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posted by Fnord666 on Saturday April 29 2017, @05:28AM   Printer-friendly
from the where-to-draw-the-line dept.

Officials in Xinjiang will deny benefits to children with certain Islamic or Islam-related names:

Many couples fret over choosing the perfect name for their newborn, but for Muslims in western China that decision has now become even more fraught: pick the wrong name and your child will be denied education and government benefits.

Officials in the western region of Xinjiang, home to roughly half of China's 23 million Muslims, have released a list of banned baby names amid an ongoing crackdown on religion, according to a report by US-funded Radio Free Asia.

Names such as Islam, Quran, Saddam and Mecca, as well as references to the star and crescent moon symbol, are all unacceptable to the ruling Communist party and children with those names will be denied household registration, a crucial document that grants access to social services, healthcare and education.

Muhammad, Jihad, Medina, Mujahid, Arafat, Imam, Hajj, and Yultuzay are also banned.

Also at NYT. Reuters story about other restrictions that went into effect on April 1st.

Related: West Facing 'Payback' for Colonialism, says China's State-run Paper
China's Xi Jinping Negotiates $46bn Superhighway to Pakistan
Facebook's Zuckerberg Meets With China's Propaganda Chief, Social Media Mocks Facebook Block


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West Facing 'Payback' for Colonialism, says China's State-run Paper 51 comments

The religious and cultural tensions the West faces are "payback" for slavery and colonialism, a Chinese state-run newspaper said Tuesday in the wake of the Islamist attack on Charlie Hebdo magazine.

The editorial in the Global Times newspaper — which often takes a nationalistic tone — dismissed the weekend's huge marches in Paris and elsewhere as "painkillers" that cannot halt the intensifying "clash of civilizations".

http://mg.co.za/article/2015-01-13-west-facing-payback-for-colonialism-china-paper

[Related]: http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/901536.shtml

What do you think ?

China's Xi Jinping Negotiates $46bn Superhighway to Pakistan 24 comments

China intends to invest $46 billion in infrastructure links to Pakistan:

The focus of spending is on building a China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) - a network of roads, railway and pipelines between the long-time allies. They will run some 3,000km (1,865 miles) from Gwadar in Pakistan to China's western Xinjiang region.

The projects will give China direct access to the Indian Ocean and beyond. This marks a major advance in China's plans to boost its economic influence in Central and South Asia, correspondents say, and far exceeds US spending in Pakistan.

[...] Some $15.5bn worth of coal, wind, solar and hydro energy projects will come online by 2017 and add 10,400 megawatts of energy to Pakistan's national grid, according to officials. A $44m optical fibre cable between the two countries is also due to be built.

The Great Game lives. Different players, same game. Equally large implications. Diplomacy game geeks, awake! Who are the players, and what's the play?

Facebook's Zuckerberg Meets With China's Propaganda Chief, Social Media Mocks Facebook Block 11 comments

Facebook was blocked in mainland China in 2009 following conflict between Uighurs and Han Chinese in Xinjiang. Now Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg is on a "charm offensive" likely intended to convince the government to bring the site back through the firewall... in a heavily censored form. Meanwhile, Chinese social media users have been amused and confused by Zuckerberg's journey, which has been featured in state media rather than censored:

Chinese social media users have taken to popular microblog Sina Weibo to mock media coverage of Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg's visit, since Facebook is blocked in China. Whilst outlets praised Mr Zuckerberg's "sincere" acts of diplomacy, web users mocked the activities he has taken part in during his China visit, which included jogging through "hazy" Beijing's Tiananmen Square, visiting the Great Wall and meeting China's propaganda chief Liu Yunshan as well as fellow media guru Jack Ma.

[...] The Breaking News account on Sina Weibo, which has over 49 million followers, asked users the question: "Will Facebook this time successfully enter the Chinese market?" Despite Facebook being blocked, the post appears to have survived censorship cuts perhaps because Alibaba, headed by internet entrepreneur Jack Ma, owns a 31.4% stake in the popular microblog. Jack Ma is one of the people Mr Zuckerberg met during his visit. Outlets also virally shared pictures showing the Facebook founder riding a toboggan down the Great Wall, which were originally posted on his Facebook account. Despite traditionally censoring posts from the US social network, the overseas edition of People's Daily shared posts on his visit. These included one by "Michael Wyh", alluding to China's firewall. "I thought there were two great walls in China: one for Mark Zuckerberg, and one for Chinese residents," it reads, receiving over 100 likes.

Amid heavy media coverage of the Zuckerberg visit, many users expressed bemusement, since they have absolutely no idea who he is. "Who is this? What is Facebook, what website?" asks PlanAsphy. Chen Jinlei JC appears to offer an explanation, saying "Overseas Facebook users are all 'older people'." Others simply commented on his physique, especially during his Tiananmen Square jog. Bad-Jim said "His body is alright". "The CEO's beauty cannot be blocked," adds LiYouYou_Asik.


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Massive DNA Collection Campaign in Xinjiang, China 21 comments

Chinese police are amassing a huge amount of genetic information in Xinjiang:

Police in the northwestern region of Xinjiang, China, have been collecting DNA samples from citizens and are now ramping up their capacity to analyse that genetic cache, according to evidence compiled by activists and details gathered by Nature. The advocacy group Human Rights Watch reported last month that Xinjiang authorities intend to accelerate efforts to gather blood samples from the region's large population of Muslim Uighur people. China's government has cracked down on Xinjiang's separatist movement in recent years, so the prospect of a DNA database there has stoked fears that authorities could use it as a political weapon.

[...] In its report, the organization said that Xinjiang's police had ordered 12 DNA sequencers. Nature has confirmed the order and learned, from documents and interviews with those involved in the transaction, that the police have purchased enough machines to process up to 2,000 DNA samples per day. The police department hung up when Nature rang to ask about the reason for the purchase.

[...] Many countries use DNA fingerprinting to solve crimes, reunite kidnapped children with their parents and identify bodies, and some researchers say that the boost in Xinjiang's DNA-analysis capacity does not, by itself, stand out. "Expansion of police surveillance is expected by any civilized nation," says Sara Katsanis, who researches the applications of genetic testing at Duke University in Durham, North Carolina.

Still, Katsanis and others worry about how DNA is being collected in China and especially in Xinjiang. Last year, Human Rights Watch reported that citizens in Xinjiang were required to give a blood sample to get a passport. And in March, Chinese state media detailed the conclusion of a 4-month programme during which 17.5 million people — who were predominantly Uighurs — were given health checks, including blood tests. Last week, reports emerged that many of the people who underwent these examinations had been forced to do so.

Previously:
China Bans Islam-Related Names in Xinjiang


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China Installs Surveillance App on Smartphones of Visitors to Xinjiang Region 19 comments

China Snares Tourists' Phones in Surveillance Dragnet by Adding Secret App

China has turned its western region of Xinjiang into a police state with few modern parallels, employing a combination of high-tech surveillance and enormous manpower to monitor and subdue the area's predominantly Muslim ethnic minorities. Now, the digital dragnet is expanding beyond Xinjiang's residents, ensnaring tourists, traders and other visitors — and digging deep into their smartphones.

A team of journalists from The New York Times and other publications examined a policing app used in the region, getting a rare look inside the intrusive technologies that China is deploying in the name of quelling Islamic radicalism and strengthening Communist Party rule in its Far West. The use of the app has not been previously reported.

China's border authorities routinely install the app on smartphones belonging to travelers who enter Xinjiang by land from Central Asia, according to several people interviewed by the journalists who crossed the border recently and requested anonymity to avoid government retaliation. Chinese officials also installed the app on the phone of one of the journalists during a recent border crossing. Visitors were required to turn over their devices to be allowed into Xinjiang. The app gathers personal data from phones, including text messages and contacts. It also checks whether devices are carrying pictures, videos, documents and audio files that match any of more than 73,000 items included on a list stored within the app's code.

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  • (Score: 1, Offtopic) by mrpg on Saturday April 29 2017, @05:34AM (4 children)

    by mrpg (5708) Subscriber Badge <reversethis-{gro ... yos} {ta} {gprm}> on Saturday April 29 2017, @05:34AM (#501454) Homepage

    first post.
    I'm a man of traditions.

  • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @06:24AM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @06:24AM (#501462)

    Suck it, chicom fuckers.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @01:25PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @01:25PM (#501538)

      Allahu suckit you raghead camel fucker!

  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @06:32AM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @06:32AM (#501465)

    Nobody is named Adolf anymore either.

    • (Score: 1) by anubi on Saturday April 29 2017, @07:01AM

      by anubi (2828) on Saturday April 29 2017, @07:01AM (#501470) Journal

      They might make beer ( Coors, that is... ).

      --
      "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." [KJV: I Thessalonians 5:21]
    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by pkrasimirov on Saturday April 29 2017, @07:50AM

      by pkrasimirov (3358) Subscriber Badge on Saturday April 29 2017, @07:50AM (#501485)

      > Nobody is named Adolf anymore either.
      But not because the child will be denied household registration.

  • (Score: 1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @07:17AM (25 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @07:17AM (#501474)

    Naming your kid "Muhammed" is child abuse. It forever prevents being part of western society. It marks you as part of a hostile culture, and in self-defense many westerners are inclined to return the favor.

    If there ever is a reason to remove a child from a family, this is it. You're killing that child's future.

    • (Score: 3, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @07:36AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @07:36AM (#501478)

      Name your kid Cassius Clay instead.

    • (Score: 2) by Lagg on Saturday April 29 2017, @10:16AM

      by Lagg (105) on Saturday April 29 2017, @10:16AM (#501502) Homepage Journal

      Heh, hostile culture. I'm going to guess you're american. We're officially no longer allowed to call other countries, societies or cultures therein hostile due to what we are comparatively :)

      At the same time. Good point. Can't see anyone named Muhammed getting a job here in the desert. But I feel like what I think is the problem is different from what you do.

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      http://lagg.me [lagg.me] 🗿
    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by wonkey_monkey on Saturday April 29 2017, @12:54PM (14 children)

      by wonkey_monkey (279) on Saturday April 29 2017, @12:54PM (#501532) Homepage

      Naming your kid "Muhammed" is child abuse. It forever prevents being part of western society.

      Some people are perfectly having no part of Western society. It's not the pinnacle of existence just because it happens to be where you live.

      --
      systemd is Roko's Basilisk
      • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday April 29 2017, @01:28PM

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Saturday April 29 2017, @01:28PM (#501540) Homepage Journal

        Actually, I am at the pinnacle of existence. But, that's cool, not everyone can be at the pinnacle. It makes life better if not everyone is trying to become the king of my mountain. Enjoy life down there on the plateau!!

        --
        Through a Glass, Darkly -George Patton
      • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Sulla on Saturday April 29 2017, @03:01PM (12 children)

        by Sulla (5173) on Saturday April 29 2017, @03:01PM (#501553) Journal

        Try explaining that to the police in Singapore when you litter.
        Try explaining that to the local police when you insult the King in Thailand
        Try explaining that to the mob in Saudia Arabia when you are a woman and didnt wear a burqa

        When in Rome you do as the Romans do. This comes back to the larger argument against immigration. People like to bitch about sending the Mexicans back, but they don't want George down the street to be sent away. People only care about sending "those other illegals I sont know" away. In general Mexicans (in general anyone from the americas) integrate well and the melting pot works because we both take something from the other, our cultures are similar enough that it works out.

        There is this changed perspective that the melting pot is bad and everyone needs to stay separate and vibrant -- except for the dominate western culture that is expected to change itself to be more in line with what the newer immigrants find acceptable. Immigrants from Asia, the Americas, Ireland, etc kept their traditional near and dear, but they didnt/dont honor kill relatives and demand we accept it because thats just their culture. Immigration, like marraige, means you need to cleave yourself free from your parents and start something new.

        No other people that have moved to the US have had as different a culture from us as the current immigrants from the ME.

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        Ceterum censeo Sinae esse delendam
        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @06:40PM (10 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @06:40PM (#501618)

          There is this changed perspective that the melting pot is bad and everyone needs to stay separate and vibrant

          Nope. That was always the perspective of the dominant culture.
          That you think otherwise just shows that you, like all bigots, are historically illiterate.
          The exact same complaints you make today have been made about every group of immigrants since before the revolution.
          We've always had chinatowns, little italies, etc. And we've always had people like you bitching about them about not integrating. And they have always integrated at the exact same rate as all previous waves of immigrants.

          For fucks sake, Mohammed himself is carved into the building of the supreme court. [soundvision.com]

          • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @08:07PM (6 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @08:07PM (#501652)

            For fucks sake, Mohammed himself is carved into the building of the supreme court.

            So? The song of the Marine Corps speaks about "from the shores of Tripoli", referring to the victorious battles, brought about by self-defense, over the Islamic Barbary Pirates' bases in said country.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @09:03PM (5 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @09:03PM (#501669)

              And the US military has turned the honorific "haji" into a synonym for "sand nigger."
              What they sing about is a lot less representative of the country than the supreme court.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @09:55PM (4 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @09:55PM (#501683)

                What [the Marine Corps] sing about is a lot less representative of the country than the supreme court.

                Is this the same Supreme Court that claimed that black-skinned people aren't human? [wikipedia.org]

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @11:34PM (3 children)

                  by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @11:34PM (#501720)

                  Its the same supreme court that overturned the dred scott ruling.
                  Your tea is so weak, its tasteless.

                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 30 2017, @05:04AM (2 children)

                    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 30 2017, @05:04AM (#501794)

                    the same supreme court that overturned the dred scott ruling.

                    [citation needed]

                    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 30 2017, @11:41AM (1 child)

                      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 30 2017, @11:41AM (#501825)

                      Don't be dense.
                      There have been many rulings affirming the 1866 civil rights act that was passed in order to nullify the dred scott decision.

                      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 30 2017, @02:13PM

                        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 30 2017, @02:13PM (#501857)

                        How many more years do you expect it'll take for Mohummad's image to be "overturned" from public buildings as a figurehead of an ideology that calls for a global war of conquest?

          • (Score: 2) by Sulla on Saturday April 29 2017, @10:40PM (2 children)

            by Sulla (5173) on Saturday April 29 2017, @10:40PM (#501701) Journal

            I don't recall those living in our various Chinatowns or Little Italies participating in honor killings.

            --
            Ceterum censeo Sinae esse delendam
            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @11:31PM (1 child)

              by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @11:31PM (#501716)

              I don't recall those living in our various Chinatowns or Little Italies participating in honor killings.

              Again, your historical illiteracy is proof of nothing beyond your ignorance.

              Families have been killing their own kids for being gay for centuries.
              Men have been killing women for cheating on them since forever too.
              Especially when the woman hooks up with a black man. [woldcnews.com]

              Honor killing is still on the books as a legal defense in some states.
              It was successfully used in a Georiga state court just a couple of years ago. [ajc.com]

              So don't give me this shit about honor killing being unique to muslims. If anything, muslims in american have much lower rates of violent crime than native born whites. Out of a couple of million american muslims how many have committed and honor killing? Like maybe 3? If you think 3 out of 3 million is a meaningful number you aren't just illiterate, you are a fucking innumerate.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 30 2017, @03:40PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 30 2017, @03:40PM (#501876)

                fuck muslims and their goat fucking, child molesting profit.

        • (Score: 1, Flamebait) by Runaway1956 on Saturday April 29 2017, @10:54PM

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Saturday April 29 2017, @10:54PM (#501705) Homepage Journal

          This changed perspective . . .

          No, the melting pot isn't bad. But, immigration implies a relation, or relationship. Kinda like getting married, where a new relationship is created and built. If he can't stand her family, the relationship is going to see rocky time. Vice versa, of course. A marriage requires a lot of things, starting with similar values, and complementary expectations. I know that in some parts of the world, neither the bride nor the groom has any voice in getting married, but here in America, they both have an equal voice.

          With the illegal aliens, one of us has no voice. I/we have our house, and we are comfortable in our house. Some stranger who we don't even know decides to move in, and we have no say in it. That's the whole point of the "illegal" in "illegal aliens". I/we don't want to marry every Carlos, Juan, and Jiminez to wander into the open front door. At the VERY least, knock on the door, and ask permission to come into the house.

          Courtesy, respect, morals - if you have none of those, well, hell no we don't need or want a relationship with you!

          Pretty much every man and woman in America would defend themselves from the burglar breaking in the front door, but many can't understand that the burglar IS a burglar.

          Remember that they aren't "immigrants" - they are ILLEGAL ALIEN INVADERS. Those who take the time and effort to jump through all the hoops required by law are STILL WELCOME HERE!!

          Remember that Illegal is not a race. It isn't racist to expect people to knock at the door, and ask permission to come into the house. It isn't racist to defend your home from the illegal alien invaders.

          As for those you mention from the mid-East - to true. Specifically, Muslims demanding that we adust to their culture. Hell no, we won't adjust. Western/Euro history has a tradition of fighting back, and resisting an aristocracy which assumed all the "rights" and "privileges" which Islam demands for itself. Honor killings for infidelity and/or adultery? You bet! Maybe not so much for insulting God, but when arranged marriages were the thing, there were probably enough "honor killings" to keep the women in line.

          And, that's what makes the liberal/progressive alliance with Islam so very crazy. Islam wants to turn our clocks back by several hundreds of years, if not a thousand year or more!

          --
          Through a Glass, Darkly -George Patton
    • (Score: 3, Funny) by Runaway1956 on Saturday April 29 2017, @01:27PM (5 children)

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Saturday April 29 2017, @01:27PM (#501539) Homepage Journal

      I must point out that China isn't exactly "western". Maybe you meant that it forever prevents the kid from being part of far-Eastern society?

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      Through a Glass, Darkly -George Patton
      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @04:19PM (4 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @04:19PM (#501573)

        Xinjiang Province is the westernmost part of China.

        • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Saturday April 29 2017, @04:33PM (3 children)

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Saturday April 29 2017, @04:33PM (#501577) Homepage Journal

          Oh, East is East, and West is West, and never the twain shall meet,
          Till Earth and Sky stand presently at God's great Judgment Seat;
          But there is neither East nor West, Border, nor Breed, nor Birth,
          When two strong men stand face to face,
          tho' they come from the ends of the earth!

          Kamal is out with twenty men to raise the Border-side,
          And he has lifted the Colonel's mare that is the Colonel's pride:
          He has lifted her out of the stable-door between the dawn and the day,
          And turned the calkins upon her feet, and ridden her far away.
          Then up and spoke the Colonel's son that led a troop of the Guides:
          "Is there never a man of all my men can say where Kamal hides?"
          Then up and spoke Mahommed Khan, the son of the Ressaldar:
          "If ye know the track of the morning-mist, ye know where his pickets are.
          At dusk he harries the Abazai -- at dawn he is into Bonair,
          But he must go by Fort Bukloh to his own place to fare,
          So if ye gallop to Fort Bukloh as fast as a bird can fly,
          By the favour of God ye may cut him off ere he win to the Tongue of Jagai.
          But if he be past the Tongue of Jagai, right swiftly turn ye then,
          For the length and the breadth of that grisly plain is sown with Kamal's men.
          There is rock to the left, and rock to the right, and low lean thorn between,
          And ye may hear a breech-bolt snick where never a man is seen."
          The Colonel's son has taken a horse, and a raw rough dun was he,
          With the mouth of a bell and the heart of Hell
          and the head of the gallows-tree.
          The Colonel's son to the Fort has won, they bid him stay to eat --
          Who rides at the tail of a Border thief, he sits not long at his meat.
          He's up and away from Fort Bukloh as fast as he can fly,
          Till he was aware of his father's mare in the gut of the Tongue of Jagai,
          Till he was aware of his father's mare with Kamal upon her back,
          And when he could spy the white of her eye, he made the pistol crack.
          He has fired once, he has fired twice, but the whistling ball went wide.
          "Ye shoot like a soldier," Kamal said. "Show now if ye can ride."
          It's up and over the Tongue of Jagai, as blown dustdevils go,
          The dun he fled like a stag of ten, but the mare like a barren doe.
          The dun he leaned against the bit and slugged his head above,
          But the red mare played with the snaffle-bars, as a maiden plays with a glove.
          There was rock to the left and rock to the right, and low lean thorn between,
          And thrice he heard a breech-bolt snick tho' never a man was seen.
          They have ridden the low moon out of the sky, their hoofs drum up the dawn,
          The dun he went like a wounded bull, but the mare like a new-roused fawn.
          The dun he fell at a water-course -- in a woful heap fell he,
          And Kamal has turned the red mare back, and pulled the rider free.
          He has knocked the pistol out of his hand -- small room was there to strive,
          "'Twas only by favour of mine," quoth he, "ye rode so long alive:
          There was not a rock for twenty mile, there was not a clump of tree,
          But covered a man of my own men with his rifle cocked on his knee.
          If I had raised my bridle-hand, as I have held it low,
          The little jackals that flee so fast were feasting all in a row:
          If I had bowed my head on my breast, as I have held it high,
          The kite that whistles above us now were gorged till she could not fly."
          Lightly answered the Colonel's son: "Do good to bird and beast,
          But count who come for the broken meats before thou makest a feast.
          If there should follow a thousand swords to carry my bones away,
          Belike the price of a jackal's meal were more than a thief could pay.
          They will feed their horse on the standing crop,
          their men on the garnered grain,
          The thatch of the byres will serve their fires when all the cattle are slain.
          But if thou thinkest the price be fair, -- thy brethren wait to sup,
          The hound is kin to the jackal-spawn, -- howl, dog, and call them up!
          And if thou thinkest the price be high, in steer and gear and stack,
          Give me my father's mare again, and I'll fight my own way back!"
          Kamal has gripped him by the hand and set him upon his feet.
          "No talk shall be of dogs," said he, "when wolf and gray wolf meet.
          May I eat dirt if thou hast hurt of me in deed or breath;
          What dam of lances brought thee forth to jest at the dawn with Death?"
          Lightly answered the Colonel's son: "I hold by the blood of my clan:
          Take up the mare for my father's gift -- by God, she has carried a man!"
          The red mare ran to the Colonel's son, and nuzzled against his breast;
          "We be two strong men," said Kamal then, "but she loveth the younger best.
          So she shall go with a lifter's dower, my turquoise-studded rein,
          My broidered saddle and saddle-cloth, and silver stirrups twain."
          The Colonel's son a pistol drew and held it muzzle-end,
          "Ye have taken the one from a foe," said he;
          "will ye take the mate from a friend?"
          "A gift for a gift," said Kamal straight; "a limb for the risk of a limb.
          Thy father has sent his son to me, I'll send my son to him!"
          With that he whistled his only son, that dropped from a mountain-crest --
          He trod the ling like a buck in spring, and he looked like a lance in rest.
          "Now here is thy master," Kamal said, "who leads a troop of the Guides,
          And thou must ride at his left side as shield on shoulder rides.
          Till Death or I cut loose the tie, at camp and board and bed,
          Thy life is his -- thy fate it is to guard him with thy head.
          So, thou must eat the White Queen's meat, and all her foes are thine,
          And thou must harry thy father's hold for the peace of the Border-line,
          And thou must make a trooper tough and hack thy way to power --
          Belike they will raise thee to Ressaldar when I am hanged in Peshawur."

          They have looked each other between the eyes, and there they found no fault,
          They have taken the Oath of the Brother-in-Blood on leavened bread and salt:
          They have taken the Oath of the Brother-in-Blood on fire and fresh-cut sod,
          On the hilt and the haft of the Khyber knife, and the Wondrous Names of God.
          The Colonel's son he rides the mare and Kamal's boy the dun,
          And two have come back to Fort Bukloh where there went forth but one.
          And when they drew to the Quarter-Guard, full twenty swords flew clear --
          There was not a man but carried his feud with the blood of the mountaineer.
          "Ha' done! ha' done!" said the Colonel's son.
          "Put up the steel at your sides!
          Last night ye had struck at a Border thief --
          to-night 'tis a man of the Guides!"

          Oh, East is East, and West is West, and never the twain shall meet,
          Till Earth and Sky stand presently at God's great Judgment Seat;
          But there is neither East nor West, Border, nor Breed, nor Birth,
          When two strong men stand face to face,
          tho' they come from the ends of the earth!
          Rudyard Kipling

          --
          Through a Glass, Darkly -George Patton
          • (Score: 1, Troll) by aristarchus on Saturday April 29 2017, @07:58PM (1 child)

            by aristarchus (2645) on Saturday April 29 2017, @07:58PM (#501649) Journal

            Let's just ignore Runaway, to save him embarrassment. He is directionally and historically challenged. He has a pinnacle up his alimentary tract, and his parents gave him an illegal name. And he has an LCD TV. Poor, poor, Runaway!

            (On the other hand, perhaps we misunderestimate Runaway! Could he be making a obscure reference to the Mohist Classic, "Kung-sun Lung", which asserts that "a white horse is not a horse." Mutandis mutandum, Western China is not the West? Could this be what Runaway means? A veiled critique of the metaphysics of substance and the rectification of names by the Confucian schools of Chinese thought? . . . No, not really possible. More likely a plain and simple lack of comprehension.)

          • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Reziac on Sunday April 30 2017, @03:32AM

            by Reziac (2489) on Sunday April 30 2017, @03:32AM (#501778) Homepage

            And if they persist in trying to mingle East and West, the East may discover that *they* are locked in with the Saxon.

            It was not part of their blood,
            It came to them very late,
            With long arrears to make good,
            When the Saxon began to hate.

            They were not easily moved,
            They were icy -- willing to wait
            Till every count should be proved,
            Ere the Saxon began to hate.

            Their voices were even and low.
            Their eyes were level and straight.
            There was neither sign nor show
            When the Saxon began to hate.

            It was not preached to the crowd.
            It was not taught by the state.
            No man spoke it aloud
            When the Saxon began to hate.

            It was not suddently bred.
            It will not swiftly abate.
            Through the chilled years ahead,
            When Time shall count from the date
            That the Saxon began to hate.

            -- Rudyard Kipling

            --
            And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
    • (Score: 2) by MichaelDavidCrawford on Sunday April 30 2017, @02:00AM (1 child)

      by MichaelDavidCrawford (2339) Subscriber Badge <mdcrawford@gmail.com> on Sunday April 30 2017, @02:00AM (#501750) Homepage Journal

      One of the best managers I ever had. I'd gladly work for him again.

      --
      Yes I Have No Bananas. [gofundme.com]
      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 30 2017, @05:07PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 30 2017, @05:07PM (#501914)

        Anecdotes are not data. A positive personal experience with someone named Muhammed does not negate the vile, repugnant history of his namesake, nor the violent, incompatible ideology of Islam, of which Muhammed is both prophet and example for Muslims to pattern their lives after.

  • (Score: 2) by BK on Saturday April 29 2017, @06:00PM (18 children)

    by BK (4868) on Saturday April 29 2017, @06:00PM (#501599)

    The linked 'related article' about colonialism makes this story ironic. What's Chinese word or irony?

    This is going to be an example at some point in the future of a way to interact with and perhaps assimilate Islamic cultures. Whether it will be a an example of something that works or of something that massively backfires remains to be seen.

    Certainly it is contrary to the idea (or value?) that anyone should be able to choose or have any religion they want and not suffer discrimination because of it. But I'm not sure anyone ever really believed in that anyway...

    --
    ...but you HAVE heard of me.
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @08:12PM (17 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @08:12PM (#501653)

      Certainly it is contrary to the idea (or value?) that anyone should be able to choose or have any religion they want and not suffer discrimination because of it.

      Islam is not a religion. It is a societal and political system that literally calls for world-wide war by any means necessary, with the goal of conquering the whole world.

      Forbidding people from remaining in your country who have pledged allegiance to a system which literally calls for war against you is usually referred to as "common sense". The usual alternative is killing them before they have a chance to kill you.

      • (Score: 2) by BK on Saturday April 29 2017, @08:30PM (2 children)

        by BK (4868) on Saturday April 29 2017, @08:30PM (#501655)

        So how would I tell a "religion" from a "societal and political system"?

        --
        ...but you HAVE heard of me.
        • (Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @09:58PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @09:58PM (#501685)

          So how would I tell a "religion" from a "societal and political system"?

          Good question. How would you?

        • (Score: 2) by Reziac on Sunday April 30 2017, @03:34AM

          by Reziac (2489) on Sunday April 30 2017, @03:34AM (#501779) Homepage

          A religion doesn't routinely kill those who leave it. A totalitarian political system, OTOH...

          --
          And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
      • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @08:35PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @08:35PM (#501659)

        Islam is not a religion. It is a societal and political system that literally calls for world-wide war by any means necessary, with the goal of conquering the whole world.

        Hey, look! It's Former NSC head, Former Gen. Michael Flynn posting right here on SoylentNews!! Wait, did the Russkies pay him for this?

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @10:02PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @10:02PM (#501686)

          Hey, look! It's Former NSC head, Former Gen. Michael Flynn posting right here on SoylentNews!! Wait, did the Russkies pay him for this?

          No, I'm doing this on my own time.

      • (Score: 2) by Wootery on Saturday April 29 2017, @10:18PM (11 children)

        by Wootery (2341) on Saturday April 29 2017, @10:18PM (#501691)

        Well Islam certainly is a religion. You sound quite silly trying to deny this.

        In some of its forms, yes, it also forms an (invariably awful) system of government. But, happily, liberal Islam does exist.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @10:26PM (10 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @10:26PM (#501695)

          liberal Islam does exist

          The only objective statement you made is wrong. If a person doesn't model their behavior after Mohammed's, they are not following Islam and thus not Muslim. This is why there are so many Muslims murdering "other Muslims".

          Feel free to educate yourself on what Islam is, using Islam's own books. One excellent and well-sourced English resource for this is at prophetofdoom.net

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @10:51PM (9 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @10:51PM (#501704)

            One excellent and well-sourced English resource for this is at prophetofdoom.net

            Silly fundie Christian! No wonder you are such an idiot, if you rely on other idiots so you can all share your idiocy together! This sounds like the "Song of Roland", where the ignorant and idiotic Franks think Muslims worship Apollo!! There is only one thing a person has to be to be a Muslim. One thing. All the rest is cultural, or fearmongering Franks.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @11:22PM (8 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @11:22PM (#501713)

              Apologies if I'll instead take the word of Islam's source books and indepth analysis of the same over a childish anonymous poster who slings insults as a stand-in for an actual argument.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @11:47PM (7 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @11:47PM (#501725)

                > indepth analysis

                An indepth analysis by people with an axe to grind is no analysis at all, its just a polemic.

                Maybe you should ask the people who live their religion.
                Or if you can't because you don't actually know any muslims, which is a given for people like you, then watch a movie like The Taqwacores. [youtube.com]
                Or, since you are certainly too lazy to spend 80 minutes actually learning about islam from people who don't agree with your bigotry, at least spend 80 seconds and watch the trailer. [youtube.com]

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 30 2017, @05:00AM (6 children)

                  by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 30 2017, @05:00AM (#501792)

                  When you ask the average person their opinion on a given subject, you are subject to Sturgeon's Law [wikipedia.org]. Any serious analysis of a topic will rely on primary source materials, just as the author of Prophet of Doom did.

                  since you are certainly too lazy to spend 80 minutes actually learning about islam

                  Laughable when the single source I recommended (there are several more I have studied to choose from) is a book with over nine hundred pages of indepth investigation into Islam from its own source code: the Quran, Hadith, and Sura. The modern equivalent you're proposing is saying that you know some Nazis, and despite their roots, the Nazis you know really aren't all that interested in national socialism, racial purity, horrific medical experiments on unwilling victims, or murdering "undesirables".

                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 30 2017, @09:59AM (5 children)

                    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 30 2017, @09:59AM (#501814)

                    When this evidence is evaluated systematically, the only rational conclusion is that Islam's lone prophet critic and author of The Prophet of Doom is a ruthless terrorist, a mass-murderer, a thief, slave trader, rapist and Republican.

                    FTFY.

                    Has a ring, though, we might even consider this Islamophobic AC as "The AC of Doom!" Part of the Marvel Universe? Or Trump's brain trust, like Flynn?

                    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 30 2017, @10:56AM (4 children)

                      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 30 2017, @10:56AM (#501821)

                      When this evidence is evaluated systematically, the only rational conclusion is that Islam's lone prophet critic and author of The Prophet of Doom is a ruthless terrorist, a mass-murderer, a thief, slave trader, rapist and Republican.

                      I see you like to resort to outright blatant lies and projection. I assume you're being paid to post such transparent tripe? [theintercept.com] Otherwise, I look forward to your evidence that the author of Prophet of Doom is a mass-murderer, let alone a slaver, rapist, terrorist, or thief. Note that all these accusations you just made still perfectly apply to Mohummad.

                      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 30 2017, @11:20AM (3 children)

                        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 30 2017, @11:20AM (#501823)

                        > I assume you're being paid to post such transparent tripe?

                        Lol. And that is everything anyone needs to know about your grip on reality.
                        As if anyone would pay someone to fuck around with an AC on a website nobody has heard of regarding some fringe nutjob protocols-of-the-elders-of-zion level bullshit.
                        Your delusions of grandeur would be hilarious if what they revealed about you weren't so sad.

                        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 30 2017, @11:50AM (2 children)

                          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 30 2017, @11:50AM (#501827)

                          Lol.

                          So... you ARE a paid disinfo troll [theintercept.com]? =)

                          If we treat you like Pravda and invert the meaning of everything you say, will we be closer to truth? Truth such as: Islam is an unreformable (i.e. "perfect") violent ideology bent on a literal world war of conquest?

                          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 30 2017, @05:28PM (1 child)

                            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 30 2017, @05:28PM (#501917)

                            Yes I am being paid by the CIA to brainwash you.
                            And they are only paying me 10 cents a day because your brain is so small that it takes no work at all.

                            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 01 2017, @12:10AM

                              by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 01 2017, @12:10AM (#502061)

                              So, taking the Pravda approach with a known liar [soylentnews.org] leaves me with: the CIA is not paying you, but whoever is is handing you a significant sum because the targets are deemed significantly threatening [theintercept.com].

                              They should get a refund from you.

                              None of this changes the objective fact that Islam is a fundamentally violent ideology that demands its adherents wage war (both hot and cold, as necessary) around the world, using force or deceit (the latter is considered to be moral particularly when advancing the goals of Islam), and cannot be reformed as Islam's source material refers to itself as "perfect".

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 03 2017, @12:24AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 03 2017, @12:24AM (#503334)

    Didn't the Chinese do something similar after annexing Tibet? I think it was illegal to use traditional Tibetan names for kids, and many other things, all aimed to destroy the old culture.

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