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The domains are sold, the linode account is transferred, it looks like I'm out of here. This was a bad action to take, but the purpose was to get me out fast. In that regard it worked very well.

I could have stayed with the project and remained positive and upbeat were it not for the constant meanness shown by members of the staff.

Keep this in mind the next time you contemplate a palace revolt. Putting the dirty laundry out for everyone to see is hurtful and disruptive.

I wish everyone the best of luck in the new adventure.

Fuck beta!

Am I the bad guy here?

They say that Al Capone couldn't understand why the press hated him. He thought of himself as the "good guy", who had done so much for Chicago that the city should be grateful.

I understand how he must have felt.

To date I've tried to be positive, upbeat, and helpful during the transition - turning over accounts and passwords, answering questions, providing help where needed. I initially gave Michael passwords for everything about the project, including the registrar.

SoylentNews was pushing probably 7 million pageviews a month. Some acceptable [to the community] advertizing and it could have net $10,000/month. Despite this, Michael doesn't want to reimburse me $2,000 for startup costs.

Michael's behaviour is so *rotten* that I just cannot fathom it. I'm also baffled as to why the staff is being mean. Because of this I've taken back some of the account access: the registrar and my three linode accounts. I'm tired of being shat upon, and I need to look after my own interests.

Since the change in ownership, the site worth has dropped from $2700 to $470, the stark reality of the "palace revolt".

The truth is, no one wants to see dirty laundry. I crafted my resignation in a politically neutral manner because I was taught that it's not appropriate to say bad things in public. Michael's hit piece came as a complete shock.

This whole thing started because one person didn't like someone else's choice of OS, and couldn't let it go and couldn't put it off, even for 2 weeks. I've read about these types of religious wars, choice of editor being another one, but I never thought that people would go to these sorts of extremes. I wonder if "can't let it go" will be a recurring theme.

Throughout the transition, only a *single* staff member showed integrity, and only two showed any sense of loyalty.

I did my best to accommodate people, to give them important positions with interesting tasks, encouraging them to experiment and be creative, and most of all to grow. As an example, Michael originally declined being head of dev. He wanted the position, but felt that his people skills were not up to the task (he said this in so many words). After much thought and deliberation I came up with a plan to pair him with Mattie, a professional manager, to work on his management skills and help him grow into the position. I made special arrangements to give Michael the best seat in the house because he deserved it.

It came as a complete surprise that none of the editors were happy (per Michael's piece). No one had complained, I had several conversations with the head of that section and sat in on their group meeting.

Overlords had specific authority to decide split consensus, they were told this when they were made overlords (per my script). At the time of the revolt, none of the overlords had complained or even asked about this. Mattie had full authority to resolve disputes between groups, it was stated in so many words in the E-mail. I don't know how Michael thought otherwise, especially in light of the E-mail record. Michael was an overlord and was specifically told all of this.

This sordid affair has left me soured on the entire community. Slashdot users think we're a bunch of spoiled crybabies, and 'ya know what? I agree. I'm not a member of this community, and now that I'm an outcast I see that I don't *want* to be a member.

I'm not a nerd, I'm a scientist. Go do your own thing, I wash my hands of you.

UPDATE

I've had several offers for the site - thank you. I'm contacting the first one and then I'm gone.

Working with NCommander is certainly a challenge.

After agreeing to reimburse me for costs of the project, NCommander now wants to only pay for certain things.

Perhaps others in the community could speak to him? Given that he took the project against my wishes and agreed to reimburse me, I'd like him to keep his part of the bargain.

Is this behaviour truly representative of the our community? It would never even *occur* to me to do this. I suppose that makes me an entirely different type of person - and for that I am glad.

The excerpt from IRC:

23:47 NCommander: Pay me back for startup costs?
23:48 Barrabas, agreed.
23:48 Barrabas, prefer check, or paypal
23:48 NCommander: Check is good. I'll E-mail you my address.

Here is MY E-mail request:

Michael:

Please reimburse me for SoylentNews expenses by sending a check:

[my address]

You'll find a complete accounting of expenses on the wiki:

http://wiki.soylentnews.org/wiki/index.php/Expenses

I'd like to be free and clear of the project ASAP, so if you could drop a check in the mail tomorrow or the next day I'd appreciate it. I'm sure you can get a letter from Panama to the US with no trouble. Please let me know when it's posted so I know to look for it.

The package from NY is being returned, but hasn't arrived. When it does, I'll contact you to find out how you'd like to proceed.

Here's his response

I physically don't have checks to send as of right now until I return to the continental US which won't be for another week. With the exception of PayPal or perhaps Western Union, the only other method of money transfer I can do right now is a wire transfer.

We need to split out some of the costs; some of the initial linode charges were on my card and some of these charges look off. Can you provide the receipts so I can get an accurate total of what went
where? I also need the reciepts for handling the accounting side of the business.

In addition, there's a lot here that needs to be sorted before I'm comfortable with writing a check. First off, I'm hesistant to pay for things we won't use. The linode annual subscriptions are split on your Linode account, and won't be using more than one Linode 1024. We need to talk to linode, see if they're willing to offer credit and get that transfered to my linode account which can be used to pay for nodes we are using. (as of right now, that's two Linode 2048s, and a 1024 for misc servers. I expect another 2048, and likely upgrading the existing nodes).

Here's what I'm willing to pay as is:
  * Domain registration costs ( $220.76 + any fees to transfer to a new register; I don't have a problem with gadhi itself, so if we can send them a email asking for the domains to be moved to a new account, we can call this good.)
  * March payment for the production + dev linode + my personal node which are on the 'NCommander' linode account
  ** When you changed the autobilling information, my personal node got charged against your card
  ** 2x Linode 2048s, 2x Linode 1024s + backup services for 3 of those boxes
  ** Total of $145.00, I have the receipt for this one
  * The virtual phone number (I'm not even sure what this is, but I'm not going to dispute $14.83)

Undisputed amount of right now: $379

My biggest issue is I'm hesitant to pay for things we either didn't use, or won't use.
* Linode 1024 annual payments ( $662.22 )
** As I said, these are simply too small to be useful for anything except misc services. We're already migrated everything to a single node for email, IRC, and LDAP. Once I confirm with robind, nothing from these boxes are used at all.
** I will cover this if we can get linode to cancel the linodes, and convert the unused credit applied to my linode account. If that proves impossible, we'll discuss other options.
** The costs for backup service look wrong, can you please check it (I'd expect all three number to be the same)? Same deal as above

* BlueHost ($178.20)
** Honestly, this was paid for before I was even involved in SN (the wiki was already up at this point), and I'm not sure how we ran up a bill *this* high for one month of service. We never used it for SN except as organization for altslashdot, and it was moved as soon as practical. Furthermore, it was clear even before golive that bluehost wouldn't meet our needs very early in the bringup process.

To be discussed totals: ( $840 + backup)

As for the Pimsleur Spanish + audio player, its a separate matter from the SN expenses; it was a gift, and I've never been conformable that it was hosted as an expense for the project. Given how things have played out, I'm willing to re-coop this if they're not returnable, but its a separate matter from the SN business.

Gift expenses: $421.14

As a final point, as a contingent of recomp of costs, I would like an agreement that you will make no claim as to the name SoylentNews, the site, basically everything related to SN transfers to me, with no further claims or liabities from yourself, and such. Basically, any costs or profits from the site stay with me (or whatever business that gets setup), the name and domains belongs to me. If we need formal wording for this, I'll get a lawyer involved.

Michael

So far as agreements, yes, he can keep the name and everything else. I actually *keep* my agreements, but it seems like I'll have to put pressure on NCommander to keep his.

(He also agreed to 1) Back my management decisions, and 2) promote my vision of the site when I made him head of dev. Those didn't last long either.)

I can no longer sustain the level of activity needed to run Soylent news, and so I have resigned as leader.

In the end, I was literally begging people to step back and let the site "just run" for a few days while I caught up... alas, to no effect. Issues must be resolved "right here and right now" continuously throughout my day with no end in sight.

NCommander has taken over as project lead - he has access to everything from the registrar down. I understand he has a different vision for the project, which will soon be revealed.

I'm sorry to leave like this, but there's really nothing for it. I'm going back to my AI studies, which happen at a more leisurely pace.

John Barrabas

(And yes, this was an amicable transfer of power. There's no hard feelings on my side.)

had a go at scripting a little quick & dirty irc bot for soylent

requires sic (http://tools.suckless.org/sic)
if you're using debian: sudo apt-get install sic

#!/bin/bash

chan="#test"
log="test.log"
pipe="log-pipe"

trap "rm -f $pipe" EXIT

if [[ -f $log ]]; then
    rm $log
fi

if [[ ! -p $pipe ]]; then
    mkfifo $pipe
fi

substr="End of /MOTD command"
joined=""

sic -h "irc.sylnt.us" -n "log-bot" <> $pipe | while read line; do
    if [[ -n "$line" ]]; then
        echo $line >> $log
    fi
    if [[ -z "$joined" ]] && [[ -z "${line##*$substr*}" ]]; then
        joined="1"
        echo ":j $chan" > $pipe
    fi
done

exit 0

also posted on the wiki @ http://wiki.soylentnews.org/wiki/index.php/User:Crutchy#IRC_logging_bot

NOTE: This is just a draft copy of my post, likely still incomplete. Once edited and reviewed, I'll post to the main index.

Ok, so first, I want to apologize that this is a few days late. Due to real life insanity (involving, but not limited to, 30 hours of flying, horrible jetlag, and seasickness), I wasn't able to get this discussion started when I promised, so please accept my deepest apologizes. Anyway, here's the moderation discussion, as promised. I've made it clear multiple times that the current algo is something of a temporary hack. I've been reading comments on my journal, and on the articles we've had discussing in-depth.

Before we begin, there are a couple of things I'd like to go into first before we go into rewriting the algorithm. A lot of people have suggested alternative moderation systems (i.e., something Reddit like, or a tag-based system) instead of trying to "fix" slash's system. While I'm not inherently object to replacing moderation wholesale, it would require someone to actually implement a new system, get it setup somewhere, let people review it, and then perhaps roll it out to the site. As the saying goes, talk is cheap. I'm personally not going to replace what I see as a "good enough" system without the community deciding that they want it, and that requires that said system exists to be evaluated. If someone is seriously interested in still perusing this, I invite them to drop by #dev, and discuss it 1:1.

*big exhale*

Right, now that we got that out of the way, I'd like to address what I've seen the biggest concerns towards moderation. I recommend that people read my writeup about the current system before diving in, as I will be referring that post considerably.

I've got some pretty graphs here that show how points are being spread through the system, and that, for the most part moderation is mostly working as adversed.

*FIXME, put graphs here*

Point expiration: Oh boy, people really have let me know about this one. I've written a fair bit about this, but to sum-up, modpoints with a short half-life *are* a good thing. On Soylent, we post upwards of 10-20 articles a day, and once an article is no longer in the "top 10" so to speak, the number of new comments essentially drops into single digits. With a smaller userbase, we need lots of mod points in circulation to make the system work, and even then, generally half to 3/4th of all modpoints expire out without being used.

*graph to points expiration table*

That's not to say that the current four hour period isn't short. My largest concern at the moment is that any large increases of mod point expiration has something of a cascading effect. At any given moment, we have a specific number of slots of people who can be moderators, and if someone doesn't bother to moderate at all, that slot is effectively taken until the points go "POOF". I'm tentatively willing to increase the duration to six hours, to relief some of this pressure, and then see how moderation spreads are affected. Any large scale increases in the expiration however means making more of the userbase eligible to moderate at a given time. I'm open to thoughts on this one.