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Voting yourself someone else's money

Posted by DannyB on Tuesday October 27 2020, @09:02PM (#6318)
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If you bring up UBI, or other reforms, you'll inevitably get someone who brings up: "voting yourself someone else's money".

You could convince me, except that things have gotten to an absurd state.

I look at some graphs of wealth inequality and it is unimaginably shocking. I never dreamed it could be this bad. More than 50% of the US wealth is owned by 5% of the people. [1] 35% is owned by only 1% of the population.

This image from this article also tells the story.

I'm not going to argue how accurate those numbers are. Rather, I will extrapolate the trend.

Let's continue the current trend to its logical absurd conclusion. The entire planet is owned by one single person. You (and everyone else) are one of the wage slaves in the bottom 99.99999999 % of the population (at least 8 decimal places). [7.5 billion people, minus that one person who owns everything, then divided by 7.5 billion people.]

Naturally, we should respect property ownership. Somehow this one person deserves and "earned" the wealth of the entire planet through his hard and diligent efforts and deserves to own everything and everyone. It is absurd on its face.

At this logical endpoint, it clearly seems that the rest of the planet should seize the wealth of the one person.

Wealth transfer has already happened. And is still happening. Republicans are just fine with this as long as it is all trickling upward.

Yes, "voting yourself someone else's money" involves taking away some of the absurd amounts of wealth hoarded up by a few. Amounts of individual wealth that one person couldn't spend in a lifetime; then leaves to others, who themselves can't spend it in their lifetime.

Not as a proposal, but just to make a point, hypothetically, if all of these people who exceed this threshold had their net worth capped at $100 Million, they would still be just fine. Yes, really! They would still live in fabulous homes, drive fabulous cars, and eat whatever they wanted, travel wherever and whenever they wanted -- for the rest of their natural lives.

In case my "one man owns the world" didn't get the idea across, I'll be more blunt. Any time too few people have owned way, way too much, and too many had nothing, there is always an uprising. I'm not proposing an uprising. I'm merely warning it is inevitable. Hopefully not in my lifetime. Maybe it would be better to solve this peacefully where the wealthiest, while heavily taxed, still end up, after taxes, fabulously wealthy beyond the dreams of most everyone else. I'm not proposing reducing all the rich people's wealth to some cap. Just that they should pay their fair share. Why are they the ones who get the tax cuts?

UBI revisited

Posted by khallow on Tuesday October 27 2020, @03:16PM (#6317)
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Rehash
We've had plenty of discussion about UBI (universal basic income - government mandated standard income to everyone with few or no restrictions). Way back when, I originally favored [edit: added link] the idea. The idea of collapsing a bunch of ineffective, costly, intrusive social programs (a particular problem in the US) for a relatively lightweight single program sounded nice at the time. But I since have grown to oppose the idea.

Some of it is the weakness of proponents' arguments. Once you get past the cost savings and income inequality arguments, it devolves to things like everyone spends more time on their hobbies, which are implied to have value, while roundly ignoring that so many peoples' ideas of hobbies is watching TV on the sofa while consuming one's favorite recreational drug.

But I think there are several key problems which never get addressed. So I'll talk about those today.

The Set Point:

At its basic level, UBI is income redistribution. Someone gets taxed and then everyone gets a mostly equal share of the tax revenue. That share is something like the temperature control on an air conditioner (AC). One can raise or lower the set point to get less or more cooling. ACs have natural limits. In addition to the physic limitations of the cooling equipment, we have cost of electricity and human comfort levels. The end result typically is that the temperature ends up on the warm side of whatever is considered comfortable which also typically is the cheaper side electricity-wise.

For UBI, there's a vote disparity. It's likely that relatively few people will pay more for UBI than they receive (because rich people are relatively uncommon and there always is some degree of wealth and income inequality), so likely a large portion of voters will have a strong incentive to increase UBI. Nobody has come up with a mechanism for slowing down this demand for more UBI, and raising the set point to arbitrarily high amounts.

A second point related to this, which is more addressable, is that unlike an AC, government can borrow from the future. That leads potentially to the problem of raising UBI and then paying for it with the future.

While this sounds more serious than the former problem, it's fairly easy to solve by making UBI revenue neutral. That is, tax revenue equals UBI payout.

So my view here is that a revenue neutral UBI would still have the problem that there's no consistent way to set the point at which the UBI should be, combined with built-in incentive to arbitrarily raise UBI levels.

One possible though hard-to-implement way to solve that is a fixed tax portion. Among other things, it would give the public incentive to figure out how to improve the economy so that more tax revenue is generated rather than just raise taxes. There is a potential here for turning a UBI into a system that encourages long term thinking.

Inflation:

There are numerous factors which fall in this category. There are inflationary effects on certain goods from income redistribution. There are inflationary effects from any increase in the cost of labor (reduction in supply of labor is a likely consequnce of UBI). And a likely rationalization for raising the UBI set point would be inflation and cost of living arguments.

We already have numerous US government sectors whose cost has risen faster than the size of the economy, much less inflation, and I think it'd be instructive to consider these and how similar dynamics could cause unsustainable rises in UBI. For example, consider health care, education, and aerospace industry. The first happened due to a combination of severe supply restriction and significant increase in demand with substantial government-created cartels/monopolies, sky-high liability and testing costs, and kick-back schemes contributing to the overall costs.

Education costs rose due to massive, subsidized demand for college education. Colleges often can't even figure out what to do with the money they get - dumping it into buildings, bureaucracies, and flashy services nobody needs.

Aerospace has the peculiar problem of metric feedback. The US government has created several metrics for estimating the inflation of costs of aerospace projects. The catch is that the inflation metrics are then used to increase the funding of the projects, which in turn creates more inflation caught by the metric. It's a nasty feedback mechanism that has resulted in massively overpriced projects in recent decades.

My take is that all of this can be addressed by 1) fixing the tax rates and letting the tax base inflate normally, and 2) reversing government policies that artificially increase cost of living (I just named three). But if we were to manually try this, the various problems of built-in excess inflation come in. UBI has normally some modest inflationary effects. Combine that with policies that artificially inflate cost of living or the UBI payout, and you have a destructive feedback that could end the US in a few decades.

The Meddlers:

I've already implied some of this with the set point paragraph. Once you have UBI, you have incentive to meddle with it for profit and gain. In addition to just turning UBI to 11, there's room for carving out all kinds of restrictions: felons, legal immigrants, rich people, people who don't work, people who do, etc. This incidentally is a means for creating dissension to undermine and reverse UBI policy - deliberately create inequality in order to break the system.

The People's Skill Set:

A final thing which gets missed is the deep skill set of the working public. It goes from simple stuff like following a schedule and showing up at a place on time or knowing how to interact with other people in a public setting, to managing people or having a deep knowledge of some business sector.

My take is that a UBI, particularly a large one, is going to encourage people to stay away from work and hence, from a big opportunity to learn these skills. Then where are we going to get competent, skilled people from?

One of the things that is powerful about a democratic, capitalist society is that people are unusually competent and empowered. Even if your government is thoroughly incompetent, there's plenty of people in the private side who can do it. UBI puts that at risk by growing the portion of society that doesn't learn those skills.

What's the value of UBI?:

Too often all I hear about UBI is how it's just a right that everyone should have and how awesome it's going to be when no one has to work ever again. But what's the value to us? Particularly, to the ones who have to pay for it? My TL;DR is not that UBI is impossible to implement in a healthy way, but rather that I've heard so little from proponents about how they're going to address these huge systemic problems. My take is that in the absence of such, UBI will merely be a late stage phase in the decline of developed world countries.

Fair, or not?

Posted by Runaway1956 on Tuesday October 27 2020, @07:21AM (#6309)
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News

The title of the article is "Another Unhinged Leftist Teacher Caught on Video Lecturing 13-Year-Old Student for 10 Minutes on Why Trump is Racist (VIDEO)"
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/10/another-unhinged-leftist-teacher-caught-video-lecturing-13-year-old-student-10-minutes-trump-racist-video/
Better transcript-like account here https://mynorthwest.com/2258047/rantz-video-teacher-trump-racist-immigration/

Wow.
Another leftist teacher took time out to lecture a 13-year-old student for 10 minutes on why he should hate the president of the United States.
Unfortunately, for the teacher the student was recording the lecture and later posted it on the internet.

A 13-year-old student recorded his teacher as he tried to convince him to stop supporting President Donald Trump.

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The teacher spent nearly ten minutes trying to get his student to agree the president’s immigration policy is a failure and that Trump is a racist.

It’s the latest in a long string of incidents where teachers bring their political bias into the remote learning environment. Had it not been for the precocious 8th grader, this would not have come to light. But the district claims the teacher didn’t do much wrong.

In light of another recent journal entry, some of you might think that I agree with bashing this teacher, as well.
https://soylentnews.org/~Runaway1956/journal/6159

However - I listened carefully to this "expose". Yes, Teach is a liberal, or at least he comes across as a liberal. I disagree with some of what Teacher says. But, this time, Teacher isn't terribly far off base.

The message I got from his speech was very similar to what Wikipedia will tell you. "You can't use the guy you are writing about as your primary source for information."

The kid seems to be old enough, and mature enough, to understand that when making a report, you should use multiple sources. It's fine to use Whitehouse.gov as one source, but you look further afield to find corroborating sources, or opposing sources.

Yeah, sure, I disagree with Seaman, pretty strongly. I think our border should be secure. SOME OF those people who cross our borders are terrorists - think MS-13. It is most certainly not "racist" to keep illegals out of the country, whether they be terrorists, or they be saints. Illegal is not a race.

So, I disagree with teacher. But, did teacher do "wrong" here? Not that I can see. Maybe if I could evaluate Teacher's interactions with the class for a few weeks, I could condemn him. Does he spend his teaching time belittling other students for supporting conservatives? Maybe not - he DID state pretty clearly that it would be just as wrong to make a report on Biden, using Biden's campaign site as a sole or primary source for information.

What do people think about this one? I think that Mr. Seaman may warrant a mild scolding from the administration - or not. He probably should be subjected to a bit of scrutiny, because no teacher should be indoctrinating students into his own political views.

On the other hand, teachers shouldn't have to shy away from controversial issues. The right leaning articles seem to be over reaction based on what I'm seeing here. This is not the sort of abusive conduct that I saw in the previous journal entry.

Soylent's Fiction: But Sir, I'm Just a Robot

Posted by mcgrew on Sunday October 25 2020, @01:10AM (#6301)
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I hate robots.
        Well, not really, they’re useful. I just hate them when they talk.
        Like George. It talks. And it’s really stupid.
        The evening it was delivered I was already in a bad mood from work. Getting it out of the box wasn’t easy; its outside was steel or something. It’s really heavy. I should have just cut the box off.
        I turned it on. It said “Can I help you, sir?”
        I glared at it. George looked morose, if in fact a robot can actually look that way. “Why do you hate me, sir?” it asked.
        I didn’t want the damned thing. My daughter ordered it for my birthday.
        Damned kids.
        “What makes you think I hate you?” I said ignorantly.
        It blinked. This was a really creepy robot.
        “Your eyes.”
        “My eyes?” This was one really creepy robot!
        “They tell me.”
        “How?”
        “The way they look. Be honest, you hate me.”
        “No, my daughter bought you for me. But I do hate hearing a robotic voice.”
        “But why, sir?”
        “I don’t know. Maybe it’s because of all the telemarketing robots. Like you’re going to try to sell me something I don’t want and don’t need.”
        “But sir, I have nothing to sell. I’m the product.”
        “That’s another thing, it’s like slavery. I’m glad you’re not more human looking.”
        “But sir, I’m just a robot. A machine. No different than your vacuum sweeper or garage door opener.”
        “They don’t look human and they don’t talk.”
        “But why should that bother you?”
        “I don’t know. Now get me a beer and shut up.”
        “What is a ‘beer’? That word isn’t programmed.”
        I sighed. “It’s a cold beverage in a can. It’s in the refrigerator.”
        “What’s a refrigerator?”
        “Hell, just sit down and shut up. Wait, follow me.” I walked into the kitchen and pointed to the refrigerator. “That’s a refrigerator.” I opened it and got a beer, and pointed to the word “beer” on the can. “Beer!” I said.
        “Why is it so much smaller than the word ‘Budweiser’?”
        “Look, just shut yourself down.” He... oh, hell, I’m anthropomorphising. It shut up, stopped moving, and stood there like a statue. I went back in the living room and set my unopened beer on the coffee table and looked through the packaging for a user manual.
        I found it, and cursed—like everything else these days, it was only four small pages ending in a URL. I looked up the URL on my phone, and it had no mobile version and was unreadable on a phone.
        I got my tablet out of the desk drawer, and the battery died as soon as it booted. Smoke was probably coming out of my ears by then.
        I got out the charger, plugged it in, and turned it back on. I opened a browser and put in the URL.
        It was identical to the four page booklet. I looked up their number and dialed it.
        A robot answered, of course. I’ll bet my face was purple by then. The robot said their offices were closed, and would open at nine the next morning; that’s ten my time.
        My beer had gotten warm. I went back in the kitchen and traded it for a cold one, sat down on the couch, opened my beer, and turned on the TV. The Steelers were playing the Rams, it was the second quarter, and the score was fifteen to three in favor of the Rams.
        The next thing I knew, sunlight streaming in the window woke me up. The warm beer was over half full. I poured it into the kitchen sink and started the coffeepot. Only then did I notice, and remember, the stupid robot my daughter bought for me. I’d woken up in a good mood, and the robot soured it a little. I looked at the clock; only quarter after eight.
        By ten I had eaten and showered. I wasn’t in a bad mood but I didn’t look forward to the tech support call, which would almost certainly be with a robot, at least at first.
        It only took twenty minutes to get a human on the phone, a woman with some sort of very heavy accent, who said “Ha keen I hope e-you, seer?”
        “Yes, my daughter bought me one of your robots...”
        “White Moe doll, seer?”
        “I’m sorry, what?”
        “Woot Moe dole?”
        “What model? Is that what you said?”
        “Yis, seer.”
        “It’s a George forty two. It doesn’t...”
        “A joorj?”
        “Yes.”
        “Wart is its prue blum?”
        “Its what?”
        “Pro bloom.”
        “Oh, problem. It doesn’t seem to be programmed, it didn’t even know what a refrigerator is.”
        “Oh, tay sheep robots have jess oh is. Fool pro-game is axtra.”
        It figures, damned greedy corporations. “How much?”
        “Tune tee fie hun net doolers.”
        “Twenty five hundred bucks? The hardware is only five hundred!”
        “Yis, seer. Bot it con larn.”
        I hung up the phone, my good mood completely destroyed. Sure, I can afford twenty five hundred. I’m not poor, I own and run a small restaurant down the street from my house, but the price was ridiculous. I wondered where in the world that woman was from, I’d never heard that accent before.
        I left the stupid robot standing in the kitchen, shut off, and crossed the street and walked down to the restaurant; we open at eleven. As usual, the walk and the sunshine helped my mood.
        Linda, the waitress, showed up right after I did. The cook didn’t.
        The phone rang and Linda answered it. After she hung up she announced that Walter, our elderly cook, had just called in sick. It looked like I was the cook today.
        The regulars started coming in; construction workers, bankers, cops, all kinds eat here. Today was going to be extra busy.
        About an hour later the thought struck me: could I teach George to cook?
        Late afternoon came, along with the evening manager and the evening cook. I walked home, did a little work on my bookkeeping, and finally went in the kitchen and pressed the robot’s “on” button.
        Unlike the first time I pressed the button, it didn’t say “Can I help you, sir,” instead just making a whirring sound for a few seconds. Had it broken?
        “Robot!”
        “Yes sir?”
        “Tech support says you can learn.”
        “Yes, sir.”
        “How?” I asked as I got out a cold one.
        “By watching and listening.
        “Okay, do you know how to get a beer?”
        “Yes, sir, you showed me yesterday.”
        “Get a beer and lay it on the end table.”
        “What’s an end table?”
        I sighed. “The table at the end of the couch next to where I sit.” What a stupid robot! It did, though, lay the beer on the end table. I put the one in my hand back in the fridge, sat down in the living room, and opened the beer.
        Nothing was on television, so I watched whatever dreck was showing before going to bed. The robot plugged itself in and recharged.
        The next morning after I woke up, I woke the robot up. “Now watch me, robot. I’m going to perk some coffee and cook eggs, bacon, and toast.”
        I cooked breakfast as the coffee was perking, explaining as I went. “There are different ways of frying eggs, this is over easy.”
        I felt strange eating in front of the robot. Silly, I know, since it eats electricity. But still, I ordered it into the kitchen. It went in the kitchen silently, having not yet said a single word all morning.
        By ten I told it to follow me. We crossed the street and walked down to the restaurant, the robot behind me, obviously being literal. I went in and it followed me. I got the cash register ready and went in the kitchen to turn everything on, with the robot three paces behind me all the time.
        Creepy.
        “Wait here,” I told it.
        The phone rang. It was Walter, and I could tell from his raspy voice and coughing that he was pretty sick, even before he said he was. I told him to get some rest, although it was obvious he was in no shape to do anything else.
        Linda came in shortly later, and went in to the kitchen and shrieked. I ran in there. “What’s wrong?” I worried.
        “Oh, that thing startled me,” she said. She frowned. “That thing isn’t going to wait tables, is it?”
        “No, of course not. Our patrons wouldn’t stand for it, but I’m going to teach it to cook.”
        “You’re not going to fire Walter, are you?”
        “No, of course not. But when he can’t come in I’ll let the robot do it.”
        “Is it programmed?”
        “Not yet. I’ll start teaching it today.”
        “You know how to program robots?”
        “I’ll find out tomorrow morning when it makes my breakfast. I hope Walter feels better tomorrow, but the way he sounded...” I shook my head. “I’m afraid he’s going to wind up in the hospital.”
        “Really? He didn’t sound too bad yesterday,”
        Three construction workers came in, so Linda had to cut the conversation short. I went in the kitchen.
        When Linda brought the order I said “You awake, robot?”
        “Yes, sir.”
        “Okay, pay attention now. This one’s easy, cheeseburgers and fries for all of them. First...”
        Luckily, it was a light day. When we got home, I told it to cook a rare ribeye, with green beans and mashed potatoes, all of which I’d showed it how to make. It didn’t actually make the potatoes, as there were some left from the day before, so I showed it how the microwave works.
        It came out exactly like we served at the restaurant, except for the potatoes. I was very surprised; I’d thought it would be terrible. I showed the robot how to load the dishwasher and turn it on, which is kind of weird; a robot putting dishes into another robot.
        The vacuum cleaner rolled out and started sweeping the floor. I thought about how the vacuum sweeper didn’t bother me, but George did. After all, they’re both robots.
        The next morning George made breakfast as I watched, over easy eggs like I’d had the day before. The eggs came out over hard, and George was apologetic.
        “Don’t worry about it,” I said. “These are over hard, over easy takes a little practice.”
        I ate, showered, and we walked down to the restaurant. Walter called in again, this time from a hospital bed; his influenza had turned into pneumonia.
        George did very well, and Linda did even better. “Wow, I got twice as many tips as I usually do!” she said as she left after the night crew came in. I had George carry some leftovers home for dinner.
        I paid some bills and did other paperwork for work while George was getting my supper together. Like the night before, it was delicious. Yes, it was from the restaurant, but George had cooked it.
        The next morning, George got the eggs fried without breaking the yolks. Maybe I’ll show it scrambled tomorrow.
        At work, Linda came in sniffling and coughing, so I sent her home. It was just me and George today. It seems flu season is early this year, only September. I hoped the flu shot I’d gotten worked.
        Fortunately George had learned to cook most of the foods on the menu. I waited tables and had to apologize that we were “out of” the menu items George didn’t know. Still, it was a hectic day, even though it was a light one.
        When the night shift came in I asked Mary, the night manager, if she would mind working a double shift the next day, since Linda and Walter were both out sick. She agreed, saying she could use the money.
        Before we left, I showed George how to make one of the menu items it didn’t know and had it take it home for me to have for dinner. It was as good as the meal the evening before, and I told him so. “Thank you, sir,” it replied, obviously being pre-programmed for manners. Probably part of its speech subroutine.
        The next morning I showed it how to make scrambled eggs before we walked down to the restaurant. Walter called; the hospital had released him but he was still on oxygen. His doctor had told him he could probably go back to work in a week if he got plenty of rest and water.
        Linda called in sick again, as expected, but Mary was there, although a little late. Two couples came in and sat at the same table. I went in the kitchen waiting for the order as George stood there silently.
        I heard the front door open, followed by a menacing voice from the dining room that said “Don’t move or I’ll shoot. I want all the money!”
        I looked at George. “Can you stop that man who said that until the police arrive?”
        “Yes, sir.”
        “Do it, then. Don’t let him go until I say so.”
        George walked silently into the dining room, but the robber saw him and shot. My ears started ringing loudly.
        The shot had little effect, and the robber shot again as George grabbed the hand with the gun and stood there silently as the thief screamed.
        Less than five minutes after I called 911, even though it felt like an hour, a patrol car pulled up with its lights flashing. A large black police officer got out and came in with his pistol drawn. I saw as he came in that it was Mike, a friend and regular.
        Somebody needs to clean that window, but we’re a little short handed, what with the flu and all.
        “Well, well,” Mike said. “How about that! I like your robot, Red, at least if he doesn’t put me out of a job!” George was dented in two places where the bullets had struck. Mike said something into his radio as two more police cruisers pulled up with their lights flashing.
        They shut off the lights and left.
        “You,” Mike said to the “suspect”, “Put your left hand behind your back and drop the gun,” his free hand on the barrel of the robber’s weapon. When he let it go, I told George to release him.
        Mike handcuffed him and read him his rights. “This is Robert Wilson,” he said to me, looking at the man’s identification. “There’s a thousand dollar reward for this guy, so I guess your robot is rich, at least for a robot.”
        He took statements from everyone there, put Wilson in the back of the squad car, and drove off. I apologized to the patrons. “Sorry about the wait and commotion, folks. Lunch is on me today.” Mary took the order to the kitchen and I called the police station to see about the reward. They said I’d have to come down there and fill out some paperwork.
        I told Mary that I would be back shortly and told George to do whatever Mary said to do, walked home to get my car, and drove to the police station. It took a couple of hours after I got there, and they said the money would be deposited in my bank account in a week. I drove home and walked back down to the restaurant.
        When I got back I told George there was a thousand dollars for him in a week.
        “But sir,” he replied,” I’m just a robot. Why would I need money? You own me so you own it.”
        I didn’t know what to say. I was actually starting to get used to him, especially since he not only saved the cash receipts, he earned another thousand bucks for me.
        When we got home I showed him how to dust, sat down in front of the television and had him get me a beer.
        The next day was Sunday, and we’re closed Sundays. It was a pretty warm day so I decided to play a round of golf. I called Harry, a friend and fellow golfer. He said he was at the bar, come have a beer with him first. I threw the clubs in the trunk and had George sit in the passenger seat; he was going to be my caddy.
        “Come in with me,” I told him when we got to the bar. “I want to show you to Harry.” We walked in and sat down next to Harry.
        “Hey, Red, what the hell is that thing?” he said, grinning.
        “My new caddy, my daughter bought it for my birthday last week. What do you think?”
        “I don’t know, I never thought about getting one. What does it do? I’ve heard programs are expensive for them.”
        Fred, the bartender, put a Bud in front of me. I laid the money on the bar and said to Harry “Yeah, they are, but they’re really easy to program. I have it cooking at the restaurant until Walter can come back to work. And he stopped the place from being robbed yesterday and I got a thousand bucks out of the deal.”
        “Huh? How?”
        “There was a reward for the guy who tried to rob us, apparently there have been a string of robberies lately.”
        “No, I mean how did it stop him?”
        “Just walked up and grabbed the guy by the wrist. He got shot twice before he got the guy’s wrist.”
        “Is it hurt?”
        “Robots don’t feel, but there are dents where the bullets hit.”
        “Must be some pretty thick steel.”
        The bartender came back. “Another one, fellows?”
        “Sure,” Harry said.
        I sighed. “Not quite yet.” He brought Harry’s Miller Lite.
        Six beers later I staggered out the door, golf forgotten. I was glad I didn’t live in my great grandpa’s time. Before all the cars drove themselves you had to hire a cab home from a bar.
        It struck me that the car itself was a robot. I’d never thought of a car as a robot before.
        I opened another beer when I got home and passed out on the couch.
        The next morning I woke up on the couch with a terrible hangover. I should have known better than to meet Harry in a bar! Especially on Sunday; Mondays are bad enough without a hangover.
        After breakfast we walked down to the restaurant. I got the register set up, and Linda called and said she’d probably be in tomorrow, the next day for sure. I called Mary, who was pleased to get the overtime. She lives close, and was there in twenty minutes, right before the first two patrons of the day. I went in the kitchen as Mary took their order.
        Before the order came, the robot picked me up and rushed out of the room, yelling “Danger! Evacuate!” It had me through the door in no time, everyone except Mary right behind. The robot sat me down and ran back inside, coming out with Mary in its arms right before the ground shook from a large explosion.
        We heard fire trucks before we knew what was happening. I hadn’t seen anyone holding a phone; then I remembered the restaurant’s alarm system.
        Two fire crews showed up. It had to have been fewer than five minutes; these guys were good.
        They also eat at my place. Mary had fallen, but didn’t need medical attention, although one of the paramedics checked her out.
        “Does anybody know what the hell happened?” I asked.
        “I do, sir,” the robot replied, “I detected natural gas. That would account for the explosion.” Just then a police cruiser pulled up and stopped. Mike got out.
        “My God! What happened?” he asked worriedly. “Is everybody all right?”
        “Yeah,” Mary said. “I tripped and hurt my shoulder a little but nobody got hurt seriously. That robot saved all our lives!” It was only then that I realized that George had indeed saved all of us.
        “Yeah, he did,” I agreed. “Thank you, George!”
        “No thanks are needed, sir. I’m just a robot doing what I was programmed to do. Almost all operating systems these days have the Asimov laws built in, or at least a subset.”
        “I’m thanking you anyway. I need to call my insurance agent and start cleaning up the mess. George, come with me.”
        Mike said “Wait a minute, not until the fire inspectors are done. Your insurance guy will want to come out first, too. We’ll keep the looters out, and the health department is going to make you throw all the food out, anyway. Don’t worry, I’ll call you.”
        “Okay, I guess I’ll be at home. See ya! Come on, George.” I started to cross the street behind the fire truck, and something shoved me hard. I was on my way to the ground as I heard an incredibly loud crashing sound when something solid hit me on the head and I passed out.
        I woke up slowly and woke up groggy. It took a minute to realize I wasn’t in my own bed, and another minute to notice the tube in my nose and another in my arm. I was so groggy it still took another minute to realize I was in the hospital. I found the “call” button and summoned a nurse.
        “How are you feeling today?”
        I chuckled. It hurt. “Not as good as yesterday!”
        “You were unconscious yesterday.”
        “What happened? I don’t remember much.”
        “That’s not surprising, you had a nasty concussion. You also have three broken ribs and a punctured lung.
        “Your robot saved your life. A city bus lost its brakes and steering at the same time and hit the fire truck at about twenty five or thirty miles an hour; the bus attendant died and there were injured passengers and an injured firefighter. Your robot shoved you out of the way right before the accident.
        “Where is George?”
        “George?”
        “My robot.”
        “Oh, I’m sorry, sir, it was totaled.”
        My heart sank. He had kept us from being robbed and saved my life twice. And he had died for me! I didn’t say anything.
        “Well, you know where the call button is. If the pain gets too bad, push this button here and the IV will automatically give you morphine with your saline drip. Is there anything I can do for you now?”
        “No, thank you,” I said, just as Mike came in with my daughter and another young lady.
        “Daddy!” Opal exclaimed.
        “Hi, sugar. Hi, Mike.”
        “Hi, Red. This is Sara Williams, she’s the insurance adjuster.”
        “Hi, Sara, glad to meet you.”
        “You, too. We have a check ready for you.”
        “Already? That was fast!”
        “We try. Would you like us to get construction and cleanup started?”
        “You bet, it looks like I’ll be laid up for a while. How bad was the damage?”
        “The kitchen’s back wall is gone, the kitchen was totaled but there wasn’t much damage to the rest of the building.”
        Mike said “How ya feelin’, buddy?”
        “Not too bad. It only hurts when I laugh.”
        Opal said “I’m sorry the robot got smashed but I’m really glad you weren’t!”
        I grinned. “Me too.”
        I went home two days later. The first thing I did was to order a new George.
        I was still on oxygen, using one of those portable oxygen generators. The doc says another month and I can get rid of it. None the less, I drove down to the restaurant to see how work was coming; I was in no shape to walk that far. They told me I could reopen in three days, but the Health Department will have to inspect it first. They were just installing kitchen equipment.
        My new George came two days later. I got him out of the box easy this time, just cutting the box away from him. I turned him on.
        “Can I help you, sir?”
        Somehow his robot voice didn’t bother me any more. I smiled. “Hello, George, let me show you around.”

What Americans *Really* Think...

Posted by NotSanguine on Saturday October 24 2020, @07:06PM (#6300)
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There's a whole lot of "discussion" around here about what Americans think about issues of import.

The results of broad-based polling may surprise you.

A recent (23 October 2020) Fivethirtyeight.com piece discusses the results of such polling, both as differences *between* parties as well as within them:

So which issues divide Democrats, and which ones divide Republicans? Two polls released this week, one conducted by the New York Times and Siena College and the other by PRRI, a nonpartisan organization that focuses on the intersection of religion, culture and public policy, provide some fresh answers.

Issues that divide Democrats

  • A national mandate for a coronavirus vaccine: 47 percent of Democrats supported a national mandate to take a COVID-19 vaccine if one is approved by the Food and Drug Administration, and 48 percent opposed it, per the New York Times/Siena poll of likely voters, which was conducted Oct. 15 to 18. This is an unpopular idea with the broader American public — only 18 percent of Republicans voters and 32 percent of likely voters overall supported such a mandate, according to the poll.
  • more liberal presidential nominee: About 45 percent of adults who identify as Democrats or Democratic-leaning independents said that they had initially favored Sen. Bernie Sanders (31 percent) or Sen. Elizabeth Warren (14 percent) during the Democratic primary, per the PRRI survey, which was conducted Sept. 9-22
    [...]
    Democratic voters are firmly behind Biden in his race against Trump. But there is a sizeable bloc in the party who favored more liberal candidates, and divisions between this more liberal bloc and the party’s more centrist bloc are likely to emerge if Democrats have total control of Washington next year — or even if Democrats control the presidency and the House.
  • Reparations: Exactly half of Democrats (50 percent) said they supported economically compensating African Americans who are the descendants of enslaved people, and almost exactly half (49 percent) opposed this idea, according to PRRI. This is an unpopular idea, more broadly — only 27 percent of Americans, including 5 percent of Republicans, supported reparations.
  • Religion: 46 percent of Democrats said they felt that religion causes more problems in society than it solves, while 53 percent of Democrats disagreed with that sentiment. Only 38 percent of Americans overall said that religion creates more problems than it solves, compared to 61 percent who disagreed with that sentiment, including 79 percent of Republicans.

Issues that divide Republicans

  • Trump’s speech and behavior: 46 percent of Republicans said they wished that Trump’s speech and behavior was “consistent with previous presidents,” compared to 53 percent who disagreed, per PRRI. That was a popular sentiment with the broader public — 68 percent of American adults and 84 percent of Democrats wished Trump acted more like his predecessors.
  • A public health insurance option: 45 percent of Republicans supported a government-operated health insurance plan that all Americans could enroll in, while 47 percent opposed this idea, according to the New York Times/Siena poll. This was also a popular idea overall — 67 percent of Americans, including 87 percent of Democrats, supported a public option.
  • State and local government policies to limit the spread of COVID-19, such as requirements to wear masks: 56 percent of Republicans said state and local governments are taking “reasonable steps to protect people,” while 43 percent said those moves are “unreasonable attempts to control people,” per PRRI. These policies were broadly popular — 76 percent of Americans, including 94 percent of Democrats, said state and local governments were taking reasonable steps.
  • A mini-Green New Deal: 46 percent of Republicans opposed a “$2 trillion plan to increase the use of renewable energy and build energy-efficient infrastructure,” and 45 percent of Republicans supported it, according to the New York Times/Siena survey.
    [...]
    Sixty-six percent of Americans, including 89 percent of Democrats, supported this idea.
  • Getting a COVID-19 vaccine: 54 percent of Republicans said they would “probably” or “definitely” get a vaccine for COVID-19 if it were approved by the FDA, and 40 percent said they “probably” or “definitely” would not get it, per the New York Times/Siena survey. Sixty-one percent of Americans, including 69 percent of Democrats, said they would “probably” or “definitely” get the vaccine.
  • The levels of discrimination Black and Hispanic Americans face: About half of Republicans (52 percent) said that Black Americans face “a lot” of discrimation, and about half (47 percent) said that they don’t, per PRRI. Forty-five percent of Republicans agreed that Hispanic Americans face a lot of discrimation, compared to 53 percent who disagreed. Most Americans overall (75 percent) and Democrats (92 percent) said that Black Americans face a lot of discrimination. The numbers were similar but slightly lower for discrimination against Hispanic Americans: 69 percent of Americans and 86 percent of Democrats said that they face a lot of discrimination.
  • Immigration policy: Republicans are about equally split on allowing the separation of families at the border (45 percent supported, 53 percent opposed), protecting people who were brought to the U.S. as children but are not citizens from deportation (45 percent supported, 54 percent opposed) and creating a pathway to citizenship for undocumented immigrants (48 percent supported such a pathway, 38 percent said they should be deported, and 14 percent said they should be allowed to become legal residents but not become citizens). A clear majority of Americans overall opposed separating families at the border (76 percent) and supported a pathway to citizenship (64 percent), as well as granting legal resident status to immigrants who would benefit from either the DREAM Act or DACA, commonly referred to as “Dreamers” (66 percent).
  • A universal basic income: 52 percent of Republicans supported guaranteeing all Americans a minimum income, compared to 48 percent who opposed such an idea, per PRRI. Seventy percent of Americans overall, including 88 percent of Democrats, supported a UBI.

I encourage everyone to read the piece in its entirety.

That said, I think it's clear that there isn't a lot of uniformity in either party, and that the practical divisions between us are smaller than the stuff that unites us.

Congresswoman O'Crazio Cortez

Posted by Runaway1956 on Friday October 23 2020, @04:13PM (#6283)
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Muh feeliez iz hurt!

AOC blasts GOP lawmakers for calling female colleagues by nicknames
By Kenneth GargerOctober 23, 2020 | 1:58am

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez blasted Republican lawmakers for calling female legislators by nicknames after President Trump twice referred to her as “AOC” in Thursday night’s debate.

“I wonder if Republicans understand how much they advertise their disrespect of women in debates when they consistently call women members of Congress by nicknames or first names while using titles & last names when referring to men of = stature,” Ocasio-Cortez tweeted early Friday morning.

“Women notice. It conveys a lot,” she wrote.

The Queens-Bronx congresswoman said her popular nickname, “AOC”, was born out of the community and should be reserved for “the people.”

“Government colleagues referring to each other in a public or professional context (aka who don’t know me like that) should refer to their peers as “Congresswoman,” “Representative,” etc. Basic respect 101,” the lawmaker added on Twitter.

Trump, while answering a question about balancing climate change and the economy, used the term “AOC plus three” two times during the debate.

The “plus three” is an apparent reference to Reps. Ilhan Omar, Ayanna Pressley and Rashida Tlaib, whom Trump also routinely refers to by another nickname, “The Squad.”

https://nypost.com/2020/10/23/aoc-blasts-gop-lawmakers-for-calling-female-colleagues-by-nicknames/

The QOTD seems appropriate here:

The aim of a joke is not to degrade the human being but to remind him that he is already degraded. -- George Orwell

Yo, DeathMonkey

Posted by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday October 23 2020, @02:25PM (#6282)
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Turns out the "Proud Boys" intimidation emails came from a mail server in Estonia and appear to be of Russian and Iranian origin. Oops. Guess you'll have to switch to the "muh Russians" narrative instead of "muh racists".

Starlink Australia

Posted by takyon on Thursday October 22 2020, @10:17PM (#6273)
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SpaceX Starlink internet seeks final approvals to serve Australia

SpaceX has begun applying for Starlink gateway licenses in at least four Australian cities – Broken Hill, Boorowa, Wagin, and Pimba – in one of the final steps needed before Starlink internet can begin operating on the continent.

[...] SpaceX must gain a final, more challenging regulatory approval by obtaining a spectrum license that will allow the Starlink satellites to communicate to ground stations that are based in Australia. The ACMA stated that SpaceX’s “inclusion in the determination does not confer a right on that entity to obtain a license, rather it is a prerequisite before a space apparatus license can be issued.” Carrier license thus in hand, a spectrum license is still needed to ensure that Starlink does not interfere with existing Australian communications services.

I know I've got to be insane, but how about batch?

Posted by Freeman on Thursday October 22 2020, @08:34PM (#6271)
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(Updated post with additional information and better formatting.)

So, I've been tinkering with batch scripts and have noted it's a real pain to do calculations in batch. Especially, when you want to use fractions, take user input, etc.

I've mostly just used random internet sites to help me get unstuck / figure out what piece I want to do. At first it started out as me wanting to make a tiny calculation and has ballooned into some weird exercise. My little batch script has ballooned into a 3k line monster. I know I could be doing things a bit better, but now that I'm pretty much done with it, I'm not likely to go back and fix anything. (Yes, I could do it much quicker and simpler in Python or *insert random language*.)

Still, I'm curious, if anyone has a goto place for help with batch scripts?

Here's the place I got a good bit of helpful tips from: DosTips - The DOS Batch Guide

Exmaple code, if you're interested:

@echo off
setlocal enabledelayedexpansion
title Doing Stuff
color 0a
echo Welcome to the Doing Stuff Program
echo Created by SomeCrazyPerson
timeout /t 4
cls

:start
set something=placeholder
echo 1. Will it fly? (Lift ^> Gravity)
echo 2. What's here?
echo 3. Why should I care?
echo x. Exit
echo ?. Help
set /p "question=Choose a number:"
if "!question!"=="" set question=0
::Check for Special Characters and change them.
::Some don't like to be changed to nothing.
::The others were changed, to their numerical counterpart.
set "question=!question:>=0!"
set "question=!question:^=6!"
set "question=!question:(=9!"
set "question=!question:|=0!"
set "question=!question:&=7!"
set "question=!question:<=0!"

if not '%question%'=='' set question=%question:~0,1%
if '%question%'=='1' goto fly
if '%question%'=='2' goto here
if '%question%'=='3' goto sharingiscaring
if '%question%'=='x' goto end
if '%question%'=='X' goto end
if '%question%'=='?' goto help

echo Entry is not valid, please enter "1", "2", "3", "x", or "?".
echo(
pause
cls
goto start
exit

:fly
echo Example fraction calculation.
echo 1/2
set num1=1
set num2=2
set /a num1=%num1%*10
set /a result=%num1%/%num2%
set /a resultpt1=%result%/10
set /a resultpt2=%result% %% 10
echo 1/2 is %resultpt1%.%resultpt2%
echo(
pause
cls
goto start
exit

:here
goto start
exit

:sharingiscaring
goto start
exit

:help
echo Some help you are.
echo(
pause
cls
goto start
exit

:end
cls
exit

The nappy headed fuck

Posted by Runaway1956 on Thursday October 22 2020, @05:19PM (#6270)
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Why? Hell, I ain't really sure.

He can't sing.
He can't dance.
He hangs with women of ill repute.
Has probably done more drugs than Trump & Biden combined. (Probably not as much as Hunter though.)
Doesn't have a single plank in his platform.
The only platform he's ever seen was at the subway.
He has some kind of faith, and believes in God.
Not sure if he has ever held an honest job, or earned an honest dollar, but who cares?
Has never engaged in, or funded, a revolution that I'm aware of.
Hasn't been caught cheating on his taxes, that I'm aware of.
I don't think he kicks puppies. (He looks like someone who might rub a cat's fur backward though.)

I figure he's about as qualified as anyone else on the ballot.

Yeah, I said I'd probably vote for JoJo. Well, shit, there were like 80 or 90 people on the ballot for president. I fell asleep twice, scrolling toward the bottom. Literally half of the physical ballot was taken up listing presidential and VP candidates.

Maybe if the silly fuck wins, things will get better. It's not like things can get a lot worse than the Ds and Rs have done.