As reported by The Huffington Post:
New rules implemented on Twitter Monday have led to the suspensions of accounts belonging to prominent neo-Nazis, white nationalists and other far-right extremists.
[...] "You may not make specific threats of violence or wish for the serious physical harm, death, or disease of an individual or group of people," states Twitter's rule for "violent extremist groups," which went into effect Monday.
"This includes, but is not limited to, threatening or promoting terrorism," the rule continues. "You also may not affiliate with organizations that – whether by their own statements or activity both on and off the platform – use or promote violence against civilians to further their causes."
[...] The "alt-right ― a loose association of neo-Nazis, white nationalists, assorted racists, fascists, and other far-right elements that has used Twitter for years to organize and recruit ― anticipated today's "purge," with many preparing to make the jump to Gab, a largely rules-free micro-blogging platform used primarily by white nationalists.
Related: Twitter: Our Blue Check Marks Aren't Just About "Verification"
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A Twitter rules update rolled out on Wednesday to address the site's "verification" system, and it attached a new set of standards to any user whose account receives a "blue check mark."
Twitter's "verification" system is used to confirm accounts of celebrities and other accounts of "public interest." However, the feature has long straddled a blurry line between identity confirmation and "elite" user status, especially since verified accounts receive heightened visibility and perks such as content filters. That issue returned to the headlines last week when Twitter gave a blue check mark to white nationalist Jason Kessler. Kessler is best known as an organizer of the Unite The Right white-supremacist rally, but before then, he had racked up a significant record of online hate propagation, particularly with anti-Semitic rhetoric about "cultural Marxism."
"Twitter on Wednesday removed the 'verification' checkmarks from the accounts of a number of white nationalists and far-right activists -- in a move that critics say could have a chilling effect on free speech." http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2017/11/16/twitter-targets-white-nationalists-and-far-right-activists-in-de-verification-purge.html
(Score: 5, Insightful) by frojack on Tuesday December 19 2017, @11:02PM (60 children)
Antifa and other window smashing may-day ragers certainly would never need worry about being included.
No, you are mistaken. I've always had this sig.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by looorg on Tuesday December 19 2017, @11:25PM (6 children)
Naturally they still have their twitter account active. They are the "good" guys, even tho they have a massive banner image on top that says "The only good Fascist is a dead one!", and they are all dressed up in standard AFA outfits with skimasks or hoods. Still not enough apparently. So I would assume it's a fairly safe bet that there is some kind of massive double standard going on here. Then we have the fuckton of various islamic groups that want to murder all the jews they can find and don't mind telling you about it in tweet after tweet, still there to. Then there are all the various gangs, crooks and hoods that are ever present there -- it's almost funny to try and count how many 1% MC Clubs that have twitter accounts. The amount of hammer and sickle people are scarey, they all represent an ideology that wants armed rebellion and uprising and mass-murder on an epic scale.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 19 2017, @11:37PM
Be afraid! Be very Afraid! Pansy! Don't you know that "commies under your bed" is so, like, your Grandparents paranoia? Today, or yesterday, it was all "Terrorists", under your bed, in your subway, you know, the standard "be very afraid" stuff. And even right now, it is not so much the anti-fascists you have to worry about, unless you are actually a fascist! And if you actually are a fascist, at least you do not have to worry about law enforcement. That should make up for being Twitter banned, no?
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Grishnakh on Wednesday December 20 2017, @01:17AM (2 children)
Naturally they still have their twitter account active. They are the "good" guys, even tho they have a massive banner image on top that says "The only good Fascist is a dead one!"
Then we have the fuckton of various islamic groups that want to murder all the jews they can find and don't mind telling you about it in tweet after tweet, still there to.
Citation needed. (Not saying you're wrong, but I'd like to see for myself.)
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Reziac on Wednesday December 20 2017, @02:20AM
First thing I came to, not precisely what you asked about (I don't use the dirty bird enough to know how to effectively search it, but I've seen screenshots of kill-the-Jews-in-the-name-of-Islam type posts), but interesting for the numbers:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-31760126 [bbc.com]
"Islamic State has become well known for its use of social media, especially Twitter, to propagate its message.
The study, called The Isis Twitter Census, was written by JM Berger of Brookings and Jonathon Morgan, a technologist."
http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/research/files/papers/2015/03/isis-twitter-census-berger-morgan/isis_twitter_census_berger_morgan.pdf [brookings.edu]
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 20 2017, @02:52AM
Well here are a few...
https://twitter.com/hashtag/KillAllWhitePeople [twitter.com]
https://twitter.com/hashtag/killallwhitemen [twitter.com]
But that's not "hate speech," according to Twitter, or they would have removed it all and banned the associated accounts.
(Score: 2, Interesting) by jmorris on Wednesday December 20 2017, @01:28AM (1 child)
So don't bitch about it, join Operation Tittietwister. If you still have a live twitter account you log in, pick someone, prog, cuck republican, random cat lady, doesn't matter, and start keyword searching their timeline. The new rules don't have a time limit so find where they post something that could possibly be objectionable. Hint: almost every user has. Then REPORT THEM. The only solution is to double down, make them ban thousands and thousands of accounts. Overwhelm their ability to task upper level peeps to the reports and let low level contract minions have to ban or suspend. Btw, this op is currently ongoing and is actually bearing fruit. Some are working solo, others are brigading to mass report targeted accounts. Make everyone terrified to post for fear of being banned.
Another op is gearing up to wage lawfare on twitter's users and advertisers. Since they are now openly bigoted against identifiable groups of users AND openly political there are many options for lawfare here. Government agencies with twitter accounts? Oh hell no, there are laws against that! Do you know you are advertising on a bigoted platform?
(Score: 1) by iru on Wednesday December 20 2017, @04:04AM
Desire to know more intensifies.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 19 2017, @11:28PM (42 children)
Well you won't find any argument from me or probably many other liberal types on here. The double standard is fucked, very likely just another salvo in the culture wars.
(Score: 2) by bob_super on Wednesday December 20 2017, @12:01AM (41 children)
Triple Stadard, please: There's the violent extremists from the right (Boo! Out!), from the left (Yuck!), and then the Orange one (UNLIMITED TWEETS!!!!!)
(Score: 3, Insightful) by wisnoskij on Wednesday December 20 2017, @12:14AM (40 children)
The Alt-right (by definition) is just a group of people who voted wrong. I am not saying none of them are violent, but I have never heard any any popular organization/talking head who ever promoted violence and they are far down the statistics ladder on violence compared to ISIS affiliated people and far-left terrorists. Anti-fa openly calls for the death and assault of wide swaths of the population of America; Their is nothing ambiguous on the stance on violence.
(Score: 4, Informative) by Grishnakh on Wednesday December 20 2017, @01:20AM (34 children)
The Alt-right (by definition) is just a group of people who voted wrong. I am not saying none of them are violent, but I have never heard any any popular organization/talking head who ever promoted violence
The way I remember it, the alt-right people in Charlottesville were armed with assault rifles, used violence to push past other protesters (many of whom were religious types), and one of them drove his car into a group of protesters, murdering a woman.
The antifa people at the event had no guns and according to the reports I read, simply attempted to hold a protest line. And they certainly didn't murder anyone. The alt-right did.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 20 2017, @01:47AM
Take your fake news away and join in a chorus of Amazing Grace to keep the Trump truth train a chuggin!
(Score: 3, Informative) by wisnoskij on Wednesday December 20 2017, @01:55AM (3 children)
That is nonsense, where do you get your facts. It is well documents that the originators of that alt-right event continually called for non-violence. Antifa openly admits that they went to the alt-right event to assault the alt-righters. There is no equivalence there.
You cannot murder by accidentally scaring someone into a heart attack
(Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 20 2017, @08:11AM
Or driving a car into them. And yes, the Jews broke their windows too, right??
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 20 2017, @04:30PM (1 child)
Untrue:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/bank-robber-larry-whitfeld-murder-rap-scared-79-year-old-grandmother-mary-parnell-death-article-1.420586 [nydailynews.com]
That article claims they charged him with Murder 1, but I thought this was a textbook case of Murder 3.
(Score: 2) by Immerman on Wednesday December 20 2017, @05:07PM
I didn't read the article, but if he didn't intend to kill her wouldn't that be Murder 4 / involuntary manslaughter? Murder 3 is voluntary manslaughter (at least here in the US), aka a crime of passion murder, which means they did intend to kill the person in the moment, but hadn't planned on it, and committed the act under such circumstances that would "cause a reasonable person to become emotionally or mentally disturbed"
(Score: 4, Informative) by jmorris on Wednesday December 20 2017, @02:11AM (21 children)
But you are a lying moron. Pretty much every word of your description is so wrong it ain't a mistake. The word that best fits is LIE.
And again kids, what is the First Law of SJW? SJWs Always Lie. Not usually, not sometimes, ALWAYS.
This is lying by omission. It IS true the Unite the Right people were armed. Virgina allows open carry so this isn't a problem. What you failed to note is that even under the heaviest incitement the Government and Antifa could muster they maintained absolutely perfect fire discipline. Not a single round was released by any of the Unite the Right people, even as it became clear the government had set them up in a trap, even as antifa maimed some of them with ghetto flame throwers and some sort of chemical attack that caused one man permanent eye damage. They held their fire because they understood the danger. The State of Virgina (Democreep gov tied to the Clintons of course) had the National Guard mustered to the North of the park ready to swoop in and massacre the lot of them at the first sound of gunfire.
Now lets examine a few facts you again lied by omitting. Unite the Right had obeyed the law, purchased a permit to hold an event in the park, paid to setup a stage, PA system etc. They had provided plenty of notice to the local government and coordinated with them in good faith as to security arrangements. Antifa did none of these things, had no permit, was blocking a public street, etc. The police were obviously on Antifa's side and equally obviously under orders from both the city and State government to execute the actions they took. What the police did was, at the last minute, declare the event an "unlawful assembly" because of the presence of Antfa and order everyone to disperse. Instead of doing things by the normal book, and dispersing the two groups in different directions to prevent conflict they did the exact opposite. They formed a line and forced the Unite the Right people South, directly into the waiting (and obviously coordinated) arms of Antifa. All of these facts can be found in the official after action report and have so far resulted in the Chief of Police resigning and it is expected that resignations in the State Police are next.
Nope. And Antifa is Communist so lets not pretend there were any "religious types" in that crowd of misfits.
You are batting 1000 here. Nope, that guy would have been at Unite the Right but showed up late, after they had been ordered to disperse. He drove into a crowd of Antifa and they set upon his car with ball bats and iron bars. This is of course an unwise course of action, people that situation will tend to feel their life expectancy outside the car to be zero and tend to push the gas to get the hell outta dodge. Which is of course what happened and many protesters failed the Dodge Challenger challenge and went flying hither and yon. But he didn't kill the one bitch that died. Don't believe me, go search NBC's video archive and you can watch her own mother in glorious HD explain how her daughter had a heart attack. Paramedics couldn't get her heart restarted because she was too effing fat.
Andrew Anglin used these facts in a hate filled but also very humorous post on the Daily Stormer, which event triggered the whole controversy with keeping a domain name registered more than a few weeks that is still ongoing.
Because I'm feeling assholish I'm linking Dailystormer [dailystormer.red]. But from there you can follow the links to MSM versions and you can watch the NBC video.
(Score: 5, Informative) by coolgopher on Wednesday December 20 2017, @02:45AM (3 children)
Uh... you can't really argue that he didn't unprovoked drive into a bunch of protesters, which had the direct result of one person dying and several injured. Whether the protesters where antifa nutters, alt-right nutters, religious nutters or any other variety of nutter (or even non-nutter) doesn't change the fact that the driving nutter is a cold-blooded asshat who is a menace to civilized society. I mean, have you even looked at a video [youtube.com]?!
As for the defence of "[his car was] set upon with ball bats and iron bars"; after someone's maliciously run people over that's a lame fucking ass excuse of a defence. You live by the sword you die by the fucking sword. I would morally have no problem with him being lynched then and there in response to his action. And I'd say the same if the roles were reversed and the driver was antifa and the crowd alt-right. It's fucked up, that's what it is. Sides don't play into that part.
(Score: 1, Troll) by wisnoskij on Wednesday December 20 2017, @03:32AM (1 child)
Very little is proven or even known about the incident. A car hit some people, and an onlooker died of a heart attack.
No one has of yet provided evidence of any intent (flight, accident, assault, murder). If the intent had been premeditated murder, cars are capable of driving fast enough to do so, which it clearly was not as the people he hit were only bruised.
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 20 2017, @07:52AM
Fuck man, a woman gets murdered and you downplay by saying some people only got bruised so its no big deal? Get the fuck out you propagandist shill / moron.
(Score: 2, Flamebait) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday December 20 2017, @05:07PM
Nor can you argue that Antifa staged an illegal, violent protest, with the result that a woman died. Paint it black, and your Antifa are just as black as anyone. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InRDF_0lfHk [youtube.com]
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 20 2017, @05:15AM (3 children)
And you, jmorris, are a moron lying. So now sod off, and go bate your master. No one here likes you, and no one reads you, if you get beyond 120 characters . . . . wait a minute!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 20 2017, @05:27PM
Wrong.
(Score: 2) by Tara Li on Wednesday December 20 2017, @09:32PM (1 child)
A second vote for *wrong*.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 21 2017, @10:04PM
A third vote for "right". *alt-right* is alt-wrong.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 20 2017, @05:56AM (10 children)
Do you understand what you just said? If it wasn't for the threat of massive retaliation you jackbooted thugs would have murdered people. And you wonder why people don't like your chosen group. It's all just a massive conspiracy against you, no waaaay that it's your group who is in the wrong.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 20 2017, @07:52AM (1 child)
Wait! From this entire post I cannot tell which jackbooted thugs we are talking about, except that it was not the Antifa. Right wing militia, who hold their fire, since fire would be, well, at least assault with a deadly weapon, or attempted thereof, or actual murder in America. And some cretian asshole unreconstructed fucking nazi lover here has the audacity to refer to this as "fire control"? Please, next time, pop off a few rounds, so we can see how the alt-right insurrection is going to play our. Remember, "The South will Lose Again!"
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday December 20 2017, @05:14PM
That is correct, lackwit. It is a great demonstration of fire control. When someone is swinging a club at your head, you are JUSTIFIED if you shoot him down. Life, asshole. Reality, asshole. Gt acquainted with it.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday December 20 2017, @05:12PM (7 children)
It is you who does not understand reality. The "jackbooted thugs" as you call them had every right in the world to start gunning down the communis/socialist/leftis/progressive bastards who were attacking them. The "jackbooted thugs" were smarter than your socialists. They understood that they had entered an ambush, and the olny way to survive that ambush, was to deny the socialists the expected reaction.
So - which side is more like Mahatma Ghandi, here? Not your socialists, that's for damned sure. Most likely, none of them had ever read a word that Ghandi said.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 20 2017, @05:22PM
FTFY, you anti-America traitor, Runaway!
(Score: 2) by bob_super on Wednesday December 20 2017, @06:01PM (5 children)
> had every right in the world to start gunning down
No.
Just no.
In a civilized world, you're entitled to a proportional response to the threat, if you cannot retreat and let/make the cops do their job.
Think of it that way: if you could mow down any threat, then the antifa idiots should have been allowed to open fire on the Nazi scumbags, just for being Nazi scumbags.
> communis[sic]/socialist/leftis[sic]/progressive bastards
As an old fart, how many people did you personally know who took up arms and risked their life to go kill some Nazis ? Would they slap you in the face for throwing every name you think is an insult to shame people who oppose extreme-right/Nazi-salute parades in your own country (not condoning the violence part of antifa, which is dumb)?
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday December 20 2017, @06:11PM (4 children)
No. Right back at you, no. This "proportional response" is nonsense. In any civilized world, you end a threat if possible. If not possible, then you retreat. Proportional response is nonsense. When a man swings a club at your head, you are not obliged to run from him, look back to see if he is still chasing you, run some more, look back again, and only shoot him if he chases you for a whole mile. The bastard swings a club at your head, you double tap his ass, and end the threat, immediately.
And, THAT is the situation in which those Nazi marchers found themselves. Except, as I have already noted, they were perfectly aware that they had marched into an ambush.
How many people I have known pesonally? Many. I even met some Jews who had survived the death camps. (Three who verified the fact, by showing me their tatoos) Slap me in the face? I hardly think so. Some, maybe most of them, would recognize Antifa as modern Brownshirts.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by bob_super on Wednesday December 20 2017, @07:38PM
Swinging a club at your head is "assault with a deadly weapon". Feel free to put a bullet in the idiot, but try not to hit bystanders, who could take umbrage if you didn't use an opportunity to retreat and de-escalate instead. (context is everything)
Threatening you with slogans and fists when you're holding an assault weapon is not a situation where you're likely to get sympathy from many people if you open fire.
Nazi sympathizers should always have the feeling they are marching into an ambush. They're fucking Nazis. Not oh-my-god-commies-are-a-threat-wait-no-they-collapsed idiots, full-blown racist-warmongering-holocaust-again assholes. I don't agree with the violence of AntiFa, though I agree with the need to confront Nazis anywhere they show up.
But you more than deserve that slap, for insulting those Holocaust survivors by saying they would equate violent anti-fascists with brownshirts or Holocaust supporters. The Resistance was probably the same as the Gestapo, right? Shame on you.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 20 2017, @07:53PM (2 children)
You are a dangerous imbecile, Runaway. You do not live in Florida. "Stand your ground" is only racist dogwhistle for cowardly ammosexuals like the child-killer Zimmerman. You have a duty to retreat. You are legally obligated to retreat. Frigging Russians pretending to be Arkansawsians!!
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday December 20 2017, @10:15PM
Runaway is an old, angry, impotent (in both senses of the word) asshole who peaked somewhere around age 13 in gym class and thinks having (so he tells us...) been in the armed forces for a while makes him every Tom Clancy protagonist ever written rolled into one. Sometimes it really is that simple. He's getting more and more unhinged day by day, and it really would not surprise me if he ended up committing murder-suicide at some point within the next few years.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday December 20 2017, @11:46PM
When I feel threatened, I'll shoot. If the DA wants to be an asshole, then I'll stand trial. No plea bargain, mind you, but a real trial. Twelve people will have to decide, unanimously, that I had some "duty to retreat".
(Score: 1, Troll) by Grishnakh on Wednesday December 20 2017, @05:44PM (1 child)
You're a lying racist piece of shit too, just like your buddy Runaway. The video was quite clear: he intentionally drove straight into protesters.
I sincerely hope you die in a fire too, you neo-Nazi asshole.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday December 20 2017, @11:48PM
Link to this video that "clearly shows" anything. The only videos I've seen are confusing herky jerky camera images that swing all over the place.
(Score: 3, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday December 20 2017, @04:02AM (4 children)
And, you're making stuff up, twice. The Charlottesville crowd weren't "alt-right", They were genuine Nazis and/or neonazis.
Secondly, the Nazis were attacked by your peaceful left crowd - physically attacked.
Oh - third. If they were armed with assault rifles, why is it that the guy drove his car over the communist bitch who died? Why didn't he just shoot her, and avoid damaging his car?
Your narrative needs a lot of work.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 20 2017, @04:32AM
Maybe that is because, quite literally, none of it is true? Don't be a useful idiot, Runaway. Just stay the Normal Arkansas idiot we all know and love.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Grishnakh on Wednesday December 20 2017, @05:41PM (2 children)
Neo-Nazis are a major part of the alt-right. Just ask Richard Spencer, and major alt-right leader and white supremacist.
The Nazis weren't attacked according to the journalism I read, and the accounts by peaceful churchgoing protesters, who actually thanked the antifa people for their assistance (though they were really surprised they'd be allied with them).
"Communist bitch"? That proves that you're another white supremacist asshole just like all the Nazis. Welcome to my enemy list.
(Score: 0, Flamebait) by Grishnakh on Wednesday December 20 2017, @05:42PM
I should have added, "you disgusting sack of racist shit." Now go fuck off and die in a fire.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 21 2017, @01:34PM
there was violence initiated by both side, I remember seeing a 5-10 minute video compilation (I think it was by ben shapiro) of instance of violence after another alternating instances where the alt-right and antifa started it
neither side was looking good in Charlottesville
both sides had groups that came there ready and hoping for a fight
and yes the guy with car -from what I know- was definitely the worst one of the lot that day
(Score: 4, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday December 20 2017, @06:30PM
Twitter controlling what's published on it's own platform: The root of all evil.
Actually murdering someone for exercising their own first amendment rights: totally fine.
(Score: 4, Informative) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday December 20 2017, @06:53PM
Terrorism has come to mean Islamic extremism. But the fact is, since 9/11, more than twice as many Americans have been murdered by white supremacists. [cbsnews.com]
(Score: 1, Insightful) by crafoo on Wednesday December 20 2017, @04:18AM (4 children)
The label alt-right was created to wrap up anyone with arguments you do not wish to address honestly into a tidy compartment. Now everyone that is placed into this compartment can be safely demonized and ignored. It's a very dishonest tactic. It's counterproductive if your goal is to achieve and maintain a civil society.
I've always considered myself a liberal. One day a blue-haired millennial approached me and chided me for my wrong beliefs. Liberal means ranking everyone now according to perceived historic oppression and "lifting up their voices". Apparently liberal now also means policing each others ideas, words are violence (comical), and equality of outcome no matter the personal level of effort is a noble goal. I get called alt-right for essentially holding classical liberal ideals. These people are ridiculous. They are only taken seriously in so far as they are useful to their masters.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 20 2017, @05:19AM
So, my rather stinky Crafoo, you are admitting total ignorance of the origin of the term "alt-right"? Such ignorance disqualifies you from any meaningful input into the debate here, so you should just roll up into a ball, and sob tears of infinite conservative confusion. The Alt-right has Alt-ed you. Too bad, So Sad! MAFA!
(Score: 3) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday December 20 2017, @05:18PM
Damned right that post was insightful. When liberals denounce liberal tactics, you people should wake up and look around. Not every liberal swills the Kool-Aid. Listen to the ones who don't.
(Score: 3, Touché) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday December 20 2017, @06:34PM (1 child)
The label alt-right was created to wrap up anyone with arguments you do not wish to address honestly into a tidy compartment
Richard Spencer coined the term Alt-Right. [wikipedia.org]
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday December 20 2017, @10:19PM
Holy spicy sheepshit with extra onions, you hit that one out of the park :) Nice!
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by Pav on Wednesday December 20 2017, @12:12AM
Finally... The ban hammer falls on the right after hundreds of non-mainstream-left were banned as Russian trolls (eg. Charlie Peach [medium.com]. The doubt about Trump Russia came from the left originally, but now it's being spun as a right talking point.... and there aren't many still around to argue (except for people too popular to ban eg. Jimmy Dore, Wikileaks etc...).
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Wednesday December 20 2017, @01:25AM
Please, linkies to Antifa public organizations and/or the list of members.
If there aren't any, I reckon Twitter may have some troubles organizing an investigative force to find their identities for the only purpose to kick them out from Twitter's platform.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 5, Insightful) by aristarchus on Wednesday December 20 2017, @02:39AM (7 children)
Yeah, but what about the Shriners, and Pentacostals, and the Oddfellows, not to mention the Freemasons and the Illuminati!! Bet they don't get banned!
(This is some pretty darn fine Whataboutism" [wikipedia.org], frojack! Nice to see you are back to your usual high standards of climate change denial! Keep up the good work!)
(Score: 3, Informative) by Phoenix666 on Wednesday December 20 2017, @03:09AM (6 children)
Shriners are Freemasons. You can't be a Shriner without bfirst becoming a master mason. The Shriners are what they call an appendant body. Other appendant bodies are the Scottish Rite, York Rite, and Royal Arch.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 3, Funny) by aristarchus on Wednesday December 20 2017, @07:55AM (5 children)
So are you saying we should call for the Twitter banning of the appendant bodies, or that frojack is up to his usual tricks? The Scottish Right has always been suspicious to me, they might have tiny cars and funny hats.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Phoenix666 on Wednesday December 20 2017, @08:33AM (4 children)
It would be difficult for Twitter to ban appendant bodies based on political speech, since Freemasons come from all walks of life. In fact the strictest rules in Freemasonry are that you cannot talk about religion or politics in lodge meetings; nothing can get you kicked out faster. The only guy I ever saw get kicked out had done both.
The Shriners wear funny hats and drive the tiny cars in parades as advertisement for the Shrine circuses. The circuses raise money to support the Shriner children's hospitals for burns and orthopedics. Any child with those issues, be it a club foot, cleft palate, burns, etc., can be treated there free of charge. In fact if any Soylentils have family or friends whose kids have those issues and can't afford treatment or don't have insurance, I can refer them to the hospital. I believe they even pay for plane tickets and a hotel stay for the child and parents while undergoing treatment.
Scottish Rite don't drive tiny cars, but they do wear funny hats. Their funny hats aren't fez's though. They look more like old-time movie usher's hats, with the double-headed eagle symbol on the front. Their work in lodge principally consists in allegorical dramas that further explain the lessons imparted in the Blue Lodge (that's what they call the initial body where you're initiated, passed, and raised to master mason). The names of the degrees you "earn" by watching those dramas have mystical sounding names, but there's nothing mystical or suspicious about them. They're similar to morality plays.
Anyway, I can't speak to the Illuminati or the Oddfellows but Freemasons in the Blue Lodge and all the appendant bodies would make for pretty poor conspirators since they can't actually talk about such matters and even if they could they're all so varied politically that they would instantly agree on nothing.
But, yeah, Twitter can knock themselves out and ban Freemasons too. Masons have been in communication with each other for a very, very long time without the benefit of social media. They'll live.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 3, Funny) by aristarchus on Wednesday December 20 2017, @08:51AM (2 children)
Isn't all this supposed to be secret? Phoenix, I haven't even shown you my ring, or given you the secret handshake! But on the other hand, I respect the charitable work these societies do, no matter how strange their gay apparel. I cannot imagine the alt-right, or Milo or Steve Bannon, or Spenser, or Algonquin, donating anything to help children. Or for that matter, to help anyone? Kind of like the Republican Tax Bill. So, what about the Knights of Columbus, and the Catholic conspriracy to retake the British throne by means of this Markle woman?
(Score: 2) by turgid on Wednesday December 20 2017, @09:58AM
There was a brilliant Toast of London episode about the Freemasons. I'm sure it was really a documentary...
I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent [wikipedia.org].
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Wednesday December 20 2017, @01:48PM
No, it's not a secret that Freemasons exist. The Shriners run those circuses and hospitals, which are not low-profile activities. Fewer people have heard of Royal Arch, York Rite, or Scottish Rite, though of the last they might have heard "33rd Degree Mason," which refers to the 32 degrees (morality plays) you watch in Scottish Rite plus one they award you as an honorary degree when you reach emeritus status. Also many famous people have been masons. Something like 13 of the Founding Fathers, including George Washington and Benjamin Franklin, were. Mozart was (the "Magic Flute" has many masonic references). Also, Simon Bolivar, Mark Twain, Ataturk, Winston Churchill, Louis Comfort Tiffany (he did the stained glass in the Grand Lodge of NY Building), FDR, Blake, Balzac, Garibaldi...it's a really long list [wikipedia.org]. You don't have a roster like that and remain a secret.
The rituals of Freemasonry, the "secret" part of it, have been revealed in many exposes because the fraternity has been around such a long time. Any non-mason can find it on the Internet, if they really want to. Even if you do learn all the rituals and all the words that are spoken and all of that, you still will not really understand it because it's something you come to understand by experiencing it and practicing it; it's kind of a cool sort of security, actually.
As a Freemason you don't tell non-masons about any of the rituals not because they're really secret or because there is any occult knowledge in them or anything like that, but because it's an exercise in keeping your word when you swore you wouldn't tell the "secrets." That in turn is meant as a reminder for the rest of your life, your business dealings, etc, to keep your word when you give it because it's a stark testament to your character and integrity, which you should always strive to keep spotless.
I couldn't tell you much about the Knights of Columbus, except that the Catholic Church created that fraternity as an option for Catholic men who wanted to be in a fraternity but didn't want to flout Rome's ban against Catholics becoming Freemasons. (The Catholic Church and Freemasons have been antagonists since Friday the 13th, 1307 when the King of France and Rome conspired to round up all the Knights Templar so they could seize their lands and treasure.)
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday December 20 2017, @05:22PM
LMAO. Especially at the last three sentences. GP doesn't have a clue, does he?
(Score: 3, Touché) by maxwell demon on Tuesday December 19 2017, @11:04PM (1 child)
Should I now get a Twitter account so that I won't be suspected to be a neo-nazi for not having one? ;-)
The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 20 2017, @12:32AM
Did it ever occur to you, that this whole thing might be a ruse, a ploy, an "operation"?
First, we make it look like Twitter, held in awe by Trump-voter types, is going to ban the alt-not-so-bright. Then they will moan and object, crying sensors chips of their "different opinion". So Twitter will relent, and give all the alt-white, and the alt-right, and even the leaning alt-light, Twitter accounts. Trap sprung. Now they are all on twitter, credibility destroyed. Mission accomplished.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Entropy on Tuesday December 19 2017, @11:20PM (41 children)
You get your twitter account banned for being a nazi? How about: https://thehornnews.com/black-lives-matter-leader-busted-for-fake-threats/ [thehornnews.com] the BLM leader who made fake threats against black students in order to incite violence. Sounds not only neo-Nazi but like terrorism.
But it's OK to discriminate against white people, I forgot.
(Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 19 2017, @11:28PM
See that forgetting won't happen again. Or else...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 19 2017, @11:30PM (35 children)
Try reporting the accounts. I wonder if a large portion of this lopsided behavior is simply that there is a larger community reporting on the alt-right and not so many reporting all the other violent/hateful accounts.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 19 2017, @11:40PM (34 children)
Why do you think that is, exactly?
(Score: 5, Informative) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday December 20 2017, @12:03AM (4 children)
Why do you think that is, exactly?
I think it's because the far right is much more violent than the far left.
Antifa hasn't shot up any churches or schools lately...
(Score: 3, Touché) by Sulla on Wednesday December 20 2017, @02:21AM
And the alt-right hasnt poured concrete on train tracks to derail and stop oil and gas shipments
Ceterum censeo Sinae esse delendam
(Score: 3, Insightful) by crafoo on Wednesday December 20 2017, @04:21AM (2 children)
So alt-right is anyone that does anything bad ever, that holds a view anything right of Antifa? How convenient.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 20 2017, @05:33AM (1 child)
Why would that be, unless it is actually the case that everything the alt-right does, from supporting Trump, harassing actors and real estate agents on line, running over people with their penis-compensators, holding Naziesque torch-light rallies, and being generally anti-American, is in fact, bad? And the Antifa? Jew-Bears, if you ever have seen the movie, "Inglorious Bastards". Great to see what happens to a bully type white supremacist when they are threatened with violence IN RETURN: Cowards! Lily-livered panty-waists! Like this guy [youtube.com]. All fun and games until someone offers to actually punch you in the face. Cowards.
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Wednesday December 20 2017, @08:43AM
None of those behaviors are exclusive to the alt-right. The alt-left does too, though not very much in the United States because the country has been purging true leftists at every level since the turn of the century. There are now almost none left here. You can easily think of alt-left people who have done those horrible things in other countries where leftist thought has been more successful and capturing power. The Red Guards during the Cultural Revolution are a fine example, as are the Khmer Rouge and their Killing Fields.
The very mild leftist activity in the United States has been in the form of spiking timber in order to injure or kill loggers taking trees from old growth forest, and that sort of thing. So it's not quite saying "both sides do it," so much as "both sides would do it if they could." If the leftists had greater numbers or support in America, they probably would take bolder, harsher actions, because escalation is the what fuels the fire in politically extreme movements.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 20 2017, @12:15AM (24 children)
Well, for example, you see organized, loud, temper-tantrum protests by the loony-left whenever speakers like Milo or Shapiro whenever they are scheduled to speak. All they are doing is giving different opinion and they often get silenced by the protesters. You don't the right protesting in the same degree when extreme left speakers come to talk.
Same thing happens on the internet....someone tweets something that doesn't fit into the left-loony narrative, they swarm in and try to silence that posting.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 20 2017, @01:55AM (13 children)
Why is that, do you think?
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday December 20 2017, @04:14AM (11 children)
The alt-right is more tolerant.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 20 2017, @04:35AM (10 children)
If they don't run you over with a "muscle" car from foreign manfacturer and kill you and then try not to take any responsibility. In other words, for severly negative values of "tolerant".
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday December 20 2017, @09:18AM (9 children)
You're running your mouth without engaging brain. Again. Just how many righties have killed people, as a political statement? I'll let you go back as far as you like, the only restrictions are, you stay in the US, and they have to have made some sort of political statement, before, during, or after their murders. Anything else is just simple freaking crime statistics. You can start with that Roof idiot - he clearly is a white supremacist, and he has made plenty of statements supporting the Nazi/ultraright point of view. You want to go ten years? 20? 50? No, you probably don't want to back very far, because all of the KKK were Democrats then, right?
Start counting.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 20 2017, @12:58PM (8 children)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_States [wikipedia.org]
I won't even comment, Runaway. You're just almost completely wrong this time, instead of completely wrong.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday December 20 2017, @04:24PM (6 children)
White supremacists, 6 incidents.
Muslims, 16 incidents.
Lefty environmentalists, 2 incidents.
Anti-abortionists, 32 incidents.
Right wing extremism, 5 incidents.
Black supremacists, 8 incidents.
Palestinians, 6 incidents. (how is that separate from Muslims?)
Puerto Rican nationalism, 9 incidents.
Antisemitism, 5 incidents.
LEFT WING EXTREMISM, 16 INCIDENTS.
So, tell me, which of those do you wish to assign to the so-called alt-right? You know, in view of the fact that the Democrats and Progressives are always standing up in defense of Muslims, we might assign all of those to your side. The Palestinians, as well. But, let us keep this discussion within the realm of reason, and drop the worst of the rhetoric, alright?
Left wing extremism, 16
Environmentalists, 2
Blacks, 8
Antisemitism 5
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31 incidents
Right wing nutters, 5
anti-abortionists, 32 (disclaimer, not all of them are "right wing", many are religious nuts, especially Catholics, who vote left - this is a RELIGIOUS issue, but I'll own the number anyway)
______________________________
37 incidents
Now, I think I've been more than reasonable. I've accepted all the anti-abortionists on my side. And, I haven't forced you to take all the Moooslims on your side. And, your side STILL comes up with a close second, behind my side, for violence. You wanna bitch and whine about the numbers, I can always change my mind, go back, and assign things differently.
So. Where does that leave us? How about this: YOUR SIDE IS NO BETTER THAN MY SIDE!! Your left wing nutters are just as bad as my right wing nutters. But, that's what I've been saying all along. Me, and several other members on this site. We've been telling you that the left and the right are almost indistinguishable. Our European friends have been saying the same damned thing. There are left wing puppet masters, and there are right wing puppet masters, who work together to keep this country divided on stupid, bullshit issues, so that people like yourself can stay busy, as useful idiots.
Wake up, and smell the fucking coffee.
The alt-right is another imaginary boogeyman, and just like a credulous child, you listen to the boogeyman stories, then you're unable to sleep at night.
Now - you want to know what makes the right ring of this little circus more respectable than the left ring? The righties tend to execute the right-leaning fuckwits who act in their name. Firing squad, lethal injection, hanging, or just execute the bastards during capture.
The left ring? You honor your cock biting fuckwits. Where is Patty Hearst? Ted Turner? Jane Fonda? Bill Ayers? Kathy Boudin?
(parenthetically - checking some stuff for this post, I ran across the fact that JFK was assassinated only 8 weeks after MLK - never made that connection before)
So now, my empty headed little buddy - what do you make of all those numbers? Are you still going to insist that this boogeyman is more destructive, more hateful than your own saints? Come on, tell me what you REALLY think about all of this.
And, remember. YOU supplied the link, without even reading it, giving it no thought at all.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 20 2017, @04:38PM (2 children)
Wait, so anti-Semites are opposed to the Nazis now?
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday December 20 2017, @04:55PM (1 child)
I think they flip-flopped (or "pivoted") about the same time the Democrats pivoted away from the KKK. Today, left-wingers want to boycott Israel, and label Israelis as fascists. The righties, on the other hand, have embraced Israel, because weapons and profit. Try to keep up. Your side owns anti-semitism now. Of course, that means nothing to the useful idiots, from either side. If you ask the typical anti-semitic person, he may believe that he's a righty, but, he's all yours.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday December 20 2017, @10:23PM
This may surprise you, but anti-Zionism isn't anti-Semitism. On my father's side of the family are around half a dozen Jews who are staunchly anti-Zionist; they like the idea of emigrating the people of Israel to, say, the US southwest. And I think that makes a lot of sense, personally. Let the Muslims *have* the one chunk of land with no oil under it in the Middle East.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 20 2017, @05:28PM (2 children)
As one Soylentil to another, Runaway, you're loosing it. Maybe time for a time out?
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday December 20 2017, @06:04PM (1 child)
Losing it? Look at the names I listed. Look where they are today. (I think they are all still alive.) Then argue my statement. A leftist's reward for terrorism is money, fame, and fortune. You can't spin any of those assholes as anything other than terrorists.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 20 2017, @07:59PM
OK, point taken, you've lost it. Best to simmer down before you embarrass yourself by further displaying your lack of knowledge and understanding.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday December 20 2017, @04:30PM
Why don't you read a short biographical sketch of Kathy Boudin, one of your side's heros. Seriuosly, read it. She's not easily defined. Don't call her a "child of the sixties". That is just to damned simplistic. She is a full fledged terrorist, the same breed of animal that runs ISIS. Read.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2013/04/04/the-gory-details-about-terrorist-teacher-kathy-boudin/ [breitbart.com]
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Wednesday December 20 2017, @08:46AM
Because their numbers are few, I'd say. If they were more numerous, they'd feel they could escalate. It's in their interests with the numbers they have to come off as looking more calm and reasonable than their political opponents. That's why David Duke doesn't deliver his remarks with anger and a clenched fist, but with a soft voice and a smile.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 20 2017, @01:58AM (7 children)
But that is all it is and that is really all that it remains except for the direct actions of a select few members. You also see loud organized temper tantrums outside abortion clinics and planned parenthood facilities and most of us just keep right on walking rather than getting our panties in a knot about now I have to walk around these loony anti-choicers...
(Score: 1, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday December 20 2017, @04:16AM (6 children)
Ditto for this imagined alt-right. A select few members are shitheads, but the left has no problem painting half of society with their broad paintbrush of SJW justice.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by crafoo on Wednesday December 20 2017, @04:24AM (5 children)
Members? Members of what? Stop talking about these things like their are two football teams. "A select few members are shitheads..." doesn't make sense when talking about either "side" or team or whatever. These people are our countrymen and neighbors. We disagree on a few key points. We are being labelled, compartmentalized, identified as "the other" and set on each other like trained dogs. Stop being so easily divided and conquered.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday December 20 2017, @04:33AM (4 children)
I think I have tried to make that exact point - and my post above supports your view. There is no "alt-right". The term was made up by one right extremist, and latched onto by the left, and applied to fully half the population of this nation. Trump was elected by about 1/2 of the voting public, and all Trump supporters are now alt-right.
And, that goes along with many of my other posts, in regards to Aristarchus. Every post, every submission, Aristarchus makes is meant to be divisive.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Phoenix666 on Wednesday December 20 2017, @08:52AM (1 child)
In Aristarchus's defense, he's freaked out by Trump's election and his rhetoric. A lot of people are, too. To me, it sounds very similar to the hysteria the right experienced with Obama and his rhetoric, particularly around immigration. The divisive effect of all of it is the same.
That's why I'd agree with you in saying, gently, we're all better served by dropping the labels and putting more effort into surgical argumentation. If we do have to use labels, let's use them lightly and with measure.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 20 2017, @02:12PM
Yeah, I remember all the
riotingprotesting that happened in conservative areas when Obama got elected. It was insane! People smashed up storefronts, set things on fire, and attacked police....
Oh wait, no they didn't.
Because they had to go to work the next day.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 20 2017, @01:01PM (1 child)
https://www.c-span.org/video/?436059-1/alt-america [c-span.org]
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday December 20 2017, @03:51PM
"I'm Rachel . . . I'm an investigative reporter with the Southern Poverty Law Center. . . "
To hell with that. The SPLC hates white people as much as BLM or Antifa. They have lists of groups that they hate, many of which are simply irrational. I haven't time to watch Rachel babble.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 20 2017, @03:08AM (1 child)
When a far-left person visits a far-right school: https://www.c-span.org/video/?328079-1/senator-bernie-sanders-i-vt-remarks-liberty-university [c-span.org]
When a far-right person visits a far-left school: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3z_jqbLCz0 [youtube.com]
(Score: 1) by Aegis on Wednesday December 20 2017, @11:52PM
When this far-right speaker visited a far-left school his supporters actually shot at people. [nydailynews.com]
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday December 20 2017, @04:09AM (2 children)
Maybe the so-called alt-right is more tolerant?
(Score: 1) by Aegis on Wednesday December 20 2017, @11:54PM (1 child)
Heather Heyer proves otherwise. How many people have the protesters murdered?
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday December 21 2017, @12:50AM
https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/dallas-police-ambush/protests-spawn-cities-across-u-s-over-police-shootings-black-n605686 [nbcnews.com]
https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/baton-rouge-police-ambush [nbcnews.com]
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/12/20/new-york-city-police-officers-shot/20698679/ [usatoday.com]
That's eight - do you need more?
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 20 2017, @06:02AM
Because the bigots spend so much time spewing hate they probably don't even think of reporting anything. It is hard to actually DO something, even clicking some buttons, when there is so much hate to spew. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if the alt-fuckers deliberately don't report violations so that they can appear to be the poor persecuted martyrs. I always see ISIS mentioned when this topic comes up, "awww but they don't ban Antifa or ISIS accounts! Waaaah waaaaah waaaaaaaaaah."
Pretty pathetic, do any of you have a backbone? Or are you all as spineless as that nazi fucker who literally cried when he was outed and people shunned him?
(Score: 5, Informative) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday December 19 2017, @11:58PM
1. She posted anonymously so there's no account to ban.
2. She was charged for making those threats and eventually pled guilty. [independent.co.uk]
So no, you aren't being persecuted here.
(Score: 3, Touché) by wisnoskij on Wednesday December 20 2017, @12:17AM
Twitter does not in general ban people for breaking the law of being an awful human being. only breaking its rules and/or having the wrong opinions.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 20 2017, @01:37AM
How about: ... the BLM leader who made fake threats against black students in order to incite violence.
"This account has been suspended." [twitter.com] How about that?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 20 2017, @11:03AM
Twitter have a BLM emoji, if they applied their rules fairly they'd be deleting their own platform.