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posted by on Wednesday March 01 2017, @07:34PM   Printer-friendly
from the totally-normal,-right? dept.

America's new president gave an address to a joint session of Congress. The Los Angeles Times posted a full transcript of the speech (along with remarks from its staff that may require Javascript to view); Bloomberg uploaded a video of the event.

The New York Times called it "the most presidential speech Mr. Trump has ever given — delivered at precisely the moment he needed to project sobriety, seriousness of purpose and self-discipline."

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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Zz9zZ on Wednesday March 01 2017, @07:48PM (34 children)

    by Zz9zZ (1348) on Wednesday March 01 2017, @07:48PM (#473463)

    Painful speech

    Trust a pig to bring the pork, hope everyone likes funding politician's bank accounts! I did like his uncomfortable smile when he promised to drop the price of prescription drugs, can we get his tax forms yet so we can all feel secure knowing that there are no conflicts of interest with our current president?

    The whole speech is simply a better written version of his campaign promises, and looking at his actions and not his rhetoric my guess is that it is simply more hot air to keep his fanbase rabidly supportive. They will ride this speech for weeks feeling like they're winning everything. Win win win, money money money, fear fear fear. A pox on these slick shits. Oh wait, slick? A pox on these bumbling idiots, and a prayer for the 1/3 - 1/4 of the US population that falls for this bumbling bullshit.

    /end_rant

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    ~Tilting at windmills~
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 01 2017, @07:56PM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 01 2017, @07:56PM (#473469)

      What do you mean? Assuming that his smile is actually uncomfortable, what do you think that means? He doesn't believe that it will be possible, or he has no intention of doing so?

      Trump is the one that has made the price of prescription drugs a national issue in the debate on health care, and he has been saying for quite a while that the pharmaceutical industry is out of control.

      Your whole comment seems unhinged.

      • (Score: 2) by Zz9zZ on Wednesday March 01 2017, @08:40PM (1 child)

        by Zz9zZ (1348) on Wednesday March 01 2017, @08:40PM (#473505)

        Rhetoric, I guess you are not immune to his bullshit. If he believed in it, or at the least doesn't care about it, then he would have played the politician game to whip the people up about it like he does with other points. No, this one he delivered like it was a rotten apple.

        Thanks for the downmod whoever, makes me regret upmodding a comment in another thread that seemed to be downmodded instead of "disagree". Happens a lot with my comments, though I will agree my initial one here was more "ranty" than most. However, you're a fool if you don't think the GOP is lining up massive tax-payer funded projects / legislation (tax breaks). Yup, they're looking out for YOUR best interest /s

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        ~Tilting at windmills~
        • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday March 02 2017, @03:37AM

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday March 02 2017, @03:37AM (#473711) Journal

          I'm not guilty of downmodding you, but I have to admit the temptation was there. You seem to have some of that butthurt going around among liberals, and you make it pretty obvious in your post.

          The speech was actually a pretty decent speech. It was much better than a lot of his off-the-cuff rhetoric over the past several months. But, you start talking about pigs and pork and other superflous bullshit.

          Question: are you a better man than the freak SJW's, or are you just another ideologist who can't stand anyone with a different opinion? If you are the latter, you'll be downmodded frequently.

    • (Score: 2, Insightful) by charon on Wednesday March 01 2017, @08:09PM

      by charon (5660) on Wednesday March 01 2017, @08:09PM (#473476) Journal
      Pretty sure most watchers were shocked he didn't wander off script to talk about his historic Electoral College win or his five star golf resorts.
    • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday March 01 2017, @09:02PM (6 children)

      by DeathMonkey (1380) on Wednesday March 01 2017, @09:02PM (#473521) Journal

      Slightly fewer lies than normal = WIN? [independent.co.uk]

      Oh well, at least we know he can read. That's a positive development.

      • (Score: 2, Informative) by Zz9zZ on Wednesday March 01 2017, @09:34PM (1 child)

        by Zz9zZ (1348) on Wednesday March 01 2017, @09:34PM (#473536)

        Yeah, we can lay that baby down to rest. Unless he read the speech ahead of time and didn't have to think on his feet...

        Thanks for the fact-check link, yet again he shows that he is a lying conman telling his supporters what they want to hear instead of the truth.

        We have a blatant liar in charge of our country, yet his supporters still believe it will go well? No fixing stupid I guess, not until it finally hits them personally I imagine.

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        ~Tilting at windmills~
        • (Score: 2) by Kromagv0 on Thursday March 02 2017, @02:22PM

          by Kromagv0 (1825) on Thursday March 02 2017, @02:22PM (#473858) Homepage

          he is a lying conman telling his supporters what they want to hear instead of the truth

          So like any other politician then.

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          T-Shirts and bumper stickers [zazzle.com] to offend someone
      • (Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 01 2017, @10:20PM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 01 2017, @10:20PM (#473572)

        Bernie Sanders can say something and get "Mostly True", then Donald Trump says the same thing months later and it gets "Pants on Fire". Biased? Oh yeah. The supposed "fact checking" is just another dirty way to do battle.

        Really, it's a fact only if a favored politician says it??? That isn't how facts work.

        http://www.westernjournalism.com/popular-website-shows-bias-when-it-comes-to-fact-checking-republicans/ [westernjournalism.com]
        http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-25/politifact-apparently-even-facts-are-subjective-and-based-party-affiliation [zerohedge.com]
        https://www.forbes.com/sites/kalevleetaru/2016/12/22/the-daily-mail-snopes-story-and-fact-checking-the-fact-checkers/ [forbes.com]

        • (Score: 3, Informative) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday March 01 2017, @10:58PM

          by DeathMonkey (1380) on Wednesday March 01 2017, @10:58PM (#473593) Journal

          Saying 51 when the real number is 51.3, and stating the source of the claim - mostly true

          Saying 59, not stating a source, and being almost 10% off the mark to boot - mostly false

        • (Score: 4, Informative) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday March 01 2017, @11:27PM

          by DeathMonkey (1380) on Wednesday March 01 2017, @11:27PM (#473607) Journal

          Addendum:

          AC's claim that 51 and 59 are the "same thing" - PANTS ON FIRE
          AC's claim that Trump's 59 statement received "Pants on Fire" - PANTS ON FIRE

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 01 2017, @11:19PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 01 2017, @11:19PM (#473603)

        Unfortunately any win is a loss when those speaking have never told any truth any time, ever.
        How do you know what is the truth, and what is the lie? Tough problem. Your problem.

    • (Score: 1, Troll) by Zz9zZ on Wednesday March 01 2017, @09:22PM (14 children)

      by Zz9zZ (1348) on Wednesday March 01 2017, @09:22PM (#473531)

      Oh woe is me! The conservative trump supporters are modding me down! The petty and misguided retaliation is real folks!

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      ~Tilting at windmills~
      • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 01 2017, @09:33PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 01 2017, @09:33PM (#473534)

        oh grow up
        moderation is a fact of life on soylent
        complaining about it is like explaining a joke
        if you have to do it, you screwed up

        • (Score: 1, Troll) by Zz9zZ on Wednesday March 01 2017, @09:41PM

          by Zz9zZ (1348) on Wednesday March 01 2017, @09:41PM (#473541)

          I forgot my /s tag, I was actually mocking the AC complaining about being downmodded and pointing out the hypocrisy of it.

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          ~Tilting at windmills~
      • (Score: 5, Informative) by edIII on Wednesday March 01 2017, @10:07PM (11 children)

        by edIII (791) on Wednesday March 01 2017, @10:07PM (#473564)

        That's not the amazing part. You were modded 0, troll when I loaded the page. Read your comment, upmodded you, and saw you at 4. All within a minute. I think you are going to be modded up and down for quite some time today :)

        Yeah, The Trumpanzees don't like it when you use facts. Like the fact *their* criminal treasonous dumbass of a President is selling them out every which way he can.

        Drain the swamp my ass. He's making America great again. Just not for the 99%, which Trumpanzees are too stupid to do the math and realize that they ARE NOT the 1%. They are the like the goose from Animal Farm making fun of the horse on the way to the glue factory, celebrating it even, only to find themselves in the cold looking in at the animals more equal than others. Specifically, not them.

        I'm starting to feel the excitement for the next 4 years. They are fucking up so bad, without even a pretense of helping out average Americans, that in the end it will fuel a wave of Progressive achievements.

        Resist!

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        Technically, lunchtime is at any moment. It's just a wave function.
        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 01 2017, @10:38PM (8 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 01 2017, @10:38PM (#473581)

          > Drain the swamp my ass.

          Actually, it turns out by "drain the swamp" he was referring to the civil service. Not politicians, not lobbyists and certainly not the people who hire lobbyists (aka fertilize the swamp).

          When questioned why he hasn't even bothered to nominate people for 500+ positions, he said:

          “A lot of those jobs, I don’t want to appoint someone because they’re unnecessary to have. In government, we have too many people.”
          Trump Says He’s Deliberately Refusing to Fill Hundreds of Top Agency Jobs [nymag.com]

          • (Score: 4, Interesting) by Phoenix666 on Thursday March 02 2017, @01:46AM (7 children)

            by Phoenix666 (552) on Thursday March 02 2017, @01:46AM (#473665) Journal

            You know, that doesn't bother me. I read an article on Huffington Post today that was talking about how despondent people at the State Department are because Trump is not giving them direction, and firing a whole bunch of them. Well, good, I say; the State Department is populated almost entirely by the kind of elitist fuckers you find at Goldman Sachs or McKinsey. You can't fire or denigrate them enough, actually. How nice it would be to have a State Department that isn't an atavistic throwback to Ivy League Gentlemen's clubs circa 1890, and which actually reflected real America instead.

            It would also be nice for Washington DC, the wealthiest part of the country, to feel jolts of fear and uncertainty about their futures after 40+ years of sticking it to the rest of America with impunity. Fire them all, move the capital to Denver, and re-form the government by hiring Americans who are actually competent in the various subject areas instead of peopling departments with patronage hires. I guarantee you putting the machinery of the country in a region where people still have a real work ethic and sense of pride in their work would give the country and world a nice boost for another 50-100 years. Also, it would be really fucking entertaining to watch all those lobbyists, lawyers, politicians, and bureaucrats trying to unload their McMansions in a property market that has suddenly collapsed.

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            Washington DC delenda est.
            • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 02 2017, @02:10AM (5 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 02 2017, @02:10AM (#473674)

              How nice it would be to have a State Department that isn't an atavistic throwback to Ivy League Gentlemen's clubs circa 1890, and which actually reflected real America instead.

              Because when you are trying to negotiate a peace between israel and palestine what you really need is the viewpoint of joe the plumber.

              • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Thursday March 02 2017, @03:46AM (2 children)

                by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday March 02 2017, @03:46AM (#473715) Journal

                Hilarious. Not one, not a hundred, not even a thousand of the elitest cocksuckers has negotiated a peace yet. And, you still have faith in them actually accomplishing anything there? Let's send Joe the Plumber to fix the problem. He can start by flushing the shit out of the system. In terms you can understand, fire all of Israel's politicians, fire all of the Palestinian politicians, send the cops, army, and whoever else is available to demolish all the "settlements", and gun down the next son of a bitch who picks up a weapon - ON EITHER SIDE!!

                Joe didn't go to college, but that doesn't make him stupid. Your Ivy League kids went to college, but that doesn't make them smart, either. It's just fucking POLITICS!! It isn't a science, FFS.

                • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 02 2017, @03:56AM (1 child)

                  by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 02 2017, @03:56AM (#473719)

                  Here we have the anti-intellectual argument.
                  After billions of dollars and many decades of work cancer has not yet been cured, so fire all those elitist pricks with their fancy college degrees, years of relationship building and experience. Send in joe the plumber! Its just fucking cells, everybody has millions of cells, what could be easier?

                  • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 02 2017, @04:28AM

                    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 02 2017, @04:28AM (#473734)

                    I'm not an elitist prick. While I do have advanced degrees, none of them are in the life sciences. So, when it comes time for Runaway1956's lobotomy, can I do it? I call dibs.

              • (Score: 2, Funny) by anubi on Thursday March 02 2017, @03:52AM (1 child)

                by anubi (2828) on Thursday March 02 2017, @03:52AM (#473716) Journal

                Based on the latest I have seen coming out of Washington Wisdom, I'll back Joe the Plumber.

                At least the plumbers know shit when they see it.

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                "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." [KJV: I Thessalonians 5:21]
                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 02 2017, @03:59AM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 02 2017, @03:59AM (#473722)

                  Based on the latest I have seen coming out of Washington Wisdom, I'll back Joe the Plumber.

                  Lol. He was just as full of shit as anyone in washington. [wikipedia.org]

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 02 2017, @04:18AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 02 2017, @04:18AM (#473731)

              You know, that doesn't bother me.

              Well, I feel a whole lot better now that I know that this doesn't bother Phoenix666.

              I read an article on Huffington Post today that was talking about how despondent people at the State Department are because Trump is not giving them direction, and firing a whole bunch of them.

              Yeah!!! Because what we need right now is a rudderless, directionless federal government run by someone who doesn't know (or care) what he is doing!!!

              [T]he State Department is populated almost entirely by the kind of elitist fuckers you find at Goldman Sachs or McKinsey. You can't fire or denigrate them enough, actually.

              And you know this how exactly? Have you ever worked for the State Department? Do you even know anyone who works or has worked for the State Department? And what the hell is this reverse snobbery against Ivy League all about? Believe me, I don't personally care for the type who strikes a pose and insists that their opinion is all that mattes because they graduated from an Ivy League school. But are you really attempting to argue that your ignorance is just as good as the careful analysis of experts based on facts and statistics? Seriously?!?

              How nice it would be to have a State Department that isn't an atavistic throwback to Ivy League Gentlemen's clubs circa 1890, and which actually reflected real America instead.

              Yeah!!! Because what we really need to deal with the complex global issues our world is facing is to have Joe Sixpack bluster and show us all what's what!!!</sarcasm>

              It would also be nice for Washington DC, the wealthiest part of the country, to feel jolts of fear and uncertainty about their futures after 40+ years of sticking it to the rest of America with impunity. Fire them all, move the capital to Denver, and re-form the government by hiring Americans who are actually competent in the various subject areas instead of peopling departments with patronage hires.

              OK, now I know you are talking out of your ass. This news story is not about political ambassador appointments, which are, admittedly, all too frequently patronage hires. Instead, these are appointed sub-Cabinet level positions typically filled by non-political career civil servants. Maybe, in light of that, you would like to admit that you didn't know what you were talking about?

        • (Score: 1, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Thursday March 02 2017, @03:41AM (1 child)

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday March 02 2017, @03:41AM (#473712) Journal

          http://www.dailystormer.com/global-sadness-as-ragheaded-female-rat-quits-white-house/ [dailystormer.com]

          I have no idea what will fill the swamp later, but the swamp is being drained.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 02 2017, @04:04AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 02 2017, @04:04AM (#473726)

            Holy shit.
            Linking to the daily stormer.
            You've gone full-nazi.
            Are you wearing klan robes while you post too?

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Thursday March 02 2017, @03:15AM (6 children)

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday March 02 2017, @03:15AM (#473700) Journal

      I read the speech. However good or bad a president the man proves to be, he is addressing issues which past presidents have kept locked in the closet. Immigration has been the skeleton that the past dozen presidents as well as the past 50 congresses have been afraid to let out of the closet.

      Again - I'm not approving or disapproving of the Trump yet. But, every one of you has to admit he's got more balls than the past three presidents combined. He is addressing real issues. American jobs, immigration, infrastructure - things that matter TO AMERICANS.

      How 'bout everyone chill, and give the man a chance to truly fuck up before castigating him?

      And, no, his immigration ban on people from certain countries wasn't that fuck up you all are looking for. Get over the butthurt, everyone, and give the man a chance.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 02 2017, @03:35AM (5 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 02 2017, @03:35AM (#473710)

        Ugh, yet another one of those "he's talking about important stuff" claims that ignore the fact that what he's saying about the important stuff is utter shit.

        Your whole thing about nobody talking about immigration is, at best, total ignorance.
        Obama was the "deporter in chief" [npr.org] furthermore he kept banging away at immigration so much that he was accused of being a tyrant for it. [usnews.com]

        And... the number of undocs in the country has been decreasing for the last ten years. [pewresearch.org]

        • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday March 02 2017, @03:59AM (4 children)

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday March 02 2017, @03:59AM (#473721) Journal

          You may choose to believe the lies. Fact is, O'Bummer directed his administration to leave illegals alone, UNLESS they were convicted of serious crimes.

          I live in Illegal Alien country. There hasn't been a raid on any of the known illegal employers since early in Bush's administration. Don't tell me about some mythical "Deporter in Chief". It's utter bullshit.

          When government cooks numbers, they can convince the gullible that unemployment is under 5%. If you've been paying attention, unemployment is over 20%, minimum.

          But, you go ahead and believe whatever government tells you - especially when it's a liberal administration cooking the numbers. Whatever makes you feel good.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 02 2017, @04:02AM (3 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 02 2017, @04:02AM (#473724)

            But, you go ahead and believe whatever government tells you - especially when it's a liberal administration cooking the numbers.

            So your response to the widely reported facts and complaints by immigration advocates about obama is to dismiss them as liberal government lies. Who would have guessed that you would be the one to deny reality in favor of a conspiracy fantasy? You are one of the most grounded, well-informed people here on soylent!!!

            • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday March 02 2017, @02:37PM (2 children)

              by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday March 02 2017, @02:37PM (#473864) Journal

              Go back to my previous post. For fifty years, every president, and every congress has passed the buck. Libbies ain't happy, conservies ain't happy, moderates ain't happy, independents ain't happy, the illegal aliens ain't happy, NO ONE IS HAPPY!! Why? Because not one single president, and not one single congress has DONE THEIR DAMNED JOB IN THE PAST FIFTY YEARS!! They had Operation Wetback like a year of two before I was born, and since then NO ONE HAS HAD THE BALLS TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE!

              Now, when I say "every president", that includes O'Bummer, both of the bushmaster snakes, the blowjob president, and so on - ALL OF THEM.

              Is that plain enough for you? No one in Washington has been doing the jobs for which they are paid. Immigration isn't that damned complicated. "No, we don't want you, but we'll accept that guy over yonder. Why? Well, it's really none of your business why, so don't even ask why. You're out, he's in. And, that hot chick getting off the airplane? She's in. Now get lost, Bubba, or we'll ship you home in a box."

              • (Score: 2) by Zz9zZ on Thursday March 02 2017, @06:39PM (1 child)

                by Zz9zZ (1348) on Thursday March 02 2017, @06:39PM (#473988)

                You become unhinged when you blindly follow some ideology. Trump has already shown his true face, and the immigration bit is simply a ploy to funnel tons of taxpayer money into the hands of some private contractors. Many people have already stated that the wall will be ineffective, and even if it does it may well hurt our agricultural sector since they rely on cheap immigration labor. What will the farmers do if they have to hire real Americans and get held to real labor laws? They will shit. a. brick.

                Trump has no balls, he is a coward pushing an agenda, and you apparently are falling 100% for his bullshit. The only reason it gets me upset is because we need more support to push back against this fascist regime. This isn't a godwin, this isn't rhetoric, Trump is a total fascist who simply hasn't gotten the complete control he desires. If you can't see this then I don't know what to tell you except WAKE UP!

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                ~Tilting at windmills~
                • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday March 03 2017, @01:09AM

                  by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday March 03 2017, @01:09AM (#474199) Journal

                  "when you blindly follow some ideology"

                  And, what ideology is that?

                  "stated that the wall will be ineffective, and even if it does it may well hurt our agricultural sector"

                  When, and how did the first minimum wage law come to be? And, how did it come about that some very specific classes of workers were exempted from the minimum wage laws? Can you spell "graft" and "corruption"? There was no reason to make exempted classes of workers from the minimum wage laws, other than graft and corruption. At that point in history, farmers and ranchers had a lot of clout in Washington, and they held out for free or cheap farm labor. Food handlers and waiting staff were exempted from the same law, for very much the same reasons. If the cheap labor suddenly dries up, those farmers and ranchers may be hurt a little bit, short term, but the economy will heal over time.

                  Or - do you believe in our hidden class system, in which certain classes of workers can never "get ahead"?

                  Blah blah blah. Trump is a fascist, blah blah blah. When I see fascist, I'll let you know. Until then, you are the one who sounds like an ideologist.

    • (Score: 2) by bradley13 on Thursday March 02 2017, @06:49AM

      by bradley13 (3053) on Thursday March 02 2017, @06:49AM (#473762) Homepage Journal

      Zz9zZ writes: "The whole speech is simply a better written version of his campaign promises"

      This is apparently meant as a criticism, but...what precisely is wrong with repeating his campaign promises? Even the liberal media has to admit that Trump is keeping a lot of those campaign promises [politifact.com].

      I think the problem is that some people don't like what Trump has promised to do. So they're upset that he is actually fulfilling those promises. Compare Trump's progress so far to Obama's lackluster record [politifact.com]. It's early days yet, but Trump is looking like quite the change from business-as-usual politics.

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      Everyone is somebody else's weirdo.
  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 01 2017, @07:50PM (45 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 01 2017, @07:50PM (#473465)

    Though not a supporter, I've watched a lot of Trump's speeches, and not only is he very consistent, but he's also delivered a lot of prepared, scripted remarks.

    So, I was a bit flabbergasted when these so-called "journalists" were, across many media, surprised that Trump was able to deliver a rehearsed, scripted speech in a controlled and "presidential" tone. I couldn't deny it any further: These people have no idea what they're talking about, and do not actually pay any meaningful attention to Trump whatsoever. They really are Fake News.

    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 01 2017, @08:12PM (42 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 01 2017, @08:12PM (#473479)

      The man is wholly inarticulate, and he meanders from topic to topic during his rallies, giving an impression of hair growth drug-induced mental illness. He is known to stray off topic even during prepared remarks. So the media is right to be astonished, and you have written a Fake Opinion.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 01 2017, @08:18PM (40 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 01 2017, @08:18PM (#473484)

        I agree that Trump completely avoids the details of how anything he says is going to be implemented, and that's one of the reasons that I'm not a supporter. However, it's completely bonkers to suggest that he meanders from topic to topic in some incomprehensible, mentally ill manner. Are we even listening to the same thing? I just... I DON'T GET IT.

        There is more than enough disturbing aspects to Trumpian politics about to which complain without making up such patently false accusations.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 01 2017, @08:26PM (8 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 01 2017, @08:26PM (#473490)

          > Are we even listening to the same thing? I just... I DON'T GET IT.

          Sounds as if you like the guy. You are smart enough to recognize he's bullshitting since he never talks about policy details, but you still like him as a person. And that lets you ignore all the rhetorical nonsense he spews as just part of his style. We are watching the same thing. You just give him a pass and we don't.

          • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 01 2017, @08:34PM (5 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 01 2017, @08:34PM (#473497)

            Where did I say I like this guy (either as a politician or "as a person")? Hell, I've stated I'm not a supporter, and I do find his lack of details and his emphasis on nationalism/patriotism quite distasteful.

            Yet, I've seen a lot of his speeches, and your complaints just don't match. Maybe there is a language barrier, or cultural barrier, or I DON'T KNOW WHAT, but for some reason his detractors don't seem to be hearing the same stuff; it's so bizarre. It's maddening.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 01 2017, @08:39PM (1 child)

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 01 2017, @08:39PM (#473504)

              OK, prove me wrong.
              Say this: "I do not like Trump as a person." "I do not enjoy watching Trump speak."

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 01 2017, @08:46PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 01 2017, @08:46PM (#473509)

                So do most people; just ask Hollywood: Nazis are extremely entertaining.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 01 2017, @08:53PM (2 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 01 2017, @08:53PM (#473512)

              You can personally skip the nationalism/patriotism, but it's a job requirement for being president. It's nearly the definition of the job. Your lack of nationalism/patriotism makes you unfit to be president. The whole point of being president is to take care of this country. That's it. That's the beginning and end of it.

              • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 01 2017, @09:01PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 01 2017, @09:01PM (#473518)

                The whole point of the Presidency is to provide a single point of authority in the executive branch, the purpose of which is to make sure that the implementation of legislation only upholds the Constitution. That's it.

                Alas, The People are increasingly in awe of The President as some kind of kingly father figure, despite the fact that the term in office is only 4 years, or possibly 8 at the most.

              • (Score: 2) by Anal Pumpernickel on Friday March 03 2017, @03:21PM

                by Anal Pumpernickel (776) on Friday March 03 2017, @03:21PM (#474376)

                Is it patriotic to routinely violate the highest law of the land, as pretty much every president has done? Because I don't think it is.

          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday March 01 2017, @10:51PM

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday March 01 2017, @10:51PM (#473587) Journal

            Sounds as if you like the guy.

            Sounds like you're stupid. In what alternate reality does commenting on someone's speaking style mean they are liked?

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 01 2017, @11:47PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 01 2017, @11:47PM (#473619)

            Where did I say I like this guy (either as a politician or "as a person")? Hell, I've stated I'm not a supporter, and I do find his lack of details and his emphasis on nationalism/patriotism quite distasteful.

            Yet, I've seen a lot of his speeches, and your complaints just don't match. Maybe there is a language barrier, or cultural barrier, or I DON'T KNOW WHAT, but for some reason his detractors don't seem to be hearing the same stuff; it's so bizarre. It's maddening.

        • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Zz9zZ on Wednesday March 01 2017, @08:51PM (30 children)

          by Zz9zZ (1348) on Wednesday March 01 2017, @08:51PM (#473511)

          He isn't always meandering, and he is capable of delivering good speeches. I think there is a lot of latent anger about his sheer amount of bullshit, and some of his bullshit is so thick he does come off as a bit mentally weak.

          I think the truth is that Trump simply avoids topics by changing the subject / misdirection and focuses on some topics that are of great importance to his ego. He also may have good and bad moments like a lot of old people. I have seen many clips of his interviews and some are downright scary knowing that he is currently the president of the US.

          If you don't get this, and the real possibility that the man has some sort of mental health problems (sleep deprivation, over ingestion of cable news / talk shows, etc.) then I guess there isn't much to talk about. EVERYONE should be tearing him a new one and demanding impeachment. From outright lies (I dunno someone gave me that information *cough BULLSHIT*) to potentially traitorous dealings with Russia, the man and his handlers are not fit to run this country. But hey, lets focus on his feelings and how we shouldn't say mean things that are only half true.... Irony, so very thick.

          --
          ~Tilting at windmills~
          • (Score: 2, Insightful) by khallow on Wednesday March 01 2017, @09:31PM (29 children)

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday March 01 2017, @09:31PM (#473533) Journal

            EVERYONE should be tearing him a new one and demanding impeachment.

            Demand a pony while you're at it. If impeachment for lying were a thing, we'd have impeached most presidents since Washington, including a fair number that are actually considered good (Lincoln, FDR, Eisenhower, etc).

            From outright lies (I dunno someone gave me that information *cough BULLSHIT*) to potentially traitorous dealings with Russia

            In other words, you got nothing.

            • (Score: 1, Troll) by Zz9zZ on Wednesday March 01 2017, @09:39PM (20 children)

              by Zz9zZ (1348) on Wednesday March 01 2017, @09:39PM (#473538)

              The simple fact that you defend him while the evidence is ever increasing is troubling. Apparently no amount of evidence can sway your emotional attachment, you stand up for a conman / liar / and generally distasteful human being. The only reason to do so is if you have deep seated emotional problems of your own, so Trump's outrageous and offensive behavior is actually comforting to you. Try using reason when "your guy" is attacked, maybe your emotional reaction is clouding your judgment.

              --
              ~Tilting at windmills~
              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 01 2017, @09:45PM (2 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 01 2017, @09:45PM (#473547)

                > rump's outrageous and offensive behavior is actually comforting to you

                Impossible!
                Khallow is a being of pure logic and reason.
                Like Spock.
                or Sheldon.

                • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Wednesday March 01 2017, @11:35PM

                  by aristarchus (2645) on Wednesday March 01 2017, @11:35PM (#473611) Journal

                  Khallow is a being of pure logic and reason.

                  You take back that insult right this minute!

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 01 2017, @11:46PM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 01 2017, @11:46PM (#473618)

                  And yet, he has a deep fear, if I remember well.

              • (Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday March 01 2017, @09:48PM (12 children)

                by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday March 01 2017, @09:48PM (#473550) Journal

                Apparently no amount of evidence can sway your emotional attachment, you stand up for a conman / liar / and generally distasteful human being.

                Good. Show the evidence that presidents get impeached for lying. I'll wait.

                The only reason to do so is if you have deep seated emotional problems of your own, so Trump's outrageous and offensive behavior is actually comforting to you. Try using reason when "your guy" is attacked, maybe your emotional reaction is clouding your judgment.

                I'm not you. My mental reactions are not your mental reactions. Just because you have an emotional reaction that clouds your judgment doesn't mean I do as well.

                • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 01 2017, @09:54PM (1 child)

                  by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 01 2017, @09:54PM (#473557)

                  My mental reactions are not your mental reactions. Just because you have an emotional reaction that clouds your judgment doesn't mean I do as well.

                  Wait.
                  Did you just accuse him of not knowing you and then immediately turn around claim to know him?
                  You have got to be one of the least self-aware people on soylent.

                  • (Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday March 01 2017, @10:49PM

                    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday March 01 2017, @10:49PM (#473585) Journal

                    Did you just accuse him of not knowing you and then immediately turn around claim to know him?

                    By making the accusation he revealed information about himself. Let us note in particular how much writing he spent discussing my alleged mental failings without providing even the slightest sliver of evidence or reason which is very peculiar for someone claiming to have such evidence and reason. Where did that come from then? My view is that if it didn't come from actual evidence, then it's internally fabricated. That's what psychological projection is all about.

                    You have got to be one of the least self-aware people on soylent.

                    Says the person who complained that I was doing a tu quoque fallacy and then proceeded to do it as well. I think the glaring problem here is not that I'm somehow not "self-aware" despite considerable evidence to the contrary (such as acknowledging that I can be wrong), but rather that you, Zz9zZ, and a bunch of other people aren't other-aware. There has been a ridiculous amount of owned goals here such as an AC accusing someone of being blind to the faults of Trump because... the other AC notes that Trump can and has read a fair number of prepared speeches or Zz9zZ accusing me and others of being Trump supporters merely because we don't buy the idea of impeachment for lying. The delusion and batshit crazy is getting pretty heavy in this thread.

                    But here's your chance to have a grown up moment. Trump says X in the news. Find where Trump tweeted not X. Before that X. Before that not X... etc. It sounds like there's probably dozens of shiny examples of flip-flops in Trump's short career. Use those to mock his inability to tell the truth, to have a concrete opinion, etc. It's not impeachment material, but it works. Demanding that he get impeached for something no one has been impeached for before is stupid and self-defeating. Nailing Trump for the things he does wrong works.

                • (Score: 2) by Zz9zZ on Wednesday March 01 2017, @10:04PM (9 children)

                  by Zz9zZ (1348) on Wednesday March 01 2017, @10:04PM (#473562)

                  It is the only logical explanation for your adherence to Trump. I've seen the symptom many times before, logical rational people still think they're being logical and rational when their emotions are actually compromised. I'll just sit back and enjoy this turnabout where "your team" shows everyone that they are actually the special snowflakes that can't bear criticism.

                  --
                  ~Tilting at windmills~
                  • (Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday March 01 2017, @10:35PM (8 children)

                    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday March 01 2017, @10:35PM (#473580) Journal
                    I notice this pattern before. All the kooks and loonies can talk about how rational and logical they're being. But they never, ever get around to anything concrete. It's not my imaginary emotions that we are discussing here. It's grounds for impeaching Trump (in case you've forgotten).

                    I can point to lies uttered by a fair number of previous presidents or their proxies: "You can keep your health insurance, if you want to", "There are WMD in Iraq", "I didn't have sex with that woman", "Read my lips, no new taxes", etc. And the only time an impeachment occurred was for lying in court - perjury, which is a felony.
                    • (Score: 2) by Zz9zZ on Wednesday March 01 2017, @10:59PM (7 children)

                      by Zz9zZ (1348) on Wednesday March 01 2017, @10:59PM (#473595)

                      EVERYONE should be tearing him a new one and demanding impeachment.

                      I guess you can't tell an opinion apart from a factual claim. I did not say he could be impeached, I did not say he will be impeached, and I did not say I have evidence strong enough to impeach him for. For that we'll need the FBI and probably CIA to weigh in on Trump's accountability for Flynn and other Russian ties.

                      I said we should impeach him.

                      But hey, don't let me stop your train of righteous indignation!! Please, spin the discussion off into inconsequential areas /s You're very much like Trump, you are full of yourself, think you're always correct, and never backpedal when called out for having conflicting viewpoints. You say what is convenient and useful to your argument at hand, and seem to only care about facts when they support your own world view. Calling me out for things which are 50% fabricated in your imagination is... frustratingly funny I guess.

                      --
                      ~Tilting at windmills~
                      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday March 02 2017, @12:16AM (5 children)

                        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday March 02 2017, @12:16AM (#473633) Journal

                        But hey, don't let me stop your train of righteous indignation!!

                        I had this vague impression after your talk of logic, reason, etc that you might have wanted fact-based opinions rather than opinions that didn't matter.

                        You're very much like Trump, you are full of yourself, think you're always correct, and never backpedal when called out for having conflicting viewpoints.

                        Yet here I am being "called out". Is this just another opinion that doesn't matter? Because it sure sounds a lot like your "Trump should be impeached" opinion in its lack of reliance on factual claims.

                        You say what is convenient and useful to your argument at hand

                        Reason often works that way. I find particularly that the tools of the disassembly of an argument often lie in plain view in the argument or in simple observations. And I see once again, someone typing away about how I'm such a terrible debater or whatnot without even a single example. I've been treating that as of late as projection since the speculations about my behavior seem to have nothing to do with my behavior.

                        • (Score: 2) by Zz9zZ on Thursday March 02 2017, @12:40AM (4 children)

                          by Zz9zZ (1348) on Thursday March 02 2017, @12:40AM (#473638)

                          No no, just long term observation. Your comments tend to stick out because they are rationally inflammatory, and I get to see how so often people respond with good information only to have you double down on whatever bullcrap you've got going on. So I'm not putting too much effort into this thread, it is tiring to waste serious thought and analysis so I'll just spew my off-the-cuff thoughts about your responses.

                          --
                          ~Tilting at windmills~
                          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday March 02 2017, @04:09AM

                            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday March 02 2017, @04:09AM (#473728) Journal
                            Funny how your narrative changed from "Apparently no amount of evidence can sway your emotional attachment" to "So I'm not putting too much effort into this thread". Well, I guess you're right, no amount of evidence was presented and no swaying happened as a result. But if you ever want to exert yourself a little and present a serious argument, I'll be around.
                          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday March 02 2017, @04:37AM (2 children)

                            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday March 02 2017, @04:37AM (#473738) Journal
                            I'll note that there's been an AC flat Earther on SN recently. He has plenty of long term observations. These observations aren't even remotely based on reality, but them's the breaks. There are ways to differentiate your viewpoint from a flat Earther who believes that NASA and the Freemasons are lying to us all in a massive conspiracy about the Moon to further the will of Satan, but you have to take those steps. Bragging about how little effort you put into thinking doesn't cut it.

                            As an AC poster noted [soylentnews.org]:

                            His train of righteous indignation? You're the one calling for everyone to rise up and impeach Trump while admitting there's no legal reason to do so. You're the one calling for a witch hunt.

                            If you were instead some Republican false flag operation, could you present a worse argument, undermining the case against Trump, than you actually have? I think not. Crying wolf on extremely frivolous grounds is a very effective way to destroy an argument.

                            • (Score: 2) by Zz9zZ on Thursday March 02 2017, @06:55PM (1 child)

                              by Zz9zZ (1348) on Thursday March 02 2017, @06:55PM (#474001)

                              Your analogy fails because the wolf is there, just dummies like yourself can't see it or don't believe the wolf is actually going to eat your sheep. As I already stated the call for impeachment was opinion, I don't have the concrete evidence necessary to accuse Trump of actual treason. So far we only have near-criminal levels of incompetence.

                              The conspiracy trick was created by Nixon and his yes-men, are you really that old? Thankfully it isn't an issue, the majority of US citizens agree with me that Trump sucks. Hard pill to swallow huh? Next time don't back a Turd.

                              --
                              ~Tilting at windmills~
                              • (Score: 1) by khallow on Friday March 03 2017, @04:37AM

                                by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Friday March 03 2017, @04:37AM (#474263) Journal

                                As I already stated the call for impeachment was opinion, I don't have the concrete evidence necessary to accuse Trump of actual treason.

                                As long as Trump follows the rule of law (at least as well as the other presidents who managed to not get impeached, which is a fairly low standard) and/or evidence of wrong doing of sufficient scale doesn't turn up in a few years, then the grounds for impeachment just don't exist. With your fake accusation, you provide material support to your alleged enemies (here, Trump and his supporters). That calls into question your motives. Are you actually trying to resist Trump's rise to power? Or are you undermining opposition to Trump by crying wolf [wikipedia.org], merely pretending to be in opposition to Trump on spurious grounds?

                      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 02 2017, @02:30AM

                        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 02 2017, @02:30AM (#473684)

                        His train of righteous indignation? You're the one calling for everyone to rise up and impeach Trump while admitting there's no legal reason to do so. You're the one calling for a witch hunt.

                        Trump will be a horrible president. Out of that we might get some good as the government fights against itself instead of colluding for itself. I do prefer someone who will tell me an easily detectable lie to my face than someone who'll stab me in the back while acting like my friend. Almost all politicians are corrupt bastards. Trump is at least a little more open about it, so that puts him above the others. It certainly doesn't make him a good person, but the bar is really low in Washington.

                        Out of the options we were given during the last election, sadly Trump was the best choice with a chance of winning.

              • (Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday March 01 2017, @09:55PM

                by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday March 01 2017, @09:55PM (#473558) Journal
                As an aside, we have a case where a president, Bill Clinton was impeached for perjury, but that is an actual felony since he lied in a court of law. Merely lying to the public is not perjury. And with the way the public votes, it's painfully evident that a lot of the public wants to be lied to. So I'm definitely not going to advocate impeachment for a non-criminal behavior, no matter how ugly, that the voting public wants.
              • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Phoenix666 on Thursday March 02 2017, @01:55AM (2 children)

                by Phoenix666 (552) on Thursday March 02 2017, @01:55AM (#473668) Journal

                I have a bit of a different view. I am tired of Wall Street and media talking heads and politicians talking to me like I'm fucking stupid, that the status quo is the best of all possible worlds, and that I'd realize that if only I would grow up and be mature about it. Meanwhile, watching the numbers, I see the wealth and vitality of the American people being sucked into the maws of a thousand lamprey eels.

                So if Trump directs his outrageous and offensive behavior at those parties, then I'm fine with that. In fact, I wish he'd be more outrageous and offensive to them. I wish he'd publicly haul out guys responsible for the sub-prime mortgage crisis and behead them on the National Mall. (Sadly, instead of that he hired a couple of those fuckers to run the economy) But he has taken aim at Congress, whom I hate, and at the federal bureaucracy, which I mostly despise. He has bullied some of the giant corporations that have been cutting our throats.

                In short, the jury's still out. I really wish the contest had come down to Trump vs. Bernie, and that Bernie had won, but if Trump beheads some of the 1% assholes who have been destroying the country, I'll consider it a net win.

                --
                Washington DC delenda est.
                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 02 2017, @06:31PM (1 child)

                  by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 02 2017, @06:31PM (#473984)

                  The problem with your attitude is that this "beheading" does not happen in isolation.
                  The collateral damage he is doing in the process is enormous.
                  So yeah, great, a couple of deserving 1% got whacked. And millions of 99% did too.

                  And if your response to that is "well those 99% were getting fucked anyway" then you are way too close to being a 1%er yourself.

                  • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Friday March 03 2017, @12:08PM

                    by Phoenix666 (552) on Friday March 03 2017, @12:08PM (#474328) Journal

                    What collateral damage is he doing? Failing to fill several hundred positions in the federal bureaucracy because they're not needed? Yes, that does sound like enormous damage is being done to the DC gravy train. Or are you talking about the agita he's giving the professional worriers? Most of those people are already in therapy and on prozac, so that problem is being handled.

                    It is possible to take out the 1% without taking out the 99%, too, but it takes political will and the intent to do so. In a pre-revolution context it means arresting the people for the crimes they have committed, and for which there is ample evidence, and convicting them instead of giving them untold sums of money and patted on the back with a mild admonition of, "do better next time, old chap."

                    It does not look like Trump means to do that to Wall Street, but it would be nice if he at least did it to Big Pharma or something. Some is better than the none that Hillary would have done.

                    Trump is not natively disposed to take down the 1% the way Bernie was, but he lives and dies on the adulation of his supporters so I expect for that reason he'll take somebody down to keep them cheering.

                    --
                    Washington DC delenda est.
            • (Score: 3, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday March 01 2017, @11:34PM (7 children)

              by DeathMonkey (1380) on Wednesday March 01 2017, @11:34PM (#473609) Journal

              If impeachment for lying were a thing...

              Tell that to Bill Clinton.

              In other words, you got nothing.

              The constitutional requirement that sitting presidents not receive money and gifts from foreign governments is, in fact, a thing.

              • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday March 02 2017, @12:19AM (6 children)

                by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday March 02 2017, @12:19AM (#473635) Journal

                Tell that to Bill Clinton.

                As I note twice already in this thread, Clinton did more than just lie, he lied in court under oath. That's perjury which is a real world felony.

                The constitutional requirement that sitting presidents not receive money and gifts from foreign governments is, in fact, a thing.

                It's a thing that Trump has to do first in order for it to be a crime.

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 02 2017, @02:18AM (5 children)

                  by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 02 2017, @02:18AM (#473678)

                  As I note twice already in this thread, Clinton did more than just lie, he lied in court under oath. That's perjury which is a real world felony.

                  He lied in response to a question that he should never have been asked.
                  That was prosecutorial misconduct.
                  Only an autistic idiot would think it appropriate to impeach someone for lying about consensual sex.

                  • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday March 02 2017, @04:24AM (4 children)

                    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday March 02 2017, @04:24AM (#473732) Journal

                    Only an autistic idiot would think it appropriate to impeach someone for lying about consensual sex.

                    Lying about consensual sex while under oath in a courtroom. That's what makes it perjury and a felony. There probably have been a few presidents who have lied about such things (particularly, John F. Kennedy) outside of a courtroom and as a result who haven't committed perjury.

                    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 02 2017, @04:58AM (3 children)

                      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 02 2017, @04:58AM (#473747)

                      Well, that's looks like a straight up confirmation that you are indeed on the spectrum, as many of us have suspected for quite a while now.
                      Also an admission that you are indeed an idiot.

                      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday March 02 2017, @10:38AM (2 children)

                        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday March 02 2017, @10:38AM (#473795) Journal

                        Well, that's looks like a straight up confirmation that you are indeed on the spectrum

                        If you want to self-identify as an immature brat, you keep using that insult.

                        Also an admission that you are indeed an idiot.

                        And yet, you apparently still don't get that lying under oath in a courtroom is a crime. So just maybe your opinion on my intelligence is equally worthless, eh?

                        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 02 2017, @06:28PM (1 child)

                          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 02 2017, @06:28PM (#473981)

                          You choose to see it as an insult.
                          Says more about you than anyone else.

                          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Friday March 03 2017, @04:49AM

                            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Friday March 03 2017, @04:49AM (#474269) Journal

                            You choose to see it as an insult.

                            And now you're trying to insult my intelligence too. You're not a relevant medical professional making an informed judgment based on a study of my behavior. You're an AC name calling on the internet. Don't you have something productive to do. Handpaint shit on walls maybe?

      • (Score: 2) by bradley13 on Thursday March 02 2017, @06:52AM

        by bradley13 (3053) on Thursday March 02 2017, @06:52AM (#473763) Homepage Journal

        The man is wholly inarticulate

        Obviously not, or else he would never have been elected. That's just your view of him, because you don't like him. Don't mix your subjective evaluation with objective truth, or you'll be blindsided by reality.

        Which is pretty much what happened in the presidential election...

        --
        Everyone is somebody else's weirdo.
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 01 2017, @11:26PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 01 2017, @11:26PM (#473606)

      Wow! Just Wow!
      You started off sounding like you were going to make some sense with your post, but then you took it straight down some rabbit hole off in cow-shit-for-brains foil-hat looney-land.

      Get a grip man. See a doctor or something before you hurt an innocent child or more.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 01 2017, @11:59PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 01 2017, @11:59PM (#473626)

        Your comment is an example.

  • (Score: 4, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 01 2017, @07:51PM (13 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 01 2017, @07:51PM (#473467)

    This is not a political story. It's a heartwarming story about how an elderly man got the chance to read an inspirational prepared speech to Congress.

    • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 01 2017, @08:13PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 01 2017, @08:13PM (#473480)

      This is not a political story. It's a heartwarming story about how an elderly man got the chance to read an inspirational prepared speech to Congress.

      How come nobody marked that comment as the work of a "troll"? Biased jerks.

      • (Score: 2) by Nerdfest on Wednesday March 01 2017, @08:37PM

        by Nerdfest (80) on Wednesday March 01 2017, @08:37PM (#473502)

        ... because "Funny" or sadly, "Informative " would be more proper?

    • (Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 01 2017, @08:26PM (9 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 01 2017, @08:26PM (#473491)

      How come nobody marked that comment as the work of a "troll"? Biased jerks.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 01 2017, @08:35PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 01 2017, @08:35PM (#473500)

        ok, dude, you are getting way too worked up.
        i don't know what your deal is, but whining about other posts' moderations suggests you've got a grievance problem
        back away from the keyboard
        smoke a blunt
        and come back in an hour
        doctor's orders.

        • (Score: 2) by edIII on Wednesday March 01 2017, @10:16PM

          by edIII (791) on Wednesday March 01 2017, @10:16PM (#473568)

          back away from the keyboard
          smoke a blunt
          and come back in an hour
          doctor's orders.

          You accepting new patients doc?

          --
          Technically, lunchtime is at any moment. It's just a wave function.
      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 01 2017, @08:38PM (5 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 01 2017, @08:38PM (#473503)

        You got modded down! Get over it!

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 01 2017, @08:50PM (4 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 01 2017, @08:50PM (#473510)

          The problem with getting marked "Troll" is that your comment is likely to be hidden. That's not OK.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 01 2017, @09:01PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 01 2017, @09:01PM (#473517)

            Ok snowflake, it only happens to you and it is a CRIME! how dare they!?!

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 01 2017, @09:11PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 01 2017, @09:11PM (#473526)

            Oh, you are the "downmods are censorship" guy.
            I thought you gave up and moved on to other pastures over a year ago.
            Maybe you should.

          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday March 01 2017, @09:57PM

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday March 01 2017, @09:57PM (#473559) Journal
            Your problem is my working as intended.
          • (Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Wednesday March 01 2017, @10:59PM

            by NotSanguine (285) <NotSanguineNO@SPAMSoylentNews.Org> on Wednesday March 01 2017, @10:59PM (#473596) Homepage Journal

            I browse at '-1'
            .
            Which means I even see your moronic comments.

            No censorship here, friend.

            --
            No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
      • (Score: 2) by Zz9zZ on Wednesday March 01 2017, @08:55PM

        by Zz9zZ (1348) on Wednesday March 01 2017, @08:55PM (#473514)

        My posts are routinely modded down, then modded back up by people who think I have good points. Deal with it, if you don't have enough people that care to mod you up then maybe the problem isn't with everyone else...

        --
        ~Tilting at windmills~
    • (Score: 3, Funny) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday March 01 2017, @11:36PM

      by DeathMonkey (1380) on Wednesday March 01 2017, @11:36PM (#473612) Journal

      It's a heartwarming story about how an elderly man got the chance to read an inspirational prepared speech to Congress.

      The only question that remains is which member of the Obama family wrote it?

  • (Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 01 2017, @08:10PM (14 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 01 2017, @08:10PM (#473478)

    This was and is a legitimate comment; it is not acceptable to mark a comment as "Troll" just because it doesn't match your world view.

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    Though not a supporter, I've watched a lot of Trump's speeches, and not only is he very consistent, but he's also delivered a lot of prepared, scripted remarks.

    So, I was a bit flabbergasted when these so-called "journalists" were, across many media, surprised that Trump was able to deliver a rehearsed, scripted speech in a controlled and "presidential" tone. I couldn't deny it any further: These people have no idea what they're talking about, and do not actually pay any meaningful attention to Trump whatsoever. They really are Fake News.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 01 2017, @08:16PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 01 2017, @08:16PM (#473483)

      http://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-cia-speech-transcript/ [cbsnews.com]

      It depends on what you mean by "consistent".

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 01 2017, @08:18PM (6 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 01 2017, @08:18PM (#473485)

      Anyone describing trump as "consistent" and meaning anything other than "consistently prone to incoherent meandering" is trolling.

      The only reason he's getting praised for this speech is because his prior performances have set the bar so low that simply doing an average job of delivering a speech to congress looks brilliant. Its kind of like being the smartest member of the three stooges.

      • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 01 2017, @08:22PM (4 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 01 2017, @08:22PM (#473487)

        Though Trump speaks at the irritatingly high level of abstraction at which any executive-class person speaks, he is in no way incomprehensible. His topics are consistent, and makes nearly the exact same statements for them every time; his speech last night was virtually a copy-paste of the remarks he's made throughout the campaign.

        If you continue to delude yourself about Trump, then you'll continue to be angered by your inability to do any kind of harm to his agenda.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 01 2017, @08:36PM (3 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 01 2017, @08:36PM (#473501)

          If you continue to delude yourself about Trump, then you'll continue to be angered by your inability to do any kind of harm to his agenda.

          This is actually my conclusion too. Something is up with anti-trump people I read online. Either they are false-flagging for Trump by saying obviously wrong things, or they harbor some deep error in their worldview. It is just bizarre they don't just offer legitimate critiques when there are so many, so obvious to anyone.

      • (Score: 4, Funny) by edIII on Wednesday March 01 2017, @10:24PM

        by edIII (791) on Wednesday March 01 2017, @10:24PM (#473575)

        Pretty much. He's like the little kid that keeps shitting his pants, then spreading it all over the carpet for fun. The first day he acts like a normal potty trained child his parents jump up and down full of positive encouragement and praise. He used the toilet! We have a genius honey!

        Its kind of like being the smartest member of the three stooges.

        Let's not insult true greatness! Or I'll murderize you! Nyuk, Nyuk, Nyuk

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        Technically, lunchtime is at any moment. It's just a wave function.
    • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Zz9zZ on Wednesday March 01 2017, @08:58PM (3 children)

      by Zz9zZ (1348) on Wednesday March 01 2017, @08:58PM (#473515)

      The reality here is that the press is using his tactics against him. Fabricate criticisms, inflate claims, mock their enemy. Trump calls nearly every major press outlet "the enemy of the people" and what do you expect? I would prefer if they would calmly use facts to harass him on his lies, but human history shows that is a pipe dream.

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      ~Tilting at windmills~
      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 02 2017, @12:02AM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 02 2017, @12:02AM (#473628)

        I'm waiting for the news outlets to wise up, when being shut out of his news briefings, to broadcast instead old news stories of him.

        Like the good old stories of his antics from the 80's, .. drunken orgies with nubiles, and cheating on his wife Ivana and children.
        Like the song: "Trump the monster ego" sung to the tune of Puff the magic dragon, https://neilrogers.org/trump-monster-ego/ [neilrogers.org]

        Then again they have plenty to talk about how every business venture of his, he has bankrupted.
        There is plenty of malice for anyone willing to give a shit.

        • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Thursday March 02 2017, @02:02AM

          by Phoenix666 (552) on Thursday March 02 2017, @02:02AM (#473671) Journal

          That would immediately backfire. It would only confirm the narrative that they're out to get him, and that they are the enemies of the American people.

          What they ought to do is pay Jon Stewart a lot of money to tell them to follow the advice he gave them for free on HuffPo a couple days ago: try practicing real journalism. It's the only real choice they have, but so far it looks like they're going to follow your playbook, and not Jon's.

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          Washington DC delenda est.
        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 02 2017, @04:45AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 02 2017, @04:45AM (#473744)

          I'm waiting for the news outlets to wise up, when being shut out of his news briefings, to broadcast instead old news stories of him.

          Actually, I'm waiting for them to do some old-school investigative journalism. But that would mean forgoing the daily press briefing from the WH and, instead, pounding the pavement, interviewing people, and looking through actual official government documents, etc. Very few "journalists" seem to actually do that any more. Yes, the scare quotes are quite intentional.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 01 2017, @11:38PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 01 2017, @11:38PM (#473613)

      I must repeat .. once again ..

      Wow! Just Wow!
      You started off sounding like you were going to make some sense with your post, but then you took it straight down some rabbit hole off in cow-shit-for-brains foil-hat looney-land.

      Get a grip man. See a doctor or something before you hurt an innocent child or more.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 02 2017, @12:01AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 02 2017, @12:01AM (#473627)

        Your comment is an excellent example.

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