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posted by martyb on Friday August 23 2019, @06:17AM   Printer-friendly
from the tragedy-of-the-commons dept.

I was going to post this to a particular story, but thought this might generate more attention and discussion as a general submission.

Seriously, what is going on with all these troll mods? Just because you disagree with someone, thus earning a "disagree" mod, does not mean that person is a "troll." To steal a definition from Urban Dictionary:

An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.

Just because you disagree with someone, does not mean they are trying to do the above. Be faster on the "disagree" and slower on the "troll." Under such abuse, it is hard to have a good discussion and, in itself, is trollish behavior by "generally disrupt[ing] normal on-topic discussion." Other than people disciplining themselves, a concerted effort to police such abuses, or making moderation logs public on the bottom of a comment where the score is shown now, I'm unsure of what to do about. As it stands, it is getting increasingly ridiculous to read what discussion is here on any topic remotely controversial, and is expanding outside of even those. It is starting to drive me away from the site, and I'm somewhat confident it is doing the same for others. I'd be interested to see what others think about the depth of the problem, if they even believe it even exists at all, and what solutions you all have for it.

[Ed note. This story is published exactly as received. First off, it bears repeating that complaining about moderations in the comments often leads (rightly) to an off-topic moderation. That is a contributing factor to my decision to run this story. Secondly, moderation is something that I on occasion have found I've fat-fingered and given a different moderation than expected. Thirdly, in the grand scheme of things, a comment's moderation is — relatively speaking — small potatoes. It is NOT a measure of your IQ or value as a human being. or standing in the community. Just accept that stuff happens and that as likely as not, someone will be along to moderate it the other way. Which is a good opportunity to say: PLEASE USE YOUR MOD POINTS! Lastly, if you think a comment was moderated in error, then send the CID (Comment ID) link e.g. "(#876543)" in an email to admin (at) soylentnews (dot) org. Keep in mind however that we are all volunteers here and there most likely will be a delay between when you send out an email and when we can get around to it. --martyb]

[Updated: 20190823_111312 UTC See comment from JR who far more precisely and eloquently expressed the idea I was attempting to. I concur with his assessment. If I want people to upmod a comment of mine that I believe was unfairly downmodded, then I need to be willing to upmod other's mis-modded comments. For perspective, so far this month, anywhere from ~150-~350 mod points were used in any given day. It bears repeating: use your mod points!]


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  • (Score: 2) by RamiK on Friday August 23 2019, @07:40PM (3 children)

    by RamiK (1813) on Friday August 23 2019, @07:40PM (#884321)

    screw downmods for offending

    I feel the same but it's a fact that people down-vote when they're offended so at least this way you could set your user filters to ignore Offensive downvotes altogether.

    Frankly, we could replace all moderations with Worth Reading and STFU

    I'm afraid +/-1 youtube style does little to promote good discourse. It didn't do much for Google+ either. The whole point in a verbose moderation is to force people to think rather than hit that tribal +1 whenever their personal opinion are mirrored. Or at least, identify the yea-saying for what it is when it's done.

    That's how all moderations are supposed to be used except for Disagree (which was really me making fun of people who can't control themselves).

    That's right there is the problem. If an interface isn't being used properly by most users, the problem is the interface.

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  • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday August 24 2019, @12:28AM (1 child)

    by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Saturday August 24 2019, @12:28AM (#884431) Homepage Journal

    Reckon anyone would get the point if I added an +-0 I'm Butthurt mod?

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    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by RamiK on Saturday August 24 2019, @09:23AM

      by RamiK (1813) on Saturday August 24 2019, @09:23AM (#884637)

      Actually neutral mods for Offensive might be useful for filters and such without actually hiding the content by default / for users while still hiding the spam crap. Yeah, that could work...

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  • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Monday August 26 2019, @10:23AM

    by FatPhil (863) <reversethis-{if.fdsa} {ta} {tnelyos-cp}> on Monday August 26 2019, @10:23AM (#885586) Homepage
    It is clear that many of the least useful posts, from the point of progressing the on-topic argument, are ones which are deliberately offensive in order to provoke an emotional response more than a rational one.

    Ones that hook you into replying with something equally offensive, and with a righteous anger (well, they offended you *first*, right) behind them.

    Ones that bait you into flaming.

    Oh - we have a mod for that: '-1 Flamebait'
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