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posted by CoolHand on Wednesday July 19 2017, @04:15PM   Printer-friendly
from the see-through-or-imaginary? dept.

Fox News covers President Trump's visit to Paris and his latest plan for the border wall.

President Donald Trump says the U.S. needs "anywhere from 700 to 900 miles" of see-through wall along the Mexican border.

Trump told reporters during his flight to Paris that the U.S. won't need a wall all along the roughly 2,000 mile border because of "natural barriers," including mountains and rivers. The winding Rio Grande defines the border in most of Texas while the Colorado River marks the boundary along 24 miles in Arizona. Trump describes the rivers as "violent and vicious" though in parts of Texas the river is little more than a trickle of water.

There's already about 650 miles of fences and barriers at the border that Trump says need to be replaced or fixed.

He also says the fence needs to be see-through, in part to help avoid injuries from sacks of drugs being tossed over the barrier.

The White House had originally said Trump's comments were off the record, but reversed course Thursday.


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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 19 2017, @04:31PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 19 2017, @04:31PM (#541492)

    perfeckt

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 19 2017, @04:48PM (9 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 19 2017, @04:48PM (#541502)

    We all know this originated in libby libtard SF in the 80's so that makes Trump a reverse reverse vampire with shatnarian overtones

    Thanks Scotty!

    • (Score: 2) by JNCF on Wednesday July 19 2017, @04:54PM (8 children)

      by JNCF (4317) on Wednesday July 19 2017, @04:54PM (#541505) Journal

      Chain-link is cheaper. The hazards of a solid fence sound like a thin justification for cost-cutting, not that I mind the silly border "wall" costing less.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 19 2017, @05:02PM (4 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 19 2017, @05:02PM (#541508)

        Chain link is for losers, those that are to weak to believe in america, If you want HUGE success to contracts should be taken away form the libtards on the left coast and given to the true americans in patriotic companies like haliburten and lockheed marten who employ real americans in the flyover states

        MAGA!

        • (Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 19 2017, @05:08PM (2 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 19 2017, @05:08PM (#541512)

          Give the contract to Ikea.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 20 2017, @12:45AM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 20 2017, @12:45AM (#541711)

            Make sure all the loose screws are on our side of the fence.

            • (Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 20 2017, @02:53AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 20 2017, @02:53AM (#541771)

              Already done. Just look at the administration :)

        • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Wednesday July 19 2017, @08:28PM

          by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday July 19 2017, @08:28PM (#541630) Journal

          To help American taxpayers get the best value for their tax dollar, shouldn't the contract for building the wall be given to Mexican workers?

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 19 2017, @07:39PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 19 2017, @07:39PM (#541609)

        I wonder how many people will remember Trump's campaign promise of making a "big, beautiful wall" which was absolutely "not a fence."

        Aww, who am I kidding? I wonder how many people will remember any of Trump's campaign promises at all?

        I do know this is the first president in the past several decades for whom the media didn't make a big deal of the "accomplishments at 100 days in office" ... I guess it's hard to make a big deal and be "fair and balanced" when there was so little done. Just telling the truth sounds rigged.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 19 2017, @07:55PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 19 2017, @07:55PM (#541616)

        We should have two chain link fences, one on each side of a mile-wide minefield. The fences are just to keep hikers from wandering into the kill zone by accident. As desired, substitute autonomous machine gun turrets in place of the landmines. (not human shooters, who are vulnerable to cuteness and boredom)

        The deaths are mostly theoretical. Nobody actually gets hurt because nobody will cross, except perhaps the suicidal.

        • (Score: 2) by driverless on Thursday July 20 2017, @05:40AM

          by driverless (4770) on Thursday July 20 2017, @05:40AM (#541819)

          That'd be the way to go. You could even recycle most of the materials you're describing from a nearly identical setup that was dismantled in Germany between 1990 and 1992. A lot of the components are still stockpiled in various places, since no-one had any more use for them, so you'd just need to get them shipped to the US. You could call it the Antimexikanischer Schutzwall.

  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by kaszz on Wednesday July 19 2017, @04:51PM (9 children)

    by kaszz (4211) on Wednesday July 19 2017, @04:51PM (#541504) Journal

    Is it a big problem of being hit by sacks of drugs being tossed over the barrier presently?

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 19 2017, @05:06PM (4 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 19 2017, @05:06PM (#541509)

      President Trump says the sacks weigh 60 pounds [thecannabist.co]. In metric that's 27 kg. They're fired from trebuchets.

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by JoeMerchant on Wednesday July 19 2017, @07:24PM

      by JoeMerchant (3937) on Wednesday July 19 2017, @07:24PM (#541597)

      IDK, but I just about hurt myself laughing when I read:

      He also says the fence needs to be see-through, in part to help avoid injuries from sacks of drugs being tossed over the barrier.

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    • (Score: 2) by stretch611 on Thursday July 20 2017, @07:05AM (1 child)

      by stretch611 (6199) on Thursday July 20 2017, @07:05AM (#541840)

      Is it a big problem of being hit by sacks of drugs being tossed over the barrier presently?

      I don't know about the rest of the problem, but it has happened to Trump. How else would you explain that orange thing embedded on the top of his head?

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 20 2017, @11:47AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 20 2017, @11:47AM (#541882)

        Cheetos?

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 20 2017, @03:06PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 20 2017, @03:06PM (#541924)

      Currently, not presently. Presently means 'in the near future'.

  • (Score: 3, Funny) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday July 19 2017, @05:01PM (19 children)

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday July 19 2017, @05:01PM (#541506) Journal

    If we set our mind to it, we could build another "wonders of the world" thing for a wall.

    Instead, we're going to put up some stupidassed chainlink fence? FFS, an old worn out bastard such as myself can go over or through a chain link fence. I want an elevated roadway, standing 20 feet above the desert, with Jeeps (or Humvees, I guess) patrolling on top of the wall. Something visible from Mars. 150 years from now, the new generations of Martians can study the wall, and talk about the "XXXth Wonder of the Earth", and how expensive the boondoggle was.

    Billy, "Look, there's the Great Wall of China! Cool, how they light up a lot of it, so we can see it, since we only see the night side of Earth."

    Jimmy, "I heard the United States had a Great Wall too - I want to see that!"

    Billy, "Yeah, they had a "great wall", but it rusted away after half a century. Even with lights, there's nothing to see."

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 19 2017, @05:07PM (16 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 19 2017, @05:07PM (#541511)

      What your proposing has great merit, there are 11 million illegal terroists in america, if one hundred were buried in the wall for every half mile that would reduce the number we need to deport by at least 400 thousand and think if we build a wall on the northern boarder to keep out the trerrorists from canada that would be another million or more

      small government and cutting costs like a business

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 19 2017, @05:17PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 19 2017, @05:17PM (#541519)

        Would you like some towers [soylentnews.org] with your wall?

      • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday July 19 2017, @05:24PM (12 children)

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday July 19 2017, @05:24PM (#541525) Journal

        Why bury them? Shackle them, and hang them from the wall, for everyone to see. Inspirational images here, take your pick, or design a better gibbet: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=gibbet&t=ffnt&iax=1&ia=images [duckduckgo.com]

        • (Score: 2) by bob_super on Wednesday July 19 2017, @06:52PM (1 child)

          by bob_super (1357) on Wednesday July 19 2017, @06:52PM (#541581)

          If the image of violence and hate that the US broadcasts to the world daily is still received as "Meh, better than my civil/drug/gang war, let's spend all my savings to attempt crossing that deadly desert", I somehow doubt that a few mangled bodies used as wall decoration is gonna stem the flow.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 20 2017, @03:06AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 20 2017, @03:06AM (#541774)

            People flooding into your country stopped a while ago. No need to display a few mangled bodies, everyone already knows what a shithole it's become.

        • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday July 19 2017, @07:00PM (9 children)

          by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Wednesday July 19 2017, @07:00PM (#541584) Journal

          Please tell me you don't actually mean this. Even for you, doing the equivalent of crucifying someone in a birdcage and letting them die of thirst, hunger, bird attack, infection, blood clot, etc is fucked up.

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          • (Score: 2) by Sulla on Wednesday July 19 2017, @07:30PM (4 children)

            by Sulla (5173) on Wednesday July 19 2017, @07:30PM (#541603) Journal

            How do you mod something "facepalm" or "are you shitting me?"

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            • (Score: 3, Insightful) by PinkyGigglebrain on Wednesday July 19 2017, @09:07PM (3 children)

              by PinkyGigglebrain (4458) on Wednesday July 19 2017, @09:07PM (#541642)

              Sadly in this day and age one can't help but wonder if such comments are indeed the jests we hope they are.

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              • (Score: 2) by Sulla on Wednesday July 19 2017, @09:26PM (1 child)

                by Sulla (5173) on Wednesday July 19 2017, @09:26PM (#541651) Journal

                It is dangerous waters when neither side of the divide can tell if the other is joking or not when it comes to an issues they see as red lines. The right jokes about guns/racism as in the post above, and the left jokes about abortion. These are not things that the other side can accept are jokes, and so assumes they are serious. The only thing that can happen is escalation. Both sides will be offended that they see their jokes being taken seriously, and rather than will stop will double down.

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                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 19 2017, @11:15PM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 19 2017, @11:15PM (#541685)

                  as a moderate, I can tell you that it gives off the vibe of "it's a joke", and that he got the intended effect he desired from posting it.

              • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday July 20 2017, @02:18AM

                by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Thursday July 20 2017, @02:18AM (#541760) Journal

                Given the guy's post history and his transparent daddy issues, I really would not be surprised if he was, at best, "haha only serious" about that. And it wouldn't be the first time I've heard people like that suggest this sort of thing.

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          • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday July 19 2017, @11:16PM (2 children)

            by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday July 19 2017, @11:16PM (#541686) Journal

            Thirst? In this modern age, we can pipe some water into the gibbets. Or, some zero calorie diet soda or something.

            You're just overly sensitive is all.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 20 2017, @01:48AM (1 child)

              by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 20 2017, @01:48AM (#541746)

              You're just overly sensitive is all.

              Lol! I'm going to need to remember that line when I'm being interviewed for a documentary 20 years from now about how the USA became a fascism. The interviewer may ask me if I could sum up what was happening during the late twenty-teens in one sentence. I'll tell them, “The comment said, ‘You're just overly sensitive is all,’ and that was in defense of his proposition of barbaric and medieval punishments.”

              • (Score: 0, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Thursday July 20 2017, @02:24PM

                by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday July 20 2017, @02:24PM (#541913) Journal

                The fascists have queer sounding names like "antifa". You would do well to start shooting them now. 20 years from now, you should have finished them off, and you can give that interviewer a much better answer than "I was overly sensitive!"

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 20 2017, @01:42AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 20 2017, @01:42AM (#541743)

            I just don't understand why you willl not winnning for america you have been promoting fascism since Eisenhower so if you don't like what that actual;ly looks like your a fucking traitor because your a Dulles traitor

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 20 2017, @01:50AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 20 2017, @01:50AM (#541747)

        People that think the great wall of china was built without human death are stupid and if we are going to bury people in the wall we should start with those that have done the most harm wall street and silicon valley, every single on of you scum should be burned alive in public.

    • (Score: 2) by deadstick on Wednesday July 19 2017, @08:03PM (1 child)

      by deadstick (5110) on Wednesday July 19 2017, @08:03PM (#541621)

      since we only see the night side of Earth

      Might want to check on that.

      • (Score: 2) by TheGratefulNet on Thursday July 20 2017, @02:54AM

        by TheGratefulNet (659) on Thursday July 20 2017, @02:54AM (#541772)

        as a matter of fact, its all dark.

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  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by bradley13 on Wednesday July 19 2017, @05:26PM (9 children)

    by bradley13 (3053) on Wednesday July 19 2017, @05:26PM (#541527) Homepage Journal

    In Albuquerque, at least, I have waded across the Rio Grande. So much water is taken out for irrigation that, during the summer at least, there's basically nothing left in the river itself. After another couple hundred miles of arid landscape, there are days you'd be lucky to get your feet wet.

    Granted, if you get heavy rainfall in the mountains, things can change quickly. But during normal times? Sound more like someone told Trump what a wall would cost.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 19 2017, @05:38PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 19 2017, @05:38PM (#541533)

      So we are in agreement then? We shall mine the river.

    • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday July 19 2017, @05:49PM (6 children)

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday July 19 2017, @05:49PM (#541543) Journal

      All the way down in Laredo, kids play in the creek separating the US from Mexico. Most times (that I've seen) the water is only about knee high on elementary school age children. A couple times, I've seen it about waist high. I never ventured to get my feet wet there, figuring the Border Patrol would give me a hard time. I suppose that there are times when the water is considerably higher, but never when I was there.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 19 2017, @07:54PM (3 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 19 2017, @07:54PM (#541615)

        Even without the rivers, small tunnels can easily be dug under the wall. The whole plan is just mind-bogglingly stupid and such an obvious bit of crony corruption.

        • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Wednesday July 19 2017, @08:34PM

          by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday July 19 2017, @08:34PM (#541631) Journal

          The whole plan is just mind-bogglingly stupid

          But it's Trump's big, beautiful wall. The best wall ever.

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        • (Score: 2) by kaszz on Thursday July 20 2017, @01:59AM

          by kaszz (4211) on Thursday July 20 2017, @01:59AM (#541752) Journal

          Put microphones on evenly spaced intervals along the border to detect tunnel building? the East Germans did just that albeit manually.

        • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday July 20 2017, @02:14AM

          by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Thursday July 20 2017, @02:14AM (#541758) Journal

          LOL, yeah, my first reaction was a mental Speedy Gonzalez voice going "We deeg under joor stoopit vall, ese! Vat joo doo naow?!"

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 19 2017, @09:05PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 19 2017, @09:05PM (#541641)

        Maybe what we really need to do is shoot those kids dead. We should have a DMZ just like Best Korea!

        Build that wall!
        Build that wall!
        Build that wall!

        Trump! Trump! Trump!

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 19 2017, @09:56PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 19 2017, @09:56PM (#541657)

          Maybe what we really need to do is shoot those kids dead. We should have a DMZ just like Best Korea!

          Yeah, I'm sure that will truly make America great again. Land of the free, home of the brave, my ass! We've shown our true selves as a bunch of snivelling, celebrity-worshipping cowards.

    • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Wednesday July 19 2017, @07:26PM

      by JoeMerchant (3937) on Wednesday July 19 2017, @07:26PM (#541598)

      Yeah, rivers are seasonal, and even the most "violent and vicious" rivers will have calmer times of low or even no flow, especially now that we're diverting so much river water to irrigate the desert.

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  • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 19 2017, @05:36PM (4 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 19 2017, @05:36PM (#541532)

    Where do I sign up?

    • (Score: 3, Informative) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday July 19 2017, @06:14PM (1 child)

      by DeathMonkey (1380) on Wednesday July 19 2017, @06:14PM (#541558) Journal

      Trump Wall Jobs - Where do I sign up?

      Right here! [soylentnews.org]

      • (Score: 3, Funny) by c0lo on Wednesday July 19 2017, @06:36PM

        by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday July 19 2017, @06:36PM (#541570) Journal

        Oh, wow. 404 of them jobs already opened and the project wasn't even started.

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    • (Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 19 2017, @06:18PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 19 2017, @06:18PM (#541563)

      Trump Wall Jobs [trumpwalljobs.com]

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 25 2017, @07:40PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 25 2017, @07:40PM (#544299)

        Ashley has quite the beard.

  • (Score: 4, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 19 2017, @05:43PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 19 2017, @05:43PM (#541538)

    No, no, no, there IS a wall there, you just aren't sophisticated enough to see it . . .

    • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 19 2017, @09:48PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 19 2017, @09:48PM (#541655)

      And i can sell that wall for a low, low price of 25 million dollars.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 19 2017, @05:50PM (21 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 19 2017, @05:50PM (#541546)

    I'd like for a current or previous Trump supporter to weigh in on how they feel about these changes, how so many promises have been broken and Trump has blatantly flip flopped. For the older generation I'd like to emphasize that admitting when you are wrong is now seen generally seen as a sign of strength. There are still idiots who will try and capitalize on it, but they never go away so ignore them.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 19 2017, @06:16PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 19 2017, @06:16PM (#541561)

      Let me consult Betteridge.

    • (Score: 0, Disagree) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 19 2017, @06:21PM (7 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 19 2017, @06:21PM (#541565)

      STILL better than Hillary would have been

      • (Score: 5, Funny) by LoRdTAW on Wednesday July 19 2017, @06:50PM (6 children)

        by LoRdTAW (3755) on Wednesday July 19 2017, @06:50PM (#541580) Journal

        Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner!
        Trump could nuke his own country and his dying voters will chant "Still better than hillary". Hubris is a bitch.

        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday July 19 2017, @07:02PM (5 children)

          by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Wednesday July 19 2017, @07:02PM (#541586) Journal

          Too bad there's no "-1, Too Dumb To Live" modifier, huh? I've had people say this very same thing to my face, and when I ask them "How Do You Know That? (TM)" the response is usually unrepeatable in professional company...

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 19 2017, @07:46PM (4 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 19 2017, @07:46PM (#541613)

            But but, WW3 was guaranteed from Hillary right? lawl

            I don't think there is anyone anywhere that actually wants to start WW3 who isn't an obvious nutjob. I would argue that Trump is actually more likely to start WW3 with his divisive foreign policy.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 19 2017, @09:10PM (3 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 19 2017, @09:10PM (#541645)

              I need to go in a minute so this will be short. Yes, WW3 started in 2021 under President Clinton.

              However, I have absolutely no confidence that this worldline isn't part of the same Stein's gate. All of the big players are the same. Everything is unfolding in a very similar manner.

              You think POTUS really has any influence over the people who truly ruled this planet until N-day?

              • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday July 20 2017, @02:11AM

                by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Thursday July 20 2017, @02:11AM (#541757) Journal

                So what happens afterwards? How many deaths, for a start, and of what?

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              • (Score: 2) by GreatAuntAnesthesia on Thursday July 20 2017, @09:17AM (1 child)

                by GreatAuntAnesthesia (3275) on Thursday July 20 2017, @09:17AM (#541861) Journal

                I need to go in a minute so this will be short.

                Seems like an odd thing for a time traveller to say.

    • (Score: 2) by Sulla on Wednesday July 19 2017, @07:32PM (9 children)

      by Sulla (5173) on Wednesday July 19 2017, @07:32PM (#541605) Journal

      I voted based on not letting the neo-cons take us into a war with Russia or Iran.

      So far I'm 2 for 2 the things I wanted out of this President.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 19 2017, @07:42PM (5 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 19 2017, @07:42PM (#541611)

        Well, care to weigh in on how he's a total piece of shit for so many reasons? I'm fine with you having a take-away where you wouldn't have changed your vote, but now that reality has set in it would be nice to get some bipartisan criticism of his bullshit. Most liberal types here will tear down Obama, can we get the same intellectual honesty about Trump?

        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Sulla on Wednesday July 19 2017, @08:26PM (4 children)

          by Sulla (5173) on Wednesday July 19 2017, @08:26PM (#541629) Journal

          There are a ton of Dems who think they can throw a "gotcha" with Trump not meeting his campaign promises, but what it comes down to that the Dems refuse to accept is that it really came down to a hatred of Hillary and her "why am I not 50 points ahead" and "50% of 50% are irredeemable deplorables". I don't know anybody who voted for Trump that thought Trump would accomplish anything he said he would do, it all boiled down to Trump being unable to accomplish anything because the establishment hates him and he is less likely to end the world in atomic fire. So what he wanted to accomplish, good or bad, had no help of going through.

          Wall will never happen because the lawmakers like the latino vote and the cheap labor, healthcare wont happen because they take too much money from the lobbies they set up the ACA to protect, coal wont happen to any great extent because the world economy doesn't really want it, on and on. I guess he did stop TTP which is awesome.

          You want bipartisan criticism of his bs? You must have been in a different 2008-2013 than I was. All I heard was that everything wrong that happened wasn't really Obama and that you must be racist for opposing his droning of US citizens without due process.

          As long as we aren't at war with Iran, Trump will always be preferable to Hillary. Deal with it warmonger.

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 19 2017, @09:43PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 19 2017, @09:43PM (#541654)

            That seems like a total waste of a protest vote to me, since I'd vote for a decent third party instead of an evil authoritarian scumbag (and, since it's a protest vote, it doesn't matter if they don't win). Yeah, vote for a so-called anti-establishment guy who then appoints authoritarians and establishment cretins like Jeff Sessions and tons of Goldman Sachs goons into various positions of power. Brilliant!

            Deal with it warmonger.

            Are you accusing the person you're replying to of being a warmonger? What evidence of this do you have?

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 19 2017, @11:46PM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 19 2017, @11:46PM (#541697)

            You must have been in a different 2008-2013 than I was. All I heard was that everything wrong that happened wasn't really Obama and that you must be racist for opposing his droning of US citizens without due process.

            Clearly we did live in different 2008-2013s. I remember a lot of blame and criticism of Obama. Off the top of my head:

            1) He has one of the most secretive administrations in US history
            2) He has fired more cruise missiles than any other Nobel Peace Prize winner in history
            3) "If you like your health insurance plan, you can keep your health insurance plan"
            4) "Why didn't he take advantage of his supermajority and jam through a healthcare plan by ignoring the Republicans entirely, back when he had a chance?"

            I don't remember any substantial mainstream groups accusing a large number of his critics as racists, except when people attacked him on his race. I'm sure it happened in incidental scenarios (350 million is a lot of people), but I don't remember anything major and coordinated, unlike the "Birther" movement of which Trump was a major figurehead.

            Are you sure you aren't mis-remembering history through some bias glasses?

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 20 2017, @01:54AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 20 2017, @01:54AM (#541749)

              Are you sure you aren't mis-remembering history through some bias glasses?

              You'll have to be gentle with Trumpers. They have very thin skin, and they need to go to a safe space with guns and videos of their out-groups being humiliated or tortured at least once per day.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 20 2017, @04:00PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 20 2017, @04:00PM (#541954)

            There are a ton of Dems who think they can throw a "gotcha" with Trump not meeting his campaign promises, but what it comes down to that the Dems refuse to accept is that it really came down to a hatred of Hillary and her "why am I not 50 points ahead" and "50% of 50% are irredeemable deplorables".

            Not to put too fine a point on this, but there were more than two candidates for President on my ballot. I would bet dollars to donuts that there were more than two on your ballot as well. You didn't just vote against Hillary; you made a concious choice to vote for Trump instead. Suggesting otherwise is just plain disingenuous.

            I don't know anybody who voted for Trump that thought Trump would accomplish anything he said he would do, it all boiled down to Trump being unable to accomplish anything because the establishment hates him and he is less likely to end the world in atomic fire. So what he wanted to accomplish, good or bad, had no help of going through.

            So you and all your Trump-voting buddies chose him specifically because he was too incompetent to accomplish much of anything? I think this has to be the first time in my life that I have seen something like that happen. Clearly, we have entered a brave new world in American politics.

            I guess he did stop TTP which is awesome....

            I would point out that Jill Stein was also against TPP.

            ...As long as we aren't at war with Iran, Trump will always be preferable to Hillary.

            And Jill Stein was also in favour of the Iran nuclear deal. So tell us, why did you decide not to vote for her? Could it possibly be that you really do like Trump in all of his ghastly odiousness? Your insistence that you voted for Trump as a protest against Hillary just doesn't ring true with me.

      • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Thexalon on Wednesday July 19 2017, @09:31PM (1 child)

        by Thexalon (636) on Wednesday July 19 2017, @09:31PM (#541652)

        I voted based on not letting the neo-cons take us into a war with Russia or Iran.

        I got a bit confused about that. Hillary Clinton and her team are neo-libs, not neo-cons. The difference:
        - Neo-liberals want to protect the social rights of women and minorities and LGBT people while treating poor people terribly and selling off economic policy to the highest bidder and trying to take over the world militarily.
        - Neo-conservatives want to allow oppression of women and minorities and LGBT people while treating poor people terribly and selling off economic policy to the highest bidder and trying to take over the world militarily.

        Now, I can see how you can fairly easily confuse them, but let's be precise in our terminology.

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 20 2017, @01:38PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 20 2017, @01:38PM (#541900)

          Despite any claims to the contrary, neo-liberal policy leads to what we see in ISIS territory.

          We can see it starting in London, now with about 8 acid attacks per week. Immigrants bring cultural diversity, yes, including sadistic harm to women.

          We can see it starting with female genital mutilation in the USA, with the investigation now in at least 5 states.

          We can see it starting against LGBT, such as last year when the child of an unassimilated immigrant (like all with multiculturalism) killed dozens of LGBT in Orlando.

      • (Score: 4, Informative) by n1 on Wednesday July 19 2017, @11:05PM

        by n1 (993) on Wednesday July 19 2017, @11:05PM (#541683) Journal

        Well the Defense Secretary seems to have a different agenda on Iran.

        One option was a dead-of-night U.S. strike against an Iranian power plant or oil refinery, said the officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive operations.

        “You could let them know that we have rockets, too,” one senior U.S. official said of the options forwarded by Mattis to Washington.

        https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/as-a-general-mattis-urged-action-against-iran-as-a-defense-secretary-he-may-be-a-voice-of-caution/2017/01/08/5a196ade-d391-11e6-a783-cd3fa950f2fd_story.html [washingtonpost.com]

        last month in London Mattis recalled a statement he made in 2012 in which he stated that the three gravest threats to American national security were “Iran, Iran, Iran,”

        http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Politics-And-Diplomacy/US-defense-chief-Mattis-to-make-first-official-Israel-visit-Friday-488425 [jpost.com]

        Mattis linked Iran to the rise of ISIS. “I consider ISIS nothing more than an excuse for Iran to continue its mischief,” he said. “Iran is not an enemy of ISIS; they have a lot to gain from the turmoil that ISIS creates.”

        http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/12/james-mattis-iran-secretary-of-defense-214500 [politico.com]

        It's also hard to take your 'warmonger' labels on others seriously when the president ran a campaign on "bomb the shit out of them" slogan and rebuilding the world's biggest and most advanced military into a bigger and even more advanced military, and has since gone on to live up to that goal.

        The US-led coalition has admitted killing at least 484 civilians in air strikes in Syria and Iraq amid concern over potential war crimes in the battle to drive Isis out of Mosul. [...] In a monthly report, CentCom said investigations finished into 16 incidents that resulted in 132 “unintentional civilian deaths”, bringing the total to 484.

        http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/isis-syria-iraq-air-strikes-civilians-killed-injured-casualties-children-mosul-offensive-latest-war-a7771146.html [independent.co.uk]

        The U.S. government passed the National Defense Authorization Act Friday, setting a record of US$696 billion in military spending, more than President Donald Trump asked for.

        http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/US-House-Passes-Record-Military-Budget-More-Than-Trump-Request-20170716-0007.html [telesurtv.net]

        In his first six months in office, President Donald Trump has overseen a steady transfer of power from the White House to the Pentagon, [...] Trump's most significant step in this direction came earlier this month when he empowered Defense Secretary James Mattis, a recently retired four-star general, to set troop levels in Afghanistan.

        http://edition.cnn.com/2017/06/24/politics/trump-pentagon-shift-war-power-military/index.html [cnn.com]

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 19 2017, @08:05PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 19 2017, @08:05PM (#541622)

      This is the first major item that is significantly chopped back. Still, it's only a partial loss, and that is far better what Hillary would have done. She wouldn't even be willing to install lawn edging or police tape.

      There are some items that are delayed. They might not happen, but there is still time. The prime example is putting Hillary in prison. Yes, we're 100% serious about that. If I'd done even 1% of the shit she did, I'd be serving decades in federal prison. Among other things, rule of law means that people named "Clinton" shouldn't be exempt from justice.

    • (Score: 2) by jmorris on Thursday July 20 2017, @04:36AM

      by jmorris (4844) on Thursday July 20 2017, @04:36AM (#541799)

      We. Don't. Care.

      We know things you pretend you don't.

      1. Trump is often trolling. So when he says something odd we simply assume he is trolling again.

      2. Trump is operating with every hand in D.C. against him. Crafty and indirect is the only possible path to success.

      3. Trump's instincts are better than most people's carefully laid plans. When we see him do something that we do not understand we have learned to wait, and more often than not realize he was right when the dust settles.

      4. We know Trump understands how pissed off we are, that we remember he made certain promises and we expect the Deal Maker to keep his word. By hook or by crook, the wall has to be built or he needs to accomplish something else that is truly awesome to offset that to avoid being a one term wonder. A sad loser hated by everyone. We trust Trump's Ego to avoid that fate at all cost.

      5. And the big one. We are still pretty sure that Trump does not hate us. Obama did. To be honest, Bill Clinton probably doesn't either but his bitch does. And every minion she would have brought into government with her does. So even if Trump accomplishes nothing of note, at least we won't have spent the entire time trying to blunt the damage Clinton would have been busily inflicting upon us.

      Remember your RAH. Don't have the exact quote handy but something on the order of "I'll vote for a dunderhead of my own Party over a genius of the opposing Party. For if subject to party discipline the dunderhead can cast a vote while the genius has already pledged to do everything I oppose and is smart enough to have a good chance of success."

  • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Wednesday July 19 2017, @10:42PM

    by Gaaark (41) on Wednesday July 19 2017, @10:42PM (#541667) Journal

    Invisible?

    He could just say it's already there, it's just invisible.

    The emperor's new wall: everyone VERY impressed!

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  • (Score: 2) by Lagg on Wednesday July 19 2017, @11:50PM

    by Lagg (105) on Wednesday July 19 2017, @11:50PM (#541698) Homepage Journal

    Fox is at least capable of providing a transcript that is truthful even if they're whores to manipulation by omission like the other so-called "fake news". This certainly makes them more tolerable than the blatancy of what I now consider their incest-sister site of RT. Which is pathetic. So I didn't quite start bleeding out of my ears upon reading this. Until it became clear that a big chunk of the event log was dedicated to this guy's retard obsession with food. I have no doubt whatsoever he asked for ketcup and deer meat like illegal subsistence hunters I know. They also like putting ketchup on steak. But they're not stupid and lazy and don't go out thinking it's fancy.

    Also, even people I know that think those manchildren that run down dem wetbacks in a pickup truck are any sort of role model to aspire to think the "transparent" idea is dumb. And don't even know what he's talking about with "vicious rivers". They do exist in this chunk of the US I believe but I've never heard of someone dragged away by current. "Vicious" appears to have a baseline of the moderate and easy for adults to cross rapids like those of Oak Creek (or was it Red Rock Crossing? Been so long). Nevertheless, it remains pointless to talk to them critically because the delusion of a non-man justifying their aimless anger is still stronger than logic until it affects them personally.

    Anyway, it would appear that this log is the same day he made a creepy comment towards President Frenchman's wife. Same day he made bizarre comments about Trump Junior. Same day he probably made any other myriad of stupid comments and remarks such as

    Trump instead said that Paris "is going to be just fine" mostly because France now has "a great" and "tough" president. Trump then joked to Macron that Macron better not him look bad

    Now, to those who are french I apologize for the generalization. But in my TINY sample set of french friends and people who are french that I've met. If you bullshit like this they think it's weird. I've said "please" to a french guy for a light just as part of normal murikan etiquette/smalltalk and he said "I didn't need to beg". It wasn't a mean remark or anything either. Just them reacting to etiquette they weren't used to. That's fine.

    I would like to see a frenchman's own impressions of Trump and how they would feel if people made comments like this to them. If I didn't cringe so hard at Trump's mental degeneration every time I saw him in live action I'd watch the video to see how Macron reacted himself. Don't know, something strikes me as mildly amusing for a frenchman to be spoken to in this way. Especially feel free to chime in if you're parisian :D

    P.S. I'm going to forever be ignorant of non-murika, yet I guarantee I put more thought into this remark in 6 seconds than Trump has language and expression in general.

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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by arslan on Thursday July 20 2017, @12:53AM

    by arslan (3462) on Thursday July 20 2017, @12:53AM (#541715)

    Ummm... I'm under the impression this is just part of the Don's regular troll the media and haters routine... is it not?

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