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posted by martyb on Wednesday January 05 2022, @06:54PM   Printer-friendly
from the it's-nice-to-be-nice dept.
[UPDATE: 2022-01-05 20:48:08 UTC]
We are aware there are some issues (dead links) where indicated by links to "here" in the story. It seems to be a long-dormant bug in the code. Will address this issue when addressing any other issues raised here. In the meantime, try using the links that appear in the liked-to article, directly, at: ( https://soylentnews.org/faq.pl?op=moderation#spam . Yes, we are aware that those are not the best examples and we are aware that those examples may need to be updated to point to better ones. --martyb

I've been made aware of some discussions about the permitted use of the "Spam" moderation. This has spawned a great deal of discussion among Soylent staff.

What's The Point?
The whole purpose of comment moderation is for an (early) reader of a comment is to provide guidance to later readers. Like "breaking trail" for others when hiking through deep snow. The "Trail breaker" makes it eaier to navigate the path for those who follow. Before we dive into the Spam, it is important to note that it is encouraged to "upmod" more than one "downmods". I receive an e-mail each day that includes the number of each that were performed on the preceding day. I am happy to report that I generally see 2x to 4x more upmods than downmods! YAY!

Where to start?
Start at the at the top of the Left-Hand side of the Main page. There one can find a link to the FAQ. Click that link and scroll down to the link about our Moderation System. Click that link. Located there is a list of items including one on the Spam Mod.

There it states:

Spam Mod

The spam moderation (spam mod) is to be used only on comments that genuinely qualify as spam. Spam is unsolicited advertisement, undesired and offtopic filth, or possibly illegal in general. Spam can come in many forms, but it differs from a troll comment in that it will have absolutely no substance, is completely undesired, is detrimental to the site, or worse.

The spam mod is special in that is removes 10 Karma points from the user that posted the comment. This mod is meant to combat spam and not to be used to punish commenters (when in doubt, don't use this mod). Our goal is to put a spammer in Karma Hell and for them to not be able to get out of it easily. As we do not want this used against non-spamers, we monitor all spam mods to make sure moderators are not abusing the spam mod. If we find a moderator that unfairly applied the spam mod, we remove the mod giving the poster back the Karma points, and the modder is banned from modding for one month. Further bans to the same modder add increasing amounts of ban time. If you inadvertently applied a spam mod, mail the admin and we will remove the spam mod without banning you. Even though we have updated the interface to physically separate the spam mod from the other mods, unintentional modding may still be an unfortunate occurrence.

Examples

If you are unsure of whether a comment is spam or not, don't use the spam mod. Here are some examples of spam:

  • Proper spam. Anything whose primary purpose is advertisement (unless somehow relevant to the discussion/article).
  • HOSTS/GNAA/etc... type posts. Recurring, useless annoyances we're all familiar with.
  • Posts so offtopic and lacking value to even be a troll that they can't be called anything else. See here, here or here for example.
  • Repeating the same thing over and over. This includes blockquoting entire comments without adding anything substantial to them.

These examples cannot cover every type of Spam that you might encounter. Please exercise common sense. We expect all comments to be on-topic or following a clearly defined thread that has developed as part of the discussion. Raising personal complaints or starting completely new discussions unrelated to the main story are certainly off-topic and also possibly trolling. Remember: if in doubt do not use the Spam moderation.

"Sock Mods" and "Mod Bombs":
You may ask: "What's that?". Simply stated, when a logged-in-user, uses one (or more) account(s) to "updmod" other account(s) in unison. This is similar to using other account(s) to "Downmod" one (or more) account(s) in unison. Both practices are Forbidden. As always, when such activity is discovered, Admins notice and discuss it to confirm the observation with other admins. Actions taken can range from a ban on moderations (for increasing durations for repeat offenders) to an outright ban on use of the accounts(s). We have observed such activity happening recently and are preparing to take action. Similarly, when several accounts can be shown to have repeatedly cooperated to prevent someone from expressing their opinion or have given other accounts an unfair advantage then that can also be a form of 'bombing'. My advice is: stop right now. We do not like taking such actions, but it would be unfair to those who DO follow the rules for us to ignore such activities.

Summary:
(1) simply follow Wheaton's Law:

Don't Be a Dick

(2) "Say what you mean, mean what you say, but don't say it mean."

 
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  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by fustakrakich on Wednesday January 05 2022, @07:18PM (12 children)

    by fustakrakich (6150) on Wednesday January 05 2022, @07:18PM (#1210216) Journal

    blank, blank, and blank

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    Moderation   +1  
       Insightful=1, Total=1
    Extra 'Insightful' Modifier   0  

    Total Score:   2  
  • (Score: 4, Informative) by Thexalon on Wednesday January 05 2022, @07:33PM (5 children)

    by Thexalon (636) on Wednesday January 05 2022, @07:33PM (#1210219)

    I did some hacking into what variables were missing, and these worked:
    Here [soylentnews.org]
    Here [soylentnews.org]
    Here [soylentnews.org]

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    • (Score: 2) by martyb on Wednesday January 05 2022, @07:46PM (1 child)

      by martyb (76) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday January 05 2022, @07:46PM (#1210227) Journal

      Thanks for the investigation!

      That first link seems to be just a "Troll" mod. Will consider using the others when we update.

      teamwork++

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      Wit is intellect, dancing.
    • (Score: 2) by istartedi on Wednesday January 05 2022, @08:52PM (2 children)

      by istartedi (123) on Wednesday January 05 2022, @08:52PM (#1210263) Journal

      That last one is vile, but not spam. They put some "thought" into who they thought ought to be killed, and how society should be ordered according to the Bible. I'd hit it with Troll or Disagree.

      • (Score: 3, Informative) by martyb on Wednesday January 05 2022, @09:54PM (1 child)

        by martyb (76) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday January 05 2022, @09:54PM (#1210300) Journal

        That "last one" was yet another instance of an oft-repeated spamming of the site. A user repeatedly referenced Deuteronomy and advocating taking young girls as brides. That comment had not Germaine to the story it was posted to. The wording was that way to avoid the comment filters that were in effect. IOW the user was continually advocating pedophilia; we had received numerous complaints about these posts.

        It was modded as spam by an admin as well as "troll" and "flamebait" by other users -- all with a few minutes of each other.

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        • (Score: 2) by istartedi on Wednesday January 05 2022, @10:36PM

          by istartedi (123) on Wednesday January 05 2022, @10:36PM (#1210319) Journal

          Ah, OK. If it is repeated, then yes it's spam. I never saw that one before, I suppose because moderation works and I'm not usually browsing at that level.

  • (Score: 2) by martyb on Wednesday January 05 2022, @07:38PM (5 children)

    by martyb (76) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday January 05 2022, @07:38PM (#1210223) Journal

    Great catch! That was copied, verbatim, from the docs. =(

    Looks like they need an update. Will get to it along with other issues that may be reported here.

    Thank you!

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    Wit is intellect, dancing.
    • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Wednesday January 05 2022, @07:44PM (3 children)

      by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday January 05 2022, @07:44PM (#1210225) Journal
      That is strange - I accessed them all without a problem when I was doing the 2nd ed.
      • (Score: 2) by martyb on Thursday January 06 2022, @10:07PM (2 children)

        by martyb (76) Subscriber Badge on Thursday January 06 2022, @10:07PM (#1210670) Journal

        That is strange - I accessed them all without a problem when I was doing the 2nd ed.

        Was that in preview (as I suspect) or a separately-loaded page? The code there has bitten me before. Quite different code paths are taken to render the text for the browser in those two places!

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        Wit is intellect, dancing.
        • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Friday January 07 2022, @01:55AM (1 child)

          by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Friday January 07 2022, @01:55AM (#1210738) Journal
          It was in preview.
          • (Score: 2) by martyb on Friday January 07 2022, @03:05PM

            by martyb (76) Subscriber Badge on Friday January 07 2022, @03:05PM (#1210851) Journal

            It was in preview.

            That's what I suspected. IIRC, there is a different code path taken when it comes to *actually* rendering the page. It's bit me before. :(

            Watch for instances where the text you are looking at contains an ampersand (like in a URL). My memory is fuzzy, but I ISTR we need to watch for places line this:

            Where we have just "&", we need to have "&"

            I hope that renders correctly! Yes, it hurts my brain, too!

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            Wit is intellect, dancing.
    • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Wednesday January 05 2022, @07:49PM

      by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday January 05 2022, @07:49PM (#1210228) Journal
      They've all disappeared again!