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posted by martyb on Friday August 23 2019, @06:17AM   Printer-friendly
from the tragedy-of-the-commons dept.

I was going to post this to a particular story, but thought this might generate more attention and discussion as a general submission.

Seriously, what is going on with all these troll mods? Just because you disagree with someone, thus earning a "disagree" mod, does not mean that person is a "troll." To steal a definition from Urban Dictionary:

An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.

Just because you disagree with someone, does not mean they are trying to do the above. Be faster on the "disagree" and slower on the "troll." Under such abuse, it is hard to have a good discussion and, in itself, is trollish behavior by "generally disrupt[ing] normal on-topic discussion." Other than people disciplining themselves, a concerted effort to police such abuses, or making moderation logs public on the bottom of a comment where the score is shown now, I'm unsure of what to do about. As it stands, it is getting increasingly ridiculous to read what discussion is here on any topic remotely controversial, and is expanding outside of even those. It is starting to drive me away from the site, and I'm somewhat confident it is doing the same for others. I'd be interested to see what others think about the depth of the problem, if they even believe it even exists at all, and what solutions you all have for it.

[Ed note. This story is published exactly as received. First off, it bears repeating that complaining about moderations in the comments often leads (rightly) to an off-topic moderation. That is a contributing factor to my decision to run this story. Secondly, moderation is something that I on occasion have found I've fat-fingered and given a different moderation than expected. Thirdly, in the grand scheme of things, a comment's moderation is — relatively speaking — small potatoes. It is NOT a measure of your IQ or value as a human being. or standing in the community. Just accept that stuff happens and that as likely as not, someone will be along to moderate it the other way. Which is a good opportunity to say: PLEASE USE YOUR MOD POINTS! Lastly, if you think a comment was moderated in error, then send the CID (Comment ID) link e.g. "(#876543)" in an email to admin (at) soylentnews (dot) org. Keep in mind however that we are all volunteers here and there most likely will be a delay between when you send out an email and when we can get around to it. --martyb]

[Updated: 20190823_111312 UTC See comment from JR who far more precisely and eloquently expressed the idea I was attempting to. I concur with his assessment. If I want people to upmod a comment of mine that I believe was unfairly downmodded, then I need to be willing to upmod other's mis-modded comments. For perspective, so far this month, anywhere from ~150-~350 mod points were used in any given day. It bears repeating: use your mod points!]


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  • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday August 24 2019, @06:11AM (18 children)

    Yes, they can see your stuff. You can't see theirs. If you respond directly to a tweet (fairly easy even when blocked) or via mention, they will see it. You need to learn what you're talking about before you go off like this.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 24 2019, @07:35PM (17 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 24 2019, @07:35PM (#884877)

    https://help.twitter.com/en/using-twitter/someone-blocked-me-on-twitter [twitter.com]

    Blocking helps people in restricting specific accounts from contacting them, seeing their Tweets, and following them.

    https://help.twitter.com/en/using-twitter/blocking-and-unblocking-accounts [twitter.com]

    You will not receive notifications from accounts you block, or accounts that you do not follow who mention you in conversations started by accounts that you block.

    Blocked accounts cannot: Send Direct Messages to you

    Tweets from blocked accounts will not appear in your timeline.

    • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday August 25 2019, @02:35PM (16 children)

      That's new functionality then. At the time this case was instituted you could see every mention and reply from blocked people. I know this first hand because I saw multiple people get banned for continuing to @mention people who had blocked them. Twitter called it harassment at the time.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 25 2019, @07:29PM (15 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 25 2019, @07:29PM (#885334)

        Then maybe the next time you are throwing around "You need to learn what you're talking about before you go off like this," you should double check your facts. Hell, everyone should. Citations are much more convincing then a bare assertion anyway.

        • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday August 26 2019, @03:24PM (14 children)

          It's not the first time I've been wrong and it won't be the last. Double checking everything I say every time I say it? That's not even a realistic option even strictly from a wasted time standpoint. Regardless, when the blocks Trump was butthurting folks with happened, the functionality was exactly like I said it was.

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          • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Tuesday August 27 2019, @01:34PM (13 children)

            by c0lo (156) on Tuesday August 27 2019, @01:34PM (#886064) Journal

            Yeah, righto! Spewing shit without checking makes life so much easier...

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            • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday August 27 2019, @11:47PM (12 children)

              If I were a news anchor/editor/reporter that would be a valid burn. Expecting ordinary people to check that things they know to be true have not changed behind their back every time they speak is disingenuous absurdity.

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              • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Wednesday August 28 2019, @12:18AM (11 children)

                by c0lo (156) on Wednesday August 28 2019, @12:18AM (#886515) Journal

                Careful when it comes to thinks you are basing your decisions in regards with S/N.
                Sloppiness begets sloppiness, even when the original sloppiness has manifested in other areas.

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                • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday August 28 2019, @12:42AM (10 children)

                  SN isn't an issue. I don't expect to start forgetting the site rules or important functionality for a decade or two yet. When I eventually do, I have plenty of folks to crowdsource corrections from.

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                  • (Score: 3, Touché) by c0lo on Wednesday August 28 2019, @12:50AM (9 children)

                    by c0lo (156) on Wednesday August 28 2019, @12:50AM (#886549) Journal

                    I don't expect to start forgetting the site rules or important functionality for a decade or two yet.

                    Some lowish-number-of weeks ago... that self-imposed ban following an abuse of modding? I might have heard it wrong then, it never happened to you. Right?

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                    • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday August 28 2019, @02:02AM (8 children)

                      Who said I forgot anything? That was straight up bad moderating or it wouldn't have deserved a ban. We never ban for iffy cases.

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                      • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Wednesday August 28 2019, @02:20AM (7 children)

                        by c0lo (156) on Wednesday August 28 2019, @02:20AM (#886597) Journal

                        But you forgot the rules and made the mistake in the first place, before taking the punishment, isn't it?
                        Expecting it or not, that's an example contradicting your

                        I don't expect to start forgetting the site rules or important functionality for a decade or two yet.

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                        • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday August 28 2019, @02:26AM (6 children)

                          I didn't forget. I'm not making any cop-out excuses for that. I just straight up broke them and took the same lumps I'd dish out to anyone else.

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                          • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Wednesday August 28 2019, @02:34AM (5 children)

                            by c0lo (156) on Wednesday August 28 2019, @02:34AM (#886601) Journal

                            Ok, so willful abuse of power it is, then (grin)

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                            • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday August 28 2019, @02:49AM (4 children)

                              Ordinary user power though not admin power. I'm more deliberate about adminy stuff precisely because of the abuse potential and discuss it with the other admins if there's any doubt.

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                              • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Thursday August 29 2019, @07:38AM (3 children)

                                by aristarchus (2645) on Thursday August 29 2019, @07:38AM (#887202) Journal

                                aristarchus, mod-banned by the The Mortiarity Brandsouertard, for painting him and his alt-right buddies with too broad a brush. It is Soylent History, not in dispute. TMB is a Nazi sympathizer, if not an actually white supremacist, which it is hard to be if you are Choctaw, or Samoan [wweek.com], or boat people from Vietnam, [wikipedia.org], or hapa-haole part Nipponese like Joey Gibson [www.nrc.nl], not even a white Proud Buoy.

                                He was born in Camas, Washington, and is of Irish and Japanese descent.[34][35] Gibson is married to Haley Gibson.[36]

                                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joey_Gibson_(political_activist) [wikipedia.org]

                                I am sure his Japanese parent is quite ashamed of his violations of the law.

                                And Malfoy Draco is appalled: Mudbloods, you know.

                                So why did you get the original aristarchus submission rejected, after it had been accepted? You are a hypocrite, my lower Busstard! You need to do more than wear the cone of shame for a short time. You need to fess up to you ideological bias, and inordinate influence on the Editors. I will continue to paint you with a brush that is suitably broad, you person ignorant of political theory!

                                • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday August 29 2019, @10:28AM (2 children)

                                  Poor ari. Does it bother you that much that I'm able to make a convincing argument in an open IRC channel while you can't seem to manage? Is it that painful that I only had to point out your hardon for extremist progtard propaganda once for the entire world to see it for what it is?

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                                  • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Thursday August 29 2019, @08:04PM (1 child)

                                    by aristarchus (2645) on Thursday August 29 2019, @08:04PM (#887473) Journal

                                    A convincing argument for censorship? You are hoisting yourself on your own petard, Buzzy!

                                    • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday August 30 2019, @12:33PM

                                      A convincing argument against promoting propaganda. You're perfectly free to publish the exact same nonsense in your journal on the exact same site and it will be linked in the Most Recent Journal Entries box on the front page. It takes some serious mental gymnastics to call that censorship.

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