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from the economics dept.

So, COVID-19 (coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2, whatever you call it) sucks a bit for your health but it turns out it sucks a lot for the economy. So we're extending any subscriptions that were going to expire before then out to June first (this may be extended a time or two depending on how well our savings hold up). Yeah, we know we're an extremely small cap entity and that's not going to make a whole lot of difference but it's something we felt we should do anyway for a couple reasons.

First, we as a corporation do not have paid employees. The only people we give money to are our hosts, our registrar, our CPA, and the revenooers. Which we're going to have to continue doing regardless and which we can currently afford to do for a month or two without dire risk of having to make infrastructure cutbacks. Putting money into us during this nonsense doesn't help much in directly putting food on someone's table or keeping jobs from going poof, so we'd prefer you guys put anything you were going to send us to work where it will help at least a tiny bit in keeping the businesses that your neighbors work at afloat. Which is to say, spend it locally.

Second, we're quite fond of the folks who've chosen to financially support the site and we don't want them to get dinged because of something that wasn't remotely their fault.

Now we're not shutting down the site's subscription functionality. If you feel a desire to contribute anyway, we're happy to oblige and we're not going to tell you that you can't. We're not the bosses of your wallets and it would mean extra work for me when I don't really have time to do much of anything code/admin-wise.

Also, we're only doing this automatically for current and new subscribers; we don't want to hit people who weren't interested with an unsolicited email about subscription expiration when we have to shut the extensions down. They may have quit subscribing or even frequenting the site and it's annoying as all get out to keep getting emails from sites you stopped doing business with on purpose. We're happy to handle it manually, though, if your subscription ended any time since the first of the year. Just drop a comment to this journal entry (NOT to THIS story!) and I'll take care of it as often as I have time (at least once a day).

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  • (Score: 2) by bzipitidoo on Sunday April 19 2020, @04:12PM (19 children)

    by bzipitidoo (4388) Subscriber Badge on Sunday April 19 2020, @04:12PM (#984839) Journal

    I've been feeling that SN could use more participation and more users. Worth doing any advertising? Tastefully, of course. Or, how else to bring in more people?

    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday April 19 2020, @04:22PM

      Beats the heck out of me. Any kind of paid advertising likely wouldn't gain us back as much as we spent since we don't have annoying ads all over the place to make money from views, so all I can think of is word of mouth from us folks what already use it.

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    • (Score: 2) by DavePolaschek on Sunday April 19 2020, @04:24PM (5 children)

      by DavePolaschek (6129) Subscriber Badge on Sunday April 19 2020, @04:24PM (#984843) Homepage Journal

      Every time I wear my “SoylentNews is people” T-shirt out in public, I have someone ask me “What’s that?” even if it’s just a neighbor asking from the other side of the street when we’re both out for our morning walkies.

      Has it brought in any new users? Dunno, but there are at least three or four more people in the universe who know that Soylent News is “kinda like slashdot, but smaller and friendlier.”

      • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 19 2020, @04:29PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 19 2020, @04:29PM (#984846)

        > “kinda like slashdot, but smaller and friendlier.”

        You forgot to add that SN has better techies too, even little things get fixed pronto around here!

        • (Score: -1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 19 2020, @04:38PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 19 2020, @04:38PM (#984850)

          even little things get fixed pronto around here

          The Hudson twin's minds are still broken.

      • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 19 2020, @04:47PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 19 2020, @04:47PM (#984852)

        ...and with the best fortune cookies, like the one running now:

        "If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed." -- Albert Einstein

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 19 2020, @10:02PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 19 2020, @10:02PM (#984932)

        Why would you say it's friendlier? Smaller just means it's more vicious and hate-filled.

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 19 2020, @06:18PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 19 2020, @06:18PM (#984869)

      Car stickers! Or any kind of stickers.

    • (Score: 2) by krishnoid on Sunday April 19 2020, @11:48PM (10 children)

      by krishnoid (1156) on Sunday April 19 2020, @11:48PM (#984954)

      What if opt-in advertising was offered? Not a lot of people would take you up on it, but any advertising/sponsorship would add at least *something* to the kitty. You could offer survey space too.

      • (Score: 3, Informative) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday April 19 2020, @11:54PM (3 children)

        I think we pondered it a few years back but decided a few bucks wasn't worth the loss of good will. Or my fishing time.

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        • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 20 2020, @12:01AM (2 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 20 2020, @12:01AM (#984960)

          You are right, you know, slippery slope and all that. GP is a dumbass.

      • (Score: 4, Informative) by martyb on Monday April 20 2020, @05:13PM (5 children)

        by martyb (76) Subscriber Badge on Monday April 20 2020, @05:13PM (#985147) Journal

        What if opt-in advertising was offered? Not a lot of people would take you up on it, but any advertising/sponsorship would add at least *something* to the kitty. You could offer survey space too.

        This was discussed at length early on in the site's history. It was ultimately rejected.

        Revenue from such sources could lay us open to questions of independence in our reporting. "He who pays the piper calls the tunes." No matter how much the editorial staff attempted to distance itself from any such pressure — even if none were exerted — there would be a question of independence. Having no outside funding removes that as a question. Also, we have a technically-oriented audience, so the thinking was the majority of our community already ran ad-blockers. Any advertising we accepted would likely not even be displayed. As I understand it, ad rates are based on clicks per thousand (or million?). We would have such a low click-through that any income would be vanishingly small. Further, to support any ad network would likely require enabling Javascript ads. We have heard a large and vocal "don't do that" from the community in the past. Well, what about self-hosting static ad content? That raises issues of who will do the marketing, billing, implementation, and support of said advertising/sponsorship? Given the minuscule potential revenue, those extra efforts could be better spent on coding and implementing improvements to the site as well as on processing story submissions.

        still further, we cannot ignore the reality that there is currently a pandemic upon us. Many companies have closed down, reduced staffing, and generally speaking there are far fewer ads available. Those that remain are being aimed at those sites which provide user analytics and much larger audiences than anything that SoylentNews could offer. Why deal with a small site for a few thousand ads when one could deal with, say, Google or Facebook or the like and handle millions of ads with just a few contacts? How would we even make contact with those wanting to sell ads and make the case for advertising on our site? Especially in light of the competition posed by long-standing relationships many advertisers have with other sites. We would not be worth the bother. Besides, analytics has been roundly dismissed as a possibility by members of staff and of the community.

        FWIW, I personally strongly dislike advertising. If I want to now about some product, I can do a search, find out what companies have what I am looking for, and read the reviews to help make a decision. The one exception is I do like to watch the Super Bowl(TM) for the ads (some are quite humorous and are occasionally the source of memes that linger for years "Nothing but net", "Like herding cats", and others along those lines. That said, I cannot bring to mind a single ad I saw from last year's game.).

        Because so little potential income is at stake at the moment and the fact that the majority of our community have expressed a strong dislike of advertising, I do not see it worthy of further investigation for the foreseeable future.

        I appreciate your thinking of trying to find an additional source of funding, but ads and/or sponsorship are not a good match for our site.

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        • (Score: 2) by krishnoid on Monday April 20 2020, @08:31PM (1 child)

          by krishnoid (1156) on Monday April 20 2020, @08:31PM (#985213)

          Thanks a lot for the detailed information. This is a great whole-topic summary of many considerations for any other small site (and their subscribers) to consider, whichever route they choose to go.

          • (Score: 2) by martyb on Tuesday April 21 2020, @07:07PM

            by martyb (76) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday April 21 2020, @07:07PM (#985523) Journal
            I appreciate the kind words; thanks for the feedback!
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        • (Score: 1) by RandomFactor on Monday April 20 2020, @09:35PM

          by RandomFactor (3682) Subscriber Badge on Monday April 20 2020, @09:35PM (#985229) Journal

          Many companies have closed down, reduced staffing, and generally speaking there are far fewer ads available.

          Even those that don't have to are reducing spend.
           
          I suppose if everyone reduces advertising, the amount you need to do for the same result goes down as well. Be awfully nice if that was to become a trend.
           
          What's really needed is someone artistic to come up with a great funny SN meme we can put on shirts and other on-demand stuffs that we all want to buy at a ridiculous markup.
           
          I dunno.....Maybe riff off the conveyor belt [imdb.com]....'crackers' have news headline bubbles coming off them. A soylentil on the conveyor belt is reading one bubble that is fully opened into a story.
           
          Course movie studios aren't known for being friendly if you use their IP.

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        • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday April 21 2020, @01:53PM (1 child)

          I'm more or less the same but occasionally I kind of miss a little bit of the useful sort of advertising. I mean, how am I supposed to know if there's a monster truck rally coming to town sunday, Sunday, SUNDAY? Or, you know, other things I might actually like to know of but am not likely to hear about in IRC with you knuckleheads.

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 21 2020, @10:29PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 21 2020, @10:29PM (#985574)

            Too bad with the way advertising seems to work, you'd only hear about a monster truck rally after you bought tickets to it.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 19 2020, @04:45PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 19 2020, @04:45PM (#984851)

    We here at /. are practicing safe sex precautions during this Coronavirus outbreak by using the 6 foot social distancing rule.

  • (Score: 2) by ilPapa on Sunday April 19 2020, @04:55PM

    by ilPapa (2366) Subscriber Badge on Sunday April 19 2020, @04:55PM (#984854) Journal

    Thank you for your service, Soylent News.

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  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by J053 on Sunday April 19 2020, @05:06PM

    by J053 (3532) <{dakine} {at} {shangri-la.cx}> on Sunday April 19 2020, @05:06PM (#984856) Homepage
    That is such a cool act that I just re-subscribed. I kinda let my subscription lapse after I retired last year, but I want to reward good behavior whenever possible. Keep up the good work!
  • (Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 19 2020, @05:08PM (63 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 19 2020, @05:08PM (#984857)

    Cut down on the idiots here and it might make the site more attractive to regular people.

    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday April 19 2020, @05:19PM (20 children)

      Well, if you insist... *bans parent's ipid*

      Seriously though, SN has a way better community than any forum I've ever seen that has anonymous posting and an unwavering commitment to freedom of speech. Without giving anyone the boot except spammers. If best in class isn't good enough for the thickness of your skin, the problem is kind of yours. I'd suggest either growing thicker skin or finding a forum that's okay with shutting down speech you find unpleasant.

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      • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 19 2020, @06:57PM (18 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 19 2020, @06:57PM (#984875)

        It's a good site if you think bigotry, racism, and general rudeness are okay. Why not ban the obvious idiots and steer this site back to its techie roots? I mean, there's freedom and then there's idiots.

        • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 19 2020, @07:48PM (3 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 19 2020, @07:48PM (#984886)

          Fuck you, AC. Why do you want to ban blacks and transvestites from making comments? They have as much right to free speech as anyone. Take your censorship over to SlashDot - you'll love it there since you have to submit to a full background check before posting.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 19 2020, @07:59PM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 19 2020, @07:59PM (#984889)

            He has to submit to a backend probe too. The aliens have taken over /. Some people like that kind of thing though!

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 19 2020, @08:06PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 19 2020, @08:06PM (#984895)

              He has to submit to a backend probe too. The aliens have taken over /. Some people like that kind of thing though!

              You're not really here for the hunting, are you?

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 26 2020, @07:06AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 26 2020, @07:06AM (#987222)

            You do realize that banning bigotry means banning muslims, right?

        • (Score: 5, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday April 19 2020, @08:46PM (9 children)

          You really want me judging what's offensive and what's not? Because I guarantee you it wouldn't be what you think it should. Therein lies one of the primary problems with censorship. The other main one is that you have zero protection once that box is opened up from people saying you're offensive and demanding you be banned.

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 19 2020, @09:06PM (8 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 19 2020, @09:06PM (#984915)

            Not you. We've already seen what you think is okay.

            • (Score: 5, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday April 19 2020, @09:19PM

              Yeah, like most folks who think common sense censorship is okay, you're thinking your version is the only correct one. The problem is, you aren't going to be the one in charge of it, so be very careful what you ask for.

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            • (Score: 3, Informative) by khallow on Sunday April 19 2020, @11:20PM (4 children)

              by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday April 19 2020, @11:20PM (#984951) Journal

              Not you. We've already seen what you think is okay.

              So cognitive dissonance right there. You're talking to one of the administrators. Any implemented censorship would be more likely to reflect his viewpoint than yours. Yet you're still pushing for it.

              • (Score: 2) by RS3 on Tuesday April 21 2020, @05:21PM (3 children)

                by RS3 (6367) on Tuesday April 21 2020, @05:21PM (#985488)

                Yes, but the ACs might all be different people, so it might not be cognitive dissonance, just AC dissonance. :)

                • (Score: 2, Insightful) by khallow on Sunday April 26 2020, @02:20PM (2 children)

                  by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday April 26 2020, @02:20PM (#987289) Journal
                  I based it all on that single quote from that single post. Unless we have AC collectives crafting single posts now by committee or something, it's likely all written by one source. That mini first sentence "Not you." indicates all by itself that the AC implicitly approves of the censoring scheme, and thinks TMB shouldn't be running it. Cognitive dissonance demonstrated.

                  It's a typical, clueless authoritarian impulse - approve of some terrible plan because you instinctively know only the Right People (TM) will enforce it while ignoring how things work in the real world. If the real world worked that way, then where did all those wrong-thinking people and their oft-elected leaders come from?
                  • (Score: 2) by RS3 on Monday April 27 2020, @12:33AM (1 child)

                    by RS3 (6367) on Monday April 27 2020, @12:33AM (#987413)

                    Thank you so much for explaining. It makes perfect sense, and I completely agree with you (now, in word choices.)

                    What I meant (less seriously than this discussion probably is) was: not that many ACs were collaborating, but they all have the name "Anonymous Coward" and we don't know which AC is which, how many of them there are, who's posting what, etc. Sometimes they flamewar among themselves, and for all we know, it's just 1 person wasting the rest of our time. Or 2, or 3, or...

                    I didn't see it as dissonance because most people have some kind of idea of how they want things, laws, societal rules, and they want them enforced. Just not by TMB. Well, maybe TMB can be the enforcer, and others could make the decisions, like in the legal system where you have judges, and jailers.

                    Anyway, I'm probably too tired to write intelligently, so if this doesn't make sense, sorry, I'll update it tomorrow. Thanks again.

                    • (Score: 2, Interesting) by khallow on Monday April 27 2020, @05:46AM

                      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday April 27 2020, @05:46AM (#987468) Journal

                      I didn't see it as dissonance because most people have some kind of idea of how they want things, laws, societal rules, and they want them enforced. Just not by TMB.

                      The dissonance comes in ignoring who will be enforcing those things. I can't help but notice that a lot of the rule enforcers are people with radically different belief systems than myself and often have deep moral failings or engaged conflicts of interest. My view is that if you aren't planning how to constrain people with interests and ideologies hostile to your own when they are enforcing the rules you want enforced, then you're doing it wrong.

                      I think that's a large part of the current hubbub surrounding Trump. There's a bunch of delusional authoritarians who want all kinds of rules for society, just not enforced by that guy. So rather than reviewing their basic axioms that helped lead to all this convenient, abusable rule creation, they're treating this as some affront to reality that will correct itself shortly and never happen again. My view is that it'll happen again and again and again - there will be more Trumps, more Obamas, more Clintons, more Bushes.

            • (Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 20 2020, @01:00AM (1 child)

              by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 20 2020, @01:00AM (#984971)

              Unfortunately, him. Especially him. His thoughts are highly offensive. More, he speaks PERL!!1oneone!

              • (Score: 3, Funny) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday April 24 2020, @12:36AM

                by Azuma Hazuki (5086) Subscriber Badge on Friday April 24 2020, @12:36AM (#986303) Journal

                To be fair you can start a speech to text recorder, drop your skirt/pants/what have you, and blast a long fart into the mic, save the output into somefile.pl and the result will likely do something. Perl looks like modem noise.

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        • (Score: 1, Insightful) by khallow on Sunday April 19 2020, @11:18PM

          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday April 19 2020, @11:18PM (#984950) Journal

          Why not ban the obvious idiots

          Then where would you go? There's a huge sea of forums that practice such censorship. You could have gone long ago to those sites and not have to worry about "obvious idiots". Yet here you are.

        • (Score: 3, Interesting) by cmdrklarg on Monday April 20 2020, @05:02PM (2 children)

          by cmdrklarg (5048) Subscriber Badge on Monday April 20 2020, @05:02PM (#985142)

          That's what the moderation system is for. Virtually all of the stupid shit gets modded down to -1 pretty quickly from what I've seen.

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          • (Score: 2) by RS3 on Tuesday April 21 2020, @05:18PM (1 child)

            by RS3 (6367) on Tuesday April 21 2020, @05:18PM (#985487)

            > Virtually all of the stupid shit gets modded down to -1 pretty quickly...

            Yes, but so do valid opinions. And "karma scores" along with it.

            Mod system abuse has been discussed here before. I've seen no changes since then.

            I started a much longer post, but I just don't have the time nor stomach for it, and I have much higher priority things I need to be doing...

      • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 20 2020, @04:49AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 20 2020, @04:49AM (#985005)

        So you cleaned the DB and lost my fucking token. This is the big problem with internet security, how the hell a is anyone supposed to remember a PW thrown out 6+ years ago with at least 5 computers since. Fuck the whole damn bunch of you fucking Trump Zombies.

    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by janrinok on Sunday April 19 2020, @05:23PM (38 children)

      by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Sunday April 19 2020, @05:23PM (#984859) Journal

      You control the idiots - not us - by using using your moderation points. Will it get rid of of them all? - No. Most of them? - Maybe. Some of them? - Almost certainly. And if you change your threshold to 1 or 2 you will quickly lose the worst of them.

      If we begin to censor those with whom we disagree then we will be no better than all the other sites that are nothing more than echo chambers. We believe that we, as a community, are better than that.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 19 2020, @07:48PM (3 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 19 2020, @07:48PM (#984885)

        So few post that I read at 0 or -1 just to have something to read. Tech stories tend to have even less post. Poly-turds stories always brings the most post. Esp. T-potus related.
        Just keep the porn-axx from posting and i can deal with the rest of the crap at -1.

        Anyway... thanks....

        PS. Anyone know of a ESP8266 based car battery charger? My google fu is not getting anything but Li-Ion PS for the MPU.

        • (Score: 4, Interesting) by NickM on Sunday April 19 2020, @08:14PM (2 children)

          by NickM (2867) Subscriber Badge on Sunday April 19 2020, @08:14PM (#984896) Journal
          Have a look at this https://www.electronicsforu.com/electronics-projects/arduino-controlled-automatic-battery-charger, [electronicsforu.com] it's arduino based but it should be easy to port the design to the ESP8266. The key thing to consider when charging lead batteries is gassing voltage, so don't exceed 14.2V when charging a standard 6 cells car battery. Also make sure that the battery is properly watered before charging it. The number come from memory and I validated them there https://www.powerstream.com/SLA.htm [powerstream.com] .
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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 20 2020, @01:07AM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 20 2020, @01:07AM (#984977)

            Don't think it needs a whole Arduino, but I would like a solar charger for my car that has a regulator to avoid overcharging. It should include a temp sensor, since the correct float voltage for lead acid changes with temperature. That car sits a lot and like many newer cars will run it's own battery down in a couple of weeks.

            Because it's often cloudy here, I think I need a larger panel, so it will work when we're socked in, but then risk the overcharge on sunny days.

      • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday April 19 2020, @09:24PM (33 children)

        by Azuma Hazuki (5086) Subscriber Badge on Sunday April 19 2020, @09:24PM (#984925) Journal

        A few proposals then:

        - ACs are already exempt from the "modbombing" rule. Make them exempt from the "don't use Spam mod on these people unless it's literally an ad for viagra or somesuch" rule too. SOUNDS excessive, but it's a way of keeping the bottom-feeding lazy assholes out. Spam hits the originating ipid with a tremendous negative penalty. In effect, this is saying "if you wanna troll that bad, register." Like a lock on the door, it will keep out the stupid, lazy, and weak.

        - More mod points, say 15 or 20, for longtime users.

        - Make the Troll mod harsher.

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        • (Score: 3, Touché) by NPC-131072 on Sunday April 19 2020, @11:29PM

          by NPC-131072 (7144) on Sunday April 19 2020, @11:29PM (#984953) Journal

          Make the Troll mod harsher.

          Aren't you harsh enough already?

        • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday April 19 2020, @11:58PM

          They're mostly immune from the mod bombing rule because it would take extra work to sort them out by ipid and then we'd still have the ToR gateway where everyone comes in from the same ipid.

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 20 2020, @01:04AM (2 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 20 2020, @01:04AM (#984973)

          One person's troll is another's great comment. See here [soylentnews.org] for the latest example of that. But there are plenty of other examples, especially when things get political or personal.

          • (Score: 2, Informative) by RandomFactor on Monday April 20 2020, @09:50PM (1 child)

            by RandomFactor (3682) Subscriber Badge on Monday April 20 2020, @09:50PM (#985236) Journal

            If you've never gotten "+5 Troll" you aren't trying.

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 20 2020, @02:02AM (24 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 20 2020, @02:02AM (#984987)

          1) The spam mod encompasses quite a few other problematic posts beyond what you're describing. Why does it need to apply differently to ACs than others? That makes no sense.

          2) The purpose of the moderation system is to people can choose not to read bad posts without more heavy-handed measures like bans. You have the ability to set a troll modifier in your viewing settings so that you don't see troll comments. It's up to you to use it.

          3) As demonstrated on Slashdot, people can and will create large numbers of troll accounts when it is the path of least resistance to trolling. You're not solving the problem.

          4) Why do users need more mod points? It seems there are already a lot of mod points given out. The same effect could be achieved by a greater number of users moderating, plus it avoids the issue of a single user using moderation to promote an agenda.

          5) Slashdot editors have unlimited mod points. Unless the code has changed to prevent this, the same should be true here. It's simple enough for editors to clear out the obvious garbage while allowing ordinary users to moderate the rest. And moderation is really supposed to be more about promoting good comments than suppressing bad comments. But editors could mod the truly bad posts to -1, which would avoid the need to give more mod points to ordinary users.

          • (Score: 3, Informative) by janrinok on Monday April 20 2020, @06:41AM (23 children)

            by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Monday April 20 2020, @06:41AM (#985026) Journal

            Slashdot editors have unlimited mod points.

            Nope, I get exactly the same number of mod points than any other member of our community. And that is exactly how it should be.

            It is true that a site admin can take even further measures than simple moderation, but they do not usually do so in isolation. There is considerable discussion about such things behind the scenes to prevent any one person from deciding the path the site will take. If necessary, in the rare event that we cannot agree on something, the responsibility for the final decision is passed up the tree until it gets to the Board.

            The Board contains names that many of you who joined after, say, 2016 might not recognise. They have been here since the very early days and they have the (unenviable IMHO) of managing all the legal and financial matters that a site such as ours must comply with simply to exist.

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            • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Monday April 20 2020, @06:43AM (1 child)

              by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Monday April 20 2020, @06:43AM (#985027) Journal

              "the (unenviable IMHO) task"

              finger trouble!

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            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 20 2020, @03:38PM (20 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 20 2020, @03:38PM (#985118)

              You can see that I'm the same AC, but anyone without admin privileges can't so I'm saying that.

              For those who might not remember, editor moderation was quite controversial over on Slashdot. A massive amount of editor mod points were spent to mod down the first Slashdot troll post investigation [slashdot.org] and all replies to it. Anyone who modded this up or one of the comments in the thread had moderation privileges revoked. If extra measures were taken to make sure APK gets the spam mod he deserves, people other than APK probably won't complain. If there's any suspicious moderation of political posts on either side of the political spectrum, that will cause a big problem. I never said this was a good solution, just another alternative that has precedent on Slashdot.

              I'd actually prefer to see more users participate and the number of mod points reduced to five at any particular time. That would reduce the influence of any particular user, but would probably require more user participation to work. But I also don't think the system is particularly broken. As I noted, there are plenty of ways that Azuma Hazuki can avoid seeing low quality anonymous posts. Like I said, perhaps you could create a modifier for unmoderated posts, or perhaps split it as a modifier for anonymous and a modifier for logged-in posts. It might add a bit more flexibility to avoid seeing troll comments and I suspect it should be fairly easy to implement, though I'm not familiar with Slashcode. But my comment should be taken as a whole to mean that I think Azuma's concerns are unfounded and change isn't needed.

              If more people used the spam mod on APK's spam instead of something like troll, it would get rid of his spam faster. Perhaps Azuma's issues are actually with her fellow users not using the spam mod when it's appropriate.

              • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Monday April 20 2020, @05:37PM (11 children)

                by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Monday April 20 2020, @05:37PM (#985160) Journal

                There was a discussion over on IRC regarding this very point. If anyone thinks that a post is genuinely spam then they should moderate it appropriately. If we feel that the moderation is inappropriate we can rectify it, and if anyone tries to abuse the moderation process then they will suffer the publicised administrative action. But, more importantly, we encourage everyone to protect the site so that the vast majority of us can still express ourselves freely about the topics under discussion.

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                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 20 2020, @06:05PM (3 children)

                  by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 20 2020, @06:05PM (#985171)

                  If I had to guess, people might be reluctant to use the spam mod because of this statement in the FAQ: "If you are unsure of whether a comment is spam or not, don't use the spam mod." They might also be unfamiliar with it because it's not one of the options at Slashdot. It might also be useful to explain the disagree mod. I think it's a +0 modifier, but I'm not entirely sure what it does.

                  Maybe if someone uses the spam mod in good faith, genuinely believing the comment was spam, and the mod is overturned, it could be handled differently from actual abuse. If the user calmly emails the admins to explain why they believe the comment was spam, if it's a good faith difference in the interpretation of the guidelines, the one month penalty could be lifted. Obviously if this happens several times with a user, it's abuse. But if it happens once or twice and they discuss it in a civil manner with the admins, perhaps there could be a judgment call to lift the penalty.

                  Another option might be to allow users to hide all comments that are modded spam, even if they're browsing at -1. Spam mods are reviewed by the admins, so they'll get reversed if they're applied incorrectly. But it would be helpful if moderators read at -1 to reverse other incorrect moderations that don't get reviewed by the editors. That way, they can read at -1 and moderate up good comments that are at -1 while not wading through all the spam. I think a few minor tweaks like that and perhaps the comment score modifiers would be helpful. But I hope you don't actually change the moderation system. I don't think it's needed.

                  I don't think the system is broken as-is. These are just a couple of ideas to allow logged-in users more flexibility with how comments are displayed.

                  • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Monday April 20 2020, @06:44PM (2 children)

                    by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Monday April 20 2020, @06:44PM (#985181) Journal

                    Maybe if someone uses the spam mod in good faith, genuinely believing the comment was spam, and the mod is overturned, it could be handled differently from actual abuse. If the user calmly emails the admins to explain why they believe the comment was spam, if it's a good faith difference in the interpretation of the guidelines, the one month penalty could be lifted. Obviously if this happens several times with a user, it's abuse. But if it happens once or twice and they discuss it in a civil manner with the admins, perhaps there could be a judgment call to lift the penalty.

                    Which is a good description of exactly what we do now

                    It might also be useful to explain the disagree mod. I think it's a +0 modifier

                    Just because someone disagrees with a statement doesn't mean that the person making the statement is trolling. People have differences of opinion in regular conversation all the time. The disagree mod is exactly what it says - but it is only useful if you then make a comment explaining why you disagree. The 0 modifier is there intentionally - the fact that someone disagrees doesn't mean the statement is incorrect, so why should it be penalised?

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                    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 20 2020, @07:02PM (1 child)

                      by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 20 2020, @07:02PM (#985187)

                      If that's your current policy for handling spam mods, that's good. I have no issue with that. I'm familiar with Slashdot but am less familiar with some of the tweaks that have been made here such as the spam mod. Thank you for clarifying.

                      I was suggesting that an explanation like that of the disagree mod might be a good addition the the FAQ. I agree with you that a disagree mod shouldn't be a -1. It should either be +0 or +1. The latter could be justified on the grounds that if the user disagrees with the comment yet finds it worthwhile enough to merit further discussion, it's a quality comment. I'm suggesting that you add it to the FAQ because if users understand it better, they're more likely to use it as you intend. A lot of the political discussions on this site would be better if people used the disagree mod to express their disagreement instead of troll or flamebait. And I think it's pretty easy to tell distinguish someone making good points that you disagree with from someone who is just trying to provoke angry responses. Actual shitposts try to be inflammatory and don't actually make an effort to defend their position.

                      I agree that it's up to the users who moderate to do their part to improve the site. Like I said, I think moderation works pretty well as-is and I don't think you need to adopt the tweaks that Azuma Hazuki is proposing. If you decide that something needs to change, I've made a few suggestions that could be considered but stop short of actually changing the moderation system. These are only suggestions. Do with them as you wish. I have no problem if you adopt them or choose not to.

                      Thank you for your time. I appreciate you discussing this with me.

                • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday April 21 2020, @01:32AM (6 children)

                  by Azuma Hazuki (5086) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday April 21 2020, @01:32AM (#985303) Journal

                  We need to either expand what the Spam mod can be used on (examples: Eth's obvious, worthless, gratuitous "ITZ T3H J00000000000Z!" posts) then, or create something in between Spam and a simple Troll mod, which is goddamn near toothless.

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                  • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 21 2020, @04:19AM (2 children)

                    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 21 2020, @04:19AM (#985345)

                    Jew Talmud excerpts (book that calls Christ's mother a whore & a bastard of a roman soldier):

                    Yebhamoth 11b: "Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is three years of age."

                    Schabouth Hag. 6d: "Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording."

                    Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Do not save Goyim in danger of death."

                    Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Show no mercy to the Goyim."

                    Choschen Hamm 388, 15: "If it can be proven that someone has given the money of Israelites to the Goyim, a way must be found after prudent consideration to wipe him off the face of the earth."

                    Choschen Hamm 266,1: "A Jew may keep anything he finds which belongs to the Akum (Gentile). For he who returns lost property (to Gentiles) sins against the Law by increasing the power of the transgressors of the Law. It is praiseworthy, however, to return lost property if it is done to honor the name of God, namely, if by so doing, Christians will praise the Jews and look upon them as honorable people."

                    Szaaloth-Utszabot, The Book of Jore Dia 17: "A Jew should and must make a false oath when the Goyim asks if our books contain anything against them."

                    Baba Necia 114, 6: "The Jews are human beings, but the nations of the world are not human beings but beasts."

                    Simeon Haddarsen, fol. 56-D: "When the Messiah comes every Jew will have 2800 slaves."

                    Nidrasch Talpioth, p. 225-L: "Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night."

                    Aboda Sarah 37a: "A Gentile girl who is three years old can be violated."

                    Gad. Shas. 2:2: "A Jew may violate but not marry a non-Jewish girl."

                    Tosefta. Aboda Zara B, 5: "If a goy kills a goy or a Jew, he is responsible; but if a Jew kills a goy, he is NOT responsible."

                    Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 388: "It is permitted to kill a Jewish denunciator everywhere. It is permitted to kill him even before he denounces."

                    Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 348: "All property of other nations belongs to the Jewish nation, which, consequently, is entitled to seize upon it without any scruples."

                    Tosefta, Abda Zara VIII, 5: "How to interpret the word 'robbery.' A goy is forbidden to steal, rob, or take women slaves, etc., from a goy or from a Jew. But a Jew is NOT forbidden to do all this to a goy."

                    Seph. Jp., 92, 1: "God has given the Jews power over the possessions and blood of all nations."

                    Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 156: "When a Jew has a Gentile in his clutches, another Jew may go to the same Gentile, lend him money and in turn deceive him, so that the Gentile shall be ruined. For the property of a Gentile, according to our law, belongs to no one, and the first Jew that passes has full right to seize it."

                    Schulchan Aruch, Johre Deah, 122: "A Jew is forbidden to drink from a glass of wine which a Gentile has touched, because the touch has made the wine unclean."

                    Nedarim 23b: "He who desires that none of his vows made during the year be valid, let him stand at the beginning of the year and declare, 'Every vow which I may make in the future shall be null'. His vows are then invalid."

                    Sanhedrin 59a: "Murdering Goyim is like killing a wild animal."

                    Abodah Zara 26b: "Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed."

                    Sanhedrin 59a: "A goy (Gentile) who pries into The Law (Talmud) is guilty of death."

                    THE JEW WILL USE 'SUBTERFUGE WORDING' but has no out on any of the above.

                    Jews claim anti-semitism when they are proven racists themselves from their own book of cultural laws the talmud shown in part above.

                    Try "jew guilt" us? Good luck that.

                    Want a lot more to back this up? Ask.

                    Of course you do NOT want more of that fact/truth that show everyone just what you REALLY are, now do you? Of course not so you will do as you say and all jews do: Censor out fact and truth that exposes them as THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN (Revelation from the Bible which is really old testament and jew TORAH, not the Satanic Talmud of the FAKE jew).

                    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 21 2020, @04:58PM

                      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 21 2020, @04:58PM (#985482)

                      this reads like the koran

                      no wonder they have been at each others throats for centuries

                    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 21 2020, @05:02PM

                      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 21 2020, @05:02PM (#985483)

                      The specific passage states that a girl under 3 who was violated by an adult male still qualifies for a virgin's bride-price when she ultimately marries as - given the physiological facts - no real penetration could have occurred, while a girl over 3 who was violated by an adult male would not so qualify.

                  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 21 2020, @06:23AM (2 children)

                    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 21 2020, @06:23AM (#985354)

                    Ethanol-fueled is a troll. However, I fail to see why it's necessary to further restrict his ability to post. If you don't think the troll mod has enough of an effect, you're more than capable of setting a -6 modifier for posts modded troll so you can avoid seeing them. You also have the ability to add Ethanol-fueled as a foe and set a -6 modifier for foes. If you don't want to see his posts, you are more than capable of ensuring you never see them. Why is it necessary to further impede his ability to post? I don't agree with his views but I also don't like censorship. Ethanol-fueled has a fairly low volume of posts and doesn't repost the same comment in an article when he gets modded down. It's not like he's straining the moderation system to deal with his trolling. He's not following around individual users and harassing them, just posting some troll comments while mixing in some genuinely worthwhile comments.

                    I do wish that more users would use the spam mod on APK's comments. But Ethanol-fueled is quite benign compared to APK. Absolutely nobody is forcing you to read Ethanol-fueled's comments and you are more than capable of making sure you never see a single comment from him. Shouldn't that be enough?

                    • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday April 22 2020, @01:26AM (1 child)

                      by Azuma Hazuki (5086) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday April 22 2020, @01:26AM (#985631) Journal

                      I've already done the personal modifier and "foes to -6" thing. That's...kinda not the point. Actually it's *anon* shitposting that's bugging me; IMO the simplest solution to this is just to set anon comments to -1 by default but what the hell.

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                      • (Score: 2) by RS3 on Friday April 24 2020, @01:43AM

                        by RS3 (6367) on Friday April 24 2020, @01:43AM (#986337)

                        IMO the simplest solution to this is just to set anon comments to -1 by default ...

                        Seems reasonable, but then the good AC comments will be seen by very few, and not likely get upmods to be seen by the many.

                        I've given this a lot of thought- it's not an easy thing to solve.

                        I think giving a lot more mod points, maybe based on karma, with no ceiling on karma, and 1 mod doesn't change your score by 1, but rather some percentage. Not easy, and would need a lot of collaborating, brainstorming, etc.

              • (Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 21 2020, @03:24AM (7 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 21 2020, @03:24AM (#985336)

                Nobody takes you seriously since your fake name accounts that do replies by anonymous troll brigade treachery failed in trying to down mod one of the useful posts on corona virus here from APK you mentioned https://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?noupdate=1&sid=37033&page=1&cid=981802#981802 [soylentnews.org] but lo and behold despite your gang up tactics and trolling from behind anonymous replies APK's post was still up modded and obviously useful, unlike your kind.

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 21 2020, @06:31AM (6 children)

                  by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 21 2020, @06:31AM (#985356)

                  The parent comment is spam, posted by APK. Yes, it's APK, even if he didn't sign his comment. During APK's last round of spamming, you added a lameness filter to thwart spam like the parent comment. Have you guys considered putting that filter back in place for awhile as a temporary measure to curtail the new onslaught of APK spam?

                  • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday April 21 2020, @02:01PM (3 children)

                    We usually don't bother with even temporary spam filters unless they're hitting half the stories with them. They just take it as a challenge and it takes them longer to get bored with it.

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                    • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 21 2020, @11:09PM (2 children)

                      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 21 2020, @11:09PM (#985581)

                      See subject: I'm so sick & tired of SoylentNews BULLIES just like the /. & ArSeHoleTechnica bullies. You SHITWEASELS have nothing better to do than HARASS, STALK & IMPERSONATE little ol' me. I've done absolutely NOTHING wrong & just try to make everyone's lives better w/ my work that stops ads & malware.

                      * As soon as I post, I'm CENSORED to -1 w/ ABUSED spamdownmodpoints by FAKENAME bullies like The Mighty Buzzard, Runaway1956, Azuma Hazuki & Tom "Barbara" Hudson. I caught c6gunner mocking then IMPERSONATING me on /. when he forgot to log out. Zontar The Mindless mailed me a postcard w/ THREATS on it, then LIES & STALKS me. All because you JEALOUS JOWIE "ne'er-do-wells" KNOW I'm World-Class & you're shit. It's why you hide behind FAKE names & UNIDENTIFIABLE ANONYMOUS.

                      I caught Tom "Barbara" Hudson IMPERSONATING me too. The OLD NOT-MAN soyboy weezil is JUDEN TRASH and knows nothing about computers so IT LIES about me instead. This is one sick in the head IDLE HANDS ARE THE DEVIL'S WORKSHOP abomination, no questions asked. You wish you were me & that's why you IMPERSONATE & ATTACK me.

                      I'm even improving my already GREAT PHYSIQUE & SUPERIOR INTELLECT while you weezils & soyboys sit around all day on SoylentNews STALKING & HARASSING your BETTERS. I repeatedly dust the no-mind bullshit blatherings you BULLIES post to attack me. Like always I WIN & YOU LOSE. That's why you keep spamdownmod HIDING my posts & STALKING me w/ FAKENAME accounts. You CAN'T stop me any better than whipslash @ /. & he knows I could STOP HIS SERVER whenever I want. Martyb KNOWS he CAN'T DO BETTER than I w/ APK Hosts File Engine instead of some TOY website based on someone else's ABANDONED & BROKEN code from another site FULL of "ne'er-do-well" fakename forum focks.

                      Now I have the PILL-PUSHING SELF-PROCLAIMED "SiDeWaLk-ShRiNk of SOYLENTNEWS" LIBELING me & saying I'm MENTALLY ILL. ALL of you SHITWEASELS are mentally ill & can't stop BULLYING me because you WISH YOU WERE ME. PROVE you've done better than I. You can't & you know it so BULLYING & LIBELING is all YOUR KIND has left.

                      APK

                      P.S.=> This BULLYING of me is SO UNFAIR & I've done nothing to deserve it from you people. I'm tired of CASTING PEARLS before SWINE with my work that you CAN'T do better than. GROW UP... apk

                      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 21 2020, @11:47PM (1 child)

                        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 21 2020, @11:47PM (#985593)

                        LmAo: Impersonating me doing what I'd never do (which is "play victim" when the truth is you made YOURSELVES my victims being STUPID ENOUGH to try "take me on" only to go "SPLAT" after I knocked you all flat via facts vs. your errors - classic case? Barbara Hudson https://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?noupdate=1&sid=33430&page=1&cid=889582#commentwrap [soylentnews.org] as just 1 single example thereof as proof, no questions asked & undeniable, concrete, & factually verifiable on all grounds of how I TOTALLY SPLATTERED that fucking tranny weirdo).

                        * I do like what you PROJECTED though about my type of person vs. "your kind" (SLIMY little SLINKING worms that play BITCH games like IMPERSONATING me).

                        APK

                        P.S.=> What a pack of SERIOUS BOZOS lurk around this shithole - glad I'm NOT one of you, that's certain... apk

                        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 22 2020, @12:36AM

                          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 22 2020, @12:36AM (#985613)

                          Then stop being a crybaby and whining about "impersonation" when you already have a way to prevent it. You have an account [soylentnews.org] already. Logging in would prevent any impersonation. Instead, you choose to post AC and whine when people are supposedly impersonating you. Stop pretending to be a victim.

                  • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 21 2020, @04:33PM (1 child)

                    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 21 2020, @04:33PM (#985474)

                    Does your bs matter when what you replied to is fact apk overcame your downmod bombings by others up modding him. You jews are scared of facts you yourselves supply out of your satanic talmud also I notice https://soylentnews.org/meta/comments.pl?noupdate=1&sid=37148&page=1&cid=985345#commentwrap [soylentnews.org] and that only proves when jews are against the wall (or in the gas chamber) they lie or hide facts and truth. Censorbeams on maximum. Don't wonder why you've been booted out of 109 nations for thieving, lying, killing and being satan's little minions. Azuma Hazuki went wild on apk libeling him https://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?noupdate=1&sid=37033&page=1&cid=985463#commentwrap [soylentnews.org] and he and others destroyed her bs instantly. Now the second jews horrid beliefs were put out here and in other threads jews here went nuts (how odd - sarcasm) hiding facts they put out in their talmud. Azuma Hazuki is simply tipping the fact she's probably a NYC jew that doesn't like facts about them put out that they supplied themselves in stupid arrogance that gets them killed or banned from countries. I love how they delusionally think they are superior in their mass megalomania too. If they are so superior why then do they shave off those snouts of theirs by rhinoplasty trying to be the goyim cattle they put down then? Answer that.

                    • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday April 22 2020, @01:31AM

                      by Azuma Hazuki (5086) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday April 22 2020, @01:31AM (#985634) Journal

                      Uh...have you seen, like, *any* of my posts about religion? I am a rabid anti-fan of the entire Abrahamic corpus and not shy about stating that this includes Judaism. Christianity and Islam do more damage in the modern world, but Judaism is where it started. They all have the same demented psychopathic God-concept, and holy hell does it show.

                      I've had a few run-ins with the Hassidim from when I still lived in NYC, and as you can imagine, got plenty of hostile stares. They creep me the hell out honestly. Of course, I also had runins with the subway preachers :) Remember in 2011 when the world was supposed to end (again)? I asked one of them the day before the supposed event for his wallet, saying that if he really believed what he was selling he wouldn't need it. Needless to say he didn't give it to me, LOL.

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        • (Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 21 2020, @03:02AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 21 2020, @03:02AM (#985333)

          APK shot you down here https://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?noupdate=1&sid=37033&page=1&cid=985329#commentwrap [soylentnews.org] and you, like a typical stupid cunt that overrates her own "intelligence" (or rather lack thereof) in thinking you being a pill pushing pimp (that can't prove it also, hahahaha) actually makes you a psychiatric pro dispensing diagnosis in your instant prognosis based on no real tests or data, still you were so buttsore after the reaming apk gave you, that you tried to get the last word only to find yourself blown away. To the point where your own stupidity and temper have you vulnerable to a libel lawsuit as well as defamation of character of another person who doesn't hide behind fantasyland fakenames online like all your kind, losers, do.

        • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Tuesday April 21 2020, @08:12AM (1 child)

          by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday April 21 2020, @08:12AM (#985373) Journal

          - ACs are already exempt from the "modbombing" rule. Make them exempt from the "don't use Spam mod on these people unless it's literally an ad for viagra or somesuch" rule too. SOUNDS excessive, but it's a way of keeping the bottom-feeding lazy assholes out. Spam hits the originating ipid with a tremendous negative penalty. In effect, this is saying "if you wanna troll that bad, register." Like a lock on the door, it will keep out the stupid, lazy, and weak.

          While I personally would prefer people to log in (because it makes the threads much easier to read) I can also recognise that some will want to post anonymously. They already get hit with a penalty for doing so. They cannot moderate, they don't have a journal, etc. But your moderation points are for you to use however you decide. If you think somebody is spamming - moderate it appropriately. Similarly, if you believe that they are trolling, moderate them as you wish. As long as you are prepared to justify your actions when/if someone else believes that you are misusing your mod points then everything will be fine.

          But if anyone abuses their moderating privs then they must also be prepared for the consequences.

          More mod points, say 15 or 20, for longtime users.

          How long is a 'longtime' - a month? 6 months? A year or more? Why? What happens at this magical point in time that guarantees a user's comments will all be of a high standard? You do know that Ethanol Fueled (2792), 'Buzzard (18), Runaway1956 (2926), and khallow (3766), are all a longtime users who usually post under their own usernames too, don't you? (I plucked those names 'at random' of course from recent discussions that you have had - no offence intended to any individual.) Just because you don't agree with somebody doesn't mean they are automatically trolling.

          - Make the Troll mod harsher.

          The Community can already mod troll posts so that they cannot be seen - what are you suggesting we should do that is harsher? Hanging, burning at the stake, or perhaps the witches' ducking stool?

          The problem is that everybody has their own idea of what is acceptable and what is not. The only fair way is to let the community decide what they want to view. We have enabled this by having moderation, a system of thresholds and the ability to remove topics from view at the individual level. I don't agree with many comments that members of our community have posted on our site - but I will defend their right to express themselves while at the same time moderating appropriately.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 19 2020, @08:05PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 19 2020, @08:05PM (#984892)

      Cut down on the idiots here and it might make the site more attractive to regular people.

      This from an AC.

    • (Score: 2) by Lagg on Sunday April 19 2020, @08:05PM

      by Lagg (105) on Sunday April 19 2020, @08:05PM (#984893) Homepage Journal

      Yes, but they're my idiots. And your "regular people" are why people like me - who is actually a regular person and I challenge anyone to say different given the general state of discourse - get chased all the way back to soylent to get their discourse kicks while deleting all accounts they can possibly delete in a blind panic.

      I've never had any delusions about this site's survival, I'm downright astounded and proud it managed to outlast slashdot while the latter crumbled in an ugly, slow, un-utf8'd fashion.

      So all that said, nah. I remember my idiots and their personalities. They piss me off. But they're mine. And I like it when my idiot tribes are small enough to remember the names and personalities of.

      I launched my rimworld colonists in permadeath mode who were alive for 30 years and went basically full cyborg in the meantime. I attribute this personality trait to that.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 19 2020, @10:06PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 19 2020, @10:06PM (#984934)

      They think they are regular people.

      There's really no point in talking to them, except if you find it amusing to do so while you wait for your inevitable death. That might just be me, though.

  • (Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 19 2020, @05:27PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 19 2020, @05:27PM (#984860)

    It's great that you listened to President Trump and got your site back in business so soon. #LiberateSoylentNews

  • (Score: 4, Interesting) by TheSage on Sunday April 19 2020, @05:58PM (2 children)

    by TheSage (133) Subscriber Badge on Sunday April 19 2020, @05:58PM (#984866) Journal

    Just renewed my subscription. Although I disagree with most of the posters here on just about anything, this site is a valuable resource that provides me with multiple viewpoints which the usual echo chambers just can't. Definitely worth the 20$ a year.

    • (Score: 3, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 19 2020, @07:55PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 19 2020, @07:55PM (#984888)

      SoylentNews subscription: $20 a year
      SoylentNew baseball cap: $18.25 (40% Off with code STAYFITHOMEZ)
      Trolling SJWs and millennials: priceless

      There are some things money just can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard.

      • (Score: 0, Offtopic) by Runaway1956 on Sunday April 19 2020, @08:01PM

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Sunday April 19 2020, @08:01PM (#984890) Homepage Journal

        That's not actually funny. It's more like "hilarious". But, I used the most suitable mod available, LOL!

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  • (Score: 1, Troll) by Subsentient on Monday April 20 2020, @12:54AM (8 children)

    by Subsentient (1111) Subscriber Badge on Monday April 20 2020, @12:54AM (#984969) Homepage Journal

    Again, people using euphemisms and slang for the virus.
    Just use the official WHO name.

    EBOLAIDS.

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    • (Score: 3, Funny) by kazzie on Monday April 20 2020, @10:28AM

      by kazzie (5309) Subscriber Badge on Monday April 20 2020, @10:28AM (#985041)

      The EBOLAIDS? Are those the creatures from the Crab Nebula that got squished by Dr WHO's Tardis?

    • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday April 20 2020, @11:09AM (6 children)

      It started out as Coronaids but martyb likes accuracy above humor for some reason. He even changed the email column on the subscription grant entries to read 'COVID-19' instead of 'coffee++'.

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      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by martyb on Tuesday April 21 2020, @08:16AM (5 children)

        by martyb (76) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday April 21 2020, @08:16AM (#985374) Journal

        It started out as Coronaids but martyb likes accuracy above humor for some reason. He even changed the email column on the subscription grant entries to read 'COVID-19' instead of 'coffee++'.

        I had a good friend -- kind, gentle, polite, sensitive, and caring -- who was given one year to live, but finally succumbed to AIDS after something like a dozen years. I learned much from her in how she dealt with adversity and societal rejection. Would the same 'humor' apply because someone had diabetes or cancer or any other disease? I find the it to be not funny and to be in poor taste.

        As for coffee++, I refer you to the story recently posted here, Beware the wrath of Abibarshim. If yoy have ever had to refactor code which used 'funny' variable names like ringo and paul and george or xyzzy plugh and plover, you might better understand why I prefer a 1:1 correspondence between semantics and syntax. We have decades old COBOL code people are still supporting. Our site code is a fork of 10+ year old slashcode. In another 10 or 20 years, should someone want to update *our* code, I suspect 'COVID-19' will be more explanatory than 'coffee++'. Who knows, it might even be you looking at the code and thinking wtf? =)

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        • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday April 21 2020, @02:08PM (3 children)

          I almost always think "WTF" when looking at a piece of rehash that I've never touched. Hell, I usually initially think it when it's code that I wrote but haven't touched in a year. The "coffee++" entries were in a field in the DB that otherwise would have been left blank though, so I amused myself.

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          • (Score: 2) by martyb on Tuesday April 21 2020, @06:54PM (2 children)

            by martyb (76) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday April 21 2020, @06:54PM (#985517) Journal

            Last things first:

            The "coffee++" entries were in a field in the DB that otherwise would have been left blank though, so I amused myself.

            Actually, the 'email' field is directly entered by the user when subscribing. That said, I did not like the chance of a false positive using that field. Upon further reflection, I have restored the 'coffee++' values in the email field, and instead updated the 'method' field's value to 'CV-19'. Not ideal, but we're limited to what would fit in a CHAR(6). It also has the benefit of being strictly under our control — no false positives!

            I almost always think "WTF" when looking at a piece of rehash that I've never touched. Hell, I usually initially think it when it's code that I wrote but haven't touched in a year.

            It's good to know that I'm in good company when going wtf while looking at the Perl code!

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            • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday April 23 2020, @11:13PM (1 child)

              No need to go to actual effort to restore a bit of momentary amusement, man. I had my chuckle already.

              Correction:The email field is never used on grant type subscription entries. And since the trans_id for them already begins with "##Corona", there's no need to put it in any other field.

              It's good to know that I'm in good company when going wtf while looking at the Perl code!

              Good code... No, scratch that. Working as intended code is self-documenting. Which is to say, being able to understand (without comments) what's going on by reading a bit of code should be an absolute requirement for anyone to ever touch that bit of code without supervision.

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              • (Score: 2) by martyb on Thursday April 23 2020, @11:32PM

                by martyb (76) Subscriber Badge on Thursday April 23 2020, @11:32PM (#986266) Journal
                I think we are basically agreeing; I like the data to be as self-documenting as possible, too. Now only need to look at the value of a single field to construct the class name. =)
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        • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday April 22 2020, @01:38AM

          by Azuma Hazuki (5086) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday April 22 2020, @01:38AM (#985637) Journal

          Remember Uzzard's entire guiding philosophy is "whether it amuses me or not." You're dealing with a sociopath here, Marty. He'll *try* and spin it as George-Carlin-esque irreverence and a healthy freedom-lovin' good-ol'-boy disregard for censorship, but that's a wafer-thin excuse for letting his assholery fly on full display.

          Just understand who and what it is you're working with, okay?

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