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posted by martyb on Wednesday January 05 2022, @06:54PM   Printer-friendly
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I've been made aware of some discussions about the permitted use of the "Spam" moderation. This has spawned a great deal of discussion among Soylent staff.

What's The Point?
The whole purpose of comment moderation is for an (early) reader of a comment is to provide guidance to later readers. Like "breaking trail" for others when hiking through deep snow. The "Trail breaker" makes it eaier to navigate the path for those who follow. Before we dive into the Spam, it is important to note that it is encouraged to "upmod" more than one "downmods". I receive an e-mail each day that includes the number of each that were performed on the preceding day. I am happy to report that I generally see 2x to 4x more upmods than downmods! YAY!

Where to start?
Start at the at the top of the Left-Hand side of the Main page. There one can find a link to the FAQ. Click that link and scroll down to the link about our Moderation System. Click that link. Located there is a list of items including one on the Spam Mod.

There it states:

Spam Mod

The spam moderation (spam mod) is to be used only on comments that genuinely qualify as spam. Spam is unsolicited advertisement, undesired and offtopic filth, or possibly illegal in general. Spam can come in many forms, but it differs from a troll comment in that it will have absolutely no substance, is completely undesired, is detrimental to the site, or worse.

The spam mod is special in that is removes 10 Karma points from the user that posted the comment. This mod is meant to combat spam and not to be used to punish commenters (when in doubt, don't use this mod). Our goal is to put a spammer in Karma Hell and for them to not be able to get out of it easily. As we do not want this used against non-spamers, we monitor all spam mods to make sure moderators are not abusing the spam mod. If we find a moderator that unfairly applied the spam mod, we remove the mod giving the poster back the Karma points, and the modder is banned from modding for one month. Further bans to the same modder add increasing amounts of ban time. If you inadvertently applied a spam mod, mail the admin and we will remove the spam mod without banning you. Even though we have updated the interface to physically separate the spam mod from the other mods, unintentional modding may still be an unfortunate occurrence.


If you are unsure of whether a comment is spam or not, don't use the spam mod. Here are some examples of spam:

  • Proper spam. Anything whose primary purpose is advertisement (unless somehow relevant to the discussion/article).
  • HOSTS/GNAA/etc... type posts. Recurring, useless annoyances we're all familiar with.
  • Posts so offtopic and lacking value to even be a troll that they can't be called anything else. See here, here or here for example.
  • Repeating the same thing over and over. This includes blockquoting entire comments without adding anything substantial to them.

These examples cannot cover every type of Spam that you might encounter. Please exercise common sense. We expect all comments to be on-topic or following a clearly defined thread that has developed as part of the discussion. Raising personal complaints or starting completely new discussions unrelated to the main story are certainly off-topic and also possibly trolling. Remember: if in doubt do not use the Spam moderation.

"Sock Mods" and "Mod Bombs":
You may ask: "What's that?". Simply stated, when a logged-in-user, uses one (or more) account(s) to "updmod" other account(s) in unison. This is similar to using other account(s) to "Downmod" one (or more) account(s) in unison. Both practices are Forbidden. As always, when such activity is discovered, Admins notice and discuss it to confirm the observation with other admins. Actions taken can range from a ban on moderations (for increasing durations for repeat offenders) to an outright ban on use of the accounts(s). We have observed such activity happening recently and are preparing to take action. Similarly, when several accounts can be shown to have repeatedly cooperated to prevent someone from expressing their opinion or have given other accounts an unfair advantage then that can also be a form of 'bombing'. My advice is: stop right now. We do not like taking such actions, but it would be unfair to those who DO follow the rules for us to ignore such activities.

(1) simply follow Wheaton's Law:

Don't Be a Dick

(2) "Say what you mean, mean what you say, but don't say it mean."

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  • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @02:31AM (6 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @02:31AM (#1210397)

    3. They are tired of the repetitive insults, anger, ignorance and lies thrown at them, and would rather hang around somewhere with some opportunity for enjoyable conversation.

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    Extra 'Informative' Modifier   0  

    Total Score:   1  
  • (Score: 0, Disagree) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 07 2022, @02:42AM (5 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 07 2022, @02:42AM (#1210747)

    That is a lot of words for "they want a safe space."

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by janrinok on Friday January 07 2022, @08:50AM (2 children)

      by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Friday January 07 2022, @08:50AM (#1210793) Journal

      I disagree - they seek a place where they can hold a decent intelligent conversation on a specific topic without it being turned into a political shitstorm by those at the extremes of the political divide. Look at the last half of the discussion here. Two main protagonists leading the assault from opposite sides, interspersed by supposedly 'neutral' ACs who just enjoy stirring the pot. The pair of them should shut up and sit down. Go watch your favourite TV news channels but stay away from these discussions.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 07 2022, @10:04AM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 07 2022, @10:04AM (#1210804)

        Which is exactly what the conservatives would call a "safe space" when they are the ones perceived to be on the outside of it so they can demonize it. Whether you or I or anyone else would call it a safe space when the tables are turned doesn't matter because that is what they would and do call it when the situation is reversed.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 07 2022, @04:30PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 07 2022, @04:30PM (#1210876)

          They're just more civilized about it than you are. Civil... civilization... interesting word root.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 08 2022, @04:55PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 08 2022, @04:55PM (#1211089)

      "they want a safe space."

      Projection. I'll guarantee that you delicate flowers who are walking around with personal support llamas, are not Trump supporters. Just like the schools and businesses and every place where you people aren't busy trashing other peoples' belongings and beliefs, are full of special rooms to protect your type from the real world. You may not know that world, it's the place where people work for their keep, take care of others, and protect themselves from you ultra-woken/wiccan/wackos.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 21 2022, @10:23AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 21 2022, @10:23AM (#1214479)

        So it's bad when they do it but OK when you do it. Got it.