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posted by janrinok on Monday May 22 2023, @04:27PM   Printer-friendly

This is a post that I have suspected that I was going to have to write since late December last year.

You will now know that SoylentNews.org is closing down on 30 June but things have not been standing still behind the scenes since we first became aware of NCommander's decision at the end of last week. In fact, it has been a very busy weekend.

A small group of existing staff are looking at alternative possibilities for a 'replacement' site to keep the flow of stories going and allowing discussions to continue. This is a big task, especially in the 38 days remaining in which to try to achieve it. There are several possibilities which spring to mind, Pipedot for example. I have reached out to Bryan but have not yet received a response. However, things as not as straightforward as they seem. The pipecode is written in Php-5 which some of you will realise is no longer supported. We do not want to become dependant on old software which cannot be maintained into the future; that lesson has been taken aboard and reinforced by NCommander's explanation regarding his decision announced today. There are other options but at the moment it is still a search for what is available out there today which also appears maintainable into the future.

But the first thing we need to know is "Is there still sufficient interest in having a discussion site such as ours?" Do you, the community, still want to have your daily dose of stories and the ability to exchange views with many others on this site? Are there any community members who would be willing to join us in trying to establish such a site? Your views are crucial to everything that we do over the coming days and weeks. So please let us know what you think about whether a site is still required with all the alternative technology available today that simply didn't exist 9 years ago. What form should a new site take? What changes to how we operate are essential for you to continue to remain interested in the future site?

Of course, it cannot be a mirror image of what we have today - which many will see as a good thing! But I hope that we would be able to transfer existing accounts, usernames and passwords directly to any new site that we create. We would also have to start with a relatively simple site and build on that over time.

At the end of the day we would have to restart the voluntary subscriptions but not immediately. We can raise some funds to see us get established without the requirement of a financial commitment from the community. Subscriptions were always sufficient in the past and I don't see why that would not be the case in the future too. The fact that we currently have enough to keep this site going until next year bears witness to that. We have also found that we can significantly reduce our running costs based on our current community rather than being ready for a major stream of new members which never materialises. I have no grandiose ideas of becoming a huge site employing our own journalists but just a community that enjoys the discussions as we have been doing for several years. Nevertheless, we would also be trying to build on our existing community which is beginning to happen on this site now that things have settled down.

So don't hold back - let us know what you think.

 
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  • (Score: 5, Interesting) by maxwell demon on Monday May 22 2023, @07:29PM (2 children)

    by maxwell demon (1608) on Monday May 22 2023, @07:29PM (#1307428) Journal

    While dormant and not accepting new stuff, Pipedot [pipedot.org] is still up. Does anyone know if the people there are still able and willing to revive their site, so that it may act as replacement of SN? Given that AFAIR they were writing completely new code from the start, I guess their technical debt is by far less.

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  • (Score: 3, Informative) by SurvivorZ on Tuesday May 23 2023, @07:40AM (1 child)

    by SurvivorZ (792) on Tuesday May 23 2023, @07:40AM (#1307612)

    I just analyzed Pipedot’s entire code base, and it’d be absolutely trivial to upgrade to PHP 8. In fact, I think it’s 100% backwards-compatible.

    That said, it doesn’t use modern PHP coding practices at all. In fact, it seems to be coded by a rank amateur. E.g., no composer, etc.

    But the code base is quite tiny, which means changing it piecemeal should be way, way easier than fixing soylent’s garbage codebase.

    The main problem I have with pipecode is that it’s licensened under the AGPL. There’s no way I would ever contribute to a project that uses that terrible license.

    • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 24 2023, @02:11AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 24 2023, @02:11AM (#1307808)

      IANAL (lawyer), but just reading this overview, https://fossa.com/blog/open-source-software-licenses-101-agpl-license/ [fossa.com] it seems like the main difference between AGPL and regular GPL is in this paragraph?

      Let’s say you create a software program. Another developer takes and modifies it, and then provides access to that modification to paying customers through a software-as-a-service model. Under the GPL v3, that modification would essentially become proprietary because it wasn’t technically distributed. Under AGPL, however, that developer would need to make their modified source code available for download.

      Sounds like the right sort of license for a SN successor to me. Your comments?