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php irc bot for posting wiki content

Posted by crutchy on Tuesday March 25 2014, @12:29PM (#226)
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Code

i was inspired to work on this after i saw mention of piping irc to the wiki @ http://wiki.soylentnews.org/wiki/CommunitySupport#Projects

it's been tested some but is still a work in progress.
getting around the anti-spam/anti-bot features of wiki is something i'll have to consult a wizard on.

https://github.com/crutchy-/test/blob/master/bot.php

i'm not a professional programmer so it probably sucks.
any criticisms etc are welcome, and if i can be bothered i may even take them on board, or you can do a pull request if you feel like having a play.

this is my first open source code file :-)

Overhaul of Server Backend

Posted by NCommander on Monday March 24 2014, @06:48AM (#222)
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Soylent

So I'm pretty sure you're all aware, but I've gone through and done a massive amount of work on the backend and infrastructure in the name of sanity, proper user permissions and such, and documenting as much as I can.

As a note, a lot of this was brought on by the fact we have relatively credible threat against the site, so I wanted to go through and make sure everything was in good shape and hardened (there's a lot of good bits here). I might have gone overboard. Here's the cliff notes version of what was done.

  * Static Status Page

http://status.soylentnews.org

This is on boron in /var/www, we should probably move it to Oxygen in case the entire linode DC goes down, but its fine there for now

  * Through documentation on node access, SSH, etc.

Basically, the links here http://wiki.soylentnews.org/wiki/SystemAdministration are required reading for all staff who play with dev, or production.

There are still gaps, varnish, slash, and apache only have limited documentation which is outdated, but I'll try and get those written in the next few days

  * Node renaming

This one might seem silly, but its sometimes hard to know what we're refering to when we talk about webserver/etc and a specific node. While at the moment we have no redundancy, I changed the hostnames of everything. The original soylent-* names are aliased in the internal DNS. List is here:

http://wiki.soylentnews.org/wiki/SystemAdministration/TheHitchhikersGuideToTheli694-22Domain

  * Internal DNS

Major thanks to xlefay for getting this up and running. All nodes exist in an internal li694-22 TLD, and are both forward and reverse resolvable (needed to make kerberos work properly, and make life easier).

  * Dev server

Announced, but falls into stuff done this weekend :-).

  * Varnish

I drastically reworked the varnish configuration file for better performance. The server is considerably more responsive than it used to with apache hit considerably less. As a side effect, slash hitcounts will be skewed as ACs will not be counted.

Rate limiting to prevent DOS was implemented, and xlefay pounded the dev server with some impressive apachebench numbers to confirm we won't go down. The dev server is much more loaded than production due to sharing the database, so I'm optimistic it will take a serious effort to pound us into oblivion with just ab or similar tools from a few nodes.

  * Disabled static page generation

This has been a PITA and on the TODO for awhile. Dynamically generated pages are now used for articles and comments. Varnish caches for ACs on a 5 minute basis. Logged in users get access to the site directly

  * SSL on Production

Doesn't fully work, but I reworked the nginx termination, and the varnish configuration so it is possible to login and use SSL. slash redirects the login to http, but the cookie gets properly set now so if you login SSL then reload the SSL page, it works. Need someone to dig into slash and figure out why ConnectionIsSSL is returning false. Need a volunteer to setup nginx termination on dev to debug.

  * LDAP setup

God, this was a pain, but we have a full LDAP setup on helium now. Replication to boron is on the TODO list, so if helium goes down, SSH authethication goes down, which is a bad thing. People with linode accounts can access the console and log in as root directly

Documentation (with pictures!) here: http://wiki.soylentnews.org/wiki/SystemAdministration/LDAPManagementForDummies

  * Passwords logged and recorded

Went through, made sure every password is saved in a master PW file which is in helium in root's home directory. sysops should keep a local copy of this file as its needed to use lish to access boxes should LDAP be down. Other important passwords like mysql, LDAP, and kerberos are also in this file.

  * Centralized ACLs

All machines require that a user be in the correct POSIX group to access them. List of groups is available here. This ensures that also everyone who has access can have it

http://wiki.soylentnews.org/wiki/SystemAdministration/GroupPermissions

  * SSH Policy

This one probably going to cause me some flack, but you need to go through the staff box (boron) to access any more. I don't like having open SSH ports on any of our nodes because it feels like we have our balls in the wind and a misconfiguration can leave us vulnerable.

I'm not kidding on that last bit. On production for the last month, slash:slash has worked as a username and password to log into the slash account. Using LDAP doesn't solve this as we still have local accounts for things LIKE slash.

Everyone must use SSH public key to autheticate; keys are stored in LDAP and are pulled on the fly by OpenSSH (this required updating OpenSSH on all nodes with a backport).

I know that due to slashd seizing up at a bad time this caused people to get locked out as I haven't gotten SSH keys from most people. I've got 8 users now with keys in LDAP. Right now, I don't have all the sudo files fully massaged, so if you have access to the dev server, you also have full sudo on all nodes. This isn't really desirable as I believe in limiting permissions, but this is a case of preventing us from going SNAP. Looking for someone to work out the necessary sudo voodoo

Also need someone to write upstart files for apache 1.3 so it comes back on a restart (xlefay is doing this, but feel free to work with him)

  * New Node Bringups

lithium (dev server), carbon (IRC server), and oxygen (offsite backup) were brought up this weekend. Bringup documentation was written here: http://wiki.soylentnews.org/wiki/SystemAdministration/TheRiseAndFallOfNewNodeManagement

  * OpenVPN

Setup a OpenVPN server on boron with magic iptables setup to allow oxygen to access all nodes. There's a fair bit of magic going on here, and I don't have the setup documented yet, but its basically following the Ubuntu Serer documentation for OpenVPN, plus a few iptable rules (saved in /etc/iptables.rules) on boron. Should be pretty self-explainatory.

  * Kerberos

To handle users that can't use ProxyCommand, to make life easier for internode stuff, and to be sexy, kerberos was setup to allow single signon. As most people probably never have managed Kerberos, the quick start guide is here: http://wiki.soylentnews.org/wiki/SystemAdministration/KerberosAdministration

Kerberos replication is setup, but not running as I need to make sure everything is sane. KDC master is helium, slave is boron.

  * AppArmored Apache

This was the real reason for the scheduled downtime last week as we had to migrate to apparmor capable kernels. AppArmor is basically SELinux but less braindead, and I handwrote a config that essentially puts Slash in a straightjacket. This should prevent things like process exploitation or a bug in slash from getting any traction. The apparmor config is installed on both lithium and hydrogen and is in /etc/apparmor.d. If you take a look, Apache can't take a piss without explicate permission :-).

(note, this doesn't do much to help us with SQL injections but every bit helps. Nothing short of a full rewrite of MySQL.pm to use stored procedures will fix this. Any takesr? (or migrating us to pgSQL then doing this?)

There's more to do here, slashd should be apparmored as well, but thats more difficult, and as its not directly user accessible, I'm less concerned that with apache itself. Ideally, every userfacing component should be apparmored (nginx, varnish, and slashd), but the former two run under very restrictive user accounts, and slashd only works with data in the database that already passed through Apache, and for the most part is just simple maintenance scripts, so its not that easy to attack.

I need to write up and document apparmor like I did for other things, but its relatively idiot proof to write files, and it makes good logs in /var/log/syslog.

  * Preparations for offsite backup

We've got a dedicated server (oxygen) with a 500 GIB HDD from http://www.kimsufi.com/en/ for €10 a month in France (oxygen) This will be used for offsite backups. xlefay looking and will be implementing this for all nodes.

  * Ubuntu package repo

As we need to maintain at least one backport, and need other things packaged, I setup a Launchpad PPA to do package building and binary distribution to all nodes: https://launchpad.net/~li69422-staff/+archive/backports-for-precise

This repo is added on all nodes. As you need to know how to do Debian packaging to use it, build an example package or two, and then I'll add you to the team. Its pretty straight forward on how to do this.

  * Staff userdir

Any staff can generate a userdir on boron by creating a public_html and using staff.soylentnews.org/~username

bot talk

Posted by crutchy on Thursday March 20 2014, @12:24PM (#207)
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/dev/random

some some notes & snippets from fun with the chat bots in IRC.
times are australian eastern daylight saving time.

[22:25] <@aqu4> crutchy: s/tim/blaat/
[22:27] <crutchy> $sr /i/u/s
[22:27] <@aqu4> s/u/i/
[22:27] <SedBot> <aqu4> /taalb/mit/s :yhctirc

[22:31] <NCommander> O_o;
[22:34] <crutchy> $sr /O_o/o_O/s :rednammoCN
[22:34] <@aqu4> NCommander: s/O_o/o_O/
[22:34] <SedBot> <aqu4> <NCommander> o_O;

[22:39] <crutchy> $sr /O_o/o_O/s :rednammoCN ## yas sb/
[22:39] <@aqu4> /bs say ## NCommander: s/O_o/o_O/

$sr ++nocab
/bs say ## $sr ++nocab
/bs say ## bacon++

yet to try (bender+aqu4+sedbot?):
xyz say first: bacon++
/bs say ## $sr /--/++/s :zxy

Call for Security Experts: Auditing Slashcode ...

Posted by NCommander on Wednesday March 19 2014, @06:49PM (#204)
7 Comments
Soylent

We've recently had a credible threat made against the site w.r.t. to a security exploit on slash. While details are somewhat vague, what little information was posted, combined with my knowledge of slash, and reviewing old security posts on slashcode.com suggests we're looking at a potential SQL injection technique.

While slash does considerable data sanitization, and escapes information coming in (so you can't just "; drop table users;"), there are values that require special sanitization on top of the normal. This has been the source of other XSS and SQL exploits against Slash historically (look at the articles on the main index).

I took a brief look at Environment.pm (where the supposed exploit is supposed to live) and said sanitization, and didn't seen anything that immediately jumped out at me, but it is a *lot* of code to look through. A grep through the access logs suggests that no one has tried to execute raw SQL on the site, but its impossible to know for sure.

If you or someone you know is interested in trying help secure SoylentNews, grab the dev VM, the current git tree, and get auditing. If we're informed of any security exploits (which should be sent by mail, and not posted in the comments), we will patch it here, and informal all other slashcode sites that we aware of about the exploit before releasing information about it publicly on the main index.

Do note that IP addresses, and passwords are hashed in the database (although only with MD5; upgrading to stronger hashing is on the TODO list), so an information leak, while bad, is not catastrophic. We do take regular snapshots of the database and of the machines themselves as well, and we'll make sure to post immediately if we become aware of any specific exploit against the site.

git/github

Posted by crutchy on Friday March 14 2014, @10:16AM (#191)
3 Comments
Code

Currently trying to learn how to use git and github.
http://wiki.soylentnews.org/wiki/index.php/User:Crutchy#Git.2FGitHub

Sometimes it is fun....

Posted by cmn32480 on Friday March 14 2014, @03:35AM (#190)
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/dev/random

to feed the trolls!

Occasionally, I enjoy the hell out of it.

DISTRIBUTED WEB HOSTING CONCEPT

Posted by crutchy on Wednesday March 12 2014, @01:09PM (#180)
9 Comments
Digital Liberty

An idea that came to mind during talk about Soylent hosting on IRC today.
Thanks to Titanium, prospectacle, stderr, useless, swiss, FoobarBazbot and MrBluze for a lively discussion :-)

It started with:
[19:43] * crutchy wonders if a distributed service could be developed... divide the load, build in redundancy and if anyone's host goes down others will pick up the slack
Time is AEDT

The idea has been developed a little bit further since the IRC discussion.

General System
==============
- independent of DNS
- with a distributed model anyone can volunteer to host a node (no single person relied on to front hosting costs)
- system consists of a network of apache host nodes set up by volunteers willing to cover the costs of their host, and users connect to the web service using their web browser with the remote host selected by a launcher program

Host Node
=========
- not required to access web service (only for those who choose to offer to host)
- apache web server configured for web service (mysql, mod_perl, etc as required)
- must periodically execute a script (using crontab?) that requests nodelist from listed nodes and updates local nodelist as required (adds/removes based on some kind of agreement algorithm)
- must respond to nodelist requests from launchers, but can be isolated php/pl/etc script and need not be built into hosted service
- must contain scripts to synchronize data and site source code updates securely with other nodes as required (this will be the tricky bit)

Launcher
========
- user executes launcher to access web service
- no gui
- executable or source downloaded from trusted location (such as debian repository or github) along with nodelist containing one or more known host IP addresses
- purpose is to select a remote host node and open web browser pointed to selected remote host IP address
- before opening browser, a nodelist request is sent to every host in local nodelist, and local nodelist is updated in same way as server nodelist is updated (see above)
- possibly a simple settings file if required
- could be a bash script for Linux and a small Delphi or C program for Windows

On IRC there was concern expressed about security and verification of host nodes.
Since you're using a browser as a client (and all the security features that come with) and you're only receiving normal http responses (otherwise your browser would throw an error), there's only so much bad stuff a host node can do.
Worst case scenario might be that it redirects to goat.cx or some site with driveby downloads (which most browsers will block anyway).
If required a trusted network of host nodes could be formed using signed certificates (perhaps using OpenSSL).

Nodelists may not be that big since there isn't likely to be a huge number of hosts for the same service (such as SoylentNews) but if need be the list could be gzipped. As mentioned earlier, the tricky bit will be synchronizing website data and service application source code, but I don't think it is an insurmountable challenge.

edit: data could be distributed, but would need to be synchronized on all host nodes (the tricky bit mentioned above)

edit: thinking about data synchronizing... would either require modification of the service application to execute a script when data is changed (and script would do the work of sending data to other hosts) or a shell script with a loop that checks for changes to data file timestamps and if change is detected send data files to other hosts. for max efficiency it would be ideal just to post a single mysql insert/modify query whenever data changes, but that would require integration into the main application (slashcode in Soylent's case). you don't want to be sending entire database files around the place whenever there is a change. a good place to start might be to host the data on one or two high performance 'supernodes' until an improved synch system can be developed.

Someone bought http://www.li694-22.org/ :D

Posted by Yog-Yogguth on Tuesday March 11 2014, @12:36PM (#174)
10 Comments
Soylent

As many might know SoylentNews resides on http://li694-22.members.linode.com/¹ and because of this some people were talking and joking about using li694-22 as a new name. It's a cool name, I was tempted myself! Perhaps an even "weirder" inside joke than http//:/..org :)

No need to be tempted any more; a Mr. Watt (not me!) of Washington bought it and pointed it at SoylentNews¹ :)

¹ naturally your cookies are in different jars

Edit: just to practice safe surfing don't log in through redirection or move your cookies manually or anything like that. Not that I would think anything bad would happen in this case but one would never know until it was too late (maybe Mr. Watt suddenly develops an appetite for collecting low UID accounts).

Thoughts on flight MH370 (Boeing 777)

Posted by Yog-Yogguth on Sunday March 09 2014, @04:51AM (#162)
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/dev/random

Since I've moderated and can't be bothered to log out I'll write some thoughts here for my own interest. By no means is this meant to be any kind of complete answer or anything of the sort, just some idle thoughts/speculation.

0.a. It is an entirely unknown failure mode that is sudden and immediately cripples everything. Very unlikely.
0.b. It is an entirely unknown phenomenon that is sudden and immediately cripples everything. Extremely unlikely but not zero.
0.c. A confluence of simultaneous and lasting shoddy operation and systems malfunction in two culturally different countries (Malaysia and Viet Nam). This one is hard to judge; I wouldn't think so on behalf of Viet Nam but they hadn't yet taken airspace control/responsibility for the plane and might not have paid much if any attention to it. Malaysia is fully able to fuck anything up beyond rational belief (*cough* bigoted apartheid-style legislation on the use of a word *cough*) but even so Viet Nam should still have the radar records and be fully able to find anything if there in fact was a more normal disaster.

I guess the simplest ad hoc would be 0.b. with some kind of unusual simultaneous failure of radar range for whatever reason: the signal would then simply disappear giving no clues about anything. If this was caused by some freak meteorological event local to the aircraft it might explain the total lack of everything except debris which might be found later. It might not have to last all that long if the electronics in the plane are knocked out before any remaining related blips on now-functioning radars disappear among the noise. Still extremely unlikely. Inverted clear sky sprite plasma bolts (no such thing is known to exist) or time-space warp bubbles (sorry no link to the paper handy and no such thing is known to exist) or alians!!1 (etc.) or whatever, but who knows.

1. Whether or not some terrorist organization claims responsibility doesn't mean much. Some YKW (You Know Who) organizations claim just about everything or are created solely to claim credit for anything new (like happened for the attacks in Oslo before those claims were discredited) and all it takes for the opposite to happen are a few things:
1.a.1. Whoever did it has discovered and understood the meaning of tactics, and the incident while public in nature is also long term in nature (there are several possibilities here, I'm not comfortable with spelling it out). Somewhat likely.
1.a.2. Whoever responsible simply (and without any deeper thought) doesn't want to draw attention to something that is still ongoing. Fairly likely.

and

1.b.1. For whatever reason(s) the incident fails to trigger knee-jerk claims. Doing something to a flight from a YKW nation to China should naturally avoid most if not all such attention because China is kind of outside the horizon of most YKW despite the recent YKW attacks both in Beijing and western China. Not too unlikely.
1.b.2. Someone figured it was stupid and counterproductive to make bullshit claims and has the clout to stop those who still don't get it. Very unlikely but not impossible.

For a 1.a.2. that passes 1.b.1 it seems very likely that some YKW "Chinese" did this to simply kill as many Chinese as possible. Such YKW "Chinese" aren't known to be big on making public statements of responsibility, in fact they seldom say anything at all (probably it makes them very easy to catch and kill) so that fits.

Oil slicks don't mean much on their own but are often the first thing spotted. If nothing else is spotted (lots of debris floats for a fairly long time) then 0.b. increases.

Sometimes there isn't an answer.

Staff IRC Transcript, Part 3

Posted by NCommander on Friday March 07 2014, @01:49AM (#151)
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Soylent
Mar 05 01:06:29 <paulej72>    And I need dinner
Mar 05 01:06:40 <MrBluze>    ok shall we call this whole thing paused until next round?
Mar 05 01:06:43 <mattie_p>    kobach and pork
Mar 05 01:06:49 <paulej72>    should I leave or should i go now?
Mar 05 01:06:53 <cosurgi>    LaminatorX: topic for you.
Mar 05 01:07:18 <LaminatorX>    I'll be away for a few hours, but will check in later.
Mar 05 01:07:18 <MrBluze>    i need to go do some actual work
Mar 05 01:07:40 <LaminatorX>    Quick, cosy rig?
Mar 05 01:07:48 <Barrabas>    cosurgi: NCommander can add you to the project himself. I'm taking a break :-)
Mar 05 01:08:03 <cosurgi>    Barrabas: ok :)
Mar 05 01:08:29 <cosurgi>    LaminatorX: ?
Mar 05 01:08:32 <LaminatorX>    Autocorrect on my ipad is not kind to anagrams.
Mar 05 01:08:51 <cosurgi>    ahh :)) what about "quick"?
Mar 05 01:09:21 <LaminatorX>    Your topic, is it something quick?
Mar 05 01:09:45 <cosurgi>    LaminatorX: no. it's a full log of revolution that happened in last 3 hours. Starting at 21:47
Mar 05 01:10:05 <LaminatorX>    Email my nick at gmail, or we can catch up later. I need to go.
Mar 05 01:10:31 <kobach>    mattie_p: yes, chorizo specifically
Mar 05 01:10:31 <cosurgi>    ok. simply - if you need a log, just ping me.
Mar 05 01:10:33 <LaminatorX>    Thank you.
Mar 05 01:10:45 *    LaminatorX has quit (Client Quit)
Mar 05 01:10:57 <cosurgi>    ok, I need to sleep now.
Mar 05 01:10:57 *    rdavis (~robind@Soylent/Staff/Sysop/robind) has joined #staff
Mar 05 01:10:57 *    buttercake gives channel operator status to rdavis
Mar 05 01:11:17 <cosurgi>    so goodnight. I set my status to /away, but don't fret if I got disconnected, because my university network is real crap right now (can't `ping 8.8.8.8` !!!).
Mar 05 01:12:43 <kobach>    goodnight
Mar 05 01:14:09 *    robinld has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
Mar 05 01:14:43 <paulej72>    time to go get food. bbl.
Mar 05 01:14:59 <MrBluze>    time to earn my daily bread bbl
Mar 05 01:15:00 *    paulej72 has quit (Quit: paulej72)
Mar 05 01:15:04 *    kobach is sitting here happily chewing away
Mar 05 01:20:24 <mrcoolbp>    audioguy: I'd like to get started with the slashcott idea asap
Mar 05 01:20:42 <mrcoolbp>    we are concurrently working on the mailing list thing but I think this would be huge
Mar 05 01:20:54 <Landon>    mrcoolbp: slashcott idea?
Mar 05 01:21:06 <Landon>    ohh, the staff slash thing?
Mar 05 01:21:13 <mrcoolbp>    yes
Mar 05 01:21:18 <audioguy>    mrcool - which one ? ;-)
Mar 05 01:21:23 <mrcoolbp>    staff slash
Mar 05 01:21:34 <audioguy>    oh, ok.
Mar 05 01:21:44 <mrcoolbp>    how do we get that so it is only vieable by staff?
Mar 05 01:22:03 <mrcoolbp>    we can discuss there, then bring thing before the community on Soylent
Mar 05 01:22:09 <mrcoolbp>    that's how I see things working
Mar 05 01:22:09 <audioguy>    Yes, what I was hoping to do is to try putting some of the stuff we will need to do that in place.
Mar 05 01:22:30 <mrcoolbp>    I see the mailing list as a temporary measure, but I'm not in charge
Mar 05 01:22:32 <mrcoolbp>    = )
Mar 05 01:22:34 <audioguy>    That part is easy, just password proect it
Mar 05 01:22:41 <mrcoolbp>    I'd like to pursue this asap
Mar 05 01:22:45 <mrcoolbp>    can we get that going?
Mar 05 01:23:01 <xlefay>    mrcoolbp: the mailing list is actually something that's intended to be actually used when the server freeze is over it'll be on SN servers afaik
Mar 05 01:23:04 <audioguy>    Yes, we need an archival thing, I am certain of that.
Mar 05 01:23:32 <audioguy>    There are some minor technical things in the way of that right now:
Mar 05 01:23:39 <xlefay>    Archiving is something that's built into mailman
Mar 05 01:23:41 *    mrcoolbp is not aware of the implication of the words xlefay just typed.....
Mar 05 01:23:50 <mrcoolbp>    server freeze?
Mar 05 01:24:15 <xlefay>    No new services on SN servers till the CentOS vs. Ubuntu (Sysops vs. Dev) situation is fixed.. perhaps it is but not quite sure
Mar 05 01:24:42 <Barrabas>    mrcoolbp: Put an apache password in the .htaccess of the dir.
Mar 05 01:24:43 <audioguy>    I cannot create new topics easily, because the admin topic interface is broken. I want that fixed, as doing it by modifying the db is not a good way.
Mar 05 01:25:04 <mrcoolbp>    Barrabas: thanks, I think that is the solution
Mar 05 01:25:16 <audioguy>    Barabbas is entirely correct, it is a 5 minute job.
Mar 05 01:25:20 <mrcoolbp>    audioguy, can we do that?
Mar 05 01:25:30 <mrcoolbp>    get started testing it out so to speak?
Mar 05 01:25:35 <mrcoolbp>    i don't know.
Mar 05 01:25:49 <audioguy>    I could do it right now if I knew for sure I had the authority to do that. ;-)
Mar 05 01:25:50 <mrcoolbp>    we need a system for verifying staff etc
Mar 05 01:26:11 <mrcoolbp>    the slashcott is a test server that we are using actively to develop?
Mar 05 01:26:25 <mrcoolbp>    or just a thing we were messing around with unoficcially?
Mar 05 01:26:26 <Barrabas>    audioguy: Get NCommander's OK and I'll give you a login and PW.
Mar 05 01:26:56 <mrcoolbp>    NCommander is out for work I believe....
Mar 05 01:26:56 <audioguy>    The slashcott server was set up for development, mostly by paul amd me, of html and css stuff.
Mar 05 01:27:06 <Barrabas>    audioguy: Strike that, I'll give him root access and let him handle it.
Mar 05 01:27:16 <audioguy>    I already have root on thast machine, could not di the work else
Mar 05 01:27:17 <mrcoolbp>    Barrabas: that is probably a better optoin
Mar 05 01:27:44 <audioguy>    Root to mrbp?
Mar 05 01:28:27 <audioguy>    I want to make sure NCommader knows and pul, what we are up to.
Mar 05 01:28:36 <audioguy>    and paulj
Mar 05 01:28:44 <mrcoolbp>    audioguy: there's no rush right this second, but I for one, would like to try to move forward with this idea in some way. Let's keep it in mind for now and we can talk later?
Mar 05 01:29:26 <mrcoolbp>    I think it will allow us to organize, I could be wrong......
Mar 05 01:29:27 <audioguy>    Yes, just do not feel comfortable doing that without others clearly on board.
Mar 05 01:29:31 <mrcoolbp>    oh totally
Mar 05 01:29:43 <audioguy>    I want it as much as you do, believe me. ;-)
Mar 05 01:30:11 <Barrabas>    Well, have NCommander E-mail me if he needs the keys to anything. I'm going back to AI (love that field!).
Mar 05 01:30:18 *    Barrabas has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 27.0/20140127194636])
Mar 05 01:30:23 <audioguy>    OK.
Mar 05 01:30:24 <mrcoolbp>    and he was gone.....
Mar 05 01:31:15 <mrcoolbp>    Audioguy: I know I love the idea, and that is my current reccomendation for imroving communication
Mar 05 01:31:30 <mrcoolbp>    I'm thinking we need to literally test it out as a means
Mar 05 01:31:37 <mrcoolbp>    before we can go ahead with it
Mar 05 01:31:48 <mrcoolbp>    seems trivial but I think that's the next step
Mar 05 01:31:58 <mrcoolbp>    let me know after you talk to the guys
Mar 05 01:32:07 <audioguy>    Before being interrupted by the meeting, I was going to test some javascript, then go through all the admin interface and send NCommander a report on what needs to go and stay, etc. So we could do that, and start making fixes.
Mar 05 01:32:08 <mattie_p>    audioguy, assume you have the authority and just do it
Mar 05 01:32:42 <mattie_p>    catching up...
Mar 05 01:32:50 <mattie_p>    slashcott is on CentOS, I heard
Mar 05 01:33:05 <mattie_p>    will need to be ported to ubuntu
Mar 05 01:33:14 <audioguy>    mattie, it is common courtesy. Paul is having others test test, and they need to be able to get in the site. Intil I have everyone with passwords, etc, IT may interfere with what he is doing.
Mar 05 01:33:25 *    MrBluze has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
Mar 05 01:33:58 <audioguy>    Paul is currently eating dinner so unavailable.
Mar 05 01:34:11 <mattie_p>    audioguy, you talking about a code change? they can always decide not to commit
Mar 05 01:34:54 <audioguy>    No, mattie, talking about making slashcott password protected and available only to staff.
Mar 05 01:35:18 <mattie_p>    oh, that?
Mar 05 01:35:22 <mrcoolbp>    mattie_p i was with you on that. He convinced me. They are using that server, I thought it was just there for now
Mar 05 01:35:30 <audioguy>    Yes. See the problem now?
Mar 05 01:35:31 <mrcoolbp>    yes that
Mar 05 01:35:49 <mattie_p>    you have suadmin on it?
Mar 05 01:35:52 <mrcoolbp>    guys I'll be leaving for food in a sec
Mar 05 01:35:59 <mrcoolbp>    I'll be back in an hour or 2
Mar 05 01:36:01 <mattie_p>    I'd recommend you do it anyway
Mar 05 01:36:13 <audioguy>    We have had enough of people wildly going their own way without communicating, do not want to add to that.
Mar 05 01:36:16 <mattie_p>    its primarily staff at this point anyway
Mar 05 01:36:29 <mattie_p>    Talk to NCommander
Mar 05 01:36:36 <audioguy>    I have root on it, yes.
Mar 05 01:36:37 <mattie_p>    but its going to happen anyway
Mar 05 01:36:46 <audioguy>    That is what I plan to do.
Mar 05 01:36:55 <mattie_p>    and it will need to be ported to ubuntu
Mar 05 01:37:14 <mattie_p>    therefore by default it is the dev/test server
Mar 05 01:37:25 <mattie_p>    NCommander might call it edge or test or whatever
Mar 05 01:37:47 <mattie_p>    we are already putting CSS up there first, right?
Mar 05 01:37:58 <audioguy>    yes
Mar 05 01:38:06 <mattie_p>    ok
Mar 05 01:38:28 <mattie_p>    part of the problem with the structure we had before was that we weren't doing anything
Mar 05 01:38:35 <mattie_p>    spinning in circles
Mar 05 01:39:15 <audioguy>    I promise you this will get done, and soon. ;-)
Mar 05 01:39:16 <mattie_p>    we can get staff in if they are somehow missing
Mar 05 01:39:36 *    Barrabas (~chatzilla@Soylent/Staff/Barrabas) has joined #staff
Mar 05 01:39:36 *    buttercake gives channel operator status to Barrabas
Mar 05 01:39:44 <mattie_p>    ok
Mar 05 01:39:48 <mattie_p>    then I recommend you do it
Mar 05 01:40:17 *    mattie_p being fired frees me to say that I wanted a dictatorship at the beginning anyway
Mar 05 01:40:59 <Barrabas>    mattie_p: ubfortunately, dictatorship  would have lost the community at the beginning.
Mar 05 01:41:11 <mattie_p>    No, I don't think it would have
Mar 05 01:41:28 <Barrabas>    That's what the community kept telling me.
Mar 05 01:41:34 <mattie_p>    Dictators are good at throwing bones to the communirt
Mar 05 01:41:41 <mattie_p>    *community
Mar 05 01:41:57 <mattie_p>    who left when we made the site soylent news? noone of consequence
Mar 05 01:42:04 <mattie_p>    who decided that? one person
Mar 05 01:42:10 <mattie_p>    it was a good decision
Mar 05 01:42:12 <mrcoolbp>    I hope I was right to disclude Zak.......
Mar 05 01:42:16 <Barrabas>    That was always to be temporary.
Mar 05 01:42:16 <audioguy>    I think Barrabas is right.
Mar 05 01:42:24 <mrcoolbp>    he seemed to be done with the project
Mar 05 01:42:26 <audioguy>    The situation has changed.
Mar 05 01:42:43 <Barrabas>    mrcoolbp: Who?
Mar 05 01:42:46 <mattie_p>    this was always going to be a bootstrap organization
Mar 05 01:42:52 <audioguy>    In 6 month or a year, it could change again.
Mar 05 01:42:53 <mattie_p>    zford, concur, I think he's gone
Mar 05 01:42:57 <mrcoolbp>    sorry zford
Mar 05 01:43:03 <mrcoolbp>    my bad
Mar 05 01:43:11 <audioguy>    We will find our way, may be some growing pains.
Mar 05 01:43:33 <mattie_p>    anyway, we need to have stuff get done now, and mob leadership isn't the best way
Mar 05 01:43:49 <NCommander>    Alright
Mar 05 01:43:50 <mattie_p>    we'll get feedback, but you have to stick the booger on someone
Mar 05 01:43:51 <NCommander>    I'm back
Mar 05 01:43:53 <NCommander>    I've eaten
Mar 05 01:43:56 <mattie_p>    yay!
Mar 05 01:43:57 <NCommander>    And life is way better
Mar 05 01:44:06 *    NCommander loves the topic
Mar 05 01:44:06 <Barrabas>    NCommander: Slept tonight?
Mar 05 01:44:13 <NCommander>    Barrabas, what's sleep?
Mar 05 01:44:29 <Barrabas>    It's my turn to sleep :-)
Mar 05 01:44:29 <mrcoolbp>    NCommander: email sent
Mar 05 01:44:32 *    NCommander despises his body
Mar 05 01:44:58 <NCommander>    mrcoolbp, very awesome. With luck, mechanicjay will get mailman up today, we can get mass-enlistment done, and officially get this show on the road
Mar 05 01:45:02 <mattie_p>    NCommander, do you think we should immediately turn slashcott.org into a staff-only test/dev site?
Mar 05 01:45:05 <Barrabas>    NCommander: BTW, it that package gets back to me, where should I send it?
Mar 05 01:45:20 <mrcoolbp>    NCommander: what mattie_p said
Mar 05 01:45:33 <NCommander>    Barrabas, lets wait until stateside again to deal with it. I'll trade you a check for your packages :-)
Mar 05 01:45:38 <mrcoolbp>    I'd like to at least test the idea of having staff communication on slashcott
Mar 05 01:45:41 <NCommander>    Barrabas, OH!, and I'll find you something nice as a keepsake from China
Mar 05 01:45:48 <audioguy>    NCommander, read the log just previous
Mar 05 01:46:03 <Barrabas>    NCommander: A keychain would be nice :)
Mar 05 01:46:12 <mattie_p>    I lost mine :(
Mar 05 01:46:17 <mrcoolbp>    NCommander: what mattie_p said
Mar 05 01:46:24 <NCommander>    Barrabas, one GPG keychain, coming up
Mar 05 01:46:26 *    NCommander ducks
Mar 05 01:46:44 <Barrabas>    I actually bought a keychain for mrcoolbp, it hasn't arrived yet.
Mar 05 01:46:54 <NCommander>    Barrabas, I feel the USPS hates you
Mar 05 01:46:55 <Barrabas>    (To be fair, it's a "video recorder" keychain.)
Mar 05 01:47:25 *    mrcoolbp though that was a joke
Mar 05 01:47:29 <mrcoolbp>    Joh ^^^
Mar 05 01:47:33 <mrcoolbp>    John*
Mar 05 01:47:34 <Barrabas>    mrcoolbp: It's not.
Mar 05 01:47:38 <mrcoolbp>    lol
Mar 05 01:47:39 <mrcoolbp>    !!
Mar 05 01:48:03 <NCommander>    audioguy, i'm looking at the backlog and nothing obvious is jumping out at me
Mar 05 01:48:04 <mattie_p>    Can I get a keychain? I kind of promised one to people.
Mar 05 01:48:13 <Barrabas>    Hey, I'm not in charge any more, so go poind sand. It's *my* video recorder keychain now, bub!
Mar 05 01:48:15 <mrcoolbp>    <@mattie_p> NCommander, do you think we should immediately turn slashcott.org into a staff-only test/dev site?
Mar 05 01:48:40 <mattie_p>    That means convert to ubuntu, if not on it already
Mar 05 01:48:41 <NCommander>    mrcoolbp, uh, we can. I'm not sure if there's a lot of point to do so
Mar 05 01:48:43 <mrcoolbp>    we'd like to move forward and test that idea concurrently with the mailing list
Mar 05 01:48:45 <mattie_p>    test and do QA there
Mar 05 01:48:46 <audioguy>    Any problem with me password protecting slascott so we can begin experimenting with using it for staff only?
Mar 05 01:48:53 <mrcoolbp>    IT
Mar 05 01:48:57 <NCommander>    The dev servers should be a thing soonish
Mar 05 01:48:58 <NCommander>    I hope
Mar 05 01:49:10 <mrcoolbp>    it's dual purpose, we are doing our own QA while communicatin!
Mar 05 01:49:18 <NCommander>    mrcoolbp, actually, second thought, lets do that. the initial edge server will still be talking to production's database.
Mar 05 01:49:19 <mattie_p>    "^^
Mar 05 01:49:25 <mrcoolbp>    AWESOME!
Mar 05 01:49:30 <mrcoolbp>    audioguy ^^^^
Mar 05 01:49:34 <NCommander>    mrcoolbp, and I need to do some voodoo to make us use a second theme on edge
Mar 05 01:49:42 <mrcoolbp>    yes
Mar 05 01:49:44 <NCommander>    Like, super voodoo
Mar 05 01:49:46 <mrcoolbp>    that would be helpful
Mar 05 01:49:53 <mrcoolbp>    and much requested
Mar 05 01:49:55 *    mattie_p summons voodoo master
Mar 05 01:50:01 <mrcoolbp>    but not essential right now!
Mar 05 01:50:06 <mrcoolbp>    we need to prioritizer
Mar 05 01:50:14 <NCommander>    mrcoolbp, yeah, dev servers are up there
Mar 05 01:50:14 <mattie_p>    shit, worked last time
Mar 05 01:50:15 <mrcoolbp>    one more thing before leave for food
Mar 05 01:50:45 <mrcoolbp>    NCommander: mattie_p and I are working on a master task list
Mar 05 01:50:49 <audioguy>    OK, I still need to double check this will not interfere with paul in any way, as soon as he is back from dinner.
Mar 05 01:50:53 <NCommander>    mrcoolbp, very awesome.
Mar 05 01:50:59 <NCommander>    mrcoolbp, keep me apprised
Mar 05 01:51:01 <mrcoolbp>    you should review, we need to PRIORITIZE
Mar 05 01:51:03 <mattie_p>    am I?
Mar 05 01:51:04 <mrcoolbp>    we will
Mar 05 01:51:08 <mrcoolbp>    you said you were
Mar 05 01:51:10 <mattie_p>    last I heard I was an editor
Mar 05 01:51:18 <mrcoolbp>    okay you WERE
Mar 05 01:51:19 <mrcoolbp>    no?
Mar 05 01:51:30 <mrcoolbp>    any progress on that mr. editor?
Mar 05 01:51:34 <audioguy>    What I can do is just make it open with ONE username password, until everyone is in, the give people individual ones. Sound reasonable?
Mar 05 01:51:43 <mrcoolbp>    you can send to me and I'll finish mattie_p
Mar 05 01:51:53 <mattie_p>    I'll send what I got
Mar 05 01:51:57 <mrcoolbp>    perfect
Mar 05 01:52:02 <mattie_p>    will take me some time to finish the compillation
Mar 05 01:52:05 <NCommander>    audioguy, just stick a damn .htpasswd on the thing with shared secret
Mar 05 01:52:16 <NCommander>    PROBLEM SOLVED
Mar 05 01:52:20 <mrcoolbp>    mattie_p just send it over if you like
Mar 05 01:52:31 <audioguy>    That is what I just said.
Mar 05 01:52:46 <NCommander>    audioguy, oh, I thought you mean a shared admin password for slashcode
Mar 05 01:52:48 *    NCommander brainfarts
Mar 05 01:53:15 <audioguy>    NCommander probably needs sleep.
Mar 05 01:53:21 <NCommander>    audioguy, can't, have a job to do
Mar 05 01:53:22 <mrcoolbp>    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Mar 05 01:53:23 <NCommander>    RL job
Mar 05 01:55:23 <mattie_p>    RL jobs suck
Mar 05 01:55:26 <mattie_p>    never have one
Mar 05 01:55:27 <xlefay>    zford: did you really resign?
Mar 05 01:56:06 <xlefay>    anyone else feel free to answer that one..
Mar 05 01:56:52 <mattie_p>    2nd hand pm says he ragequit
Mar 05 01:56:57 <mattie_p>    cannot confirm
Mar 05 01:57:35 <kobach>    lol
Mar 05 01:57:39 <xlefay>    I see
Mar 05 01:57:42 <mattie_p>    2nd hand pm says he no longer has root
Mar 05 01:57:44 <mattie_p>    cannot confirm
Mar 05 01:57:57 <xlefay>    hmm k
Mar 05 01:58:10 <mrcoolbp>    he also said he was not in if there was a change in leadership
Mar 05 01:58:16 <xlefay>    mechanicjay?
Mar 05 01:58:22 <kobach>    no, zford
Mar 05 01:58:24 <Barrabas>    mattie_p: Real quick. He's definitely out, so I should remove his privs on linode. Yes?
Mar 05 01:58:33 <xlefay>    mrcoolbp: yeah I decided to read the logs anyway
Mar 05 01:58:43 <mattie_p>    Barrabas if they are not already gone, then probably yes
Mar 05 01:58:56 <xlefay>    I mean, where's mechanicjay? Not sure about his stance?
Mar 05 01:58:56 <mattie_p>    I'm out, so confirm with NCommander if you need to
Mar 05 01:59:07 <kobach>    xlefay: he was in there
Mar 05 01:59:16 <xlefay>    kobach: I know
Mar 05 01:59:32 <mattie_p>    not sure: mechanicjay may still be on board
Mar 05 01:59:37 <xlefay>    you mattie_p?
Mar 05 01:59:47 <mattie_p>    I never had root
Mar 05 01:59:56 <mattie_p>    Don't want it either
Mar 05 02:00:07 <mrcoolbp>    marrie_p: you're "out"???
Mar 05 02:00:08 <xlefay>    I mean, are you still on board with SN
Mar 05 02:00:18 <Barrabas>    mattie_p: Done. And also, zak did not "ragequit".
Mar 05 02:00:20 <mattie_p>    Oh, I'm still onboard with SN
Mar 05 02:00:48 <mattie_p>    Barrabas: I said -2nd hand pm says he ragequit, cannot confirm
Mar 05 02:00:58 <mattie_p>    Just not sure of what I'm doing now
Mar 05 02:01:09 <mattie_p>    should probably eat dinner and edit a story, I guess
Mar 05 02:01:11 <Barrabas>    He and I talked and decided it wasn't working out. It's good both ways.
Mar 05 02:01:27 <mrcoolbp>    Barrabas: you are being extremely civil and helpful about this
Mar 05 02:01:33 <mrcoolbp>    that says alot about you
Mar 05 02:02:13 <mattie_p>    I know everyone likes asking me stuff, but I should probably step back for now
Mar 05 02:02:26 <mattie_p>    While everything gets sorted out
Mar 05 02:02:55 <kobach>    mattie_p: come have pork with me
Mar 05 02:03:01 <mrcoolbp>    mattie_p agreed
Mar 05 02:03:02 *    kobach motions to the chair next to him
Mar 05 02:03:13 <mrcoolbp>    feel free to defer stuff to me if people request?
Mar 05 02:03:16 <Barrabas>    mattie_p: You've been one of the good guys in all this - thanks for the help.
Mar 05 02:03:26 <mrcoolbp>    I'll check with NC on things
Mar 05 02:03:31 *    kobach slides a plate of bacon towards #staff
Mar 05 02:03:40 *    xlefay fetches some bacon :o
Mar 05 02:04:09 *    NCommander eats bacon and kobach's chair
Mar 05 02:04:13 <mattie_p>    I'll send the task list tonight and then chill
Mar 05 02:04:16 <kobach>    :O
Mar 05 02:04:17 <Barrabas>    I htink I'm going to have some pork right now: http://www.google.com/imgres?client=firefox-a&hs=SaM&sa=X&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=sb&biw=1024&bih=1136&tbm=isch&tbnid=hUgUEbiR8ZjZUM:&imgrefurl=http://www.coldbacon.com/kliban2.html&docid=Ynqelq9GfqQsDM&imgurl=http://www.coldbacon.com/pics/kliban/bkpork.gif&w=554&h=371&ei=_XcWU5OZHMqB0AHb9IHQBQ&zoom=1
Mar 05 02:04:27 <mattie_p>    I'll be in bed before 10pm for once, how about that
Mar 05 02:04:28 <kobach>    oh my link
Mar 05 02:04:46 <kobach>    Barrabas: rofl
Mar 05 02:05:33 <Barrabas>    (I've been following him since the beginning. *Love* his cartoons.)
Mar 05 02:05:45 *    xlefay just wants to thank everyone for being generally awesome, even though some things didn't work out. ;)
Mar 05 02:05:56 <xlefay>    'generally' because you all are awesome in a different way
Mar 05 02:06:04 <NCommander>    Barrabas, water may have shot through my nose just now
Mar 05 02:06:10 <xlefay>    End of Love Letter.
Mar 05 02:06:18 <NCommander>    xlefay, you forgot to close your tags
Mar 05 02:06:20 <NCommander>    </letter>
Mar 05 02:06:27 <mrcoolbp>    everyone++
Mar 05 02:06:27 <Cubert>    karma - everyone: 1
Mar 05 02:06:36 <NCommander>    bacon++
Mar 05 02:06:36 <Cubert>    karma - bacon: 18
Mar 05 02:06:41 <Barrabas>    xlefay: You leaving?
Mar 05 02:06:45 <xlefay>    damnit I did didn't I
Mar 05 02:06:48 <kobach>    bacon++
Mar 05 02:06:48 <Cubert>    karma - bacon: 19
Mar 05 02:06:50 <mattie_p>    I think he's back
Mar 05 02:06:57 <NCommander>    wow, bacon appears to be very popular
Mar 05 02:07:01 <xlefay>    No, I just felt like sharing
Mar 05 02:07:05 <xlefay>    NCommander: check #soylent
Mar 05 02:07:06 <stderr>    bacon++
Mar 05 02:07:06 <Cubert>    karma - bacon: 20
Mar 05 02:07:09 <kobach>    NCommander: unfortuneatly im out
Mar 05 02:07:17 <NCommander>    kobach, catch you later
Mar 05 02:07:26 <kobach>    no i meant of bacon
Mar 05 02:07:36 <xlefay>    LOL
Mar 05 02:07:39 <kobach>    i ate all the bacons
Mar 05 02:07:47 <NCommander>    all your bacons are belong to kobach
Mar 05 02:07:49 <mattie_p>    anyway, now that I'm fired, anyone who wants to comment on my management can tell me freely, just shoot a pm and I'll get it
Mar 05 02:07:53 <kobach>    i have 1chorizo and 1 pork burger left
Mar 05 02:07:57 <mattie_p>    eating dinner and taking son to scouts
Mar 05 02:08:02 <Barrabas>    NCommander: I downgraded Zak's access to the linodes. Also, see my E-mail about the BlueHost migration (TL;DR: it's done)
Mar 05 02:08:19 <kobach>    lol mattie_p
Mar 05 02:08:25 <kobach>    whats for dinner
Mar 05 02:08:26 <mattie_p>    NCommander, feel free to remove my suadmin bits
Mar 05 02:08:26 <NCommander>    Barrabas, thanks. I nuked his shell access. I'll get mechanicjay to scrap it off the centos boxes
Mar 05 02:08:37 <NCommander>    mattie_p, mmmm bits
Mar 05 02:08:42 <kobach>    bacon bits
Mar 05 02:08:45 <kobach>    :p
Mar 05 02:08:48 <mattie_p>    dinner is pasta and salad
Mar 05 02:08:51 <mattie_p>    pasta++
Mar 05 02:08:51 <Cubert>    karma - pasta: 1
Mar 05 02:08:53 <kobach>    mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Mar 05 02:08:56 <xlefay>    NCommander: u no nuclear sshfare?!
Mar 05 02:08:58 <kobach>    pasta++
Mar 05 02:08:58 <Cubert>    karma - pasta: 2
Mar 05 02:09:00 <kobach>    salad++
Mar 05 02:09:00 <Cubert>    karma - salad: 1
Mar 05 02:09:48 *    xlefay notes he has yet to eat >.<
Mar 05 02:09:55 <xlefay>    now I'm hungry, thank you kobach!
Mar 05 02:10:20 <kobach>    dont feel bad, im full and want more food, thats even worse
Mar 05 02:10:25 <kobach>    at least you have room
Mar 05 02:10:41 <xlefay>    :P
Mar 05 02:10:55 <kobach>    my stomach is full of pork and cereal
Mar 05 02:11:08 <mattie_p>    hasn't gotten any comments, I must have been pretty mediocre then
Mar 05 02:11:08 <kobach>    im a happy man
Mar 05 02:11:15 <kobach>    mattie_p: we loved you calm down
Mar 05 02:11:18 <mattie_p>    good to know
Mar 05 02:11:23 <Barrabas>    Dinner for me is word salad and copy-pasta. Ih, wait! I don't have to write documents any more! Mmmmmm... relaxed reading for me :-)
Mar 05 02:11:46 <mattie_p>    look, lay it on me, I can take it if I could be better
Mar 05 02:11:53 <mattie_p>    I'll be happy to chat when I get a chance
Mar 05 02:11:57 <kobach>    i dont think you could hav ebeen
Mar 05 02:12:09 <kobach>    unless someone else has a different opinion
Mar 05 02:12:30 <mattie_p>    2nd hand opinion says otherwise
Mar 05 02:12:30 <kobach>    i think you did the best that could be done under the circumstances
Mar 05 02:12:42 <kobach>    well like i said its just my opinion
Mar 05 02:12:44 <mattie_p>    I'd prefer first hand though
Mar 05 02:13:06 <Barrabas>    mattie_p: Here and now?
Mar 05 02:13:15 <mattie_p>    anyway, feel free to talk behind my back, it'll be a couple of hours before I can respond though
Mar 05 02:13:23 <mattie_p>    or shoot me an email, don't really care
Mar 05 02:13:36 <mattie_p>    Barrabas, make sure you have permission before you release names, tho
Mar 05 02:14:02 <Barrabas>    mattie_p: What? I was hoping to get blackmail money for weeks!
Mar 05 02:14:15 <mattie_p>    But I'm willing to listen to criticism, and respond
Mar 05 02:14:28 <mattie_p>    see pretty much all of my posts in the site
Mar 05 02:14:48 <kobach>    well you know my opinion, everyone elses turn
Mar 05 02:14:49 <mattie_p>    and make changes as a result
Mar 05 02:15:29 *    buttercake has quit (Service unloaded.)
Mar 05 02:15:29 *    baconserv (buttercake@services.) has joined #staff
Mar 05 02:15:29 *    services. gives channel operator status to baconserv
Mar 05 02:15:55 <Barrabas>    OK, here's one. With the fever, slicing off my finger, and being generally tired all week, I asked you to let up on me. You told me I had to keep going, told me to finish the "answers" post (and no one else had that deadline), and the vision statement by Sunday.
Mar 05 02:16:34 <Barrabas>    mattie_p: So, you weren't paying attention to your employees' situation. :-)
Mar 05 02:18:37 *    mrcoolbp is back
Mar 05 02:25:56 *    paulej72 (~paulej72@Soylent/Staff/Frontend/paulej72) has joined #staff
Mar 05 02:25:56 *    baconserv gives channel operator status to paulej72
Mar 05 02:26:13 <mrcoolbp>    okay, looks like everyone is left AFK
Mar 05 02:26:24 <mrcoolbp>    I'm going to go spend some time with my wife
Mar 05 02:26:37 <stderr>    Not me... But I am going to the kitchen soon...
Mar 05 02:26:41 <mrcoolbp>    = )
Mar 05 02:28:08 <paulej72>     I am back
Mar 05 02:29:07 *    MrBluze_ (~daniel@Soylent/Staff/IRC/MrBluze) has joined #staff
Mar 05 02:29:07 *    baconserv gives channel operator status to MrBluze_
Mar 05 02:29:38 <MrBluze_>    hmm..
Mar 05 02:30:25 <MrBluze_>    anyone home?
Mar 05 02:30:34 <xlefay>    Knock knock
Mar 05 02:30:54 <stderr>    Who's there?
Mar 05 02:31:00 <MrBluze_>    archy
Mar 05 02:31:13 <stderr>    archy who?
Mar 05 02:31:21 *    MrBluze_ hands stderr a tissue
Mar 05 02:31:29 <stderr>    Thanks...
Mar 05 02:31:33 <MrBluze_>    yw
Mar 05 02:31:42 <MrBluze_>    ok so who's doing what .. and where can i look
Mar 05 02:31:52 <MrBluze_>    or are we not up to that yet
Mar 05 02:32:16 <stderr>    I think the dust needs too settle first.
Mar 05 02:32:20 <mattie_p>    You commited to that like a long time ago, I sent you questions on 1 march, response on 2 march
Mar 05 02:32:20 <rdavis>    dammit i hate msft so much
Mar 05 02:32:22 <MrBluze_>    okay
Mar 05 02:32:43 <MrBluze_>    mattie_p:  huh?
Mar 05 02:33:00 <mattie_p>    oh, sorry, was responding to Barrabas :)
Mar 05 02:33:04 <MrBluze_>    okay
Mar 05 02:33:09 <mattie_p>    I still can't IRC
Mar 05 02:33:23 <MrBluze_>    lol naww it grows on u over time
Mar 05 02:33:29 *    xlefay notes there aren't many good knock knock jokes on the webs to find.
Mar 05 02:33:44 <xlefay>    probably should have looked for knocked up jokes instead, bet there are a ton of those.
Mar 05 02:33:47 <mrcoolbp>    rdavis= ?
Mar 05 02:33:52 <xlefay>    robind
Mar 05 02:34:10 <mrcoolbp>    thx
Mar 05 02:34:16 <MrBluze_>    lol yeah xlefay
Mar 05 02:34:30 <Barrabas>    mattie_p: If you had an employee commit to something and they got the flu, would they still be liable for that schedule?
Mar 05 02:34:41 <MrBluze_>    what did the blondie say when she fell pregnant? ... "gee, i hope its not mine"
Mar 05 02:34:48 <xlefay>    LOL
Mar 05 02:34:51 <MrBluze_>    thee's a knocked up joke
Mar 05 02:34:54 *    rdavis is now known as robind
Mar 05 02:35:01 <robind>    sorry i am like always changing my nick apparently
Mar 05 02:35:03 <mattie_p>    You had replied already when you said you needed days off
Mar 05 02:35:37 <kobach>    no this was like
Mar 05 02:35:41 <mrcoolbp>    mattie_p: I'd use the "Barrabas:" he seems kinda afk
Mar 05 02:35:43 <kobach>    whoops
Mar 05 02:35:43 <Barrabas>    mattie_p: Well, then I guess there was miscommunication. I felt a little put out when you told me I couldn't slack off.
Mar 05 02:35:48 <mrcoolbp>    oh nm
Mar 05 02:36:15 <Barrabas>    mattie_p: Anyway, it's over now.
Mar 05 02:36:56 <mattie_p>    I'm trying to remember using those words
Mar 05 02:37:08 <mattie_p>    I recall thanking you after you gave those updates
Mar 05 02:37:14 <mattie_p>    I'm looking at emails now
Mar 05 02:38:25 <Barrabas>    mattie_p: It might have been on IRC too.
Mar 05 02:38:30 *    xlefay notes he hasn't seen Gaaark for a while.
Mar 05 02:38:56 <mattie_p>    Gaaark resigned, IIRC
Mar 05 02:39:14 *    xlefay notes we do desperately need mailing lists.
Mar 05 02:39:17 <Barrabas>    Anyway, I've got a half-bottle of "pork" left. I'm going to go watch a Mr. Moto movie and relax for a change.
Mar 05 02:39:47 <xlefay>    This is getting ridiculous, why did he resign if I may ask, mattie_p?
Mar 05 02:40:01 *    MrBluze_ is now known as MrBluze
Mar 05 02:40:04 <mattie_p>    xlefay it wasn't tendered to me, so I can't say
Mar 05 02:40:15 <mattie_p>    this was several days ago I heard about it
Mar 05 02:40:15 <xlefay>    hmm k, thx
Mar 05 02:40:49 <Barrabas>    mattie_p: P.S. - We are at page 55 in that book I recommended to you :-)
Mar 05 02:41:01 <MrBluze>    yeah it's important to know who is actually active
Mar 05 02:42:42 <mattie_p>    anyway, off to scouts now, back in a few hours
Mar 05 02:42:51 <mattie_p>    make sure you still have fun
Mar 05 02:43:39 *    mrcoolbp notes that we are working on mailing lists xlefay = )
Mar 05 02:43:59 <xlefay>    I know, but we're waiting on mechanicjay now, right?
Mar 05 02:44:21 <mrcoolbp>    I'm not sure
Mar 05 02:44:26 <mrcoolbp>    I think so though
Mar 05 02:44:37 <mrcoolbp>    if only we had a maili---nevermind
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Mar 05 02:46:01 <MrBluze>    great idea mrcoolbp, we should do a mailout about that idea.. but if only we ha da maili..
Mar 05 02:46:14 <mrcoolbp>    mmmmmmmmhmmmmmmmmmmm
Mar 05 02:46:17 <xlefay>    rofl
Mar 05 02:46:52 *    MrBluze failed the cyclic redundancy check
Mar 05 02:47:35 *    mrcoolbp is really leaving in a sec
Mar 05 02:47:56 <xlefay>    mrcoolbp: go spend time with your wife ;)
Mar 05 02:48:02 <mrcoolbp>    I'll leave you all with this
Mar 05 02:48:03 <mrcoolbp>    http://web.archive.org/web/19980113192107/http://slashdot.org/slashdot.cgi?mode=article&artnum=429
Mar 05 02:48:13 <mrcoolbp>    note this at the bottom:
Mar 05 02:48:17 <mrcoolbp>    "Post Your Comments Here!
Mar 05 02:48:17 <mrcoolbp>    If you don't have anything worthwhile to say, don't say it. If people continue to abuse this feature, I will have to remove it."
Mar 05 02:48:20 <mrcoolbp>    hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Mar 05 02:48:38 <xlefay>    OMG
Mar 05 02:48:45 <kobach>    rofl
Mar 05 02:49:08 <xlefay>    mrcoolbp++ ! :)
Mar 05 02:49:08 <Cubert>    karma - mrcoolbp: 2
Mar 05 02:49:26 <mrcoolbp>    can you imagine if he had decided to remove it?
Mar 05 02:49:35 <mrcoolbp>    wow
Mar 05 02:49:43 <mrcoolbp>    oh Rob
Mar 05 02:49:49 <mrcoolbp>    you made the right choice
Mar 05 02:49:54 <xlefay>    Actually yes, but then none of us would be here right now
Mar 05 02:49:55 <kobach>    LOL
Mar 05 02:49:57 <mrcoolbp>    enjoy that guys. I'll see you soon
Mar 05 02:50:03 <kobach>    mrcoolbp++
Mar 05 02:50:03 <Cubert>    karma - mrcoolbp: 3
Mar 05 02:50:06 <mrcoolbp>    = )
Mar 05 02:50:07 <kobach>    blimpie++
Mar 05 02:50:07 <Cubert>    karma - blimpie: 1
Mar 05 02:50:08 <xlefay>    oke, ciao mrcoolbp, take care now :)
Mar 05 02:50:15 <mrcoolbp>    y'all too!
Mar 05 02:50:17 <kobach>    god i want a sub sandwich so bad
Mar 05 02:50:37 <kobach>    pepperoni and 3 types of salami, roast beef
Mar 05 02:50:42 <xlefay>    best not to program in Perl then kobach
Mar 05 02:50:46 <kobach>    etc
Mar 05 02:50:47 <xlefay>    sub Sandwich { } ...
Mar 05 02:50:52 <kobach>    indeed
Mar 05 02:50:56 <kobach>    i can make it as long as i want
Mar 05 02:50:57 <kobach>    lol
Mar 05 02:51:14 <xlefay>    just imagine working on something serious and then craving for a subway sandwich...
Mar 05 02:51:29 <kobach>    not one from subway but yes
Mar 05 02:51:38 <xlefay>    then reading back an hour ago and finding you just wrote an entire CPAN library for sub sandwich
Mar 05 02:51:38 <kobach>    subway = mcdonalds of sandwiches
Mar 05 02:51:42 <kobach>    i only eat real food :p
Mar 05 02:51:47 <xlefay>    sub sanwich is =?
Mar 05 02:51:55 <kobach>    subway is a restaurant
Mar 05 02:51:57 <xlefay>    We actually have a food establishment called Subway here
Mar 05 02:52:10 <xlefay>    which specializes in sandwiches only.. guessing it's the same there then
Mar 05 02:52:12 <kobach>    sub sandwich is a type of sandwich
Mar 05 02:52:14 <kobach>    yes
Mar 05 02:52:17 <xlefay>    ooh rofl
Mar 05 02:52:31 <kobach>    im talking about like an italian sub
Mar 05 02:52:34 <xlefay>    needless to say, I never go there
Mar 05 02:52:37 <kobach>    good
Mar 05 02:52:41 <xlefay>    damnit I gotta go downstairs
Mar 05 02:52:47 <xlefay>    getting hungrier with every message you write
Mar 05 02:53:07 <xlefay>    :P
Mar 05 02:53:13 <xlefay>    bbs
Mar 05 02:53:21 <kobach>    looooooooooool
Mar 05 02:53:27 <kobach>    my bad :p
Mar 05 02:53:58 <xlefay>    nah it's mine, should've eaten something before I went to sleep ;)
Mar 05 02:55:50 <xlefay>    MrBluze: before I go btw!
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Mar 05 02:56:18 <xlefay>    How about we replace the main website's logo with the one from the Wiki? That one looks much neater, maybe you can float that idea around in Style?
Mar 05 02:56:26 <xlefay>    .voice
Mar 05 02:56:26 *    baconserv gives voice to xlefay
Mar 05 02:56:27 <xlefay>    .bacon
Mar 05 02:56:32 <xlefay>    hmm.. worth a try
Mar 05 02:56:48 <xlefay>    bbs :)
Mar 05 02:58:11 <MrBluze>    oh..
Mar 05 02:58:16 <MrBluze>    i will
Mar 05 02:58:21 <MrBluze>    is there still a style?
Mar 05 02:58:39 <MrBluze>    and we will be redoing the logo
Mar 05 02:58:41 <mrcoolbp>    not sure yet
Mar 05 02:58:56 <mrcoolbp>    we need some art people I think
Mar 05 02:59:09 *    MrBluze isnt sure either
Mar 05 02:59:10 <xlefay>    I suggest all teams organize them as they see fit and then submit that structure as a proposal?
Mar 05 02:59:30 *    xlefay still has to go downstairs..
Mar 05 02:59:38 <MrBluze>    lol ok xlefay ill talk to frogblast
Mar 05 02:59:46 <xlefay>    NCommander: ^
Mar 05 02:59:51 <kobach>    xlefay: the full name is submarine sandwich
Mar 05 02:59:57 <kobach>    fyi
Mar 05 03:00:02 <xlefay>    kobach: sounds lengthy and very wet.
Mar 05 03:00:08 <xlefay>    eh..
Mar 05 03:00:12 <kobach>    which is why they named it such
Mar 05 03:00:14 <MrBluze>    it is if u leave it outside overnight
Mar 05 03:00:16 <xlefay>    that sounded way to worse.
Mar 05 03:00:19 <kobach>    nothing like a good italian sub
Mar 05 03:00:21 *    NCommander is so bloody fried its not even funny
Mar 05 03:00:24 <kobach>    lol
Mar 05 03:00:33 <NCommander>    Not going to get anything useful done today
Mar 05 03:00:33 <kobach>    bedtime yet?
Mar 05 03:00:34 <NCommander>    \o/
Mar 05 03:01:09 <MrBluze>    NCommander:  i leave it to u to work out how u want everything to be regarding the art/graphics side of things
Mar 05 03:01:10 <xlefay>    You probably should sleep yea, however in order to make the teams efficient, do you agree with that suggestion?
Mar 05 03:01:40 <kobach>    i dont agree with the current feasibility of it, it may not be possible yet
Mar 05 03:01:45 <MrBluze>    its fair enough xlefay but we started off that way a bit
Mar 05 03:02:06 <xlefay>    MrBluze: true but actual teams exists now, if you can organize internally now, it can probably work
Mar 05 03:02:26 *    xlefay still thinks art, style & Frontend should be merged together.
Mar 05 03:02:31 <MrBluze>    well we'll just keep going, but its better in some ways that we are working alongside dev
Mar 05 03:02:39 <MrBluze>    yes they are after all only 4 prople
Mar 05 03:02:42 *    kobach is just here for irc
Mar 05 03:03:05 <xlefay>    MrBluze: then for efficiency sake, just use the one name Style
Mar 05 03:03:09 <MrBluze>    at some point i just want to get on and create content
Mar 05 03:03:22 <xlefay>    If need be, you can always setup "task forces" later on
Mar 05 03:03:26 <xlefay>    for specific aspects
Mar 05 03:03:40 <MrBluze>    style or art .. i dont care i just wanna know where i am so i can get on with it ;)
Mar 05 03:03:42 <MrBluze>    yeah
Mar 05 03:04:01 <xlefay>    I'd vote for Style imo, it's a good broad description that actually makes sense
Mar 05 03:04:11 <MrBluze>    yep
Mar 05 03:04:18 <MrBluze>    i guess that's fine
Mar 05 03:04:37 <MrBluze>    basically it's UI design, artwork, look-feel, whatever
Mar 05 03:04:44 <MrBluze>    all the fluffy stuff
Mar 05 03:04:49 <xlefay>    MrBluze: then please send me the nicknames of all those in the newly merged "Style" and a general description of Style.
Mar 05 03:05:02 *    xlefay is cooking something up with mrcoolbp, that info is useful
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Mar 05 03:05:32 <MrBluze>    paulej, audioguy, me, frogblast are the active ones
Mar 05 03:05:42 <xlefay>    But are they all staff or volunteers?
Mar 05 03:05:44 <MrBluze>    paulej and audioguy are becoming dev
Mar 05 03:05:52 <MrBluze>    they are staff afaik
Mar 05 03:05:57 <mrcoolbp>    xlefay most everyone is staff at this point
Mar 05 03:05:59 <xlefay>    Will they be dev specifically or will they overlap?
Mar 05 03:06:04 <MrBluze>    overlap
Mar 05 03:06:08 <MrBluze>    because css is style
Mar 05 03:06:13 <xlefay>    So they'll be in two teams at the same time, ok
Mar 05 03:06:13 <MrBluze>    its even in the name
Mar 05 03:06:31 *    mrcoolbp is actually leaving NOW (bye guys)
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Mar 05 03:06:35 <MrBluze>    and i have ppl knocking on the door asking to help with smaller aspects
Mar 05 03:07:19 <MrBluze>    but for now thats it.. and i am working with frogblast on making mockups, icon work, logo, color schemes all of that, and UI guidelines and all that folllows that
Mar 05 03:07:34 <xlefay>    Feel free to drop a general description for Style and perhaps it's also useful if you write something on a specific wiki page about the scope of style, so everyone's up to date as to what style can and does
Mar 05 03:07:47 <xlefay>    (e.g. perl, won't be in your scope since that's for DEV)
Mar 05 03:08:03 <MrBluze>    i will i'll email u
Mar 05 03:08:18 <xlefay>    Thank you, but please drop the general description in Style and agree with it with your team
Mar 05 03:08:22 <MrBluze>    well the style wiki eplains it all
Mar 05 03:08:33 <MrBluze>    no worries
Mar 05 03:08:37 <xlefay>    after all, people always have enhancements, suggestions :)
Mar 05 03:08:44 <xlefay>    alrighty, thanks
Mar 05 03:08:45 *    MrBluze nods
Mar 05 03:08:46 <MrBluze>    cheers
Mar 05 03:09:39 <xlefay>    Personally, I think this is the easiest way to get the organization through. Cheers ;)
Mar 05 03:09:57 <MrBluze>    http://wiki.soylentnews.org/wiki/index.php/Style#Description
Mar 05 03:10:04 *    xlefay 's stomach mumbles *go downstairs, nowwwwwwww*
Mar 05 03:10:18 <MrBluze>    off u go
Mar 05 03:10:23 <MrBluze>    i will play on the wiki and tidy it up
Mar 05 03:10:50 <xlefay>    Great, thanks!
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Mar 05 03:20:06 <paulej72>    I recommend that we disband #frontend and #qa.  I can move all of that into #dev
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Mar 05 03:29:41 *    NCommander is seriously on fumes
Mar 05 03:30:49 *    Bado here's that. Developed a nice headache today (which I never get) from dicking around with too much data whilst working on some migration functions from one system to another
Mar 05 03:33:27 <MrBluze>    hi bado
Mar 05 03:33:33 <Bado>    Hola!
Mar 05 03:33:43 <MrBluze>    agreed paulej72
Mar 05 03:35:42 <MrBluze>    paulej72:  are u still happy to be on style, etc with audioguy?
Mar 05 03:35:53 <MrBluze>    otherwise i will basically reduce the scope of it
Mar 05 03:36:51 <paulej72>    I think at this point both of us should be in dev but we will be the point guys for css and stuff
Mar 05 03:36:56 <MrBluze>    on fumes, NCommander? u mean smoking?
Mar 05 03:37:07 <NCommander>    MrBluze, lack of sleep
Mar 05 03:37:09 <MrBluze>    ok i take u off the list
Mar 05 03:37:15 <MrBluze>    oh yeah u need rest
Mar 05 03:37:25 <MrBluze>    get some sleep lol
Mar 05 03:37:47 <MrBluze>    paulej72:  and i will wind the style thing back - not much to do ;)
Mar 05 03:46:35 <xlefay>    and I haz food!
Mar 05 03:47:21 <MrBluze>    wb
Mar 05 03:47:28 <xlefay>    thx
Mar 05 03:48:21 <NCommander>    MrBluze, can't, I'm at a conference and expected to attend
Mar 05 03:48:23 <NCommander>    I think I can escape to my room in an hour so so and take a nap
Mar 05 03:49:02 <MrBluze>    hard yards
Mar 05 03:51:36 <MrBluze>    off i go
Mar 05 03:53:30 <paulej72>    xlefay: can you kill #frontend and #qa
Mar 05 03:53:38 <xlefay>    sure
Mar 05 03:53:46 <xlefay>    done
Mar 05 03:54:13 <NCommander>    xlefay, can you make me a god in idlerpg?
Mar 05 03:54:15 *    NCommander ducks
Mar 05 03:54:16 <NCommander>    (j/k)
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Mar 05 03:54:35 <xlefay>    Still figuring out how to make myself just that
Mar 05 03:54:43 <xlefay>    haha j/k :p
Mar 05 03:54:44 <stderr>    NCommander: You just have to say "make me a god" in the channel.
Mar 05 03:54:47 <xlefay>    I do seem to have lost so much :|
Mar 05 03:54:58 <stderr>    Try it...
Mar 05 03:55:04 *    xlefay went from #1 to #3... I blame stderr
Mar 05 03:55:19 <stderr>    :-)
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Mar 05 04:23:41 <xlefay>    I'll bbl ;)
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Mar 05 04:50:17 <martyb>    Hi Barrabas!  How you feeling these days?
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Mar 05 05:00:20 <Barrabas>    I'm just lurking.
Mar 05 05:00:49 *    martyb_afk is now known as martyb
Mar 05 05:01:02 <martyb>    Barrabas: as was I.  seems quiet tonight.
Mar 05 05:01:29 <martyb>    Barrabas: Hope you are getting over your bug.
Mar 05 05:01:59 <Barrabas>    martyb: NCommander's in charge of everything ATM. Peste him.
Mar 05 05:02:04 <Barrabas>    pester
Mar 05 05:02:17 <paulej72>    too much excitement for most today
Mar 05 05:02:35 <martyb>    paulej72: guess I missed it.
Mar 05 05:03:06 <martyb>    paulej72: I noticed I got logged out of SN a couple times today, so I suspect changes were rolled out to the main site?
Mar 05 05:03:34 <paulej72>    martyb: nothing on SN, but check the link in the channel topic
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Mar 05 05:04:02 <martyb>    paulej72: on my way. back in a bit.
Mar 05 05:08:52 <martyb>    paulej72: Hmmm, I may be a while ...
Mar 05 05:09:05 <xlefay>    martyb: recommendation: skip most of it
Mar 05 05:09:08 <janrinok>    Hi gys, Middle of the night here but I can't sleep - just popped in to see if anything is happening.
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Mar 05 05:09:43 <paulej72>    janrinok: just getting martyb caught up
Mar 05 05:09:43 <xlefay>    martyb: the gist of it: tl;dr Barrabas "temporarily" handed over the keys to the castle to NCommander. NCommander might/will pay for the initial start up costs of SN that Barrabas made. And we're going to get shit done.
Mar 05 05:09:54 <janrinok>    so I see
Mar 05 05:10:28 <martyb>    xlefay: thanks for that... still digesting it.
Mar 05 05:10:42 <xlefay>    Although, I don't see how it makes sense for NCommander to pay for it if it's only temporarily...
Mar 05 05:12:13 <janrinok>    xlefay: If he's happy it keeps everything tidy until the dust settles, but I think I share your feelings.  I'll be happy to chip in but, at the moment, that will only complicate matters IMHO
Mar 05 05:14:37 <Barrabas>    martyb: The long and the short of it is that I desperately need a break and no one would let me. NCommander got me angry, so I gave him control of the project.
Mar 05 05:14:52 <xlefay>    janrinok: I'm not sure. I might chip in /after/ there's enough clarity in how we're going to proceed.
Mar 05 05:15:28 <janrinok>    OK, perhaps I misunderstood :)  - Nothing new for me...
Mar 05 05:18:08 <Barrabas>    xlefay: It's not temporary, it just hasn't been finalized. The idea is that he pays me back for startup costs, and he takes the project lock, stock and barrel.
Mar 05 05:18:51 <xlefay>    "lock, stock and barrel"? Not familiar with the meaning of that
Mar 05 05:19:16 <janrinok>    xlefay: it means 'everything'
Mar 05 05:20:17 <Barrabas>    xlefay: It's a metaphor expression, it refers to a rifle. It means "everything".
Mar 05 05:20:41 <Barrabas>    lock => flintlock mechanism.
Mar 05 05:21:56 <xlefay>    I see, English metaphors might be the most illogical part of your language
Mar 05 05:22:04 <stderr>    Barrabas: From the log it sounds like a temporary thing, but maybe I misunderstand what "23:51 <@Barrabas> NCommander: Be aware, I've not decided for certain." means.
Mar 05 05:22:08 <xlefay>    s/illogical/indirect/
Mar 05 05:22:16 <janrinok>    Barrabas: Do you not think that you could find a role after a rest?
Mar 05 05:24:06 <MrBluze>    nah, the people are the most illogical part
Mar 05 05:24:56 <xlefay>    MrBluze: "lock, stock and barrel" to say 'everything' seems excessive, illogical and indirect to me. Hence my comment about English metaphors.
Mar 05 05:25:16 <xlefay>    Metaphors is the way in English to be indirect. :)
Mar 05 05:25:41 <Barrabas>    stderr: Officially I'm still running the show. I kept the option open as a backstop "just in case" something goes wrong. The understanding is that he's in total control.
Mar 05 05:25:53 <janrinok>    xlefay: you might have hit the nail on the head there ;)
Mar 05 05:26:38 <Barrabas>    xlefay: Sometimes colorful phrases and powerful imagery can make a point better than direct words. It all started with the Iliad, when Homer wrote "It was a wine-red sea".
Mar 05 05:27:12 <xlefay>    I'm really afraid to ask if that's another metaphor..
Mar 05 05:27:43 <Barrabas>    IIRC, that's the first usage of written metaphor.
Mar 05 05:27:46 <janrinok>    I was! it means 'correct'
Mar 05 05:28:12 <xlefay>    'It was a <wine->red sea' so what's the "wine" supposed to mean?
Mar 05 05:28:38 <xlefay>    (besides the liquor, that is)
Mar 05 05:28:52 <janrinok>    xlefay: Sorry, I thought that you were referring to my comment.
Mar 05 05:29:16 <Barrabas>    Grape wine is frequently reddish (Burgundy). By alluding to the metaphore image, it gives a more powerful and deeper meaning than just "it was a red sea".
Mar 05 05:29:22 <xlefay>    janrinok: no worries, I actually did understand that metaphore
Mar 05 05:29:28 <janrinok>    lol
Mar 05 05:29:58 <stderr>    Barrabas: The log makes it seem like it's a temp thing. Then you say that NCommander gets everything. And then you say that you're still running the show... That's very confusing and looks like the communication problems people have been talking about for a while...
Mar 05 05:29:59 *    xlefay really doesn't understand people.. why didn't they just call the red sea, grape wine sea... would've made much more sense.
Mar 05 05:30:07 <mechanicjay>    Hey all -- it's time for me to break things
Mar 05 05:30:43 <xlefay>    then one could say, "it was the grape wine sea." ;)
Mar 05 05:30:46 <stderr>    mechanicjay: W00T!!!
Mar 05 05:30:48 <xlefay>    mechanicjay: uh oh, whatcha breaking?
Mar 05 05:30:57 <paulej72>    mechanicjay: what are you breaking tonight
Mar 05 05:31:02 <mechanicjay>    I'm going to flip the DNS record for mail.soylentnews.org to our linode box -- if anyof you erm..don't get any email...erm, let me know?
Mar 05 05:31:04 <MrBluze>    xlefay: because people are poets
Mar 05 05:31:06 <xlefay>    Glass? Walls? Golf clubs? Vis sticks?
Mar 05 05:31:14 <xlefay>    MrBluze: really bad ones at that.
Mar 05 05:31:19 <Barrabas>    xlefay: Ever read Sherlock Holmes? The phrase "He is the Napoleon of crime" is brief, but powerfully evocative.
Mar 05 05:31:22 <stderr>    mechanicjay: Ok, we'll send you an email...
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Mar 05 05:31:30 <xlefay>    oh... the MX, that's less exciting.
Mar 05 05:31:57 <xlefay>    Barrabas: can't say I have. Probably never will now.
Mar 05 05:32:08 <stderr>    mechanicjay: I assume you have tested stuff already? telnet to port 25 isn't that hard...
Mar 05 05:32:18 <paulej72>    mechanicjay: as I do not have a soylentnews email yet I say go for it
Mar 05 05:32:37 <mechanicjay>    yeah, been testing and ironing out little config things for the last couple hours
Mar 05 05:33:07 <mechanicjay>    getting mailman to cohabitate with a generic postfix mailserver isn't quite as straightforward as you might hope.
Mar 05 05:33:17 <Barrabas>    xlefay: Are you saying that you don't use metaphor or similar constructs?
Mar 05 05:33:24 <mechanicjay>    ..also it's been *years* since I've done a mailman setup.
Mar 05 05:33:31 <mechanicjay>    so, relearning etc etc
Mar 05 05:33:31 <xlefay>    We probably do but I prefer to be more direct.
Mar 05 05:34:06 <xlefay>    mechanicjay: it isn't that difficult iirc from the last time I set it up manually, just tidies.
Mar 05 05:34:15 <xlefay>    tidies? tedious?
Mar 05 05:34:29 <mechanicjay>    tedious -- I'd call it fiddly myself
Mar 05 05:34:50 <xlefay>    I see, thank you.
Mar 05 05:35:05 <stderr>    Tenacious? D?
Mar 05 05:35:16 <mechanicjay>    xlefay: what's your native language?
Mar 05 05:35:22 <stderr>    Damn it... Now I have to visit youtube...
Mar 05 05:35:25 <Barrabas>    MrBluze: Do you know of any poets from the Netherlands?
Mar 05 05:35:28 <xlefay>    Dutch.
Mar 05 05:35:34 <mechanicjay>    cool
Mar 05 05:35:41 <MrBluze>    uhhh
Mar 05 05:35:44 *    xlefay searches for the definition of Tenacious......
Mar 05 05:35:49 <MrBluze>    no, but some damn good painters
Mar 05 05:35:49 <kobach>    lol back w/ food
Mar 05 05:35:52 <xlefay>    ugh I hate you people :P
Mar 05 05:35:58 <xlefay>    kobach: bacon?
Mar 05 05:36:01 <mechanicjay>    ...I think I remember that now through a haze of exhaustion.
Mar 05 05:36:03 <kobach>    no, sub sandwich
Mar 05 05:36:09 <stderr>    xlefay: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZBwgz-ANwA
Mar 05 05:36:17 *    Barrabas has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
Mar 05 05:36:26 <xlefay>    kobach: with bacon?
Mar 05 05:36:35 <kobach>    no unfortuneately
Mar 05 05:36:38 <kobach>    just an italian sub
Mar 05 05:36:42 <kobach>    :(
Mar 05 05:36:47 <xlefay>    if it doesn't contain bacon, it ain't food.
Mar 05 05:36:50 <xlefay>    kobach--
Mar 05 05:36:50 <Cubert>    karma - kobach: 0
Mar 05 05:37:00 <kobach>    :(
Mar 05 05:37:10 <stderr>    If at first you don't succeed... Add more bacon.
Mar 05 05:37:15 <MrBluze>    ok bbs
Mar 05 05:37:16 <kobach>    hmmmmm..... cereal... and bacon....
Mar 05 05:37:23 *    MrBluze is now known as MrBluze|afk
Mar 05 05:37:24 <paulej72>    how about this chain amavisd postfix dovecot squirrelmail
Mar 05 05:37:25 <xlefay>    oh god stderr...
Mar 05 05:37:36 <stderr>    xlefay: Yes? :-)
Mar 05 05:37:43 <kobach>    tommorow i will quest to my local pig farmer to get bacon
Mar 05 05:37:48 <xlefay>    rofl...
Mar 05 05:38:01 *    Barrabas (~chatzilla@Soylent/Staff/Barrabas) has joined #staff
Mar 05 05:38:01 *    BaconServ gives channel operator status to Barrabas
Mar 05 05:38:08 <mechanicjay>    paulej72: how about it?
Mar 05 05:38:22 <stderr>    xlefay: I see that you know my true name... Excellent...
Mar 05 05:38:41 <xlefay>    rofl: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXlu4guvWDE&list=PL8HjrIXeC667Qy63stFQswXhxB2MUOHLm ;)
Mar 05 05:38:58 <paulej72>    That is what I have been using on my mail servers, but I do not have mailing lists built in, but fiddly as hell to set up
Mar 05 05:39:01 *    xlefay finally grabbed his wireless headphones from downstairs...
Mar 05 05:39:04 <kobach>    lol
Mar 05 05:39:21 <mechanicjay>    yes, actually have that same setup for my personal server
Mar 05 05:40:00 <paulej72>    on centos?
Mar 05 05:40:09 <mechanicjay>    suse
Mar 05 05:40:46 <mechanicjay>    so it's fiddly, with the German difficulty of stuff being over-engineered.
Mar 05 05:40:48 <xlefay>    exim + dovecot + spamd + mailman
Mar 05 05:40:57 <kobach>    lol
Mar 05 05:41:21 <Barrabas>    xlefay: Since there seems to be a communications issue, I'll be direct. Unless something changes, NCommander will be taking over the project entirely. That means finance, vision, and development.
Mar 05 05:41:44 <Barrabas>    xlefay: I'm only holding off by a day or so to make sure that things won't instantly blow up.
Mar 05 05:42:08 <xlefay>    And what if you change your mind in that day?
Mar 05 05:42:49 *    xlefay was already wondering wtf those sounds were, kobach... your youtube link was still open and it auto played other things :O
Mar 05 05:42:51 <Barrabas>    xlefay: Thank you for making up my mind for me.
Mar 05 05:42:58 <kobach>    xlefay: rofl
Mar 05 05:43:09 *    Barrabas has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 27.0/20140127194636])
Mar 05 05:43:16 <xlefay>    Excuse me? I'm asking a legitimate question.
Mar 05 05:43:35 <kobach>    lol
Mar 05 05:43:48 <kobach>    now look what you did
Mar 05 05:44:03 <janrinok>    LOL
Mar 05 05:44:11 <kobach>    damn dutch
Mar 05 05:44:13 <xlefay>    It's a legitimate question. I've seen people change their minds for far less.
Mar 05 05:44:13 <kobach>    lol
Mar 05 05:44:26 <kobach>    im not saying its not, but lol @ the reaction
Mar 05 05:45:45 <xlefay>    Meh, it was a legitimate question, I'm sticking to that.
Mar 05 05:46:17 <audioguy>    I use sendmail, smartlist, and hypermail. Easy to set up.
Mar 05 05:47:32 <audioguy>    Plus spamassassin and some heavy duty blocklists
Mar 05 05:51:10 <mattie_p>    xlefay, as far as I am concerned, NCommander is the man, we do whatever at his whim
Mar 05 05:51:23 <xlefay>    mattie_p: agreed.
Mar 05 05:52:22 *    NCommander just cracked open his email
Mar 05 05:52:28 *    NCommander had 48 emails from Jon
Mar 05 05:52:30 <NCommander>    geeeeeeeeze
Mar 05 05:52:32 <mattie_p>    waits for the explosion
Mar 05 05:52:36 <xlefay>    48?
Mar 05 05:52:38 <xlefay>    woa
Mar 05 05:52:40 <mattie_p>    *boom*
Mar 05 05:53:02 <janrinok>    One word per email?
Mar 05 05:53:37 <kobach>    lol what
Mar 05 05:53:49 <kobach>    lol what
Mar 05 05:54:02 <kobach>    lol what
Mar 05 05:54:11 <kobach>    lol what
Mar 05 05:54:22 <kobach>    lol what
Mar 05 05:54:29 <kobach>    holy hell
Mar 05 05:55:00 <kobach>    thats fucked
Mar 05 05:55:08 <xlefay>    lolwut?
Mar 05 05:55:12 <janrinok>    Finishing with FUUUUUUU
Mar 05 05:55:20 <xlefay>    think I just burned my own eyes out
Mar 05 05:55:24 <kobach>    thats fucked
Mar 05 05:55:38 <kobach>    thats fucked
Mar 05 05:55:43 <xlefay>    .info
Mar 05 05:55:48 <xlefay>    .set mlock +nstPC
Mar 05 05:55:48 *    BaconServ sets mode +C #staff
Mar 05 05:55:50 <xlefay>    :]
Mar 05 05:55:53 <kobach>    thats fucked
Mar 05 05:55:58 <xlefay>    .set mlock +nstPc-C
Mar 05 05:55:58 *    BaconServ sets mode -C #staff
Mar 05 05:55:58 *    BaconServ sets mode +c #staff
Mar 05 05:55:59 <xlefay>    ..
Mar 05 05:56:09 <xlefay>    how about now kobach?:P
Mar 05 05:56:16 <kobach>    thats fucked
Mar 05 05:56:21 <kobach>    :p
Mar 05 05:56:21 <xlefay>    aah :P
Mar 05 05:56:28 <kobach>    i win
Mar 05 05:56:29 <kobach>    lol
Mar 05 05:56:33 <kobach>    there is like
Mar 05 05:56:36 <kobach>    -r or somthing
Mar 05 05:56:41 <kobach>    that blocks reverses
Mar 05 05:56:46 <kobach>    but 48 emails
Mar 05 05:56:50 <kobach>    thats fucked
Mar 05 05:57:03 <kobach>    wow
Mar 05 05:57:10 <kobach>    wow
Mar 05 05:57:16 *    xlefay pats NCommander on his back, that's a lot buddy
Mar 05 05:58:07 *    NCommander sets mode +S #staff
Mar 05 05:58:11 <kobach>    wow wow wow wow wow wow wow wow wow
Mar 05 05:58:14 *    NCommander likes his world slightly more black and white
Mar 05 05:58:32 <kobach>    wow 48
Mar 05 05:58:52 *    kobach hands NCommander a bag of chips
Mar 05 05:59:10 *    xlefay hands kobach tissues, sorry about your bag of chips'
Mar 05 05:59:18 <xlefay>    it's gone now
Mar 05 05:59:29 <kobach>    lol
Mar 05 05:59:47 <xlefay>    no bacon, no ships...
Mar 05 05:59:50 <xlefay>    s/ships/chips/
Mar 05 05:59:52 <xlefay>    rofl
Mar 05 05:59:55 <kobach>    i have lots of cereal though
Mar 05 05:59:58 <kobach>    so its fine
Mar 05 05:59:59 <xlefay>    ooh
Mar 05 06:00:02 <xlefay>    that's good
Mar 05 06:00:13 <kobach>    i ate all my bacon and chips this week
Mar 05 06:00:22 <xlefay>    sucks
Mar 05 06:00:31 <kobach>    well its going to happen eventually
Mar 05 06:00:42 <kobach>    but i went out and bought kraut
Mar 05 06:00:45 <kobach>    some rye bread
Mar 05 06:00:48 <kobach>    i have some butter
Mar 05 06:00:53 <kobach>    gonna make that tommorow
Mar 05 06:01:08 <kobach>    i also bought a couple cans of organic corn and sweet peas and grean beans
Mar 05 06:01:23 <kobach>    ill probably make some of thos ein the next few days also
Mar 05 06:01:49 <xlefay>    hmm wow
Mar 05 06:02:00 <xlefay>    do you guys have kit kat?
Mar 05 06:02:03 <kobach>    yea
Mar 05 06:02:15 <xlefay>    Chunky's?
Mar 05 06:02:19 <kobach>    no
Mar 05 06:03:02 <xlefay>    http://www.kitkatchunky.com/ ?
Mar 05 06:03:15 <xlefay>    you sure?
Mar 05 06:03:31 <kobach>    oh probably
Mar 05 06:04:48 <kobach>    wow 48
Mar 05 06:05:32 <kobach>    loooool
Mar 05 06:06:13 <xlefay>    hmm kobach
Mar 05 06:06:35 <kobach>    yea we have a lot here
Mar 05 06:06:48 <kobach>    so im sure that is
Mar 05 06:07:22 <xlefay>    :P
Mar 05 06:07:48 <kobach>    im just eating honey atm
Mar 05 06:07:51 <kobach>    lol
Mar 05 06:07:56 *    NCommander goes to take a nap