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posted by martyb on Friday August 23 2019, @06:17AM   Printer-friendly
from the tragedy-of-the-commons dept.

I was going to post this to a particular story, but thought this might generate more attention and discussion as a general submission.

Seriously, what is going on with all these troll mods? Just because you disagree with someone, thus earning a "disagree" mod, does not mean that person is a "troll." To steal a definition from Urban Dictionary:

An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.

Just because you disagree with someone, does not mean they are trying to do the above. Be faster on the "disagree" and slower on the "troll." Under such abuse, it is hard to have a good discussion and, in itself, is trollish behavior by "generally disrupt[ing] normal on-topic discussion." Other than people disciplining themselves, a concerted effort to police such abuses, or making moderation logs public on the bottom of a comment where the score is shown now, I'm unsure of what to do about. As it stands, it is getting increasingly ridiculous to read what discussion is here on any topic remotely controversial, and is expanding outside of even those. It is starting to drive me away from the site, and I'm somewhat confident it is doing the same for others. I'd be interested to see what others think about the depth of the problem, if they even believe it even exists at all, and what solutions you all have for it.

[Ed note. This story is published exactly as received. First off, it bears repeating that complaining about moderations in the comments often leads (rightly) to an off-topic moderation. That is a contributing factor to my decision to run this story. Secondly, moderation is something that I on occasion have found I've fat-fingered and given a different moderation than expected. Thirdly, in the grand scheme of things, a comment's moderation is — relatively speaking — small potatoes. It is NOT a measure of your IQ or value as a human being. or standing in the community. Just accept that stuff happens and that as likely as not, someone will be along to moderate it the other way. Which is a good opportunity to say: PLEASE USE YOUR MOD POINTS! Lastly, if you think a comment was moderated in error, then send the CID (Comment ID) link e.g. "(#876543)" in an email to admin (at) soylentnews (dot) org. Keep in mind however that we are all volunteers here and there most likely will be a delay between when you send out an email and when we can get around to it. --martyb]

[Updated: 20190823_111312 UTC See comment from JR who far more precisely and eloquently expressed the idea I was attempting to. I concur with his assessment. If I want people to upmod a comment of mine that I believe was unfairly downmodded, then I need to be willing to upmod other's mis-modded comments. For perspective, so far this month, anywhere from ~150-~350 mod points were used in any given day. It bears repeating: use your mod points!]


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  • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Monday August 26 2019, @12:11PM (10 children)

    by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Monday August 26 2019, @12:11PM (#885605) Journal

    You also need to carefully read Janrinok's disturbing opinions too, which I called out in my now non-existent journal entry.

    I would love to know which 'disturbing opinions' you called out, I could then perhaps defend myself. But as I cannot can read them, and nor can anyone else, it is a bit of a slur to accuse me of even having 'disturbing opinions'. Am I accused of supporting sexual relationships with cattle, or perhaps believing that the earth is flat?

    Nonetheless, everyone here is entitled to their own opinion. I'm not forcing mine, disturbing or otherwise, on anyone else

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  • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Thursday August 29 2019, @12:59AM (9 children)

    by aristarchus (2645) on Thursday August 29 2019, @12:59AM (#887081) Journal

    You disturb me, janrinok, whether you support Runaway's habits of animal husbandry or not. It is the naivete, and the purposeful ignoring, and thus supporting by default, Nazis. Brits should not support Nazis. Though, historically, many did. Peace in our time, and Free Speech on SoylentNews! Blimey.

    • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Thursday August 29 2019, @06:12AM (8 children)

      by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Thursday August 29 2019, @06:12AM (#887187) Journal

      As I haven't done any of things that you are accusing me of, I can sleep soundly.

      I'm glad that I disturb you. Now that gives me a sense of contentment.

      • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Thursday August 29 2019, @06:51AM (7 children)

        by aristarchus (2645) on Thursday August 29 2019, @06:51AM (#887193) Journal

        "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is the world is for good men to do nothing." Edmund Burke, [realdemocracy.com], an Englishman, by the way. Oh, how the English have fallen, and become janrinok!

        • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Thursday August 29 2019, @07:58AM (6 children)

          by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Thursday August 29 2019, @07:58AM (#887204) Journal

          Who said I am doing nothing? You know little about my life away from SN and yet you feel you can pass judgements under the guise of being a dead philosopher. It is you that is doing nothing of any value here.

          • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Thursday August 29 2019, @08:22AM (5 children)

            by aristarchus (2645) on Thursday August 29 2019, @08:22AM (#887207) Journal

            "Remains of the Day", janrinok. It is a great novel about the decrepitude of British society, and the support, tacit or otherwise, for the Third Reich. Which side are you on?

            • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Thursday August 29 2019, @09:36AM (4 children)

              by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Thursday August 29 2019, @09:36AM (#887216) Journal
              Not yours.
              • (Score: 1, Flamebait) by aristarchus on Thursday August 29 2019, @09:53AM (3 children)

                by aristarchus (2645) on Thursday August 29 2019, @09:53AM (#887220) Journal

                So, we'll put you down as a Nazi sympathizer, then. You know, you really hide the anti-semitism well! Any thoughts on Roma and Tinkers? Poles and Hungarian Phrasebooks? I think your hovercraft is full of eels. Be serious, janrinok! You are about to be left on the wrong (or, the right?) side of the Chunnel! Are you white, or are you a man? What is the frequency, Kenneth?

                • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Thursday August 29 2019, @10:59AM (2 children)

                  by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Thursday August 29 2019, @10:59AM (#887235) Journal

                  You just talk about things. What are you doing practically to address the issues that you object to? You blame everyone else for not acting but you do nothing yourself. Sorry, Ari, nothing you say here will ever change the real world. And you do not contribute on any other subject in any meaningful way. Show me where you have made a genuine contribution in a comment regarding any other story than alt-right or politics. How about something intelligent in one of the STEM topics? No, they are too difficult for you.

                  All you do is make unfounded accusations and try to goad others into responding. You can put me in any group you wish. You are wrong, again, but that has never changed anything you have done in the past so I'm not optimistic that it will today either.

                  As you have nothing of any significance to contribute I'm going to get on with the rest of my day now.

                  • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Friday August 30 2019, @12:08AM (1 child)

                    by aristarchus (2645) on Friday August 30 2019, @12:08AM (#887563) Journal

                    No, janrinok, you do not need to know what I do, practically, to fight fascists, nor do you have the clearance for it. And again, STEM is a SCAM for MAGA!

                    • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Friday August 30 2019, @06:25AM

                      by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Friday August 30 2019, @06:25AM (#887670) Journal

                      nor do you have the clearance for it

                      Well, at least that made me laugh. Tell Scully to get back to work.