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posted by martyb on Friday August 04 2017, @03:26AM   Printer-friendly
from the found-somebody-tougher dept.

Common Dreams reports

Joe Arpaio—the former sheriff from Maricopa County, Arizona, who famously ordained himself "America's toughest sheriff"—was found guilty of criminal contempt for violating a federal court order mandating that Arpaio and his deputies refrain from racially profiling Latinos with traffic stops and detentions, based on suspicions about their immigration status.

U.S. District Judge Susan Bolton said [July 31] that Arpaio demonstrated a "flagrant disregard" for the order, rejecting[1] the former sheriff's defense that the order was unclear and the violations unintentional. Arpaio, who is 85, could face up to six months in jail, and is scheduled to be sentenced Oct. 5.

[...] Arpaio's attorney said [July 31] he plans to appeal Judge Bolton's ruling in hopes of receiving a trial by jury. The [former] sheriff was denied a jury trial in May because it was not legally required, due to the short length of his potential jail term.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 04 2017, @03:32AM (7 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 04 2017, @03:32AM (#548589)

    Basically, the fucka pissed off the judges. The clown show will go onto appeal.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 04 2017, @03:38AM (6 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 04 2017, @03:38AM (#548593)

      Judge Roy Dredd Bean, the law west of the Pecos! (best Sly Stallone voice), "I didn't break the law, I am the law!" This is why we never should have let in all those Italian immigrants. Or the Germans. Or the Poles. Or the English.

      • (Score: 4, Funny) by JNCF on Friday August 04 2017, @03:55AM (5 children)

        by JNCF (4317) on Friday August 04 2017, @03:55AM (#548605) Journal

        We should have built a wall on the Bering Strait before all of those illegal immigrants came over.

        • (Score: 2) by driverless on Friday August 04 2017, @10:53AM (4 children)

          by driverless (4770) on Friday August 04 2017, @10:53AM (#548676)

          There are Mexicans in Russia?

          • (Score: 2) by kaszz on Friday August 04 2017, @11:23AM (3 children)

            by kaszz (4211) on Friday August 04 2017, @11:23AM (#548685) Journal

            No, Indians in America.

            (question is then.. where did the South Americans come from?)

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 04 2017, @03:55PM (1 child)

              by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 04 2017, @03:55PM (#548770)

              Indians in America

              That's why we need to get rid of the H1B program!
              Wait, maybe I'm missing something.

              • (Score: 2) by kaszz on Saturday August 05 2017, @12:57AM

                by kaszz (4211) on Saturday August 05 2017, @12:57AM (#548950) Journal

                Maybe Tata has built a time machine? However due to limited competence it only stretched 30 000 years back. But the H-1B program was a success they say ;-)

            • (Score: 2) by mcgrew on Friday August 04 2017, @09:38PM

              by mcgrew (701) <publish@mcgrewbooks.com> on Friday August 04 2017, @09:38PM (#548877) Homepage Journal

              North America, after they migrated there from Asia.

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  • (Score: 4, Interesting) by Mykl on Friday August 04 2017, @03:45AM (37 children)

    by Mykl (1112) on Friday August 04 2017, @03:45AM (#548599)

    I can't wait for Joe's thoughts on his current prison policies to "evolve" once he has to actually undergo them himself. That is, assuming he survives the experience.

    • (Score: 2, Interesting) by TheGratefulNet on Friday August 04 2017, @04:27AM (36 children)

      by TheGratefulNet (659) on Friday August 04 2017, @04:27AM (#548616)

      here's hoping he's raped in prison.

      I can't tolerate those who abuse their position while under color of law.

      guy should be thrown in jail for the rest of his god damned life.

      that goes for anyone in high authority who fucks with regular folk for the lolz of it. those guys should get 10x the punishment that regulars get.

      if that isn't done, then they continue to be embolded and laugh at the laws, you and I have to follow.

      fuck him. let him be bubba's bitch in prison.

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      • (Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 04 2017, @04:36AM (33 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 04 2017, @04:36AM (#548617)

        How dare this animal actually try to prevent people from breaking the law! It's unconscionable!

        • (Score: 5, Informative) by edIII on Friday August 04 2017, @04:58AM (24 children)

          by edIII (791) on Friday August 04 2017, @04:58AM (#548621)

          Oh, that's not the issue. Spoken like somebody that hasn't lived underneath his rule. He's famous for giving the prisoners just enough the survive, which meant no a/c and and outside camp with tents. This in Phoenix, where no joke, weather people described it like "hell on earth" and "literally unlivable".

          I'm all for catching lawbreakers that need to be in jail, but not to flat out torture their asses. Nobody deserves to be trapped out in the open with just some canvas walls between you and 120 degrees. A swamp cooler run off some inmates on a bike could cool it off, and even the poorest people know places to go. Homeless people can find shelters to get away from it. One of his prisoners? Hotbox 24/7/365.

          That man is proud of how hard he has made it on prisoners. We haven't even got to his purported corruption and associated shenanigans.

          No amount of cigarettes, cell phones, or other jailhouse favors will keep this man's butthole safe.

          "Justice cometh, and it cometh right soon" -- The Shawshank Redemption

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          • (Score: 4, Informative) by julian on Friday August 04 2017, @05:46AM (19 children)

            by julian (6003) Subscriber Badge on Friday August 04 2017, @05:46AM (#548626)

            You've discovered that at the heart of every conservative is a murderous sociopath yearning for the slightest excuse to slake their bloodlust in a socially acceptable way.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 04 2017, @05:53AM (5 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 04 2017, @05:53AM (#548628)

              So how many innocent husbands and honest men accused of rape by ex went to jail because of conservatives as they sure weren't the ones passing law to punish male students and making valid evidence inadmissible?

              Behind every power hungry mob is a murderous sociopath and a bunch of fucking idiots who would rather turn blind eye that do something about their own ilk.

              • (Score: 2) by julian on Friday August 04 2017, @06:06AM (4 children)

                by julian (6003) Subscriber Badge on Friday August 04 2017, @06:06AM (#548630)

                Not all sociopaths are necessarily conservatives.

                • (Score: 4, Insightful) by aristarchus on Friday August 04 2017, @07:38AM (3 children)

                  by aristarchus (2645) on Friday August 04 2017, @07:38AM (#548641) Journal

                  Not all sociopaths are necessarily conservatives.

                  But, all conservatives are necessarily sociopaths!

                  Confero: John Stuart Mill:

                  I did not mean that Conservatives are generally stupid; I meant, that stupid persons are generally Conservative. I believe that to be so obvious and undeniable a fact that I hardly think any hon. Gentleman will question it.

                    Wikiquote! https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/John_Stuart_Mill [wikiquote.org]

                  Set theory strikes again, against stupid sociopaths, who cannot distinguish between the statements "All dogs are mammals" and "All mammals are dogs." "Not all that glitters is gold", but "all that is gold doth glitter!" Yes, we could do this all day, but it is much like teasing a cat with a laser pointer. Let us not tease conservatives, instead, let us pity them and attempt to educate them. They would not do the same for us.

                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 04 2017, @01:23PM (2 children)

                    by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 04 2017, @01:23PM (#548711)

                    I used to be against capital punishment, but there is only one way to cure a socio/psychopath. You have to kill them. Education will have no effect, and drugs only a temporary one. Death is the only way to be sure. But unfortunately our society is doing exactly the opposite and giving them rewards of the highest kind. This will make it a dominant trait in our species, if it isn't already.

                    • (Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Friday August 04 2017, @02:51PM

                      by Grishnakh (2831) on Friday August 04 2017, @02:51PM (#548738)

                      You don't have to kill anyone; you can just lock them up for the rest of their lives. The cost isn't any higher; capital punishments are enormously expensive in this country, and have been found to kill innocent people too.

                      You're right about our society richly rewarding sociopaths though. But I don't think this is anything new, but maybe it's worse now because of democratization (i.e., in the past the richest and most powerful people simply inherited their position usually, unless they were a conqueror; these days, anyone sufficiently skilled can rise up in society and wealth, which is much easier for smart sociopaths).

                    • (Score: 2) by vux984 on Saturday August 05 2017, @12:10AM

                      by vux984 (5045) on Saturday August 05 2017, @12:10AM (#548936)

                      I used to be against capital punishment, but there is only one way to cure a socio/psychopath. You have to kill them.

                      The trouble with capital punishment has never been that some people don't deserve to die, the trouble has always been that innocent people get killed. Better to lock up the convicts rather than risk killing someone wrongly convicted.

            • (Score: 4, Informative) by FatPhil on Friday August 04 2017, @07:32AM (12 children)

              by FatPhil (863) <pc-soylentNO@SPAMasdf.fi> on Friday August 04 2017, @07:32AM (#548639) Homepage
              Don't stop with the abstract word "conservative" - feel free to decorate it with some concrete affiliations - the man was a Republican and a Catholic.
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              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 04 2017, @07:56AM (11 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 04 2017, @07:56AM (#548646)

                Hmm, I am starting to wonder about the whole Catholic and conservative thing. Do you know how many US Supreme Court Justices are Catholic? Do you know that Newt "Stupid person's idea of a smart person" Gingrinch converted to Catholocism after his fourth divorce and remarriage? The Polish government that keeps trying to take rights away from people, Catholic. Peter Theil, wannabe Catholic, of the Girardian persuasion, who hangs with a bunch of gay priests.

                And this follows the purge of Liberation Theology under John Paul II (Polish) and Pope Ratz (German Hitler youth). Everyone should go see the very nice movie about the Catholic conspiracy to reconquer England. What was its title? Brotherhood of the Wolf? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0237534/ [imdb.com] Or something about Musketeers, remade many, many times. And all this without going Opus Dei or Franco.

                Remember, Abstinence Makes the Church Grow Fondlers!

                • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Friday August 04 2017, @12:00PM (10 children)

                  by Phoenix666 (552) on Friday August 04 2017, @12:00PM (#548692) Journal

                  The new pope seems like a decent guy. Immediately after he was elected pope he hopped in a taxi to go back to his hotel to pay the bill.

                  Then again I'm married to a Catholic so you might be on to something there.

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                  Washington DC delenda est.
                  • (Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Friday August 04 2017, @02:56PM (7 children)

                    by Grishnakh (2831) on Friday August 04 2017, @02:56PM (#548739)

                    I don't mean to be insulting, but why would any male non-Catholic, unless he has fairly similar views, marry a Catholic woman? Anytime I've been on the dating market, I've steered well clear of any woman who had that word in her profile. True Catholics don't believe in birth control (it's a central tenet in their religion), so either you're not going to get any until you get married, or you'll wind up getting her pregnant. And after marriage, your sex life will be terrible too because of this, or you're going to have a zillion kids and be broke and stressed out. Of course, lots of Catholics don't follow this, but then they're just hypocrites of the worst kind.

                    For reference, I was raised in the Catholic church, so I know full well what I'm talking about. I GTFO when I hit college when I realized I didn't agree with the teachings.

                    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 04 2017, @04:09PM

                      by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 04 2017, @04:09PM (#548775)

                      it's a central tenet in their religion

                      I don't know if I'd say central. Pre-marital sex seems to be a "worse" sin and abortion would be much worse (possibly a "mortal sin").

                      they're just hypocrites of the worst kind

                      That's going a little far. The pope is supposedly infallible, but church policy has changed over time. Stopping conception may be one of those types of policies that get reversed.

                    • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Friday August 04 2017, @04:13PM (3 children)

                      by Phoenix666 (552) on Friday August 04 2017, @04:13PM (#548776) Journal

                      I was joking before, but her faith is titular, not personal. It's part of her identity as a Korean Catholic, nothing more. She's never been to mass in the 20 years I've known her. In fact she's gone to Buddhist temples and lots of times to my Presbyterian church, but never mass. She doesn't even have a rosary. And, for me the most significant, she doesn't live according to guilt.

                      So I guess the take-away is you can't always judge a book by its cover.

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                      • (Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Friday August 04 2017, @04:37PM (2 children)

                        by Grishnakh (2831) on Friday August 04 2017, @04:37PM (#548787)

                        So I guess the take-away is you can't always judge a book by its cover.

                        Maybe, but then you need to ask, "why does this sci-fi book have the cover of some Victorian romance novel on it?".

                        I was joking before, but her faith is titular, not personal. It's part of her identity as a Korean Catholic, nothing more. She's never been to mass in the 20 years I've known her.

                        So, she really isn't Catholic. I'm sorry, but Catholicism is not like Judaism; you can't be an "ethnic Catholic" like you can be an ethnic Jew (someone with Jewish ancestry but who doesn't follow the religion). If you don't believe the theology, don't attend the services, or even follow an entirely different religion, then you're not Catholic, plain and simple. Calling yourself such just makes no sense. Personally, as an ex-Catholic, I'd be insulted if someone insisted on calling me Catholic.

                        In fact she's gone to Buddhist temples and lots of times to my Presbyterian church

                        It sounds like you're Presbyterian (since you seem to have a church you regularly attend). If you suddenly decided you didn't like Presbyterianism and instead went to Lutheran churches and did that for 20 years, would you continue to call yourself Presbyterian?

                        So I guess the take-away is you can't always judge a book by its cover.

                        Then don't misrepresent yourself. Religion isn't an ethnicity; it's not something you're born with, though it is something you're indoctrinated into from an early age. The only exception I'm aware of is Judaism, where the term "Jewish" can refer to both an ethnicity and a religion. You won't hear any ex-Mormons calling themselves "Mormon", nor will you hear any ex-Lutherans calling themselves "Lutheran". There's no reason to do it for Catholicism. If you don't want to be associated with all the things that come along with that religion (guilt, anti-contraception, etc.), then don't refer to yourself with that term. It's not like the Vatican is going to send the Swiss Guard to come chop off your head if you leave the religion.

                        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 04 2017, @05:56PM

                          by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 04 2017, @05:56PM (#548810)

                          If you don't believe the theology [...] then you're not Catholic, plain and simple.

                          That is the main part that matters.

                          There are many non-devout Catholics ("Lapsed Catholics").

                          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lapsed_Catholic [wikipedia.org]

                        • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Friday August 04 2017, @11:25PM

                          by Phoenix666 (552) on Friday August 04 2017, @11:25PM (#548921) Journal

                          So, she really isn't Catholic. I'm sorry, but Catholicism is not like Judaism; you can't be an "ethnic Catholic" like you can be an ethnic Jew (someone with Jewish ancestry but who doesn't follow the religion).

                          Well, yes you can. For her it is an "ethnic Catholicism." Korean Catholics are a small minority in Korea. They have their own identity.

                          Maybe you don't have experience with such a thing, but perhaps that means there are things outside the limits of your experience such as this, that are nevertheless true.

                          It sounds like you're Presbyterian (since you seem to have a church you regularly attend). If you suddenly decided you didn't like Presbyterianism and instead went to Lutheran churches and did that for 20 years, would you continue to call yourself Presbyterian?

                          I am Presbyterian because I identify as such, far more than where I actually go to church (though I do attend a Presbyterian church now). When I was a kid, however, my family went through periods of attending Lutheran churches, then Episcopalian, then Assemblies of God, but I always identified as Presbyterian. I never considered myself Lutheran or what-not. So the deterministic view of religion as practice quite obviates the significant dimension of religion as identity.

                          It's clear that you have strong views on Catholicism and what does or does not constitute one, but it appertains only to you. It's not your call to make how somebody else identifies their own faith, and there's no real basis for you or me to adjudicate on that.

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                          Washington DC delenda est.
                    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 04 2017, @09:00PM (1 child)

                      by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 04 2017, @09:00PM (#548863)

                      She is hard-core, so no birth control. I got a real Catholic.

                      I'm pretty much an atheist. I was raised by a Catholic, and tried to be Catholic especially when dating, but I just can't believe in nonsense. At least Catholicism isn't the worst of it; Pope John Paul II said it was OK to accept evolution. I tend to like Catholic family values and culture, but not the socialism and the recent failure to protect/expand western society.

                      We went the "wind up getting her pregnant" and "have a zillion kids and be broke" route. I just had my 11th, and I'll probably get a few more. My sex life is great. I never need to worry about an STD. I never have to fuss with birth control. She goes crazy for sex when she ovulates.

                      As an atheist, I simply accept that reproduction is the meaning of life. This is what evolution requires of me. In the battle for survival of the fittest, I'm winning bigly.

                      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 04 2017, @10:04PM

                        by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 04 2017, @10:04PM (#548884)

                        As an atheist, I simply accept that reproduction is the meaning of life. This is what evolution requires of me.

                        Accepting "reproduction is the meaning of life" has nothing to do with being atheist. Atheism is simply a lack of belief in deities.

                        Since evolution has no consciousness, evolution cannot "require" anything of you.

                  • (Score: 1) by Ethanol-fueled on Saturday August 05 2017, @12:06AM (1 child)

                    by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Saturday August 05 2017, @12:06AM (#548934) Homepage

                    Yeesh. I'm sorry, man. Dating Catholics was bad enough, especially the daughter of a Teamsters lawyer. Mexican Catholics are a little looser.

                    Sadomasochism, control, and guilt-issues up the ass.

                    The one good thing I'll say about Catholics, though, is that they are capable of interacting with degenerates without judgement and they enjoy the drink. I guess the latter is getting to legally drink the blood of Christ as children.

                    • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Saturday August 05 2017, @12:35PM

                      by Phoenix666 (552) on Saturday August 05 2017, @12:35PM (#549091) Journal

                      they are capable of interacting with degenerates without judgement

                      So that's why my wife stays with me.

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                      Washington DC delenda est.
          • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 04 2017, @08:43AM (3 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 04 2017, @08:43AM (#548652)

            Only two things should be of concern:

            1. the "purported corruption and associated shenanigans", and yeah we haven't gotten to it WTF (no evidence? maybe fake?)

            2. AFAIK the pre-trial non-convicted people were not exempt from harsh treatment

            If not for the above, I would really like the guy. He is supposed to make lawbreaking an undesirable occupation. He is supposed to do his part in preventing illegal aliens from being here. He is supposed to do all that cheaply.

            • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Friday August 04 2017, @05:20PM (1 child)

              by DeathMonkey (1380) on Friday August 04 2017, @05:20PM (#548804) Journal

              1. the "purported corruption and associated shenanigans", and yeah we haven't gotten to it WTF (no evidence? maybe fake?)

              How about his own freaking words?!? He blatantly stated, in public, that he was aware of the order and that he wasn't going to follow it. He then proceeded to not follow it.

              FTA:
              "Former Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s own words were the linchpin in the case against him, his quotes cited more than 20 times in a federal judge's ruling that found him guilty of criminal contempt of court."

              “Credible testimony shows that the Defendant knew of the order and what the order meant in regards to the MCSO’s policy of detaining persons who did not have state charges for turnover to ICE for civil immigration violations,” the ruling read.

              “Despite this knowledge, (the) Defendant broadcast to the world and to his subordinates that he would and they should continue ‘what he had always been doing.’”

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 04 2017, @09:25PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 04 2017, @09:25PM (#548869)

                No, not that. Blowing off a federal judge's probably unconstitutional order is no big deal. Actually, I approve.

                By "purported corruption and associated shenanigans" we refer to him possibly getting his political opponents harassed by the cops. That, if true, would be pretty damn bad. It would be as bad as Obama wiretapping Trump Tower.

                Maybe he does belong in prison. If so, he should go there after being convicted of the correct charges. Just for fun, make him share a cell with Obama. They are compatible: both famous, did nearly the same thing, both kind of old, etc.

            • (Score: 2) by urza9814 on Monday August 07 2017, @05:29PM

              by urza9814 (3954) on Monday August 07 2017, @05:29PM (#550061) Journal

              He is supposed to do his part in preventing illegal aliens from being here.

              That's REALLY not the job of a local sheriff. It's the job of the border patrol and of ICE.

              He is supposed to make lawbreaking an undesirable occupation....He is supposed to do all that cheaply.

              Thankfully, people like you did not write our Constitution, and "saving money" is not the primary responsibility of the government. Treating prisoners with some basic level of decency is, however. If you have such a problem with the principles upon which this nation was founded, maybe you should try living elsewhere...

        • (Score: 5, Insightful) by aristarchus on Friday August 04 2017, @05:46AM (6 children)

          by aristarchus (2645) on Friday August 04 2017, @05:46AM (#548625) Journal

          We had to break the law in order to stop others from breaking the law, so it's totally legit. My Gawd some Soylentils are backbirthed ignoramouses! If you break the law in order to enforce the law, there is no law. There is only power. All hail Joe, King of Maricopa! Except he is going to jail. Force majeure, mfer.

          Oh, as an aside for the racist basterd white scum that might support this bastard (Looking at you, Republican Party of Arizona!), America is founded on the rule of law. LEOs are, wait for it, Law Enforcement Officers, which means they do not make the law, they only enforce it, and if they cross the line, they are worse criminals than those they claim they have to stop.

          For example, after the LA riots, and the whole corruption with white supremacists in the LAPD, there was found on a wall in South LA, a bit of grafitti. It read: "LAPD Rules!". Arguably true, but this suggests that the LAPD is just the best funded and armed gang in LA, which of course means that they could be replaced! Cops should be more than the best armed criminals, seriously.

          • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Phoenix666 on Friday August 04 2017, @12:04PM (5 children)

            by Phoenix666 (552) on Friday August 04 2017, @12:04PM (#548693) Journal

            Aristarchus, my friend, you're kind of years behind the times. America tortures people now and cops are allowed to murder people summarily without consequence. It's butch that way, you see. It shows all the bad guys (for some value of "bad") that we're tough and mean business. Freedom, rights, and the rule of law are for pussies.

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            Washington DC delenda est.
            • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Friday August 04 2017, @04:31PM (4 children)

              by aristarchus (2645) on Friday August 04 2017, @04:31PM (#548782) Journal

              Seen it all before. There was that time when the God-Emperor Nero gave that speech to the Centurions, and said that they did not have to be so careful when they had apprehended some Christian or other criminal and were putting them into the chariot. He said, “I said, you can take the hand away, okay?” Rome burned soon after that.

              • (Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Friday August 04 2017, @04:42PM (3 children)

                by Grishnakh (2831) on Friday August 04 2017, @04:42PM (#548790)

                Rome continued for some time after adopting Christianity, but it decayed and fell. It's pretty obvious that Christianity was part of the undoing of Rome and the ensuing Dark Ages. They should have stuck with the Pagan gods.

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 04 2017, @07:33PM (1 child)

                  by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 04 2017, @07:33PM (#548840)

                  It's pretty obvious that Christianity was part of the undoing of Rome

                  Reference?
                  I'd be interested in learning about specifics if it is known.

                  • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Sunday August 06 2017, @11:56AM

                    by aristarchus (2645) on Sunday August 06 2017, @11:56AM (#549463) Journal

                    Just read Augustine's "City of God, and City of Man", usually truncated to the first phrase. He was explicitly trying to rebut the claim that Christianity was responsible for the fall of Rome, and more particularly the sack of Rome by Alaric the Goth in 410 A.D. I am not so sure he was right.

                    (And, of course, our little nazi contributor suggesting it has something to do with "multiculturalism" only exposes his near total ignorance of Roman history. You see, the "third" reich was supposedly base on some two before that, but since it was composed entirely of stupid white (German) people, it did not even last a decade, let alone two millennium. Sad Teutons, pathetic white people.)

                • (Score: 1) by Ethanol-fueled on Saturday August 05 2017, @12:07AM

                  by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Saturday August 05 2017, @12:07AM (#548935) Homepage

                  Rome fell because of multiculturalism. Let this be a lesson to not only modern-day Europe, but also America.

        • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Friday August 04 2017, @05:56PM

          by DeathMonkey (1380) on Friday August 04 2017, @05:56PM (#548811) Journal

          How dare this animal actually try to prevent people from breaking the law! It's unconscionable!

          There's one person whose lawbreaking he could have definitely stopped: his own.

      • (Score: 4, Insightful) by FakeBeldin on Friday August 04 2017, @12:54PM (1 child)

        by FakeBeldin (3360) on Friday August 04 2017, @12:54PM (#548701) Journal

        here's hoping he's raped in prison.

        Don't be despicable. Rape is not something to hope for, ever.

        • (Score: 2) by etherscythe on Friday August 04 2017, @02:58PM

          by etherscythe (937) on Friday August 04 2017, @02:58PM (#548741) Journal

          Then let us perhaps hope that he has the "full experience" that he has provided to so many others. If that happens to be a part of it... perhaps it could be a wake up call that such things should NOT be allowed among the general prison population, just because they've been convicted of something. I mean, it's only fair he has to live in the same conditions as the other convicts. But my guess is he's going to a minimum-security facility with real amenities, and gets to watch Cops all day in front of a working A/C unit. Those triple-max tent gulags on Crematoria are for the "real monsters", amirite?

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          "Fake News: anything reported outside of my own personally chosen echo chamber"
  • (Score: 5, Interesting) by captain normal on Friday August 04 2017, @03:47AM

    by captain normal (2205) on Friday August 04 2017, @03:47AM (#548602)

    Will he have to wear pink and work on the chain gang like he made prisoners do?

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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by bradley13 on Friday August 04 2017, @06:28AM (12 children)

    by bradley13 (3053) on Friday August 04 2017, @06:28AM (#548631) Homepage Journal

    "...allegations that critics have made for years that Arpaio's officers violate the constitutional rights of Latinos by relying on race in their immigration enforcement

    So, you're in Arizona, which is on the Mexican border, which is the border used for illegal immigration from Central and South America. You're trying to identify illegal aliens, and you not supposed to assume that they are hispanic? WTF?

    Granted, you should attempt to identify illegals based on more than just being hispanic. However, it is simply a fact that nearly all illegal aliens in Arizona are hispanic. If you see a business employing 20 non-hispanics, there's no point wasting your time checking immigration status. The same business with 20 hispanics, especially low-skill jobs like construction? That's a likely place to look.

    Does this mean that US citizens with hispanic ancestry will also get checked? Almost certainly. Life is unfair, news at 11:00.

    It's no different from TSA in the airports: If they spend their time searching grannies and little kids, studiously not emphasizing young middle-eastern males, then they're not doing their jobs. That's one of many reasons that the TSA is such a joke.

    Another example: read the articles about the BART passengers robbed by a flash-mob of 60 youths. [eastbaytimes.com] The press is so careful never to mention the race of the youths, even refusing to link to the security video of the incident. Anyone with a working brain knows - from the circumstances, from the neighborhood - that the kids are black. If the police start investigating all the Asians kids in California, they aren't doing their job.

    tl;dr: Profiling has a purpose. Arpaio was just more honest about it than most.

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    Everyone is somebody else's weirdo.
    • (Score: 5, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 04 2017, @07:22AM (3 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 04 2017, @07:22AM (#548636)

      1 of of ever 4 people in Arizona is Hispanic. [infoplease.com]
      If you're rousting 25 percent of the population on an ongoing basis, you're an asshole.

      ...and, if you're a local yokel, doing that with LOCAL taxpayers' money, you're not doing your job.
      Border enforcement is the feds' job and it's paid for with federal taxes.

      .
      Joe also put his name on everything he touched (promotional materials).
      Most of that stuff was paid for with local taxes.
      Campaigning on the public's dime is a crime in AZ.

      -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]

      • (Score: 0, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 04 2017, @07:42AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 04 2017, @07:42AM (#548642)

        I, for one, am glad the bradley13 no longer resides in the United States of America, since he seems to be such a racist douche. Must be nice that those Swiss people never suspect that you are an illegal immigrant, since you can pass for white, eh, brad? You are an embarrassment to your expatriated country.

      • (Score: 1) by Ethanol-fueled on Saturday August 05 2017, @12:11AM (1 child)

        by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Saturday August 05 2017, @12:11AM (#548937) Homepage

        If you drive an SUV with utility lights labeled "La Migra" down the street and 25% of your residents go scurrying into the shadows, then chances are that you're justified stopping 25% of your population and asking them for their papeles, and handing them off to CBP if they can't furnish them.

        • (Score: 2) by dry on Saturday August 05 2017, @03:46AM

          by dry (223) on Saturday August 05 2017, @03:46AM (#548993) Journal

          America, the land of "your papers please" or else your shipped out of the country you were born into.

    • (Score: 5, Informative) by sjames on Friday August 04 2017, @07:44AM (5 children)

      by sjames (2882) on Friday August 04 2017, @07:44AM (#548644) Journal

      Sorry, but you're wrong. Sure, not much point in asking a white guy about his immigration status in Az., but at the same time, you need more than "he looks latino" for a traffic stop. And you certainly need more than that to detain someone. The court made that quite clear to him and let him off with a warning, but he chose to continue breaking the law so now he gets to pay the price.

      I heard a white dude robbed the liquor store yesterday. We better pull you over and frisk you, you seem to fit the description perfectly. Perhaps we should hold you for questioning.

      • (Score: 5, Insightful) by bradley13 on Friday August 04 2017, @11:31AM (4 children)

        by bradley13 (3053) on Friday August 04 2017, @11:31AM (#548687) Homepage Journal

        No, I actually agree with you. Please read this sentence in my original post:

        "you should attempt to identify illegals based on more than just being hispanic."

        However, this sentence also remains true:

        "it is simply a fact that nearly all illegal aliens in Arizona are hispanic"

        Which makes profiling relevant: if you're looking for illegal aliens in Arizona, there's little point in checking the IDs of non-hispanics. If that's racism, then reality is racist.

        You also write: "I heard a white dude robbed the liquor store yesterday. We better pull you over and frisk you, you seem to fit the description perfectly."

        If I fit the description, including skin color, then yes you should. Race is insufficient by itself, but it at least eliminates a large number of people who cannot be the suspect in question.

        Remember the case of the Texas homeowner a couple of days ago, who shot at two home intruders? She killed one, the other ran away. The published description of the fugitive describes the color of his underwear, but not his race [nypost.com]. That's just ludicrous PC idiocy. The guy was black, so right away the public doesn't need to look out for white, asian, and hispanic guys wearing red underwear.

        --
        Everyone is somebody else's weirdo.
        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 04 2017, @04:22PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 04 2017, @04:22PM (#548778)

          You tried, but missed the point by a wide margin. There is a world of difference between a detailed description of someone who just committed a crime and a random person on the street who shares the same nationality. They were/are profiling Latinos in general, not as part of an investigation into a specific crime. If you can't understand why that is a bad thing then I'm glad you're out of the US and have no impact on our lives.

        • (Score: 2, Insightful) by aristarchus on Friday August 04 2017, @04:41PM (1 child)

          by aristarchus (2645) on Friday August 04 2017, @04:41PM (#548789) Journal

          If that's racism, then reality is racist.

          This is what defines a racist, they think reality is racist, since that is their reality. But in reality, it is the racist that is really racist.

          • (Score: 3, Insightful) by aristarchus on Saturday August 05 2017, @05:54AM

            by aristarchus (2645) on Saturday August 05 2017, @05:54AM (#549016) Journal

            And. . . predictably, a racist thinks this is redundant, which of course it is. Racist bastard racists, who do not know who their real fathers are, and cannot behave as real men, since they have very small hands or very large pickup trucks. White people suffer, not only from a lack of melitonin, but also from the ability to reason, which is why we cannot have white supremacy: White folks be to dumb. Or, in the original Dutch: Hvítar fólkið er of heimsk. But at least the Norse of Iceland are humble enough to admit this. The Norse of England, who are mostly Norse, fail at admitting this. And the racist bastarts who fled, rather than fight for their ancestral rights, who are now Americans, well, they are the most racist with the least cause, and there is no cause.

        • (Score: 2) by sjames on Saturday August 05 2017, @02:32AM

          by sjames (2882) on Saturday August 05 2017, @02:32AM (#548969) Journal

          You also said

          tl;dr: Profiling has a purpose. Arpaio was just more honest about it than most.

          But in fact, he was using Hispanic looking inductively, that is, as a sign of guilt in and of itself. That's why he is in trouble now.

    • (Score: 2) by FakeBeldin on Saturday August 05 2017, @09:33AM

      by FakeBeldin (3360) on Saturday August 05 2017, @09:33AM (#549064) Journal

      You're trying to identify illegal aliens, and you not supposed to assume that they are hispanic? WTF? ....Profiling has a purpose.

      Profiling only works if you profile both the general population and the class of people you want to detect.
      If you only profile the class of people you want to detect, you have no clue if that profile distinguishes that class from the general population in any way.

      Once you know the ability of a profile to distinguish between two groups, you need to account for the fact that the test is imperfect.
      Case in point: if a pregnancy test indicates that a man is pregnant, does that make the man pregnant? No.
      Hypothetical example: say 10 million people in the state, 25% Hispanic (2.5 million), and there are 10 illegal immigrants in the state, all of which are Hispanic.
      Your profile is going to be wrong 249,999 times out of 250,000 - absolutely useless. (See Base rate fallacy [wikipedia.org]).

      Related: even if all illegal immigrants are $PROFILE, that does not mean that $PROFILE means you've found an illegal immigrant.
      Case in point: almost all presidents of the USA have been white males over 45. Now do you think Arpaio is jumping out of his car and saluting every white male over 45 years old he comes across?
      (Also known as Affirming the consequent [wikipedia.org])

      Profiling can be used - either to make its user look like a dick, or to actual use. It depends on whether the user understands the limitations and pitfalls of profiling.

    • (Score: 2) by urza9814 on Monday August 07 2017, @05:35PM

      by urza9814 (3954) on Monday August 07 2017, @05:35PM (#550067) Journal

      tl;dr: Profiling has a purpose.

      Funny that you don't seem to consider that perhaps the Bill of Rights has a purpose as well....

  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Entropy on Friday August 04 2017, @06:48AM (15 children)

    by Entropy (4228) on Friday August 04 2017, @06:48AM (#548633)

    ...that look mexican. That's a completely unrealistic approach. He should stop an equal number of asians, too...because that makes sense.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 04 2017, @07:29AM (8 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 04 2017, @07:29AM (#548638)

      Those Europeans are sneaky.
      They overstay their visas.
      ...or they get work while having a tourist visa (like Trump's wife did).

      -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]

      • (Score: 4, Touché) by driverless on Friday August 04 2017, @11:00AM (7 children)

        by driverless (4770) on Friday August 04 2017, @11:00AM (#548678)

        Those Europeans are sneaky.
        They overstay their visas.

        I'll say. Those damn English have overstayed by over four hundred years. And they took most of the original inhabitants' jobs.

        • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Friday August 04 2017, @12:07PM (6 children)

          by Phoenix666 (552) on Friday August 04 2017, @12:07PM (#548694) Journal

          Also their cooking is terrible, and the names for their dishes are worse: "Spotted Dick."

          --
          Washington DC delenda est.
          • (Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Friday August 04 2017, @03:06PM (5 children)

            by Grishnakh (2831) on Friday August 04 2017, @03:06PM (#548747)

            It's true the English have no native cuisine that's any good, but the Native Americans weren't known for great cuisine either. Indian fry bread (which I believe was only invented after European colonization anyway) is extremely unhealthy. They did introduce some really interesting new foods to Europe (corn, pumpkin, chocolate if you're including the entire New World), but they never had much of a developed art of cuisine.

            It'd be interesting to see what would have happened in an alternate universe where the French and Italians colonized the New World while the English, Dutch, Spanish, and Portuguese stayed at home.

            • (Score: 3, Informative) by Phoenix666 on Friday August 04 2017, @04:30PM (2 children)

              by Phoenix666 (552) on Friday August 04 2017, @04:30PM (#548781) Journal

              It's true the English have no native cuisine that's any good, but the Native Americans weren't known for great cuisine either. Indian fry bread (which I believe was only invented after European colonization anyway) is extremely unhealthy. They did introduce some really interesting new foods to Europe (corn, pumpkin, chocolate if you're including the entire New World), but they never had much of a developed art of cuisine.

              It's hard to know for sure. They left no written records. Most of the written records from Meso-America were burned by the Spanish. It's pure luck that we have fragments of Nahuatl poetry from the Aztecs, which is a great tragedy because it's beautiful and as sophisticated as any in the world.

              We do know from early anthropological work with North American tribes that they had many more recipes and ways to cook food than have survived in oral history and in practice through to today. We do know that they ate a huge array of things that still grow wild in the landscape all around us but aren't recognized as food by modern Americans, foods like sumac, cattails, ground nut, and ragweed. We do know that they ate those foods in combination, which is the definition of cuisine. Some of them have come down to us intact, but we don't usually know they're from Indians, such as succotash (from Narragansett sohquttahhash, "broken corn kernels") or maple syrup. But if those things rose to the level of Cordon Bleu we'll never know.

              --
              Washington DC delenda est.
              • (Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Friday August 04 2017, @04:50PM

                by Grishnakh (2831) on Friday August 04 2017, @04:50PM (#548794)

                They left no written records. Most of the written records from Meso-America were burned by the Spanish.

                I guess that reinforces my earlier statement about an alternate universe where the Spanish stayed at home while the French and Italians colonized the New World. The Spanish were truly horrible, evil people. Just read about the deeds of Christopher Columbus. What have the Spanish ever accomplished, anyway? Brutalizing the natives in their conquering of meso-America, the Spanish Inquisition, allying with the Nazis, having a dictatorship through much of the 20th century... and now they're trying to prevent other oppressed regions from breaking away (Catalonia and the Basque region). Truly horrible people.

                Some of them have come down to us intact, but we don't usually know they're from Indians, such as succotash (from Narragansett sohquttahhash, "broken corn kernels") or maple syrup

                TIL. I'll be forever grateful to them for the maple syrup. It's too bad it's hard to find these days, because restaurants only want to serve nasty "breakfast syrup" made of high-fructose corn syrup and artificial flavors. I either have to only eat pancakes/waffles at home, or I have to bring in my own syrup (or go to a really fancy re$$$taurant).

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 04 2017, @07:20PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 04 2017, @07:20PM (#548835)

                corn, pumpkin, chocolate if you're including the entire New World

                Other pumpkin-like squash as well.

                sohquttahhash [...] maple syrup

                Yeah. Maize, squash, beans: The Three Sisters (an agricultural innovation).

                Add tomatoes, tomatillos, potatoes, nopales (cactus leaf), cactus pears.
                A bunch of new chilis to be sure.

                Don't know if Europeans had anything like jerky or pemmican before contact with The New World.

                -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]

            • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Friday August 04 2017, @04:36PM (1 child)

              by aristarchus (2645) on Friday August 04 2017, @04:36PM (#548785) Journal

              but they never had much of a developed art of cuisine.

              "Suffering Succotash!"

              (one thing to genocide a people, but to erase their cuisine, that's just racist.)

              • (Score: 3, Touché) by cmdrklarg on Friday August 04 2017, @07:09PM

                by cmdrklarg (5048) Subscriber Badge on Friday August 04 2017, @07:09PM (#548831)

                Geez, get it right! That's "Thuuuffering Thuccotash!"

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    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 04 2017, @09:21AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 04 2017, @09:21AM (#548659)

      He shouldn't be stopping people at all unless there's some sort of evidence that they've done something wrong. Being stopped and harassed merely because some people who share your skin color do illegal things is extremely unjust. Border enforcement and such is less important than freedom.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 04 2017, @09:53AM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 04 2017, @09:53AM (#548663)

      you have zero idea on what was going on, so you make up something clearly wrong, and argue against it. you are a short ugly thief. why do you steal jewelry from people's cars? that's wrong, and you're a dumb thieving piece of ugly nerd shit.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 04 2017, @04:24PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 04 2017, @04:24PM (#548780)

        I think Entropy's name has gone to his head, there isn't much organized structure left, just some bullshit slowly degrading into mush.

    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 04 2017, @10:27AM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 04 2017, @10:27AM (#548668)

      They weren't looking for illegal Mexican immigrants. They were just looking for Mexicans. As in see a Mexican walking, ask him for papers. If he's got none with him he spends time cuffed to a wall at the station till someone brings his ID. You're clearly defending this practice. Good thing real Americans throw people like you in jail in government and sue them till their last dime at the office. Got any more bright thoughts for us Sherlock? Knowledge is power. Get some.

      • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Friday August 04 2017, @12:09PM

        by Phoenix666 (552) on Friday August 04 2017, @12:09PM (#548695) Journal

        As in see a Mexican walking, ask him for papers.

        Oh I do that at my kids' school all the time. The Puerto Ricans think it's a riot.

        --
        Washington DC delenda est.
    • (Score: 2) by vux984 on Saturday August 05 2017, @12:22AM

      by vux984 (5045) on Saturday August 05 2017, @12:22AM (#548940)

      He should stop an equal number of asians, too...because that makes sense.

      No. It means he should have more grounds than 'do they look mexican' before looking into their citizenship at all.

      Lets put it another way, lets say that a White supremist organization committed acts of terrorism. Obviously we'd want to investigate them, and obviously this organization isn't going to have a lot of asian or black members;... but don't you think it's a bit ridiculous to pull over anyone that looks white and harrass them to find out they belong to that organization. They should obviously require additional evidence of actually belonging to that organization.

      Merely 'looking mexican' is not grounds to be harrassed over your legal status. If you don't have any OTHER evidence of illegal status, leave them alone.

  • (Score: 3, Informative) by arcz on Friday August 04 2017, @04:35PM

    by arcz (4501) on Friday August 04 2017, @04:35PM (#548784) Journal

    The constitution does say that you have a right to a jury trial in ALL criminal cases. Hopefully the Supreme Court will cease the tyranny and overrule itself when it created an exception out of thin air and follow the U.S. Constitution instead of continuing to ignore it like the tyrants they have become.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 05 2017, @12:59AM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 05 2017, @12:59AM (#548952)

    If those brown people would just behave, they'd be profiled as such!

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 05 2017, @06:33AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 05 2017, @06:33AM (#549024)

      I am a brown person. I have a nuke. Would you like to ask me if my existence on this planet is legitimate. I will nuke you, you white ghost bastard! Why do not these northern European types not get more sun? I mean, if the Donald can do it, even if it leaves his eyes looking like the lost souls of the unredeemed, all those other skin deficient types should be able to catch up.

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