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posted by martyb on Saturday March 21 2020, @12:30PM   Printer-friendly
from the if-at-first-you-don't-succeed,-avoid-skydiving-or-making-immediate-changes-directly-to-live-systems dept.

[2020-03-21 15:06:00 UTC: Update 1:
(1) Reminder: this has so far been implemented only on our *development* server (https://dev.soylentnews.org/); it has NOT yet been rolled out to this (the production) servers.
(2) The control (now a simple text link, no longer a button) no longer defaults to taking up a whole physical line immediately above the first comment.
(3) Please note that in certain corner-cases, it is possible that screen size limitations may cause an overflow onto the next line.
(4) And the control should now appear aligned-right in the story header. =)
--martyb]

[2020-03-21 15:42:00 UTC: Update 2: Fixed typo in the first of the above two links to our dev server. --martyb]

This is a follow-up to: Changing the Site UI to Making Long Stories Easier to Navigate -- Input Requested.

Wow! Thanks for all the positive feedback to the previous story! I knew the implementation was a bit rough around the edges, so I very much appreciate the positive, constructive feedback that was provided!

Based on your input -- primarily displeasure in having a single button take up a whole physical line -- I have modified the in-memory template on our development server to now provide a textual link in the story header right after the printer icon. It should only appear when viewing the story by itself; there should be no indication of this on the main page.

To repeat, this is only on our development server so far; it is not yest implemented on our production server (i.e. what you see here).

In short, should this get rolled out to production?

  1. Yes.
  2. Yes, with these suggested changes.
  3. No.

Please refer to the previous story (linked above) for test scenarios and reply with any issues you may find!

teamwork++


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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 21 2020, @01:12PM (8 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 21 2020, @01:12PM (#973812)

    Because then we can read it in full first time around.

  • (Score: 3, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 21 2020, @02:12PM (4 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 21 2020, @02:12PM (#973827)

    I can't see the button. You should make it bigger and make it flash with bright colors, or perhaps float it under the curser so people can see it.

    • (Score: 3, Funny) by martyb on Saturday March 21 2020, @04:03PM

      by martyb (76) Subscriber Badge on Saturday March 21 2020, @04:03PM (#973858) Journal

      I can't see the button. You should make it bigger and make it flash with bright colors, or perhaps float it under the curser so people can see it.

      "Float it under the curser..." Watch your language! =)

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      Wit is intellect, dancing.
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 21 2020, @04:23PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 21 2020, @04:23PM (#973863)

      what button?

    • (Score: 2) by sjames on Saturday March 21 2020, @06:54PM

      by sjames (2882) on Saturday March 21 2020, @06:54PM (#973897) Journal

      Do that and the curser is all of us.

    • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Saturday March 21 2020, @09:41PM

      by FatPhil (863) <reversethis-{if.fdsa} {ta} {tnelyos-cp}> on Saturday March 21 2020, @09:41PM (#973933) Homepage
      Dude, I keep telling you - use the 'vomit' theme, that will improve your user experience tenfold.
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  • (Score: 2) by martyb on Saturday March 21 2020, @03:38PM (2 children)

    by martyb (76) Subscriber Badge on Saturday March 21 2020, @03:38PM (#973849) Journal

    Show it first time hide it the second time?

    Because then we can read it in full first time around.

    That sounds like a great idea. A deeper look "under the hood" reveals there would be a whole lot required to implement that.

    New field(s) in the database. New code to write the date/time stamp of when it was first read (or even a boolean flag). New code to retrieve it. New code to determine if the section should be shown or not. New code to implement the hide/show. New code to allow override (Yes, I read it a while ago, but I want to read it again now; how to we make that option available?) How to set a preference? Never hide? Hide after first read? Always hide? Hide override>? I'll grant you the logic is not exceedingly difficult. OTOH, it is not as easy as it appears on the surface: there are many corner cases to consider, too.

    What I've implemented so far was strictly in an in-memory site template (think: glorified macros). Doing the other stuff would require coding for SQL, Perl, and templates. Further it would require a rebuild and redeployment to get it "live".

    For those reasons, and others, I do not foresee it being implemented any time soon.

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    Wit is intellect, dancing.
    • (Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Saturday March 21 2020, @09:33PM (1 child)

      Show it first time hide it the second time?

              Because then we can read it in full first time around.

      That sounds like a great idea. A deeper look "under the hood" reveals there would be a whole lot required to implement that.

      Actually, the way it is now seems just fine. When you go to the main page (currently on https://dev.soylentnews.org [soylentnews.org] ) you see the first part of TFS (assuming there's more) and you don't see the "Skip to comments" button until you actually select the story.

      That gives us a chance to see if we even *want* to see the rest of the story or the comments. As such, I think it's just fine as it is.

      Good work on this martyb! I take back some of the things I've said about you. :) :) :)

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      • (Score: 2) by martyb on Sunday March 22 2020, @01:47PM

        by martyb (76) Subscriber Badge on Sunday March 22 2020, @01:47PM (#974125) Journal

        Actually, the way it is now seems just fine. When you go to the main page (currently on https://dev.soylentnews.org [soylentnews.org] [soylentnews.org] ) you see the first part of TFS (assuming there's more) and you don't see the "Skip to comments" button until you actually select the story.

        Thanks for noticing! By default, it would have displayed it on the main page; I had to do some extra CSS work to specifically exclude it. Especially since the target of the link ("#acomments") does not even exist on the main page! The target is created only when you actually open the story by itself.

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        Wit is intellect, dancing.