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I was going to post this to a particular story, but thought this might generate more attention and discussion as a general submission.
Seriously, what is going on with all these troll mods? Just because you disagree with someone, thus earning a "disagree" mod, does not mean that person is a "troll." To steal a definition from Urban Dictionary:
An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.
Just because you disagree with someone, does not mean they are trying to do the above. Be faster on the "disagree" and slower on the "troll." Under such abuse, it is hard to have a good discussion and, in itself, is trollish behavior by "generally disrupt[ing] normal on-topic discussion." Other than people disciplining themselves, a concerted effort to police such abuses, or making moderation logs public on the bottom of a comment where the score is shown now, I'm unsure of what to do about. As it stands, it is getting increasingly ridiculous to read what discussion is here on any topic remotely controversial, and is expanding outside of even those. It is starting to drive me away from the site, and I'm somewhat confident it is doing the same for others. I'd be interested to see what others think about the depth of the problem, if they even believe it even exists at all, and what solutions you all have for it.
[Ed note. This story is published exactly as received. First off, it bears repeating that complaining about moderations in the comments often leads (rightly) to an off-topic moderation. That is a contributing factor to my decision to run this story. Secondly, moderation is something that I on occasion have found I've fat-fingered and given a different moderation than expected. Thirdly, in the grand scheme of things, a comment's moderation is — relatively speaking — small potatoes. It is NOT a measure of your IQ or value as a human being. or standing in the community. Just accept that stuff happens and that as likely as not, someone will be along to moderate it the other way. Which is a good opportunity to say: PLEASE USE YOUR MOD POINTS! Lastly, if you think a comment was moderated in error, then send the CID (Comment ID) link e.g. "(#876543)" in an email to admin (at) soylentnews (dot) org. Keep in mind however that we are all volunteers here and there most likely will be a delay between when you send out an email and when we can get around to it. --martyb]
[Updated: 20190823_111312 UTC See comment from JR who far more precisely and eloquently expressed the idea I was attempting to. I concur with his assessment. If I want people to upmod a comment of mine that I believe was unfairly downmodded, then I need to be willing to upmod other's mis-modded comments. For perspective, so far this month, anywhere from ~150-~350 mod points were used in any given day. It bears repeating: use your mod points!]
(Score: 2) by exaeta on Saturday August 24 2019, @03:18AM (16 children)
Why would the police give a fuck about this site? They have shit to deal with. If someone is attacking this site, it's probably some group associated with the DNC and a politician. Or possibly the NSA, they hate us tech nerds who expose them.
Seriously though your local police do not give a fuck.
The Government is a Bird
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday August 24 2019, @04:26AM (14 children)
Game wardens would be more likely given the guy who does most of the admining/coding.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by jmichaelhudsondotnet on Saturday August 24 2019, @02:09PM (13 children)
lol
plz check my response to the parent of this comment for my full response to his question, which I believe may also be helpful to you.
btw since we're here, I am trying to start this thing where people can debate online but I am really not a coder.
What if jmorriss and antarchus(sp) could have a SN(or elsewhere) debate where both sides are heard and publicized in a 5000 word back and forth with some loose rules?
I have for many years thought something like this should exist, but I decided to go for it and bought the domain globaldebate.net.
I think it is what the world needs, I'm tired of watching people scream at each other with no outlet for people with opposing views to engage each other besides watching propaganda surrogates on teevee.
What do you think?
(Score: 3, Interesting) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday August 24 2019, @03:18PM (12 children)
Got the #884532 sub-tree open in a tab to do so later. You're a bit verbose for me to read unless I have a lot of attention stored up at the moment. Not "make me want to choke The Roomie to death for playing Jordan Peterson in the truck" verbose but more than I can usually read in one sitting. I can handle hours of stories or something that's informative but discussion leaves me wanting to scream "Get to the freaking point!" after two or three paragraphs.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by jmichaelhudsondotnet on Saturday August 24 2019, @04:38PM (11 children)
fair enough. im trying.
that is kindof the point of my idea though with globaldebate, we need to make people get to the point in confrontation with each other and give them a place to do so, so that we can find the middle ground easier and have interesting back and forth rather than having to choose which podium to to sit under.
and in our times which fabricated riot to be pro forma legally involved with...
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday August 25 2019, @02:37PM (10 children)
Looking for your own platform for that or is that something you're saying you'd like added to SN?
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by jmichaelhudsondotnet on Sunday August 25 2019, @10:02PM (9 children)
Both, either, all. It's an idea whose time has come.
I will eventually host such a site one way or the other, but for some reason I can see a 'soylent showdown' type of thing when two users are really back and forth in a thread and agree to a focused discussion about an issue. I think it could be productive and educational, and funny.
I think, believe, it is imperative to get people with opposing views talking more with each other and preaching less to the choir, I have this wild theory it might work against all of the pointless violence.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday August 26 2019, @03:33PM (8 children)
Could be done as a separate nexus but extra code would need to be added so only those involved in the debate could comment. Not a huge deal but not a write it during my morning coffee one day deal either.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by jmichaelhudsondotnet on Tuesday August 27 2019, @08:32AM (7 children)
That's about what I would estimate, I'm not a coder so it would take me forever.
What would it take to get that to happen? Could I somehow campaign in the community or make a formal proposal?
If I wanted to buiild just that, something like a forum but where it was designed to let people directly argue, what framework would be best? ruby?
At any rate, thanks for your time and consideration. I will continue to think the world is upside down to the extent that everyone wants to argue but the internet offers no efficient means to do so.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday August 27 2019, @10:33AM (6 children)
To get the coding done? It would just take me having the time (busy as hell offline) and ability (RSI issues) to code, which I likely won't have much of until near the holidays. To get it used on the site? An Ask Soylent story with enough interest that the eds start setting them up.
For long form discussion between two people? Manual HTML files probably. Unless you're doing a lot of them you wouldn't be saving all that much time or effort by using a framework.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by jmichaelhudsondotnet on Tuesday August 27 2019, @07:47PM (5 children)
Thanks for this.
One more question, why doesn't my journal work? I think I'd use it if it did.
Ok one more, how do you make a an ask soylent submission? Do I just make a normal one and call it ask SN?
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday August 27 2019, @11:55PM (4 children)
It should. Are you getting an error of some sort?
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by jmichaelhudsondotnet on Wednesday August 28 2019, @06:52AM (3 children)
Yeah when I post to my journal it never saves, journal is always empty after save.
I would like to post an ask SN also, how do I do that?
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday August 28 2019, @02:23PM (2 children)
You certain you're hitting Save instead of Preview on the journal? No error messages or anything like that?
Just submit a story like normal with "Ask SN:" in the subject.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by jmichaelhudsondotnet on Thursday August 29 2019, @10:01AM (1 child)
Ah, to be public you have to allow comments. I had not done that so I think it didn't work. You might want to make that error message a little larger, but good deal.
Thank you for answering a couple questions, cheers.
(Score: 3, Informative) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday August 29 2019, @10:32AM
Known bug, yep. It's on the very long list.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by jmichaelhudsondotnet on Saturday August 24 2019, @02:04PM
We are not talking about local police. Those don't exist anymore in the united states at least, they have been 'fused'. This is really bad, it means that local cops can now be called on to pull someone over because nearly anyone at the state or national level has a hunch or even wish to bother someone.
This site is of interest because intelligent people talk on it, and spies are primarily concerned with the ideas of intelligent people.
Basically they can let 100k people run totally amok on instagram for years at a time if they just knew no one in the group had an IQ over 115. They are in a contained system, they will never break out of it.
As soon as there is someone with an IQ of 130+ in that group, the 100k people become a threat to the powers that rule them, and a big one.
If they can simply track down all people with IQ above their arbitrary line, they can just monitor those people and the rest can break literally every law they want and it won't affect the system.
So if you have a website that attracts intelligent people, like SN, you are like a beacon for every spy agency in the world. They don't want to scroll through 100k rando repetetive comments from normal people, they want to track down the council of elders of their opponents, the last indian chief, etc and be the first to hear what they have to say about something and then either silence them or incorporate them into the propaganda system.
It is very complex, lookup what happens on Elgin airforce base and the executive orders prez Obama pushed through that allows the military to pay soldiers on bases to post on reddit and be reddit mods. It's a true disaster for america, really stupid. They are defending our opinions from ourselves, and calling it defense, it's nuts.
But they are doing it.
I drew some crude pictures so that anyone could understand it:
https://jmichaelhudson.net/4-important-drawings/ [jmichaelhudson.net]
I am writing partially for the human beings trapped on the other side of this system, so that they can see how it is being used by people like Mr. Epstein to attack people who believe in freedom. Which is to say, I am telling them that they can't think of themselves as the goodguys if their tools are used by the bad guys to attack the good guys, which is what is happening, right now, as we speak, and for whatever reason I find myself on the front line of this, which is also why I am posting here even though people will call me crazy, for my safety, and to minimize the chances that my considerable work is at some later date simply erased to make way for a more convenient narrative.