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posted by martyb on Friday August 23 2019, @06:17AM   Printer-friendly
from the tragedy-of-the-commons dept.

I was going to post this to a particular story, but thought this might generate more attention and discussion as a general submission.

Seriously, what is going on with all these troll mods? Just because you disagree with someone, thus earning a "disagree" mod, does not mean that person is a "troll." To steal a definition from Urban Dictionary:

An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.

Just because you disagree with someone, does not mean they are trying to do the above. Be faster on the "disagree" and slower on the "troll." Under such abuse, it is hard to have a good discussion and, in itself, is trollish behavior by "generally disrupt[ing] normal on-topic discussion." Other than people disciplining themselves, a concerted effort to police such abuses, or making moderation logs public on the bottom of a comment where the score is shown now, I'm unsure of what to do about. As it stands, it is getting increasingly ridiculous to read what discussion is here on any topic remotely controversial, and is expanding outside of even those. It is starting to drive me away from the site, and I'm somewhat confident it is doing the same for others. I'd be interested to see what others think about the depth of the problem, if they even believe it even exists at all, and what solutions you all have for it.

[Ed note. This story is published exactly as received. First off, it bears repeating that complaining about moderations in the comments often leads (rightly) to an off-topic moderation. That is a contributing factor to my decision to run this story. Secondly, moderation is something that I on occasion have found I've fat-fingered and given a different moderation than expected. Thirdly, in the grand scheme of things, a comment's moderation is — relatively speaking — small potatoes. It is NOT a measure of your IQ or value as a human being. or standing in the community. Just accept that stuff happens and that as likely as not, someone will be along to moderate it the other way. Which is a good opportunity to say: PLEASE USE YOUR MOD POINTS! Lastly, if you think a comment was moderated in error, then send the CID (Comment ID) link e.g. "(#876543)" in an email to admin (at) soylentnews (dot) org. Keep in mind however that we are all volunteers here and there most likely will be a delay between when you send out an email and when we can get around to it. --martyb]

[Updated: 20190823_111312 UTC See comment from JR who far more precisely and eloquently expressed the idea I was attempting to. I concur with his assessment. If I want people to upmod a comment of mine that I believe was unfairly downmodded, then I need to be willing to upmod other's mis-modded comments. For perspective, so far this month, anywhere from ~150-~350 mod points were used in any given day. It bears repeating: use your mod points!]

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  • (Score: 4, Interesting) by inertnet on Friday August 23 2019, @08:46AM (4 children)

    by inertnet (4071) on Friday August 23 2019, @08:46AM (#883992) Journal

    This happened to me a couple of times. Modded a troll just for having an opinion. It tells me that some people here are doing exactly what you're describing.

    What's frustrating is that you can't have a discussion about it. Because modding is anonymous, but also because opinions are obviously so far apart that discussion would probably be pointless.

    Starting Score:    1  point
    Moderation   +2  
       Insightful=1, Interesting=1, Total=2
    Extra 'Interesting' Modifier   0  
    Karma-Bonus Modifier   +1  

    Total Score:   4  
  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Friday August 23 2019, @04:17PM (2 children)

    by DeathMonkey (1380) on Friday August 23 2019, @04:17PM (#884203) Journal

    I mostly get modded Troll when people don't realize I'm making a joke.

    I'm fine with that, good humor lives along that edge.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 24 2019, @10:26AM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 24 2019, @10:26AM (#884664)

      To my eye, you're mostly modded troll when you're trying and failing to be funny.

      Ever meet a 14yo who runs in, shouts a bunch of words, runs out, and thinks they're Monty Python when they're just being disruptive?

      That matches what I've seen of your posts, and the mods to them.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 24 2019, @10:53AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 24 2019, @10:53AM (#884669)

        You forgot to add "Get off my lawn, you Death Monkey! We don't need your kind around here."

        Early onset is so tragic, all the moreso since it is undetectable by the patient.

  • (Score: 4, Interesting) by acid andy on Friday August 23 2019, @06:59PM

    by acid andy (1683) on Friday August 23 2019, @06:59PM (#884288) Homepage Journal

    Disclaimer: I must confess that I'm not familiar with your username and don't know the nature of your beliefs, so the following comments are generalized and could apply to anyone that's been modded troll for something they felt was an expression of their opinion.

    What's frustrating is that you can't have a discussion about it. Because modding is anonymous, but also because opinions are obviously so far apart that discussion would probably be pointles

    I disagree. I live in hope that it absolutely is possible to have a discussion about it. To do so though, you're going to have to be willing to be very open about the deepest motives that give rise to your views. This is difficult for some people because they've avoided even introspecting to that degree.

    The distance between the opinions is caused by a difference in perspectives. For someone who exists with a very different perspective to understand your views, you are going to have to work very hard to qualify those views with the priorities, motives, values and experiences that determine them. Although not essential, it may also help when writing a reply if, in return, you make some effort to try to understand the perspective of your opponent and to demonstrate that in your response.

    I've seen downmods, that I agree with, of posts that are more or less expressions of strong opinion: when I agree with the downmod it's usually because the post concerned is scathing about one they disagree with but without convincingly qualifying why they are justified in making such criticism.

    Oh, and if your perspective consists of treating the non-consensual infliction of suffering as an end rather than a means to an end in the greater good, then I'll probably mod you troll no matter how much you explain that perspective!

    If a cat has kittens, does a rat have rittens, a bat bittens and a mat mittens?