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posted by Fnord666 on Friday December 01 2017, @05:52AM   Printer-friendly
from the more-secret-negotiations-violate-democracy dept.

NAFTA's Digital Trade chapter could be finalized next month all before the public has seen a single word of it. The fifth round of re-negotiations for NAFTA (North American Free Trade Agreement) finished last week in Mexico and the Digital Trade section might be forced through, unseen by the public, during the next round on December 11th in Washington, DC.

The fifth round of negotiations over a modernized North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) wound up last week in Mexico. Following conclusion of the round, Mexican Trade Minister Ildefonso Guajardo told reporters that he hoped that the next round, to be held in Washington, DC in the week of 11 December, could see sufficient progress made that the agreement's Digital Trade chapter could be closed... all before the public has seen a single word of it.


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  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 01 2017, @06:29AM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 01 2017, @06:29AM (#603823)

    I hope they can break DNS once and for all. Make it unusable, and force the engineers to give up something that is really P2P, untrackable, unblockable, uncensorable... Then we don't have to worry about no silly old NATFA

    • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 01 2017, @06:43AM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 01 2017, @06:43AM (#603824)

      The small animal formerly known as my nutsack became a scrunchie in reply.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 01 2017, @08:11AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 01 2017, @08:11AM (#603831)

        A good thing you shaved it before

  • (Score: 3, Informative) by Arik on Friday December 01 2017, @08:28AM (8 children)

    by Arik (4543) on Friday December 01 2017, @08:28AM (#603833)
    I'd just like to point out that, despite the deceptive name, this has nothing whatsoever to do with free trade.

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    "If Evolution Is Outlawed, Only Outlaws Will Evolve."
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 01 2017, @09:05AM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 01 2017, @09:05AM (#603838)

      You mean like pretty much every other trade agreement ironed out in secrecy has been in the last decade or so? Color me surprised.

      • (Score: 2) by Arik on Friday December 01 2017, @10:01AM

        by Arik (4543) on Friday December 01 2017, @10:01AM (#603848)
        "You mean like pretty much every other trade agreement ironed out in secrecy has been in the last decade or so?"

        All of them, without exception.

        If you really hate free trade but the public loves it, what do you?

        Call your protectionism 'free trade.' Stick it in the title.

        After a few decades of getting screwed by 'free trade' those nasty little people won't want it anymore.

        Free trade isn't something you write a treaty or an agreement for, that should be the first red flag.
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        "If Evolution Is Outlawed, Only Outlaws Will Evolve."
    • (Score: 2) by canopic jug on Friday December 01 2017, @09:48AM (3 children)

      by canopic jug (3949) on Friday December 01 2017, @09:48AM (#603845)

      I'd just like to point out that, despite the deceptive name, this has nothing whatsoever to do with free trade.

      And, being developed in near-total secrecy, it has nothing whatsoever to do with an agreement. It's just a corporate scam and elected officials should shoot down such sectretive proposals as soon as they are presented, just based on principle alone. However, I expect that instead we'll hear more pleas from the officials to vote to pass the proposals so that they can "see what's in it".

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      Money is not free speech. Elections should not be auctions.
      • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Thexalon on Friday December 01 2017, @01:23PM (2 children)

        by Thexalon (636) on Friday December 01 2017, @01:23PM (#603882) Homepage

        elected officials should shoot down such sectretive proposals as soon as they are presented, just based on principle alone

        What principle? The only principles it seems a majority of elected officials have is "for sale to the highest bidder"!

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        A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of bad gravy.
        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 01 2017, @02:57PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 01 2017, @02:57PM (#603913)

          US style democracy: one dollar one vote

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 01 2017, @06:01PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 01 2017, @06:01PM (#603984)

            Sung to the the Guess Who's, No Time

                  There's no democracy left for you
                  No democracy left for youoouuuuu,

                  On our way to plu-toc-racy

            Ah who am i kidding, we're already there and been there for a long time, never mind.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 01 2017, @06:13PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 01 2017, @06:13PM (#603989)

      I'd just like to point out that, despite the deceptive name, this has nothing whatsoever to do with free trade.

      Not that it's anything new.

      • The Patriot Act
      • Right to Work Laws
      • Citizens United
      • Defense of Marriage Act
      • The Internet Freedom Act

      .
      I'm not sure how much this proves our (the US's) absolute ignorant gullibility or absolute corruption, probably both.

    • (Score: 2) by dry on Saturday December 02 2017, @03:10AM

      by dry (223) on Saturday December 02 2017, @03:10AM (#604132)

      Of course it has to do with free trade. As usual, American corporations get what they want for free.

  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by crafoo on Friday December 01 2017, @01:05PM

    by crafoo (6639) Subscriber Badge on Friday December 01 2017, @01:05PM (#603877)

    Corporations are people, so in essence the "correct" people have seen what is inside this trade agreement. Our political system is primarily for corporate-people. Human-people are simply resources to be mined by corporate-people.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 02 2017, @12:12AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 02 2017, @12:12AM (#604106)

    Perot was right. NAFTA has been killing jobs for ages.

    It's weird that NAFTA gets regularly renegotiated. Whatever happens may get undone later.

    The best we can hope for is that NAFTA gets cut back a bit. This'll be a mixed bag. Trump being Trump, it'll probably be much less bad for the economy. Maybe some "digital trade" tariff will go toward a wall. In the end though, it's still NAFTA.

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