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posted by martyb on Friday August 25 2017, @09:35AM   Printer-friendly
from the Well-that-went-well dept.

Daniel Kammen, a renewable energy expert appointed last year as a science envoy to the State Department, resigned Wednesday, citing President Trump's response to the violence in Charlottesville as the final straw that led to his departure.

Kind of makes you wonder, you know, what kind of President could provoke a science envoy to the State department to resign. But not far to look! As Kammen goes on:

In a resignation letter posted to Twitter, Kammen wrote that Trump's remarks about the racial violence in Virginia had attacked "core values of the United States" and that it would have "domestic and international ramifications."

Even American scientists have ethics, and will not serve violent racist regimes, like Nazi Germany. So there is that.

But the most interesting thing, is the encryption:

However, his most biting message may have come in the form of a hidden acrostic: The first letter of each paragraph spelled out I-M-P-E-A-C-H.


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  • (Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @09:39AM (3 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @09:39AM (#558790)

    I like how science can abandon people.

    • (Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @02:12PM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @02:12PM (#558864)

      I'm not so sure about all this. Are we sure science is ok with being anthropomorphized?

      • (Score: 3, Funny) by Zinho on Friday August 25 2017, @03:03PM

        by Zinho (759) on Friday August 25 2017, @03:03PM (#558887)

        Nope, science hates being anthropomorphised, and wishes we would cut it out.

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      • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @03:19PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @03:19PM (#558898)

        Not to worry. When the faggoty left does it, it's alright.

  • (Score: 3, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @09:59AM (4 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @09:59AM (#558793)

    Just wait a month and the whole govt will shutdown while we watch Trump spit out his dummy about the wall. The art of the deal folks - get everyone on the hook and threaten to bring them down with you. We can call it a chapter 11 restructuring. Big win.

    • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @01:42PM (3 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @01:42PM (#558852)

      The last time we had a government shutdown, the cost was higher than the cost of building a wall.

      So if anybody shuts down the government to supposedly avoid the cost of building a wall, they are full of shit.

      • (Score: 3, Informative) by tangomargarine on Friday August 25 2017, @03:05PM (2 children)

        by tangomargarine (667) on Friday August 25 2017, @03:05PM (#558889)

        People aren't talking about shutting down to avoid building the wall; Trump is talking about shutting down as a temper tantrum if we *won't* build the wall.

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        • (Score: 2) by deimtee on Saturday August 26 2017, @07:05AM (1 child)

          by deimtee (3272) on Saturday August 26 2017, @07:05AM (#559329) Journal

          Other than the inflammatory language, how are the two situations different?
          Build a wall or shut down the government are the two alternatives in both cases.

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          • (Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Monday August 28 2017, @03:04PM

            by tangomargarine (667) on Monday August 28 2017, @03:04PM (#560268)

            The difference is whose fault it is.

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  • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @10:00AM (20 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @10:00AM (#558794)

    I was interested in what kind of science was involved here, it looks like economics:
    http://sapiens.revues.org/1228 [revues.org]

    Actually, I havent read many economics papers. That one looked like it contained no data at all, only model outputs. Is that usual?

    Then I tried to go here but one of the redirct pages is too modern for my browser:
    http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.ecolecon.2012.04.027 [doi.org]

    • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @10:44AM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @10:44AM (#558803)

      It's a curious new kind of science called "virtue signalling" featuring "intersectional youranazism".

      • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @12:05PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @12:05PM (#558816)

        > new kind of science

        BEEP, sorry, Stephen Wolfram already took that phrase: https://www.wolframscience.com/ [wolframscience.com]

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by crafoo on Friday August 25 2017, @12:22PM (17 children)

      by crafoo (6639) on Friday August 25 2017, @12:22PM (#558819)

      Summary is wrong then. Economists are not scientists. Their "theories" are not falsifiable through evidence. Economics wraps itself in some math and its own jargon dialect, making it sound scientific. It's just modern-day chicken sacrifices though. Ask an economist to use their "scientific" tools to predict the economic future sometime. Not only are their theories not falsifiable, they are not actually even useful.

      • (Score: 1, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Friday August 25 2017, @03:23PM (15 children)

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday August 25 2017, @03:23PM (#558900) Journal

        The lefties are re-defining "science". Bush said, "No stem cell research!" Lefties say "No STEM!" Future "scientists" will be researching how facts make people feel, and discarding facts that are down facts, and reinforcing facts that are up facts. No more need for drugs, just read (or listen) to some up-facts!!!!

        • (Score: 0, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @03:46PM (14 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @03:46PM (#558912)

          The righties are redefining stupid. They call up Guiness and said "get ready boys we're about to set some new records!". Yes the title is dumb, welcome to modern clickbait, but sounds like you finally flew off the deep end.

          • (Score: 1, Offtopic) by Runaway1956 on Friday August 25 2017, @03:51PM (13 children)

            by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday August 25 2017, @03:51PM (#558918) Journal

            Unlike yourself, whose parents only waded into the shallow end of the gene pool.

            • (Score: 1, Offtopic) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday August 25 2017, @04:13PM (10 children)

              by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Friday August 25 2017, @04:13PM (#558931) Journal

              I've got some Midol if you need it, Runaway. Why didn't you tell me it was Shark Week for you? :) Have a nap, some chocolate, and come back and post when you're in a better, less overly-emotional frame of mind.

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              I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
              • (Score: 1, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Friday August 25 2017, @04:22PM (9 children)

                by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday August 25 2017, @04:22PM (#558937) Journal

                You're just jealous, 'Zumi. I'm the guy you wish that you could be.

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @04:25PM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @04:25PM (#558940)

                  I think his wife finally left him and he has no other outlet than website comment sections.

                • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday August 25 2017, @04:35PM (7 children)

                  by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Friday August 25 2017, @04:35PM (#558947) Journal

                  LOLwat. Every day I wake up and read the news and see the stupid shit men are doing to one another and everyone else and I thank God/Goddess I don't have a Y chromosome. If I were ever going to be a guy I'd want it to be someone who made advances in medicine or clean power or agriculture, not some bitter basement-crawling incel with daddy issues.

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                  I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
                  • (Score: 1, Offtopic) by Runaway1956 on Friday August 25 2017, @04:57PM (4 children)

                    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday August 25 2017, @04:57PM (#558967) Journal

                    Self assured, confident, ain't skeered o nothin - and a perfect asshole. Admit it, you want to be like me.

                    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @05:14PM

                      by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @05:14PM (#558984)

                      Haha such a great "internet tough guy", someone should post this thread somewhere. It is high quality meme stuff!

                    • (Score: 1, Offtopic) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday August 25 2017, @05:31PM (2 children)

                      by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Friday August 25 2017, @05:31PM (#558997) Journal

                      This, Runaway, is what we call the Dunning-Kruger effect. You're not even competent to know you're incompetent. Look around you at the world we live in and consider the trajectory of history: if you are not frightened, it means you are too stupid and/or too uninformed to realize that there are things you should be frightened of. And I hope I never become even one tenth the complete asshole you are.

                      PS: the more you protest the worse you look. You're fooling no one...I suspect not even yourself, deep down.

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                      I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
                      • (Score: 1, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Friday August 25 2017, @05:46PM (1 child)

                        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday August 25 2017, @05:46PM (#559008) Journal

                        Azumi Hazuki might actually be a twisted Dunning-Kruger anagram . . . .

                        So, you, at least, know that you are incompetent. That's good enough for me!!

                        • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday August 25 2017, @06:32PM

                          by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Friday August 25 2017, @06:32PM (#559046) Journal

                          ...so you've been reduced to "I know you are but what am I?" Congratulations, Runaway, your daddy issues from childhood have finished regressing you to age 7. Run along if you don't want my belt across your ass too.

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                          I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @05:32PM

                    by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @05:32PM (#558998)

                    You don't need to be male to do those things. The only thing holding yourself back is you.

                  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @07:38PM

                    by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @07:38PM (#559085)

                    Are just as big of whores as the men are gigalos.

                    Just look at that Park chick in South Korea, or Indira Ghandi in India, or any number of other female fuckups in positions of power.

                    The point is: Power corrupts completely, regardless of race, ethics, gender or creed.

            • (Score: 2) by LoRdTAW on Friday August 25 2017, @04:46PM (1 child)

              by LoRdTAW (3755) on Friday August 25 2017, @04:46PM (#558958) Journal

              What a childish cheap shot from a man over what, 40, 50 years old? Those your momma jokes are pretty much over with after grade school.

              • (Score: 2) by captain normal on Friday August 25 2017, @09:41PM

                by captain normal (2205) on Friday August 25 2017, @09:41PM (#559120)

                I'd guess 61 from his User Name.

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      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Friday August 25 2017, @07:45PM

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Friday August 25 2017, @07:45PM (#559087) Journal

        Economists are not scientists. Their "theories" are not falsifiable through evidence.

        That would be incorrect. For example, the well-known supply and demand model not only is falsifiable, but has considerable supporting evidence.

        What is different about economics than most other fields is that the stakes are much higher. If billions of dollars rode on whether two variants of butterflies were separate species or not, then you would see an amazing amount of unscientific argument as well as various legal and political shenanigans.

        Ask an economist to use their "scientific" tools to predict the economic future sometime.

        What aspects of the future? Some things are naturally hard, such as predicting timing of recessions (much like predicting earthquakes). Others are less so - like making broad demographic predictions. For example, I'm much more confident in predicting that China will be considered a developed world country by 2050 than in predicting that a global recession will happen in the year 2021.

  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday August 25 2017, @11:06AM (16 children)

    I'm guessing submissions of this quality are why aristarchus has been complaining about his subs not getting published. Pro-tip: Godwin in the comments not the submission.

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    • (Score: 5, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @11:20AM (11 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @11:20AM (#558810)

      comparing literal Nazi's to literal Nazi's is not Godwinning

      • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @11:42AM (3 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @11:42AM (#558813)

        Not too long ago, Obama and Hilary were considered Nazis by.... well, by esseintially the same people who dressed up in Nazi outfits and paraded through Charlottesville.

        So are we to assume Unite the Right are a bunch of Obama supporters? Left wing politics is very confusing.

        • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @01:52PM (2 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @01:52PM (#558857)

          The left doxxed everybody there except for the guy holding the actual Nazi flag. The right noticed, then doxxed him, and it turns out that he was seen at liberal protest events.

          So the leader is just pretending to be Nazi in order to dox people, or he has some kind of split personality thing, or he just protests for the fun of protesting. He is in no way a real Nazi believer. That flag he carried (with the swastika) isn't something he consistently believes in. It's a literal false flag.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @04:35PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @04:35PM (#558948)

            Alex Jones called, he says "Stay off my turf you insignificant piece of shit."

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 26 2017, @06:09AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 26 2017, @06:09AM (#559315)
            I saw photos of a KKK rally a month earlier posted as if they were taken at the UniteTheRight Charlottesville rally. I have yet to see one shred of proof that the rally was "white nationalist" or "white supremacist" or anything of that sort. Yes, there were some white supremacists that decided to show up and join in, but that doesn't make everyone else there nor the rally organizers ALL white nationalists by association. Until I see proof that the rally was organized by and majority attended by white nationalists/supremacists, I call absolute bullshit on the prevailing narrative. [youtube.com]
      • (Score: 3, Funny) by takyon on Friday August 25 2017, @12:45PM (1 child)

        by takyon (881) <reversethis-{gro ... s} {ta} {noykat}> on Friday August 25 2017, @12:45PM (#558833) Journal

        comparing literal Nazi's to literal Nazi's is not Godwinning

        You just want to bring out the Grammar Nazi's.

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @02:15PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @02:15PM (#558866)

          Grammar Nazi's must be a separatist faction of Grammar Nazis that are advocating for greengrocers rights.

          Thank goodness nobody's mentioned the Literal Grammar Nazi's.

          Oops!

      • (Score: 2) by mcgrew on Friday August 25 2017, @02:54PM

        by mcgrew (701) <publish@mcgrewbooks.com> on Friday August 25 2017, @02:54PM (#558875) Homepage Journal

        ESL, AC? "Nazi's" is a possessive, meaning "belonging to a Nazi". If English is your primary language, I suggest you read a few real books. The word you were looking for is "Nazis".

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      • (Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Friday August 25 2017, @03:02PM (2 children)

        by tangomargarine (667) on Friday August 25 2017, @03:02PM (#558885)

        When did we get a literal Nazi party in the U.S.? I must've missed that memo.

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        • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @03:04PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @03:04PM (#558888)

          They used to call themselves "alt-right".

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 26 2017, @02:43AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 26 2017, @02:43AM (#559248)

            Standard Liberal 101: "Agree with whatever jack shit insanity we invented this week or else you're a Nazi and it's OK that we murder you in the name of tolerance."

      • (Score: 3, Informative) by JNCF on Friday August 25 2017, @04:13PM

        by JNCF (4317) on Friday August 25 2017, @04:13PM (#558932) Journal

        Shitty grammar aside, you're also incorrect. Godwin's Law makes no claim about whether a particular Hitler comparison is apropos, only that the likelihood of such a comparison goes up with length of any internet discussion. Note that we could swap out "Hitler" with anything else and the rule would still hold. Also, the "internet" part is a red herring. JNCF's Law: as a telephone conversation grows longer, the probability of an analogy involving puppy-kicking approaches 1.

    • (Score: 4, Interesting) by theluggage on Friday August 25 2017, @03:30PM (1 child)

      by theluggage (1797) on Friday August 25 2017, @03:30PM (#558904)

      Pro-tip: Godwin in the comments not the submission.

      Actually, the creator of Godwin's law has ruled [theregister.co.uk] that his law doesn't apply to the Charlottesville mob. Apparently it is OK to compare someone to a Nazi if they are actually waving a swastika.

      • (Score: 2) by JNCF on Friday August 25 2017, @04:18PM

        by JNCF (4317) on Friday August 25 2017, @04:18PM (#558934) Journal

        No, he didn't. Ignoring media commentary, reread the law and then reread his statement. They don't contradict each other. They law is a rather bland statement about probabilities, it doesn't say that any particular comparison is or is not apt.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @04:38PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @04:38PM (#558949)

      Right, cause your editorializing is soooo objective :P

    • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Friday August 25 2017, @06:01PM

      by DeathMonkey (1380) on Friday August 25 2017, @06:01PM (#559024) Journal

      *crickets*

  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by bradley13 on Friday August 25 2017, @11:59AM (56 children)

    by bradley13 (3053) on Friday August 25 2017, @11:59AM (#558815) Homepage Journal

    Obama appointee dislikes Trump! News at 11:00!

    Anyway, I've never understood the criticism of Trump's remarks about Charlottesville. There were idiots in pseudo-Nazi uniforms parading around on one side. On the other side, there were progressives looking for a fight, who started the violence. And on the third side, there was a mentally unstable guy who drove his car where he shouldn't have, his car got attacked, he panicked and ran someone over.

    Trump comes out and says that everyone carries some of the blame for the mess. Not seeing where that statement should be a problem...

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    • (Score: 5, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @12:18PM (3 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @12:18PM (#558818)

      Just like WW2 when some Nazi's did some stuff and some other people did some stuff and even more people did stuff. We're all to blame, really.

      • (Score: 5, Informative) by Sulla on Friday August 25 2017, @04:44PM (2 children)

        by Sulla (5173) on Friday August 25 2017, @04:44PM (#558956) Journal

        Actually we are all to blame for the rise of the Nazis. The Nazis came out of the interwar period in Germany where they were getting raked over the coals by the Treaty of Versailles. The French and English are taking every penny they can from Germany, the people in Germany are starving and unable to buy what they need to survive, and the elite is fine. The people revolted against English and French oppression and got national, they rejected the elites and got socialist, they rebuild their country based on the base unit of German workers, and they banded together to do it and got a party.

        Had it not been for how bad the treaty of Versailles was, I doubt we would have had the Nazis.

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @08:38PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @08:38PM (#559105)

          Would a non-existence of Nazis mean no communism in the world? No communism in Russia? No communism in Germany? ...

          Would a non-existence of Nazis mean Lenin/Stalin would not have existed either?

          All of those would have happened, and there would have been nothing stopping Stalin from taking over the world. Nazis saved all our lives. I thank them every day.

          • (Score: 2) by Sulla on Saturday August 26 2017, @05:35AM

            by Sulla (5173) on Saturday August 26 2017, @05:35AM (#559306) Journal

            If I recall Lenin was an ideological weapon Germany fired at Russia by way of train that ended up fucking all of humanity. Probably the most dangerous weapon ever used, they didn't even test it!

            Germany gave us both Nazis and the father of modern communism. Thanks Germany.

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    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @12:25PM (32 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @12:25PM (#558821)

      Everyone is to blame: those who protested against Nazis, and those innocent Nazis who killed the protesters.

      I remember a time, it must have been like a year ago, when most people considered Nazis to be kind of bad. How the times change!

      Oh, while we're here, remind me what we should do about the Muslim terrorists driving trucks into crowds? I think it was something like "kill their families and bomb their villages".

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @12:34PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @12:34PM (#558825)

        The President needs to send Jared and Ivanka out to meet these torch-wielding "very fine people" who are only protesting a couple of statues after all. Jared could personally lead them through the streets in honor of our heritage. Jared! Jared! Jared! I can hear them chanting.

      • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @03:17PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @03:17PM (#558897)

        But this time it was a poor mentally disturbed white guy. We can't lynch a WHITE person!!

        God these threads show how clearly the alt-right (and sympathizers / conspiratards) enjoys this site.

      • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Friday August 25 2017, @03:28PM (27 children)

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday August 25 2017, @03:28PM (#558901) Journal

        ""kill their families and bomb their villages""

        Yep, you got that right. So, let's track down all of those leftists bastards who were protesting the protestors, and kill them, then bomb their villages.

        The only Nazi who killed anyone in Charlottesville can make a convincing argument that he acted in self defense. The commies were paid by Soros and affiliates to incite violence - kill 'em all.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @03:35PM (13 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @03:35PM (#558907)

          Please continue staying off your meds, with any luck they'll put you in a fancy jacket and we'll never need to read your racism-lite again.

          • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Friday August 25 2017, @03:48PM (12 children)

            by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday August 25 2017, @03:48PM (#558915) Journal

            And, you're almost certainly a hypocrite. You're opposed to "my" kind of racism, but you probably support Antifa. Dude - if you can't condemn reverse-racism, then you're just another racist yourself.

            You will also note, I've not spoken up for either the Nazis or the communist shit-stirrers. I'm not in favor of either of their brands of racism. If I'm a racist, then I'm for the American race. Not blacks, not whites, not immigrants - I'm all about responsible, tax-paying, voting, American citizens who serve their country. Generational welfare families might qualify, if they can survive when the welfare runs out.

            • (Score: 2) by JNCF on Friday August 25 2017, @04:31PM (8 children)

              by JNCF (4317) on Friday August 25 2017, @04:31PM (#558944) Journal

              If I'm a racist, then I'm for the American race. Not blacks, not whites, not immigrants - I'm all about responsible, tax-paying, voting, American citizens who serve their country.

              So that alt.politics.nationalism.white newsgroup you post on [soylentnews.org] has nothing to do with "_Whites_," right?

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @04:42PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @04:42PM (#558953)

                Q
                E
                and the motherfucking
                D

              • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Friday August 25 2017, @04:53PM (6 children)

                by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday August 25 2017, @04:53PM (#558962) Journal

                I've never made a post there. Not once in my life. I HAVE posted a few times on Stormfront, but they banned me. And, what's your problem with Yggdrasil? Some well-documented facts bother you? Nearly half of America is involved in a freaking witch hunt, trying to punish today's white males for all the evils (real and otherwise) committed by our great-greats. Maybe I exaggerate, maybe it's a good deal less than half of America. But they are vocal enough, they sound like half of America.

                • (Score: 2) by JNCF on Friday August 25 2017, @05:07PM (5 children)

                  by JNCF (4317) on Friday August 25 2017, @05:07PM (#558978) Journal

                  I began the "Race Bias" series in 1995 in response to a post on the alt.politics.nationalism.white newsgroup to the effect that there was no discrimination in employment, university admissions, or otherwise, against European-Americans.

                  I was stunned that the regular posters to the group had no instant supply of material to post in reply.

                  When you post a journal entry written in the first person, with no disclaimer at the top of it, I get to assume it's your writing. No, I didn't make it to the bottom of that journal entry to see the URL the first time I saw it. Even knowing that you didn't write this, I have no problem lumping you in with the people whose writing you promote sans disclaimer.

                  • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday August 25 2017, @05:15PM (4 children)

                    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday August 25 2017, @05:15PM (#558987) Journal

                    That is so much hogwash, and you know it. I posted someone's post, and provided a link to the original post. It's not my work. I do enjoy shocking the pantywaists around here, but I can't claim credit for Yggdrasil's writings. Hell, in other discussions on this site, I've explained that I didn't have any intertubes in 1995, so how the hell could I be responsible for posts made to any newsgroup in 1995?

                    Never assume, you know it only makes as ass of u - but not me.

                    • (Score: 2) by JNCF on Friday August 25 2017, @06:25PM (2 children)

                      by JNCF (4317) on Friday August 25 2017, @06:25PM (#559042) Journal

                      Without assumptions, our models of the universe become useless navel-gazing. Assuming that a first-person journal entry is the work of the person posting it is totally reasonable. Include attribution at the top, or wrap it in a block quote, if you don't want journal entries to be attributed to you. Also, I don't read everything you've written, and what I have read is probably mostly forgotten.

                      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Friday August 25 2017, @07:56PM (1 child)

                        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Friday August 25 2017, @07:56PM (#559089) Journal

                        Without assumptions, our models of the universe become useless navel-gazing.

                        And with assumptions, they become extremely useful lower colon-gazing.

                        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @08:24PM

                          by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @08:24PM (#559101)

                          Khallow! Pull your head out of you ass, and stop gazing at your colon::::

                    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @10:46PM

                      by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @10:46PM (#559139)

                      Flat out plagiarism, no indication of original source at the outset. Bad, bad Runaway. And that is even before the Nazism.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @04:33PM (2 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @04:33PM (#558945)

              ""kill their families and bomb their villages""

              Yep, you got that right. So, let's track down all of those leftists bastards who were protesting the protestors, and kill them, then bomb their villages.

              The only Nazi who killed anyone in Charlottesville can make a convincing argument that he acted in self defense. The commies were paid by Soros and affiliates to incite violence - kill 'em all.

              You're a hypocritical piece of shit, guess you're so worked up you forgot what you just wrote! I do not condone any violence or racism, reverse or otherwise. I dislike you due to your opinions and nothing else. Anger has clouded your mind, the media has you triggered so hard you'll call for the death of all leftists. I mean seriously guy, can you not see your own sickness here?

              • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday August 25 2017, @04:55PM (1 child)

                by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday August 25 2017, @04:55PM (#558966) Journal

                AC, you have posted some atrocious crap against white males in the past. Don't tell me what you like or don't like. Maybe if you signed your posts, I'd be able to keep track of your opinions?

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @05:17PM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @05:17PM (#558988)

                  Seriously that's your comeback? You could just ask TMB, he likes to troll through the database comparing the "anonymous" IPs.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @04:40PM (7 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @04:40PM (#558950)

          The commies were paid by Soros and affiliates to incite violence

          Um, No [sherdog.com].

          • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday August 25 2017, @05:01PM (5 children)

            by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday August 25 2017, @05:01PM (#558971) Journal

            So, uhhh, some guys post some shit on a forum, and because you happen to like and/or agree with those guys, they become authoritative. Got it.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @05:23PM (2 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @05:23PM (#558991)

              So, uhhh, some guys post some shit on a forum, and because you happen to like and/or agree with those guys, they become authoritative. Got it.

              Oh. My. God.

              The irony is so thick you can cut it with a knife!

              • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday August 25 2017, @05:55PM (1 child)

                by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday August 25 2017, @05:55PM (#559020) Journal

                Well, first, cutting iron with a knife is a good way to ruin said knife.

                Second, you would need some iron-y to cut with your knife. Has Runaway ever set himself up as an authority? Has anyone on Soylent ever cited Runaway as an authority? I don't think so. I'm still the asocial asshole who loves to bell the cat, or whatever. The leftist crowd here loves to crow about how superior they are, and I love baiting them. I offer citations from time to time, but it's fun just to trigger all those snowflakes. Hey, tell me youre trigger word, so I can use it in a few posts.

                Oh, never mind. Seeing that you've made this silly post, I suppose that "silly" might trigger you.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @08:31PM (1 child)

              by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @08:31PM (#559102)

              You need more, you silly cuck? (oh, the alt-left term has always been, "useful idiots")
              http://www.factcheck.org/2017/08/counterprotesters-paid-charlottesville/ [factcheck.org]

              So, Fake News, from Runaway1956. It's almost like he's hardwired to right wing propaganda machines!

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 26 2017, @02:43AM

                by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 26 2017, @02:43AM (#559247)

                Fact Check Dot Org? Well shit! It's settled now!

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @06:31PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @06:31PM (#559045)

            I couldn't even read your link. The site looks horrible and not somewhere I'd go for real info, but what really got me was it nearly froze my browser with whatever godawful javascript is going on in the background. Had to close it quick.

        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Friday August 25 2017, @06:08PM (4 children)

          by DeathMonkey (1380) on Friday August 25 2017, @06:08PM (#559031) Journal

          Yep, you got that right. So, let's track down all of those leftists bastards who were protesting the protestors, and kill them, then bomb their villages.

          I'm going to bookmark this one for the next time you claim to support free-speech.

          • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday August 25 2017, @11:24PM (2 children)

            by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday August 25 2017, @11:24PM (#559146) Journal

            Throwing bricks and bottles is free speech now?

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 26 2017, @04:44AM (1 child)

              by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 26 2017, @04:44AM (#559289)

              All of them were throwing bricks and bottles?

              • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday August 26 2017, @01:11PM

                by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Saturday August 26 2017, @01:11PM (#559418) Journal

                Sufficient numbers of them were assaulting the Nazis that the Nazis were justified in concluding that they were under assault.

                Have YOU ever faced a hostile crowd? Let me try to paint you a picture. There is "the crowd", there aren't "people". It's "the crowd", or "the mob". In my case, the crowd shouted and screamed in a language that I didn't understand. Few English words were spoken, or shouted, and they were all akin to "Yankee go home!" You face that beast, or you run from that beast - you don't reason with it. If you are hit with one rock, you don't search for "a person" to react to. You react to the beast.

                If you have never been in some similar situation, then I suggest that you aren't qualified to judge the reaction of the guy who drove his car into the crowd.

                I strongly suspect that those people who are members here, who are most qualified to judge this guy, are probably black people. And, lily-white liberals with a political agenda are among the least qualified.

          • (Score: 2, Troll) by SanityCheck on Saturday August 26 2017, @02:45AM

            by SanityCheck (5190) on Saturday August 26 2017, @02:45AM (#559249)

            Oh when hate-speech is violence, then violence is free speech! Got it man! Thnx Mr. Orwell! Can't wait till these Communists are introduced to some Free Speech next time!

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @06:52PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @06:52PM (#559067)

        Again, "kill their families and bomb their villages again".

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 26 2017, @04:39AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 26 2017, @04:39AM (#559286)

        Nazis are bad. It's also bad to throw stuff at them, if they are just marching. See, both sides.

        The US isn't Germany in the 1930s, where political street-battles were common.

    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @12:43PM (9 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @12:43PM (#558832)

      Anyway, I've never understood the criticism of Trump's remarks about Charlottesville.

      Oh, almost everyone of us understand it. [twitter.com] Trump condemned both sides as you should do when in a position of authority and disciplining children (or adults behaving like children). The result is a childish temper tantrum by people upset that they cannot cynically exploit a tragic death to spin a false narrative with which to smear Trump. I don't particularly like Trump but for each hysterical attempt at smearing him through the media, I dislike him less.

      • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday August 25 2017, @03:28PM (1 child)

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday August 25 2017, @03:28PM (#558902) Journal

        Insightful - but I'm out of mod points.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @08:02PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @08:02PM (#559092)

          Insightful - but I'm out of mod points.

          Well, you shouldn't have wasted all your points mod-bombing aristarchus!

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @04:53PM (5 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @04:53PM (#558963)

        You seriously consider Trump to be the adult in the room? You just disqualified yourself from sane adult conversation.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @06:26PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @06:26PM (#559044)

          Thank you, Official Arbiter of Sane, Adult Conversations.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @06:39PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @06:39PM (#559057)

            You're welcome "there are many sides" ostrich.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @08:17PM (2 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @08:17PM (#559097)

          You seriously consider Trump to be the adult in the room?

          You are not the first person to have used that exact phrase.

          You just disqualified yourself from sane adult conversation.

          Even a stopped clock tells the correct time twice a day. Adults are humans with the intellectual and emotional maturity to agree or disagree with one another on a range of issues without spitting their dummy out. If you can condemn James Fields whilst ignoring 18 months of political violence from the alt-left, you are a moral hypocrite.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @08:32PM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @08:32PM (#559104)

            Last time someone trotted out this "fact" some other patient person compiled a list of all the violence from conservatives and it tallied way higher. Yes, this political nightmare has caused an uptick in violence from every political spectrum, but you can't ignore that violence from Trumpettes is significantly higher.

            Both "sides" are not equal, the alt-right is way more violent.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 26 2017, @10:12AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 26 2017, @10:12AM (#559374)

              Last time someone trotted out this "fact" some other patient person compiled a list of all the violence from conservatives and it tallied way higher.

              I've never seen any such list.

              Yes, this political nightmare has caused an uptick in violence from every political spectrum, but you can't ignore that violence from Trumpettes is significantly higher.

              I must have missed Obama being pressured to condemn and disavow BLM violence and most of the documented violence is coming from the alt-left. This did not start with Trump and it's not a game to see which side is more violent. Sane people condemn it no matter which 'side' it emanates from.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @11:58PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @11:58PM (#559165)

        Appending: [youtube.com] with commentary but more of the same exchange.

    • (Score: 4, Disagree) by vux984 on Friday August 25 2017, @05:24PM (7 children)

      by vux984 (5045) on Friday August 25 2017, @05:24PM (#558992)

      Anyway, I've never understood the criticism of Trump's remarks about Charlottesville.

      Wow. Really.

      There were idiots in pseudo-Nazi uniforms parading around on one side. On the other side, there were progressives looking for a fight, who started the violence.

      Both sides were spoiling for a fight. But only one side murdered anyone. If the car incident hadn't happened Trumps remarks would have been pretty fair. But the car incident changes everything. And the fact that I have to spell this out for you is more likely a sign that you don't want to have an honest conversation than that it is a sign you 'really never understood'.

      Trump comes out and says that everyone carries some of the blame for the mess. Not seeing where that statement should be a problem...

      One side, thought the other side was inferior, and should have fewer rights, and escalated the violence to murder. The side that was murdered, on the other hand was protesting for their right to exist and be treated as equals.
      And you can't see a problem with creating a moral equivalence between them because of some really low level confrontational activity done by both sides?

      Reminds me of the time my daughter killed my son in a woodchipper; it was a sad day, but my son was being kind of irritating... wouldn't stop touching her dolls, knocking them over, yelling at her about his right to be there. Of course, she was yelling too, calling him sub-human, arranging the dolls as a lynch mob around him to threaten him, with signs on them that he was an accident or adopted, and should be sent away etc. So there was misbehavior going on many sides, many sides. Obviously I condemn what my daughter did, but they both carry the blame for this mess, right?

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @05:46PM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @05:46PM (#559009)

        1 person doesn't equal a full side. Had all the white supremacists charged the other group and tried to shoot or club them to death (remember lots of people had weapons) then your argument would have a point. But it was only one person who killed another. Tons of people on both sides were they simply to fight each other. That's why groups have rallies at the same time, so you can overpower the people you don't like. Two groups screaming at each other never gets your message across. Anyone going to counter-rallies happening at the same time as the other rally should be held partially to blame for whatever happens.

        Too many people have lost all sense of scale.

        Don't even get me started on all the anti-haters hating haters.

        • (Score: 5, Insightful) by edIII on Friday August 25 2017, @07:22PM (1 child)

          by edIII (791) on Friday August 25 2017, @07:22PM (#559076)

          Yet only one of those sides was on yelling on the Internet, MSM, and to anybody that would listen that they would, "kill all those people if they had to".

          I'm no fan of BLM and AntiFa, but the moral equiavalency bullshit has to stop. One side are a bunch of young foolish protesters with some good causes under their belts corrupted by stupidity, intolerance, and an astounding level of ignorance about free speech, our history, or the value of our history and heritage. The other side has been gathering like this for well over 100 years, and deaths WERE COMMON. Need I remind you about the lynchings in the South? Yes, the "left" massively piss me off with their stupidity of not letting Milo speak and giving a reenactment of the Lord of the Flies for all us to watch. That being said, they're not possessing of a very bloody, angry, and storied history of intimidating and killing niggers because they're allegedly inferior, and that's their own words.

          The White Supremacy movement that came to Charleston, came there fully well knowing there was going to be violence, and claimed many times they would commit murder during the proceedings. Say what you will about the left, but I've not received any phamplets, notices, email chains, etc. going on and on about how we were going to show up to the protest ready to kill White Supremacists. Again, this is not out of character for them. Neither movement is what I would term peaceful, but sure as fuck, the White Supremacists and the KKK are anything but peaceful, and are instead of a bunch of murderous thugs, and have been for over 100 years.

          Then there is moral equivalency, and then taking it further saying, "there are fine people on both sides". Nope. No there isn't. Maybe on the BLM/AntiFa side there is a foolish person helping them because they care about police reform, and they might be "fine people", but there sure as fuck are NO FINE PEOPLE on the Nazi White Supremacy side of the street. That's pants-on-head retarded to state as a fact. He massively fucked up there.

          I would have had some respect from Trump if he simply came out and stated that everybody there were lawless morons and the cops should've been free to do more. Not a great statement, but at least it's not directly stating that some White Supremacists are fine people.

          So all the moral equivalency people can suck my dick. One side straight up murdered somebody, and tried murdering about a dozen more, and it wasn't a shock or a surprise. White Supremacists have been murdering people in this country for so long, that some of them can state it as a career with a straight face.

          Your point about showing up to counter rallies though is spot-on. I wouldn't show up to one unless the organizers were eschewing violence of any kind, prohibiting shields and weapons, were permitted, etc. and, oh...... just maybe.... the other side was not riled up retarded, violent, backwards, White Supremacist assholes. Seriously, does anybody every expect that a group of organized skin heads and Nazi fuckers are going to have a peaceful anything?

          There were stupid people on all sides. Not fine people, just stupid people.

          --
          Technically, lunchtime is at any moment. It's just a wave function.
          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @09:21PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @09:21PM (#559116)

            but the moral equiavalency bullshit has to stop.

            Agreed...

            • https://stream.org/homeless-trump-supporter-attacked/
            • https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/09/us/dallas-police-shooting.html?mcubz=0
            • https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/congressional-baseball-gunman-had-list-gop-lawmakers-names-n773571
            • http://www.berkeleyside.com/2017/05/26/eric-clanton-charged-four-counts-assault-deadly-weapon/
            • http://www.berkeleyside.com/2017/07/19/berkeley-middle-school-teacher-yvette-felarca-arrested-charges-inciting-riot/
            • http://www.metro.us/news/local-news/philadelphia/philly-antifa-woman-charged-allegedly-striking-police-horse

            ...not to mention the media's "punch a nazi" meme when Antifa are screaming "nazi" at every Trump supporter they see. I'm not surprised at Charlottesville, I'm surprised a murder didn't happen sooner. [theguardian.com]

      • (Score: 2) by edIII on Friday August 25 2017, @07:25PM

        by edIII (791) on Friday August 25 2017, @07:25PM (#559079)

        Congratulations on one of the most fucked up, yet spot-on analogies I've seen here. You could've made it better by saying your son was run over by a car, hence working in the car analogy, but it wouldn't be better by much :)

        --
        Technically, lunchtime is at any moment. It's just a wave function.
      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 26 2017, @04:45AM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 26 2017, @04:45AM (#559290)

        So one crazy killer transfers guilt to everyone on his side? Muslims might disagree.

        • (Score: 2) by vux984 on Saturday August 26 2017, @06:22AM (1 child)

          by vux984 (5045) on Saturday August 26 2017, @06:22AM (#559318)

          So one crazy killer transfers guilt to everyone on his side? Muslims might disagree.

          Are the neo-nazis and white supremecists all denouncing the event? Virtually all Muslims denounce the actions of the extremists.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 26 2017, @07:30AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 26 2017, @07:30AM (#559333)

            Virtually no muslims will denounce the extremists. Some few of them may say things about specific actions, "horror, tragedy, terrible loss of life, etc" but they will not denounce the actual thugs involved.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @06:16PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 25 2017, @06:16PM (#559037)

      Anyway, I've never understood the criticism of Trump's remarks about Charlottesville.

      Well, duh! Of course you didn't! You are the problem?

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