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posted by Fnord666 on Sunday October 29, @05:40AM   Printer-friendly
from the We-have-always-been-at-war-with-Eurasia dept.

The last step to render I:8:11 a dead letter is currently being debated in a federal appeal.

Trump Justice Department: Wars are off limits to court review

A Trump administration attorney said Friday that federal courts cannot evaluate whether a president is waging an illegal war, even if the war clearly has no grounding in a congressional authorization of force and someone directly impacted sues.

The claim was made during oral arguments in an appeal filed by Nathan Michael Smith, a now-former Army intelligence analyst who sued last year claiming former President Barack Obama was illegally fighting Islamic State terrorists without an authorization for use of military force, or AUMF, from Congress.

[...] "What if the president were to initiate hostilities with a nation or organization that wasn't plausibly within these AUMFs, would that be subject to review?" Griffith asked.

"No, I think, is the short answer. No," said Thomas Byron, an experienced Justice Department attorney.


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  • (Score: 2, Flamebait) by idiot_king on Sunday October 29, @05:42AM (14 children)

    by idiot_king (6587) on Sunday October 29, @05:42AM (#588942)

    So much for impeachment, he'll just sic the National Guard on any dissenters' asses!
    All hail Emperor Trump! Long live the Racist In Charge! (Please don't kill me, I have family that depends on me (unlike YOU))

    • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 29, @05:59AM (13 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 29, @05:59AM (#588945)

      The weird thing about Trump is that all his deranged haters manage to be even more dislikeable than he is. Case in point.

      • (Score: 5, Insightful) by idiot_king on Sunday October 29, @06:25AM (11 children)

        by idiot_king (6587) on Sunday October 29, @06:25AM (#588956)

        People who hate racism, bigotry, sexism, classicism, chauvinism, Islamophobia, homophobia, transphobia, and the like are all more dislikeable than Trump?

        I'll let the KKK know that the next time I stop by a rally. I'm sure they'd love a colored man such as myself walking up to them to let them know that the Left are the real racists, unlike them.

        • (Score: 0, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 29, @06:38AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 29, @06:38AM (#588959)

          People hate those who get their "-isms" everywhere. It's gross keep it in your pants.
          You're having so many "-isms" you don't even know how to spell them, and as a result needed a spell-checker for your post (which corrected to something entirely unrelated).

        • (Score: 3, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 29, @10:56AM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 29, @10:56AM (#588987)

          People who hate (list of everything and the kitchen sink) are all more dislikeable than Trump?

          YES
          Because what they really hate is other humans. And what they really do, is as much damage as they can, to anyone who can't deal damage back (be it a designated acceptable target, or just a convenient victim).
          These are bullies who made bullying their adult occupation. They are as disgusting as they are destructive.

        • (Score: 4, Insightful) by shortscreen on Sunday October 29, @11:11AM (5 children)

          by shortscreen (2252) Subscriber Badge on Sunday October 29, @11:11AM (#588996) Journal

          People have been saying that Trump is racist every second of every day, all year long. What exactly are you accomplishing by doing this, when it isn't even on topic?

          TFA is about war. Now please tell me which you believe is worse: war, or bigotry and blah, blah, blah? Is it OK to bomb people as long one doesn't say the 'n' word while doing so? OK to invade countries as long as it's for oil and not because they have a different religion?

          There is no shortage of people claiming to oppose bigotry, but the wars continue with hardly a word against them. One of these things costs trillions of dollars and could literally end humanity, but you apparently felt the need to talk about the KKK instead. Why is that?

          • (Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 29, @12:31PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 29, @12:31PM (#589015)

            Because accusing someone of bigotry has been the go-to tactic for the Control Left for a generation or two. They can't be bothered to try to debate his stances, so they've decided that the Democrat party platform is that Trump is bad 'cuz Trump.

            Of course, given that Bernie supporters loved Trump's tax plan when they were told Bernie was the one who came up with it [freebeacon.com], it's questionable just how much of an actual debate they could come up with in the first place.

          • (Score: 4, Insightful) by http on Sunday October 29, @02:46PM (1 child)

            by http (1920) on Sunday October 29, @02:46PM (#589042)

            If you think the wars are continuing with "hardly a word against them" you're living in an echo chamber so small you couldn't fit your Audi in it, and I honestly can't think of how to help you aside from (a) start getting some news from a country not your own, and (b) start listening to people not in your economic class.

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            • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Arik on Sunday October 29, @04:58PM

              by Arik (4543) on Sunday October 29, @04:58PM (#589103)
              "If you think the wars are continuing with "hardly a word against them" you're living in an echo chamber so small you couldn't fit your Audi in it"

              Or else he's living in America. Where both major parties and the mainstream media adhere to a consensus on all important issues, including that war is really good and we need more of it, and dissent is carefully muffled and suppressed.
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              "Unix? These savages aren't even circumcised!"
          • (Score: 0, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 29, @05:31PM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 29, @05:31PM (#589135)

            Not on topic?? The president of the United States in 2017 is a bigoted piece of entitled crap, and pointing it out is "off topic" and relentless? Such strawman, much stupid.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 30, @02:36AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 30, @02:36AM (#589315)

              Such strawman, much stupid.

              Yes, it is stupid when people criticize a strawman, and then claim they're criticizing Trump. It is unfortunate, but this is essentially the Democrat party's platform now.

        • (Score: 5, Funny) by realDonaldTrump on Sunday October 29, @11:55AM

          by realDonaldTrump (6614) Subscriber Badge on Sunday October 29, @11:55AM (#589009) Homepage Journal

          I think there is blame on both sides. You look at both sides. I think there is blame on both sides. You have some very bad people in that group. You also have some very fine people on both sides. The classicists and anti-classicists, I call them Anticla.

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        • (Score: 0, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 29, @01:52PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 29, @01:52PM (#589033)

          People who hate racism, bigotry, sexism, classicism, chauvinism, Islamophobia, homophobia, transphobia, and the like are all more dislikeable than Trump?

          Considering they usually replace hatred of a specific group with hatred of individualism and anyone or anything that may disagree with them, and are willing to use their own brand of oppression to impose their viewpoints on others? Including attempting to crush freedom of speech, unless it is speech they approve of? I'm gonna say yes, very much so.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 29, @05:08PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 29, @05:08PM (#589115)

        I like to imagine that people such as yourself are just trolling for lulz, but sadly I've seen too many examples otherwise.

        MUH OPPRESSION!@!

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 29, @06:14AM (10 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 29, @06:14AM (#588950)

    So Regan, bush . Clinton, bush, Obama, trump are all war criminals at least as bad as Milosevic so domestic violence must exceed real violence from external actors so it must be invented

    • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday October 29, @12:44PM (7 children)

      I agree that Congress badly needs to take back the power to decide we need to run around blowing people up but your approach to convincing anyone of it is at best impotent and at worst counterproductive.

      Please stop using the word "sociopath". It loses impact and meaning when you use it for everyone you disagree with. We already have words for that which are much more effective at expressing your displeasure with someone and do not suffer from overuse; shithead, asshole, cock-biting fucktard, etc...

      Get over the hyperbole as well. When you call everyone "literally Hitler", the same thing as above happens.

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      • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 29, @04:16PM (6 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 29, @04:16PM (#589076)

        Medically, sociopathy is termed as antisocial personality disorder. It is defined as "a mental health condition in which a person has a long-term pattern of manipulating, exploiting, or violating the rights of others."

        There is no mistake here, you're an asshole as usual trying to water down everything because you are apparently an ignoramus that does not like "big elitist words". Sociopath now applies to a massive percentage of US citizens, it is pretty much baked into our society.

    • (Score: 2) by HiThere on Sunday October 29, @05:36PM

      by HiThere (866) on Sunday October 29, @05:36PM (#589138)

      You are being silly to claim all such offenses are equal. However...

      This is another example of how BOTH of the major parties promote centralization of power. The may disagree about details (not certain how much of that is PR), but on many of the most important issues their stance is identical.

      Please note, having an identical stance doesn't mean it's either right or wrong. It means that choosing between them on the basis of those issues is less meaningful than flipping a coin.

      That said, the Democrats generally seem more concerned that their public image is of the party that helps people in general, especially the less powerful. They don't always do it, but they try to at least project that image. And their promises aren't usually transparently false. (I'm not saying they don't lie a lot, I'm saying you usually need to work to show it.)

      OTOH, IIRC more troops have been committed to foreign actions under Democrats than under Republicans. The Republicans bluster more, but (IIRC) are slightly less war-monger. And it's the Democrats that push the eternally extended copyright.

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      Put not your faith in princes.
    • (Score: 3, Informative) by Thexalon on Sunday October 29, @06:19PM

      by Thexalon (636) Subscriber Badge on Sunday October 29, @06:19PM (#589150) Homepage

      I'm not sure about "As bad as Milosevic": They've definitely committed war crimes per Nuremberg and the International Tribunal for the Far East, but have not attempted (as far as I currently know) genocide.

      My views may be skewed, however, by befriending in my youth a family who had managed to escape Srebrenica.

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      If you act on pie in the sky, you're likely to get pie in the face.
  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by BsAtHome on Sunday October 29, @09:45AM

    by BsAtHome (889) on Sunday October 29, @09:45AM (#588975)

    Of course all wars are beyond review. There is no war where you are looking. We are simply field-testing our newest weapons and congress has approved those tests. There is nothing wrong here. We have never declared war on anybody for a long time. Didn't you know, we've always been at war with Drugs.

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