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"I will never start one of those Ari-style public displays on the site"

Edited portion of https://logs.sylnt.us/%23soylent/2019-11-02.html chat.soylent IRC logs, with commentary by your's truly.

[15:49:14] {janrinok} Runaway1956, you think your subs are tech related? You must be joking
[15:50:23] {janrinok} Two of them are about Impeachment - what on earth do you see as the related 'tech' in those stories?
[15:51:35] {Runaway1956} Lemme look - Waymo, reaction engines, GDPR fines, Google, Greta thunberg, neanterthals, spider web rot, Google antitrust, Indian court vs youtube, facebook and Twitter, Google manipulating elections,
[15:51:43] {Runaway1956} those all look kinda techie to me
[15:52:21] {janrinok} ...but not the impeachment stories...
[15:52:37] {Runaway1956} How many impeachment stories are there again?
[15:52:40] {janrinok} 2
[15:52:55] {Runaway1956} two out of how many?
[15:53:03] {Runaway1956} Come on, Jan
[15:53:23] {janrinok} oh, you are only counting today's stories. Let me go back and count - grin
[15:53:35] * Runaway1956 smiles
[15:54:03] {Runaway1956} please bring the results back as a percentage of all submissions
[15:54:19] {janrinok} you even claimed last weekend that you were posting subs to counter Ari's subs. Well, they will all get treated just the same
[15:54:49] {Runaway1956} I hope so - leave my subs that counter his up just as long as his remain in the queue
[15:55:16] {janrinok} not my call alone
[15:55:51] {Runaway1956} What? You mean, it's alright to leave his ridiculous subs up to be browsed, but mine have to come down?
[15:56:40] {Runaway1956} I kinda make it a point to put a policital story up to counter Altstarchus subs

Now there is a need for a #FreeRunaway!!! hashtag. Get on it, Soylentils! Speak up against the repression of free speech!

[15:57:04] {FatPhil} alternatively, you could both just desist.
[15:57:15] {Runaway1956} I would go along with that
[15:57:16] {janrinok} No, as soon as enough editors have made their decision then we act. And some are just so fed up with crap submissions they do not even bother to comment on them.
[15:57:48] {Bytram} in general, either one editor or another will take a story sub that interests them, o/w it sits in the queue for about a week to make sure everyone has a chance to select it (if they want).
[15:57:59] {Bytram} and what janrinok said
[15:58:07] {FatPhil} the US is only 4% of the world, the rest of the world might just be getting bored with your idiotic in-fighting.
[15:58:17] {Bytram} if it sits there for over a week or so, then it gets declined to clean things up
[15:59:05] {Runaway1956} I agree with most of what has been said here - have no problems with any of it
[15:59:34] {Runaway1956} but I'll observe that Altstarchus subs often sit there, while my own pol subs come down
[15:59:47] {Runaway1956} his shouldn't sit there for a week, if mine come down in ten minutes

Wherein Runaway1956 discovers life is not fair.

[16:00:08] {janrinok} what does it matter how many crap subs from someone there are in the sub queue - why do you feel the need to 'counter' them? They are not released and are not viewed as representing the interests of our community.
[16:01:11] {Runaway1956} they sit there, available to be browsed, and the do reflect on SN - someone unfamiliar with the site might expect that subs in the queue WILL BE published to the front page
[16:01:37] {janrinok} do you need to counter Spam or any other kind of subs that will get rejected. Or do you think that your own political war with Ari is what this site is about? Put your counter subs in your journal!
[16:02:12] {Runaway1956} lol - I feel so special, to be singled out here
[16:02:46] {janrinok} You are not here to police the subs queue. If you want to volunteer to help out do so, but filling the queue with more rubbish does not make our job any easier.
[16:04:12] {Runaway1956} I don't think I should volunteer, because I'd probably delete every Altstarchus sub the moment they appeared - unless he accidentally made a good sub
[16:04:24] {janrinok} You are not <del>be</del> <b>being</b> singled out - other than Ari who else does the same thing?

[16:05:58] {janrinok} If you immediately deleted any of Ari's subs then you would be doing what we have promised NOT to do - you would be allowing your political bias to affect your choice of stories. You will find that Ari has 2 stories published this weekend.
[16:06:57] {Bytram} janrinok++
[16:06:57] {Bender} �karma - �janrinok: 60
[16:07:36] {Runaway1956} Sorry, with Ari, it isn't a political bias - the bias is against childish wankers who believe that they can control both SN and the site's political leanings
[16:08:06] {Runaway1956} I disagree with several people here, politically, but we don't get into big shitfests over it
[16:08:28] {janrinok} his subs don't get accepted if they are rubbish. How are they controlling the site. The only person Ari is controlling is you by making you react to everything he does.
[16:08:58] {Runaway1956} Nahhhhh, he isn't controlling me, I'm goading the big dummy
[16:09:06] {Sulla} janrinok++
[16:09:06] {Bender} �karma - �janrinok: 61
[16:09:20] {janrinok} er, he is goading you, but you are too stupid to see it

Oh, dear! Let truth and justice flow like a deluge from the heavens!

[16:09:21] {Runaway1956} he makes idiot noises, I poke him, he whines
[16:09:50] {Runaway1956} You are, of course, entitled to your view of the process, and your opinion, as well as your political views
[16:11:40] {janrinok} which is precisely why I pointed out that your stories are not predominantly tech related. Many are, and most of those get accepted. But if you follow Ari lead or you respond to his goading then you will find your sub acceptance rate mirroring his - something less than 10% at the moment. Is that how you want to be known on this site?
[16:12:55] {Runaway1956} So, uhhh, you appear to be saying that if I make another pol sub, you'll punish me by rejecting tech-related stories as well?
[16:13:02] {Runaway1956} Surely not
[16:13:37] {Runaway1956} Ifully expect my pol stories to be rejected, but all other stories to be accepted or rejected on their own merits
[16:13:40] {Sulla} What was the point of the greta sub?
[16:13:53] {janrinok} no, but if you keep putting your crap in the sub queue 'to counter Ari's then your acceptance rate will fall quickly
[16:14:31] {Runaway1956} Greta is trying so hard to make a statement, and failing - not to mention she is being used

Takeaway on Runaway: he is being used and does not realize when his "tech" subs are actually political dogwhistles. Sad, really.

[16:15:35] {Runaway1956} acceptance rate - kinda like karma, then?

You have no idea, Runaway! I would be 5th on the Hall of Fame for submitters, if rejections counted! I think, maybe not, since we don't publicize rejections.

[16:17:22] {Sulla} Used or not she believes what she says, and its probably hard on her that she has no way to get home according to her own convictions
[16:17:28] {Sulla} feels like kicking a dog
[16:18:56] {Runaway1956} I can empathize with the girl, to some extent, but she HAS made a public figure of herself
[16:19:55] {Runaway1956} I've been stranded far from home, but I didn't invite public scrutiny of myself when I was stranded
[16:20:46] {Runaway1956} Now, maybe someone can explain something to me
[16:21:20] {Runaway1956} How much trouble is it to click a "reject" button, or whatever you guys do to get a sub off the qeue?
[16:22:02] {Bytram} has she no parents to assist her? Or is it that in order to get home she'd need to take a plane and then run afoul of using high carbon when she so espoused using less?
[16:22:34] {janrinok} Runaway1956, none whatsoever - but now you are asking that we leave your subs up as long as Ari's otherwise you will complain.
[16:24:12] {Runaway1956} Jan, I might cry a little here, on IRC, but you may be assured that I will never start one of those Ari-style public displays on the site.
[16:24:28] {Bytram} I'll be quite frank that when the story queue runs low/out, let's just say I do not look to a sub from him as being something I can just quickly review and push out like I could with, say, takyon
[16:24:46] {Runaway1956} But, you will admit that if you are treating Altstarchus differntly than other people, then something is not right in Rightsville
[16:26:13] {chromas} At least 99% of his subs are just shitposts

At least one editor love me! Thanks, Chromas! Now keep those Runaway shitposts up just as long, so SoylentNews can be fair and balanced, like that other "Fair and Balanced" news source!

[16:26:36] {janrinok} No - I have categorically stated that we wait until enough editors have had the chance to read his submissions. Then we act if nobody is interested. Yours are there to 'counter' his by your own admission.
[16:26:52] {Runaway1956} Ari can take a bullet-proof article, that would appeal to almost all of us, and totally fuck it up

[16:26:55] {Sulla} From a QA standpoint if i have a machine that does 98% accuracy and a machine that has 10% accuracy i am more likely to miss a bad part coming from the first than a good post from the second

[16:27:30] {chromas} Runaway1956: in that case, usually someone just strips out his commentary and stuff
[16:28:21] {Runaway1956} - I don't mean to be a pain in your ass - but it is kinda fun too, LOL
[16:29:14] * Runaway1956 looks aorund to see if he has a reputation stalking him
[16:31:00] {chromas} !karma Runaway1956
[16:31:00] {Bender} karma of runaway1956 is 16
[16:31:09] {chromas} Not much of one yet
[16:31:20] {Sulla} !karma chromas
[16:31:24] * chromas herps
[16:31:35] {Runaway1956} lol

Who would think that whining in IRC, with public logs, is not a public tantrum? I have to agree with some of the eds that mimicking aristarchus is probably not an effective tactic, and in fact could be exactly what I was aiming at getting some lesser intellect of the Trumper-base to attempt. Mission accomplished? But Runaway does not have the nuance or subtlety to pull it off. So maybe not.

The only solution is to recognize the political bias of "tech", the things that coders, gamers, "Software Engineers", and the Pay-pal Mafia are woefully unaware of in their political views that are in fact reactionary, conservative, and even fascistic. Not saying they should be censored or deplatformed, but only that they be honest. If that were done, aristarchus submissions would no longer be necessary. Of course, this has nothing to do with Runaway, who is just a rednecked country bumpkin who discovered the internets from an AOL CD, but at least runs Linux.