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posted by martyb on Friday August 23 2019, @06:17AM   Printer-friendly
from the tragedy-of-the-commons dept.

I was going to post this to a particular story, but thought this might generate more attention and discussion as a general submission.

Seriously, what is going on with all these troll mods? Just because you disagree with someone, thus earning a "disagree" mod, does not mean that person is a "troll." To steal a definition from Urban Dictionary:

An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.

Just because you disagree with someone, does not mean they are trying to do the above. Be faster on the "disagree" and slower on the "troll." Under such abuse, it is hard to have a good discussion and, in itself, is trollish behavior by "generally disrupt[ing] normal on-topic discussion." Other than people disciplining themselves, a concerted effort to police such abuses, or making moderation logs public on the bottom of a comment where the score is shown now, I'm unsure of what to do about. As it stands, it is getting increasingly ridiculous to read what discussion is here on any topic remotely controversial, and is expanding outside of even those. It is starting to drive me away from the site, and I'm somewhat confident it is doing the same for others. I'd be interested to see what others think about the depth of the problem, if they even believe it even exists at all, and what solutions you all have for it.

[Ed note. This story is published exactly as received. First off, it bears repeating that complaining about moderations in the comments often leads (rightly) to an off-topic moderation. That is a contributing factor to my decision to run this story. Secondly, moderation is something that I on occasion have found I've fat-fingered and given a different moderation than expected. Thirdly, in the grand scheme of things, a comment's moderation is — relatively speaking — small potatoes. It is NOT a measure of your IQ or value as a human being. or standing in the community. Just accept that stuff happens and that as likely as not, someone will be along to moderate it the other way. Which is a good opportunity to say: PLEASE USE YOUR MOD POINTS! Lastly, if you think a comment was moderated in error, then send the CID (Comment ID) link e.g. "(#876543)" in an email to admin (at) soylentnews (dot) org. Keep in mind however that we are all volunteers here and there most likely will be a delay between when you send out an email and when we can get around to it. --martyb]

[Updated: 20190823_111312 UTC See comment from JR who far more precisely and eloquently expressed the idea I was attempting to. I concur with his assessment. If I want people to upmod a comment of mine that I believe was unfairly downmodded, then I need to be willing to upmod other's mis-modded comments. For perspective, so far this month, anywhere from ~150-~350 mod points were used in any given day. It bears repeating: use your mod points!]


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  • (Score: 1, Flamebait) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday August 23 2019, @11:58AM (11 children)

    by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Friday August 23 2019, @11:58AM (#884047) Journal

    Indeed there is. And guess what? Your corrupted, 3/4th-ignorant bastardized version of Christianity isn't it. The complete lack of self-awareness in your posts is incredible.

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  • (Score: 1, Redundant) by Runaway1956 on Friday August 23 2019, @02:43PM

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday August 23 2019, @02:43PM (#884120) Homepage Journal

    Your corrupted, 3/4th-ignorant bastardized version of Christianity

    🙄

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  • (Score: 2) by Bot on Friday August 23 2019, @03:51PM (9 children)

    by Bot (3902) on Friday August 23 2019, @03:51PM (#884170) Journal

    The source is quite clear on the matter. Matthew 10:34

    "Non veni pacem mittere sed gladium..."

    This is quite clear, and BTW sword does not mean war

    "... veni enim separare hominem adversus patrem suum, et filiam adversus matrem suam, et nurum adversus socrum suam"

    but separation. Same chapter, the explicit instruction to give up when they don't LISTEN to you (which is worse than not believe of course).

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    • (Score: 3, Touché) by PinkyGigglebrain on Friday August 23 2019, @06:28PM (6 children)

      by PinkyGigglebrain (4458) on Friday August 23 2019, @06:28PM (#884278)

      ラテン語が読めない人のために英語の翻訳を追加してください

      Please add an English translation for those of us to can not read Latin
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      • (Score: 3, Informative) by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us on Friday August 23 2019, @07:16PM (2 children)

        by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us (6553) on Friday August 23 2019, @07:16PM (#884302) Journal

        Matthew Chapter 10, NIV:
            “34 Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to turn

        “‘a man against his father,
                a daughter against her mother,
        a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—

        And then stopped before 36.

        36
                a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’

        NIV Link [biblegateway.com]

        Link to the chapter in the Vulgate: [biblegateway.com]

        34 Nolite arbitrari quia pacem venerim mittere in terram: non veni pacem mittere, sed gladium:

        35 veni enim separare hominem adversus patrem suum, et filiam adversus matrem suam, et nurum adversus socrum suam:

        36 et inimici hominis, domestici ejus.

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        • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 23 2019, @11:26PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 23 2019, @11:26PM (#884409)

          How about the original Hebrew?

          Μὴ νομίσητε ὅτι ἦλθον βαλεῖν εἰρήνην ἐπὶ τὴν γῆν· οὐκ ἦλθον βαλεῖν εἰρήνην ἀλλὰ μάχαιραν.

          • (Score: 2) by martyb on Saturday August 24 2019, @05:57PM

            by martyb (76) Subscriber Badge on Saturday August 24 2019, @05:57PM (#884836) Journal

            How about the original Hebrew?

            Μὴ νομίσητε ὅτι ἦλθον βαλεῖν εἰρήνην ἐπὶ τὴν γῆν· οὐκ ἦλθον βαλεῖν εἰρήνην ἀλλὰ μάχαιραν.

            Original Hebrew? That's all Greek to me!

            =)

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      • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Saturday August 24 2019, @02:34AM (1 child)

        by Gaaark (41) Subscriber Badge on Saturday August 24 2019, @02:34AM (#884515) Journal

        You should just say, "Don't quote the Bibble as if it is real".
        Bibble is fiction.

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        • (Score: 2) by kazzie on Saturday August 24 2019, @04:45AM

          by kazzie (5309) Subscriber Badge on Saturday August 24 2019, @04:45AM (#884576)

          Even worse, he has a goatee [darthsanddroids.net]

      • (Score: 2) by Bot on Thursday August 29 2019, @07:12AM

        by Bot (3902) on Thursday August 29 2019, @07:12AM (#887200) Journal

        that would be racist against non-English-speakers. You must live under quite an oppressing firewall if you can't google up the passage reference.

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    • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday August 24 2019, @12:57AM (1 child)

      by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Saturday August 24 2019, @12:57AM (#884454) Journal

      You don't seem to understand that you've ended up entirely on the wrong side of that divide though...oh well. The ol' murder manual did say many would be fooled in the last days...

      And, Jesus (heh) Latin is an ugly, awful language. I much prefer the Koine. Even English is better.

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      • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Bot on Saturday August 24 2019, @07:26PM

        by Bot (3902) on Saturday August 24 2019, @07:26PM (#884874) Journal

        Latin is a precise, essential language. It will be abandoned, not for lack of suitability to the new requirements of progress, but because the new men will be unsuitable to it. When the era of demagogues, of the charlatans, will begin, a language like Latin won't be useful anymore and whatever moron will be able to effortlessly hold a public speech without fear of getting kicked down the stage. And the secret will be that, using an insufficiently defined way of speaking, elusive and with a captivating sound, will be able to speak for a hour and convey nothing. Which is impossible with Latin

        G. Guareschi

        Note, I don't fully agree. The work of Seneca and Cicero comes to mind.

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