn it.
TL;DR: GNOME thinks it's another Apple or Google and can dictate how everyone works, but without the resources or skills of either.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 16 2018, @07:31PM
Sadly so much of Gnome, Freedesktop, and a few other big projects that glue Linux userspace together, have the same names and emails attached to them. And more often than not said emails are either redhat or collabora ones.
End result is that one is looking at a massive echo chamber.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 16 2018, @07:22PM (6 children)
What happened was a group of people that thought mobile/touch was the future (largely inspired by experiences working on the software side of the Nokia Maemo device platform), followed by a drive to chase after Microsoft as the latter unveiled their GPU powered Vista desktop.
All this lead to a frenzy of UI/UX experimentation (KDE4, Gnome3), and a pile of new sub-systems and middleware/plumbing (Wayland, Systemd).
Funny thing is that this coincided with Gnome and KDE holding joint developer gatherings.
Sadly some very vocal senior userspace programmers have convinced themselves that the status quo of Linux userspace was fundamentally broken and required a complete rebuild. And they have sold this idea to the masses with a lot of bling and bluster.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 16 2018, @08:10PM (5 children)
menu driven nav is outdated. gnome was right about how to handle workspaces. it's not even close once you get used to gnome3.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday January 16 2018, @10:50PM (4 children)
Menu driven nav *is* outdated, and it was outdated before it was invented. Know the proper replacement? Keyboard shortcuts. Which I can set up in just about any WM or DE. I'm mostly in Plasma now and have the same small set of shortcuts for Plasma, Fluxbox, and Xfce.
In a roundabout way, one that reminds me of that quote about Americans being trustworthy to do the right thing after trying everything else, Gnome (mimicking OS X long before) has a sort of interactive real-time program search; hit the right button, type a couple of letters, and get a dynamic list of matching programs. But...we don't need Gnome for this. Such a thing can theoretically be implemented standalone; just query /usr/share/applications, draw a grid of what you find inside, and make them activate when clicked as if from inside a file manager.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 17 2018, @06:24PM (3 children)
Except that with Wayland you will need the compositors permission to set up a keyboard shortcut...
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday January 18 2018, @05:49AM (2 children)
Good grief, really? I have five words for THAT proposal and they ain't "Mercury Crystal Power, Make Up."
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 18 2018, @03:06PM (1 child)
Yep. The compositor is the only party of the desktop stack that can read all keystrokes.
There is perhaps some yakking about getting a protocol in place to allow other programs to petition the compositor to register a shortcut, but expect Gnome to come up with one variant, KDE another, and then Gnome strongarming the rest into adopting their solution before promptly scrapping it as "imperfect".
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday January 18 2018, @08:08PM
Fuck that noise. If I have to I'll move onto a BSD variant that stays with vanilla X.org rather than let this buggy, user-hostile Wayland trash eat my desktop. I've already cut out systemd from my life, and if anything Wayland is even easier to get rid of.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1) by bobthecimmerian on Tuesday January 16 2018, @12:03PM (3 children)
My experience with KDE has consistently been that it's crash-happy. That's why I never stick with it. I have Kubuntu 16.04 on my wife's laptop, and it's rock solid and she likes it though I think they picked an awful color scheme. But otherwise, all the beauty in the world is irrelevant if stability is poor and I've had enough problems with non-LTS versions of Kubuntu and Fedora KDE spin that I gave up. It's a damn shame, because it's gorgeous.
GNOME 3 is a huge adjustment for people accustomed to a user interface that follows the Windows 95 style. It may well be better. But for example all the PCs in my house have an account for each family member. I have a hard enough time convincing my wife and kids to use Linux, I'm not going to make them adjust to a radically different graphical interfaces.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 16 2018, @08:13PM (2 children)
you should let them try it. my non tech family members were impressed with it's purdy and wanted it. they actually gasped and said, "what is that. i want that". you'd be surprised what a little eye candy will do.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 18 2018, @07:25PM
The term worried seems more fitting than surprised.
That humanity can be that shallow should really worry us.
But then Apple is hailed at the epitome of tech design, so...
(Score: 1) by bobthecimmerian on Friday January 19 2018, @02:36AM
I wouldn't be surprised at the effects of eye candy, because it draws my attention too. I keep trying GNOME 3 and KDE because they genuinely do look much prettier than most other Linux desktops. The Elementary Linux desktop comes close. But while Xfce, MATE, LXDE, LXQt, and many others are quite functional I find them noticeably less beautiful than GNOME 3 or KDE.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 16 2018, @12:15AM (8 children)
When and why did the flat, anti-functional, user-hostile "Material Design" aesthetic take over?
[...]
GNOME [...] third-rate copy of OS X or Windows 10
I think you answered your own question.
The existence of GNOME is due to a scary quasi-proprietary license that Qt had back in the day.
That toolkit (used by KDE) and its sometimes-payware|sometimes-gratis-and-libre nature freaked out some developers and they avoided the whole deal.
GNOME started life as an all-FOSS-all-the-time alternative to KDE, and used GTK (the GIMP toolkit), which has always been gratis and libre.
The reason that everybody gets to make 1:1 comparisons and whine -now- is that, in 2008, Nokia bought Trolltech (Qt's owner) and dumped the payware part of the Qt license, removing the pall hanging over KDE.
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...and there's Red Hat[1] trying to follow in MSFT's footsteps in rejecting the Unix Philosophy [wikipedia.org] and adopting systemd.
In addition, there are Red Hat people on Debian's governing board who approved the same deviant move there.
[1] You should have noticed by now that Red Hat never uses the word "Linux" in their ads.
-- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Tuesday January 16 2018, @01:54AM (3 children)
Same with google/android: "the world" says "nobody uses linux" until you point out that THEY are using it in their phones and tablets. Then they go "Huh?"
--- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. ---Gaaark 2.0 ---
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 16 2018, @05:18AM
Ah, let's not also forget it also runs a fair percentage of their WLAN boxes and Firewalls, not to mention the networking gear running it.
Sad, but true..@work we have a boss who is a sphenisciphobe when it comes to OS related matters, he was directly responsible for the demise of our old Smoothwall firewall machines as they ran 'an OS that no-one supports' and replaced them with Draytek 'appliances' (which at that time ran...Linux and so does all the wireless gear we have waiting to be deployed). Our phone system? the old Cisco system was Linux based...the new one is (as far as I can tell) also Linux based.
I call him a sphenisciphobe, that's not totally fair as he hates all Unix or Unix-like OSes but it serves here as the most overt symptom of his asininity, needless to say he's also a big fan of Apple products, so whenever he pulls out his iWhatever (phone or tablet) the irony isn't lost on us.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 16 2018, @11:57AM
and TVs
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 16 2018, @07:35PM
The sad part is that the DE people will not recognize that the reason the kernel is that much used, while the desktop lingers in the wastelands, is that said DE people and their compatriots at the plumbing layer, can't be assed to maintain stable APIs.
(Score: 2) by Arik on Tuesday January 16 2018, @05:15AM (2 children)
And then it took over GTK and perverted it beyond recognition.
GNOME also originally stood for GNU Object Model Environment, and it had a clear mission. After a little while, they decided they didn't care about the mission, or the name, and they dumped that.
Now it just means annoying little creep that needs to stay out of my garden.
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 16 2018, @07:39PM (1 child)
Given that it was founded by Icaza, that then went on to unsuccessfully start a couple of companies based on cloning Microsoft software (the file explorer, Outlook) before finally getting aqui-hired by Microsoft over the .NET clone Mono, one may wonder.
Never mind that we have another code monkey running roughshod through the Linux ecosystem right now, Poettering...
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday January 16 2018, @10:52PM
Yeah, I've had my suspicions about de Icaza and Poettering for years now. They're blunting Hanlon's Razor, because at this point the question "are they double agents or just completely up their own asses?" pans out the same way with either response...
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 16 2018, @07:43PM
The payware part was gone long before Nokia grabbed Trolltech.
(Score: 2) by driverless on Tuesday January 16 2018, @01:26AM (3 children)
I thought it looked like Windows 8. I mean, ye Gods, first Microsoft, and now there's a Linux distro that's succumbed to the same brain rot.
Also, in reference to the, ahem, "review", I know the other site has the term Slashvertising, if it's posted here is it Soylentvertising? Doesn't quite roll off the tongue the same way.
(Score: 3, Informative) by captain normal on Tuesday January 16 2018, @02:35AM (2 children)
I've seen "Soyvertisment" used.
When life isn't going right, go left.
(Score: 2) by driverless on Tuesday January 16 2018, @02:48AM (1 child)
Ah, yeah, that sounds better.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 16 2018, @02:14PM
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 16 2018, @10:07PM
I too hate the flat UI design that seems to be standard these days.
How am I supposed to know what is an interactive element and what is not?
Do NOT tell me to hover the mouse over everything or click everything, that is not helpful advice, I want to use my eyes! That is the point of a screen.