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posted by NCommander on Monday June 08 2020, @01:57PM   Printer-friendly
from the somewhat-overdue dept.

As promised, here's the round-table discussion post that I said on Wednesday was coming. We have a long history at SoylentNews of listening and responding to our community; I genuinely hope that never changes. I also recognize that I may have ruffled some feathers in the last few weeks with original content postings so here's the best place to get this all out.

I am mindful of the community's support and goodwill; I don't want to squander any of it. Yes, there are times where my hand may be forced (e.g., DCMA takedowns). Still, I'm always a bit hesitant whenever I post on the main site for anything that isn't site update news or similar. I may be the de facto site leader, but I want my submissions to be treated like anyone else's — I want no favoritism. The editorial team does review my stories and signs off before they go live (unless it's an "emergency" situation such as the last time we blew up the site). However, as the saying goes, the buck stops with me.

SoylentNews accepts original content. I'm also aware that I've probably submitted the most original content so far (See "Previously", below for some examples). I'm grateful for the community's apparent acceptance of my submissions and the positive responses to them. What I don't know is if there is an undercurrent of displeasure with these. Maybe everyone thinks these are all fine. Then again, maybe somebody has an issue with them. Rather than assume anything, let's get it all out in the open.

What I want to cover in this round-table discussion is original content and having images in posts as well as topics such as yesterday's Live Show on Improving Your Security -- Wednesday June 3rd, 2020.

So, contributors and commenters to SoylentNews, get that Reply button hot and let me hear your feedback. As usual, either a member of staff or I will respond to your comments below,

73 de NCommander

Previously:
(2020-06-03) Live Show on Improving Your Security -- Wednesday June 3rd, 2020
(2020-05-24) Retrotech: The Novell NetWare Experience
(2020-05-14) Exploring Windows for Workgroups 3.11 - Early 90s Networking
(2020-05-10) Examining Windows 1.0 HELLO.C - 35 Years of Backwards Compatibility
(2020-05-15) Meta: Having a Chat about SoylentNews' Internet Relay Chat
(2018-10-25) My Time as an ICANN Fellow
(2017-10-09) soylentnews.org experiencing DNSSEC issues
(2017-04-20) Soylentnews.org is Moving to Gentoo...
(2017-04-17) SN Security Updates: CAA, LogJam, HTTP Method Disable, and 3DES
(2017-03-13) Xenix 2.2.3c Restoration: Xrossing The X (Part 4)

 
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  • (Score: 3, Informative) by MostCynical on Monday June 08 2020, @09:09PM (11 children)

    by MostCynical (2589) on Monday June 08 2020, @09:09PM (#1005005) Journal

    no one can even agree what "left" and "right" even mean.

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  • (Score: 2) by VLM on Tuesday June 09 2020, @12:57PM (10 children)

    by VLM (445) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday June 09 2020, @12:57PM (#1005168)

    In political debate discussions we don't in practice seem to have much trouble.

    In tech type discussions yeah I don't think there's a left/right for something like surface mount soldering vs thru hole soldering as a hobbyist. Or horrible automobile analogies for STEM article commentary.

    Maybe three buckets to throw your moderation vote into: left center right.

    • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday June 09 2020, @05:05PM (7 children)

      In political debate discussions we don't in practice seem to have much trouble.

      Sure we do. You can't mention the word left or right in a national (or smaller) context without some chucklehead insisting that Western Europe's standard of left and right is the entire world's standard and no other standard should ever be used.

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      My rights don't end where your fear begins.
      • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Tuesday June 09 2020, @05:23PM (5 children)

        by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday June 09 2020, @05:23PM (#1005274) Journal

        insisting that Western Europe's standard of left and right is the entire world's standard

        Or Americans believing that their definition should be the standard and that they have a 'left wing' party. It is left of the extreme right, but there you go. There are other definitions [wikipedia.org] too.

        • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday June 09 2020, @11:44PM (4 children)

          It should be the standard when we're talking domestic stuff, same as any other nation should have their own standard. Trying to make it a global standard defined by the elites for domestic issues is just framing the narrative in an attempt to leverage more control.

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          My rights don't end where your fear begins.
          • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Wednesday June 10 2020, @06:57AM (3 children)

            by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday June 10 2020, @06:57AM (#1005706) Journal

            This site has commentators from all over the globe and it would probably help if you explained your version of right and left wing.

            Is North Korea left or right wing, when compared to China for example? How about Vietnam or Kazakhstan? How about where do China and Russia sit in relation to each other on your scale. Is it that anyone outside of the USA is now left wing?

            Taken from Wikipedia. [wikipedia.org]

            A variety of distinct left-wing movements existed in American history, including labor movements, the Farmer-Labor movement, various democratic socialist and socialist movements, pacifist movements, and the New Left.

            Where do these parties sit when compared with the 'left wing' Democratic party? More to the left, more to the right?

            • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday June 10 2020, @11:36AM (2 children)

              by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Wednesday June 10 2020, @11:36AM (#1005753) Homepage Journal

              Dude, that'd be a totally legit argument if we weren't talking about the most back-seat-driver'd nation in the world as far as politics goes.

              How China and Russia sit is a global scale issue not a domestic one. It's like if I say I'm heading out to the east for a fishing trip. If I were in the habit of international fishing jaunts you could expect it to mean somewhere in Asia. But I'm not so the farthest it should be taken to possibly mean without clarification is surf fishing in the Atlantic.

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              My rights don't end where your fear begins.
              • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Wednesday June 10 2020, @02:24PM (1 child)

                by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday June 10 2020, @02:24PM (#1005800) Journal

                This discussion has run its course - but we weren't talking about the USA. This is a round-table discussion for the whole community. The suggestion was that 'there was a political discussion'. Nobody mentioned US politics, just politics in general which is entirely valid. You chose to interpret that as US politics, many of us didn't, because the world is much bigger than the USA alone.

                But your point was well made - there is always some chucklehead who comes along to point that fact out ;-)

      • (Score: 2) by acid andy on Tuesday June 09 2020, @07:05PM

        by acid andy (1683) on Tuesday June 09 2020, @07:05PM (#1005325) Homepage Journal

        insisting that Western Europe's standard of left and right is the entire world's standard and no other standard should ever be used.

        Oh if only t'were that simple! Are we talking the Western Europe of today, 30 years ago, or 75 years ago? And what part of Western Europe? It's not a country you know, as much as some Europhiles would like to think. There is no standard.

        Yeah, yeah, I know I'm preaching to the choir, Buzz. I was just feeling like a smartass!

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    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by janrinok on Tuesday June 09 2020, @05:15PM (1 child)

      by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday June 09 2020, @05:15PM (#1005269) Journal

      From here in Europe there are 2 right-wing parties in the US - you see, there is no confusion at all.

      But Americans tend to think that we are all communists because we have a working healthcare system.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 09 2020, @07:58PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 09 2020, @07:58PM (#1005347)

        Give it a few more years and those Americans will be the minority. They might already be, universal healthcare has finally entered the national conversation in the US.