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posted by martyb on Wednesday February 13 2019, @01:22AM   Printer-friendly
from the cell-ular-automaton dept.

March: We Are Legion (We Are Bob) (Bobiverse #1) by Dennis Taylor

Discuss The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress by Robert A. Heinlein in the comments below.

Fiasco was translated into English in 1988 by Michael Kandel:

Fiasco (Polish: Fiasko) is a science fiction novel by Polish author Stanisław Lem, first published in a German translation in 1986. The book, published in Poland the following year, is a further elaboration of Lem's skepticism: in Lem's opinion, the difficulty in communication with alien civilizations is cultural disparity rather than spatial distance. The failure to communicate with an alien civilization is the main theme of the book.

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  • (Score: 5, Interesting) by deimtee on Wednesday February 13 2019, @04:52AM (3 children)

    by deimtee (3272) on Wednesday February 13 2019, @04:52AM (#800502) Journal

    Agree about Stu, he did just seem to jump right in, but on the other hand he may have really believed that Manny saved his life at the trial.

    Also, the idea that low gravity can extend life expectancy significantly doesn't seem to fit with what we've learned about living outside a planetary magnetic field.

    We really don't know about that. We know zero is bad, but nobody has lived in low gravity for any longer than the Apollo astronauts, and that was only a few days. Low gravity and an indoor life with no weather or UV is definitely going to make people look younger.
    Also, low gravity and a magnetic field are different things. If you are referring to radiation then shielding works too, and piling 14 pounds of rock* on each square inch of your habitat sounds like a good way to stop the air pressure blowing the roof off.

    *That's 14 pounds in lunar gravity. Would be 84 on earth, and that's a lot of shielding.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 13 2019, @08:25PM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 13 2019, @08:25PM (#800718)

    I always took Stu (and indeed the entire book) as a semi-proxy for the American Revolutionary War, with Stu being somebody like Pierre L'Enfant [wikipedia.org], or one of the other French noblemen who threw their resources into supporting the cause of US Independence. As such, I never worried too much about his nebulous motivations, as "fiction reflects real life."

    The thing I never understood was that early reveal that "Manny is female!" They make a big deal of it, but then it turns out to have no bearing or influence on the story... and indeed was entirely neglected. I always took it to be an early draft idea which got missed during the later revisions and edits. Maybe I'm missing something, though.

    (At least it's better than the post-hoc, "by the way, Dumbledore is gay" style of character development...)

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 13 2019, @08:52PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 13 2019, @08:52PM (#800727)

      The thing I never understood was that early reveal that "Manny is female!" They make a big deal of it, but then it turns out to have no bearing or influence on the story... and indeed was entirely neglected. I always took it to be an early draft idea which got missed during the later revisions and edits. Maybe I'm missing something, though.

      Yep, you're missing something all right. There is no "reveal" of the gender of Manny, because *he* is a Hetero-Cis male:

      Even today, with almost as many women in Luna as men, I’m too much old-timer to be rude to a woman no matter what—they have so much of what we have none of. But she had flicked
      scar tissue and I answered almost sharply, “I am not employee of Warden. I do business with Authority—as private contractor.”

      I can only assume that you haven't read the novel, are trolling or both.

      But you go girl! Wow! There's a reveal for you! OP AC is female!

    • (Score: 2) by deimtee on Thursday February 14 2019, @05:16AM

      by deimtee (3272) on Thursday February 14 2019, @05:16AM (#800888) Journal

      Well the other AC thinks you are trolling, but I think you meant Mike, not Manny. There is a scene where Wyoh is telling Mike jokes and it laughs at all the same ones as women, not men. You are right that it didn't make much difference to the rest of the book. Heinlein did that a fair bit, threw in a lot of stuff that filled out the story and gave him possible plot hooks for later. He didn't always use them.

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