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I was going to post this to a particular story, but thought this might generate more attention and discussion as a general submission.
Seriously, what is going on with all these troll mods? Just because you disagree with someone, thus earning a "disagree" mod, does not mean that person is a "troll." To steal a definition from Urban Dictionary:
An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.
Just because you disagree with someone, does not mean they are trying to do the above. Be faster on the "disagree" and slower on the "troll." Under such abuse, it is hard to have a good discussion and, in itself, is trollish behavior by "generally disrupt[ing] normal on-topic discussion." Other than people disciplining themselves, a concerted effort to police such abuses, or making moderation logs public on the bottom of a comment where the score is shown now, I'm unsure of what to do about. As it stands, it is getting increasingly ridiculous to read what discussion is here on any topic remotely controversial, and is expanding outside of even those. It is starting to drive me away from the site, and I'm somewhat confident it is doing the same for others. I'd be interested to see what others think about the depth of the problem, if they even believe it even exists at all, and what solutions you all have for it.
[Ed note. This story is published exactly as received. First off, it bears repeating that complaining about moderations in the comments often leads (rightly) to an off-topic moderation. That is a contributing factor to my decision to run this story. Secondly, moderation is something that I on occasion have found I've fat-fingered and given a different moderation than expected. Thirdly, in the grand scheme of things, a comment's moderation is — relatively speaking — small potatoes. It is NOT a measure of your IQ or value as a human being. or standing in the community. Just accept that stuff happens and that as likely as not, someone will be along to moderate it the other way. Which is a good opportunity to say: PLEASE USE YOUR MOD POINTS! Lastly, if you think a comment was moderated in error, then send the CID (Comment ID) link e.g. "(#876543)" in an email to admin (at) soylentnews (dot) org. Keep in mind however that we are all volunteers here and there most likely will be a delay between when you send out an email and when we can get around to it. --martyb]
[Updated: 20190823_111312 UTC See comment from JR who far more precisely and eloquently expressed the idea I was attempting to. I concur with his assessment. If I want people to upmod a comment of mine that I believe was unfairly downmodded, then I need to be willing to upmod other's mis-modded comments. For perspective, so far this month, anywhere from ~150-~350 mod points were used in any given day. It bears repeating: use your mod points!]
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday August 24 2019, @12:48AM (1 child)
He's not at all crazy. If anything he's entirely too sane, and speaking from experience. It is not paranoia when people actually are out to get you, and being well-adjusted to a sick society is not a sign of a healthy psyche but an ignorant and/or defeated one.
See, not everyone who seems crazy is actually crazy. Some of them are, but others may just have insight into society or human nature you don't. "Doesn't jibe with my worldview at first blush" is not the same as insane; examine *why* there's a mismatch. Now if the reason turns out to be something like "the Reptilians of Zeta Reticuli are trying to get us all to kill ourselves in nuclear holocaust so they can feast on our souls," then yes, it's time to pull out the C-word.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by jmichaelhudsondotnet on Saturday August 24 2019, @01:47PM
Thank you for saying this.
I have read all conspiracy literature I can find, this is just one of the traits that I think makes me interesting to the watchers.
When I grew up, I really believed what I was taught, I was an honors history student who was actually trying to understand locke and hobbes when I was 16. I participated in every class discussion and kindof thought the other people in my class, a few of whom went on to harvard, were kindof dull in the head.
I have to be really careful what I say not to lose any credibilty, because what undercovers have done to me in numerous instances, in numerous cities, is outright crazy, I hardly believe it, or it astounds me. I can't believe anyone would consider this type of harassment and infiltration a day job, it boggles my mind.
I can just say that I can't relate to what they are doing at all, it is unamerican and against everything in the constitution.
So I don't know who is at the top of america's totem pole because the system operates so opposite to how it is advertised, that it has competely shaken my trust in what it is. Now I honestly don't know what it is. All I know is it is total bullshit to think you have privacy, free speech, freedom to assemble or civilian control of government, and that something behind the scenes jumps around local police and courts running undercover operations that are outright silly, or more like what one would expect in east germany.
Like at an open mic night attended by ~20 people, would you espect the MC to be an undercover cop? True story.
But if someone wants to talk about freedom or progress in america, you need to first talk with someone who tried and failed, and knows what you are up against. And if you read the intercept articles on the resistance to the pipelines, or black lives matter, it is going to confirm exactly what I am telling you.
People who want to cast people like myself, who are really trying to reduce it to the actual problem of rights and governance, who did survive intact, are i suspect from what I have seen the real danger to the system. It's not like after responding a hundred times peacefully to the most outrageous betrayals and insults is enough to get a pass, or somehow escape the web. No, proving that you are better and capable of rising above makes you *more* dangerous apparently from what I can tell, so you get *more* harassment. Which is also what is inhuman, you couldn't pay me to do this eternal investigation stuff to someone breaking a law they don't even know exists.
There is a book about amish war resisters to world war I, where this farmboy resisted the draft. They put him in leavenworth and beat him every day for months, then brought him out for a trial without a lawyer, and beat him during the trial, and he never fought back until he really felt he was finally within an inch of his life, and he finally took a hail mary swing at the sergeant beating him.
Then they said he wasn't a pacifist and gave him a life sentence for lying to escape the draft.
This is why the alien thing sounds right sometimes even though I have no evidence, because the system is so mean it feels inhuman when you come up against it.
If I am convincing you of something, *that* is the power I have that they don't like being outside of their control. I honestly think many of the undercovers I met thought they were being given wrong orders and honestly support bernie sanders and so tried to have fun with it and be as nice as they could, but there were others that did some extremely mean gasligthing shit to me and someone destroyed my car computer remotely which put me in real danger and is just cruel.
I am available for interviews, I'm a real person, I have a real site, I want to talk about this, I will answer all questions, people have to know what is going on. But do you think youtube is going to host this discussion? Do you think your patreon is going to work? lol nope.
Someone wrote this site is small and cops don't care etc, but the truth is you need to get the 'local' cop idea out of your head, it is now all fused together. And they are primarily concerned what 'intelligence', that means what intelligent people are doing, and in the clearnet I'm not sure if you've noticed but SN is that. This is a site intelligent people actually read from their desks like I have for years before I started posting. Yes even in the NSA, and I am actually trying to communicate with them intentionally citizen to citizen, to let them know what it like on the other end of their maniacal contraptions that focus incredible attention on someone like me, but none on people like Mr. Epstein. Which is to say, their shit is broken and they should do something about it plz thx.
Which is to say it's a living nightmare and I don't deserve it. Either admit I am brilliant and an important person who has a valuable contribution so I can live a life, or leave me alone. You can't just flag someone as a 'potential breakout artist' and then ruin their life so they can't ever live their dreams because they aren't going to lick your balls once they are successful. That' evil, that's antiamerican.
And that is what is going on.