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posted by Fnord666 on Saturday January 13 2018, @09:15PM   Printer-friendly [Skip to comment(s)]
from the welcome-to-Ecuador dept.

Ecuador has granted citizenship to Julian Assange as its government attempts to find creative ways of getting Assange out of the Ecuadorean embassy in London:

Ecuador says it has granted citizenship to Wikileaks founder Julian Assange, as officials try to find a way for him to leave the Ecuadorean embassy in London without risking legal action.

Assange, who is Australian, first sought refuge at the embassy more than five years ago to avoid extradition to Sweden, where he faced an investigation over rape allegations. He was granted asylum, and has been holed up in the embassy ever since.

The original case against him has been dropped, but Assange remains inside the embassy. "He is still subject to arrest in Britain for jumping bail," The Associated Press notes. "He also fears a possible U.S. extradition request based on his leaking of classified State Department documents."

"Earlier this week, Ecuador said the situation was unsustainable and requested diplomatic status for Assange in hopes of springing him," NPR's Frank Langfitt reports from London. "A British government spokesman responded: 'Ecuador knows that the way to resolve this issue is for Julian Assange to leave the embassy to face justice.'"

Also at The Guardian.


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Russian diplomats held secret talks in London last year with people close to Julian Assange to assess whether they could help him flee the UK, the Guardian has learned.

A tentative plan was devised that would have seen the WikiLeaks founder smuggled out of Ecuador's London embassy in a diplomatic vehicle and transported to another country.

One ultimate destination, multiple sources have said, was Russia, where Assange would not be at risk of extradition to the US. The plan was abandoned after it was deemed too risky.

The operation to extract Assange was provisionally scheduled for Christmas Eve in 2017, one source claimed, and was linked to an unsuccessful attempt by Ecuador to give Assange formal diplomatic status.

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  • (Score: 5, Funny) by fyngyrz on Saturday January 13 2018, @09:22PM (4 children)

    by fyngyrz (6567) on Saturday January 13 2018, @09:22PM (#621934) Journal

    Clearly Ecuador needs a larger diplomatic bag.

    • (Score: 5, Interesting) by frojack on Saturday January 13 2018, @09:29PM (1 child)

      by frojack (1554) Subscriber Badge on Saturday January 13 2018, @09:29PM (#621940) Journal

      Or maybe just trump up a charge against a few British tourists in Ecuador.

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      • (Score: 2) by RS3 on Saturday January 13 2018, @11:59PM

        by RS3 (6367) on Saturday January 13 2018, @11:59PM (#621998)

        Or maybe just trump up a charge ...

        I see what you did there.

    • (Score: 2) by MichaelDavidCrawford on Sunday January 14 2018, @12:27AM

      by MichaelDavidCrawford (2339) Subscriber Badge <mdcrawford@gmail.com> on Sunday January 14 2018, @12:27AM (#622012) Homepage Journal

      He and his son were smuggled out of Sweden in a plane that carried a diplomatic pouch

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    • (Score: 1) by tftp on Sunday January 14 2018, @12:53AM

      by tftp (806) on Sunday January 14 2018, @12:53AM (#622024) Homepage
      I hope they don't intend to move Assange from the embassy to Equador. His days there will be counted. I'd give him a week or so.
  • (Score: 4, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 13 2018, @09:34PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 13 2018, @09:34PM (#621943)

    We all know justice will have nothing to do with it.

  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Thexalon on Saturday January 13 2018, @09:40PM (27 children)

    by Thexalon (636) on Saturday January 13 2018, @09:40PM (#621945)

    "Ecuador knows that the way to resolve this issue is for Julian Assange to leave the embassy to face justice."

    "We want to ensure Julian Assange is given the full Chelsea Manning treatment, complete with at least 2 years of imprisonment and torture before trial. And on the off chance that he might be found Not Guilty at trial, we want him in physical custody so that he can tragically commit suicide in prison. This will show the world once and for all what happens when you anger the military and spy agencies of the US and its allies. Since we go into the Ecuador embassy to get him without a major diplomatic incident, we're instead putting him under unlawful house arrest."

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    • (Score: 3, Informative) by Thexalon on Saturday January 13 2018, @09:41PM

      by Thexalon (636) on Saturday January 13 2018, @09:41PM (#621946)

      "Since we can't go into the Ecuador embassy to get him without a major diplomatic incident, we're instead putting him under unlawful house arrest."

      (Darn lack of editing capabilities.)

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    • (Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 13 2018, @10:16PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 13 2018, @10:16PM (#621956)

      Are they going to make him a shemale?!

      • (Score: 4, Funny) by Ethanol-fueled on Saturday January 13 2018, @10:37PM

        by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Saturday January 13 2018, @10:37PM (#621965) Homepage

        They should. It's impossible for women to be convicted of sexual assault. Sweden's whole bullshit cases would fall apart instantly. It would be his "guaranteed clemency" card.

    • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 13 2018, @11:17PM (23 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 13 2018, @11:17PM (#621984)

      Bradley Manning was a traitor. I would normally say that somebody like that deserved to have his balls chopped off, but in his case... maybe we ought to sew them back on!

      His embassy cable leak led to that whole Syrian civil war. His embassy cable leak was a major factor in the rise of ISIS and in the creation of the refugee crisis. So many people have died because of him.

      His gun camera video leak, the "collateral murder" video, got edited into a misleading story that was intended to paint American soldiers as wild blood-thirsty killers. It's clear if you view the full unedited video and have an understanding of the tactics being used on that battlefield, where unmarked vans were being used to support the non-American side, and where a GIGANTIC camera lens peeking from around a corner looks a damn lot like an RPG launcher.

      Of course, we can blame Assange for editing that video to tell the fictional story he wanted to tell.

      • (Score: 5, Informative) by beckett on Saturday January 13 2018, @11:28PM (8 children)

        by beckett (1115) on Saturday January 13 2018, @11:28PM (#621987)

        embassy cable leak was a major factor in the rise of ISIS

        Manning's leak occurred in 2013.

        ISIS was founded in 1999, when Manning was 12 years old.

        And the 'major factor' in the 'rise of ISIS' was the 2003 invasion of Iraq by US Forces and the toppling of Saddam Hussein regime.

        • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 14 2018, @12:21AM (2 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 14 2018, @12:21AM (#622006)

          ISIS couldn't control massive amounts of territory in Syria until the legit government found itself in trouble due to riots and rebels... that were set off by Bradley Manning's leak of the embassy cables to wikileaks.

          I don't deny that the situation in Iraq was also a major factor. We also shouldn't deny that a certain religion is prone to such things. There can be multiple factors.

          • (Score: 5, Insightful) by beckett on Sunday January 14 2018, @08:05AM

            by beckett (1115) on Sunday January 14 2018, @08:05AM (#622119)

            ISIS couldn't control massive amounts of territory in Syria until

            ...the Saddam Husein regime was toppled by US forces in and a power vacuum formed in Iraq.

          • (Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 14 2018, @06:08PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 14 2018, @06:08PM (#622216)

            idk what stupid fuck is modding this brainwashed bastard as a troll but you are a dumb ass. the op is obviously not trolling.

        • (Score: 5, Informative) by Thexalon on Sunday January 14 2018, @12:23AM

          by Thexalon (636) on Sunday January 14 2018, @12:23AM (#622008)

          And the 'major factor' in the 'rise of ISIS' was the 2003 invasion of Iraq by US Forces and the toppling of Saddam Hussein regime.

          Specifically, that invasion put most of the surviving military personnel in Iraq out of work. Who then proceeded across the border into Syria and into the waiting arms of ISIS. Which might be the reason ISIS was as successful militarily as they were - they had people who knew what they were doing, as opposed to the usual incompetence seen from terrorist groups trying to do larger-scale operations. It would not be unreasonable to see the ISIS invasion of Iraq as an attempted reconquest by the people who had been beaten by the US.

          The good news now is that ISIS is pretty close to finished as an actual military threat: They've lost most of their former territory in both Iraq and Syria, and basically consist of a few pockets in places where the government control is lacking.

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        • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Sunday January 14 2018, @12:52AM (3 children)

          by fustakrakich (6150) on Sunday January 14 2018, @12:52AM (#622022) Journal

          And the 'major factor' in the 'rise of ISIS' was the 2003 invasion of Iraq by US Forces and the toppling of Saddam Hussein regime.

          And their financing and arming through Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and Libya (the real Benghazi story). Make no mistake, all of ISIS and Al Qaeda arose from outside funding for other objectives. And I have to admit, they have been very successful so far. Business is booming, so to speak.

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          • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 14 2018, @06:34AM (2 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 14 2018, @06:34AM (#622109)

            You seem to have missed out America from your funded by list. I'm sure that it is just a clerical error and will be corrected later.

            • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Sunday January 14 2018, @03:10PM

              by fustakrakich (6150) on Sunday January 14 2018, @03:10PM (#622185) Journal

              Goes without mentioning. Yes, 115 bil ain't chump change [reuters.com] (guess who is taking credit for that now [brookings.edu]) It's already understood that the US and Europe, and Russia, and China are the major players, and Brazil, India, Pakistan, etc certainly have a small piece of the action. But, if you read my post, it said that the terrorists are being funded through the Saudis, Turkey, Libya, Egypt (which I also left out), etc. Sorry if I can't remember them all.

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            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 14 2018, @06:11PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 14 2018, @06:11PM (#622219)

              where not reading the op gets your commentardia modded insightful...

      • (Score: 5, Informative) by Anal Pumpernickel on Sunday January 14 2018, @12:48AM (11 children)

        by Anal Pumpernickel (776) on Sunday January 14 2018, @12:48AM (#622021)

        His embassy cable leak led to that whole Syrian civil war. His embassy cable leak was a major factor in the rise of ISIS and in the creation of the refugee crisis. So many people have died because of him.

        You make all these claims without presenting even a shred of evidence, just like a typical bootlicker. You see the same tactic used by government-worshiping media pundits, where they spew forth claims like this without evidence in the hopes that the foolish average person will believe it.

        Of course, even if that were true, the blame would fall solely on those who committed war crimes and other sketchy actions, because without them there would be no need to blow the whistle on anything.

        • (Score: 4, Insightful) by fustakrakich on Sunday January 14 2018, @01:03AM (8 children)

          by fustakrakich (6150) on Sunday January 14 2018, @01:03AM (#622026) Journal

          they spew forth claims like this without evidence in the hopes that the foolish average person will believe it.

          Well, you should notice by the people who are nominated and (re)elected to congress and the presidency that the *average person* does believe the bullshit. If the *average person* demanded evidence and acted accordingly, it would be a whole different world out there.

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          • (Score: 5, Informative) by Pav on Sunday January 14 2018, @02:28AM (7 children)

            by Pav (114) on Sunday January 14 2018, @02:28AM (#622055)

            I'm not so negative on the "average person". When people are polled issue by issue the majority actually would be considered "far left" in the American context. Why do people still vote for mainstream parties when they outside of their catchments? Well, firstly, half don't. Also, actual voters take on the "spoiler" argument and don't vote for third parties ie. the "least worst" option which, along with money in politics, has lead to a slide to the right.

            • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Thexalon on Sunday January 14 2018, @03:28AM (2 children)

              by Thexalon (636) on Sunday January 14 2018, @03:28AM (#622070)

              Also, there's substantial evidence that even when a majority of voters want the candidate that's "far left", strings are pulled to ensure that a different candidate will represent the supposedly left-wing party.

              For instance, 110,000 or so New Yorkers, who almost all just happened to be Sanders supporters, had their voter registrations destroyed or altered so they were no longer eligible to vote in the 2016 Democratic primary. There was a criminal case brought, which was settled with a very serious promise to never do that again, although doing this was a felony.

              Or, in Florida, after substantial questions came up about Debbie Wasserman-Schultz winning the 2016 primary in a statistically unlikely fashion, the ballots were destroyed while a case was pending that would have allowed her opponent's campaign to examine them. So far, no criminal case has been brought even though doing this was a felony.

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              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 14 2018, @04:21PM (1 child)

                by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 14 2018, @04:21PM (#622196)

                Hey, the democrats are good! They have the whole world convinced the the republicans did all the fraud, and all that was done was to expose DNC crimes that indeed should be prosecuted. Too bad we can't add 'projection' to that list...

                Trump is a dick, but the democrats are damn thugs, and their history backs that up, first being the southern racists they still are, and also allying themselves with the worker gangs (union bosses) up north to shake down small mining, trucking, and drilling companies. They are true gangsters in every sense of the word. Their so-called 'civil rights' crusade from the 60s is as phony as a three dollar bill. But it keeps the dumbass 'liberals' and their cash in the barn, doesn't it? And if you show them a mirror, and they become even more tribal than a Trump supporter. But that's where the problem is... with the voters, hardly matters which party

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 15 2018, @01:31AM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 15 2018, @01:31AM (#622359)

                  Wow... way to miss the point.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 14 2018, @04:08PM (3 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 14 2018, @04:08PM (#622194)

              When people are polled issue by issue the majority actually would be considered "far left" in the American context.

              ORLY? The polls done by the same pollsters that had polls predicting a Clinton win?

              Maybe these pollsters were doing more polls where they could get their soy lattes than way out in the boondocks.

              Or these polls were actually bullshit "polls" that were more about influencing voters than actually polling voters.

              See: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/sam-wang-princeton-election-consortium-poll-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-victory-a7399671.html [independent.co.uk]
              http://edition.cnn.com/2016/11/07/politics/political-prediction-market-hillary-clinton-donald-trump/index.html [cnn.com]
              https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-poll/clinton-has-90-percent-chance-of-winning-reuters-ipsos-states-of-the-nation-idUSKBN1322J1 [reuters.com]
              https://www.thewrap.com/every-poll-that-got-election-wrong-donald-trump/ [thewrap.com]

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 15 2018, @12:58AM

                by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 15 2018, @12:58AM (#622343)

                ORLY? The polls done by the same pollsters that had polls predicting a Clinton win?

                The data was not wrong, which is reflected in the popular vote. Their interpretation of the data was wrong, since most of them failed to account for the electoral college, which is what allowed Trump to win.

              • (Score: 2) by Pav on Monday January 15 2018, @01:15AM (1 child)

                by Pav (114) on Monday January 15 2018, @01:15AM (#622351)

                So a country who has had (under the neoliberal policies of of both the left and right) half of its population become ceither poor or in poverty isn't for shifting tax back up to the wealthy (ie. to "Happy Days" levels - eg. 90% for the top marginal rate)? Isn't for a $15 minimum wage? Isn't for ending the war on drugs? Isn't for medicare for all? Isn't for free college tuition? Isn't for curbing foreign wars?

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 15 2018, @01:36AM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 15 2018, @01:36AM (#622361)

                  Nope, they aren't. They're too worried about identity politics, gay marriage, famous guys groping famous girls, merry fucking christmas, and just about every other irrelevant distraction one can imagine.

        • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 14 2018, @03:45AM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 14 2018, @03:45AM (#622076)

          ISIS formed in the aftermath of the second US invasion of Iraq. They were a mere annoyance, not on the verge of being a country.

          Bradley Manning comes along, leaks out diplomatic cables via wikileaks, and all Hell breaks loose all across the Middle East. Normal people got to see our unflattering descriptions of corrupt leaders. Numerous countries had riots, some of those turned into civil war or revolution, some of those resulted in new governments, and out of that... one country managed to get a clearly better government. Lots of people died.

          One of the places with a failed revolution is Syria. The resulting mess gave ISIS room to grow. ISIS filled a power vacuum. ISIS started to take on attributes of a country. They probably would have become a full-fledged country if they hadn't threatened Saudi Arabia and others.

          Without the leak, Syria wouldn't have collapsed. Without the available territory, ISIS would have remained a small group of annoying rebels running around in Iraq.

          • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Anal Pumpernickel on Sunday January 14 2018, @05:45AM

            by Anal Pumpernickel (776) on Sunday January 14 2018, @05:45AM (#622104)

            Bradley Manning comes along, leaks out diplomatic cables via wikileaks, and all Hell breaks loose all across the Middle East.

            The post hoc fallacy, huh?

            You can't even make a probability argument because you don't have enough data to even reach a conclusion about how probable this claiming being true actually is.

            Without the leak, Syria wouldn't have collapsed.

            Once again, no evidence. Can you look into alternate dimensions or something?

            And again, the government should not take actions that necessitate whistleblowing if it does not want people to blow the whistle on them. Not attacking civilians, not conducting mass surveillance on the populace, not fighting preemptive wars in the first place, etc. are all decent ways of avoiding this. Blaming the messengers is foolish, even generously assuming you're correct. Which, again, you have no evidence of.

      • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Runaway1956 on Sunday January 14 2018, @01:11AM (1 child)

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Sunday January 14 2018, @01:11AM (#622030) Homepage Journal

        I agree, in essence, but you give Manning more "credit" than he deserves. His actions contributed to all the evil you cite, but you can't really call Manning the "major factor".

        But, your post does point up one of my difficulties with Assange. Julian did edit that gunship video, to make things look worse than reality. Basically, I support Assange, but he has his dishonest streak. I suspect some of that dishonesty stems from ignorance, and some of it stems from antipathy toward our government. But, journalists get away with that kind of shit all the time. Still - freedom of the press, and all of that.

        Manning is a criminal, Assange is a political prisoner. I think we can agree on that.

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        • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 14 2018, @06:18PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 14 2018, @06:18PM (#622222)

          i think one of the main reasons manning is so well known is because it's a psyop. they picked the most minority/disagreeable to the masses person they could find out of their yearly corral of leakers/traitors/fuck ups/whatever and made sure we all learned the name and face. now when the normals think of "leakers" they think "bunch of freaks/subversives/traitors".

  • (Score: 2) by looorg on Saturday January 13 2018, @10:13PM (1 child)

    by looorg (578) on Saturday January 13 2018, @10:13PM (#621955)

    So no change then really, it's not like he is getting out of there anytime soon. Still sleeping his days away on his air-mattress. I was thinking that Ecuador would eventually give him a nudge out the door eventually. Guess not. Since Australia allows for dual-citizenship these days he didn't even have to renounce that.

    • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 13 2018, @11:34PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 13 2018, @11:34PM (#621989)

      IIRC Australia revoked his passport, which while being out-of-country and especially being in Assange's situation is practically the same as revoking citizenship. In his position I'd be quite fine with giving Australia the finger and becoming an Ecuadorian diplomat instead.

  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by crafoo on Saturday January 13 2018, @10:41PM (8 children)

    by crafoo (6639) on Saturday January 13 2018, @10:41PM (#621968)

    Anger the rulers and you will be punished. Those ruling us do not work in concepts such as justice. Raw power, expression of that power where it suits them, and complete obedience to that power from the populace. Julian challenged them and therefore he will be punished. That's the start and end of it.

    • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday January 13 2018, @11:33PM (7 children)

      by Azuma Hazuki (5086) Subscriber Badge on Saturday January 13 2018, @11:33PM (#621988) Journal

      I'm sorry, could you clarify this a bit? Specifically, whether you actually have a problem with this or not.

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      • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 14 2018, @01:09AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 14 2018, @01:09AM (#622029)

        It doesn't matter. He's absolutely right either way. You, I, and everyone else not of the modern nomenklatura are nothing. Whether or not anyone has a problem with it is moot.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 14 2018, @01:37AM (5 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 14 2018, @01:37AM (#622039)

        His feelings on the situation don't change reality. What does it matter what he feels about it, he is right either way.
        You need to learn the difference between is and ought.

        • (Score: 4, Interesting) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday January 14 2018, @01:46AM (4 children)

          by Azuma Hazuki (5086) Subscriber Badge on Sunday January 14 2018, @01:46AM (#622045) Journal

          Oh, I'm not saying he's wrong about it. What I want to know is, is he another goddamn Renfield who thinks he'll become one of the elite by kissing up to them? Because I'm more afraid of people like that than the actual elite.

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          • (Score: 3, Insightful) by pdfernhout on Sunday January 14 2018, @03:48AM (3 children)

            by pdfernhout (5984) on Sunday January 14 2018, @03:48AM (#622078) Homepage

            http://conceptualguerilla.com/essays/essays-on-economics-and-ideology/wrath-of-the-millionaire-wannabes/ [conceptualguerilla.com]
            "The right likes to think that every Leftist “hates” the “rich”. I suppose there are those on the Left who hate the rich, but if they do, their anger is misplaced. It’s the “wannabe’s” you have to watch out for. ... It is inconceivable to him that most of us don’t want a ten thousand dollar wristwatch. He can’t understand any ambition other than accumulating things whose primary value is that other people don’t have them. He fails to appreciate those great joys in life that don’t cost anything at all. If he discovers such joys, he sets about figuring out a way to charge for it. Some of these guys would charge you for the air you breathe, if they could figure out how to meter it. ..."

            Not saying this reflects the original poster -- just reflects your point about causes for concern of people who want to join a certain "elite"...

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            • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday January 14 2018, @07:06PM

              by Azuma Hazuki (5086) Subscriber Badge on Sunday January 14 2018, @07:06PM (#622236) Journal

              *Precisely.*

              Something...*happens* to people with a lot of money and material goods. It seems to take over them, like some kind of memetic parasite. Suddenly no matter how much they have, it's still not enough, and with the power and privilege and resources at their disposal, it becomes ever easier to steamroller over ever more people for ever more wealth. I don't know what causes this, and am not sure I want to find out, but it makes these people somehow no longer entirely human; more like dangerous predators.

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            • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday January 14 2018, @07:23PM

              by Azuma Hazuki (5086) Subscriber Badge on Sunday January 14 2018, @07:23PM (#622239) Journal

              (Sorry, hit Submit too soon).

              And, to build on your point, the wannabees are even worse because they feel that way about not just money and material goods, but power. And "power for the sake of power," as exemplified in 1984. I can't comprehend this mindset.

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            • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 14 2018, @09:22PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 14 2018, @09:22PM (#622272)

              there are those on the Left who hate the rich,

              Actual Leftists (there aren't many in the Dumbocrat wing of The Corporate Party) prefer power to be distributed.
              We are skeptical about concentrated power--and great wealth is certainly that.

              Actual Leftists really do like the 1 Person==1 Vote thing ("Democracy"), with everyone affected by the decision getting a vote--which is equal to any other vote.
              We tend to dislike the $1==1 Vote thing (Plutocracy).

              but if they do, their anger is misplaced.

              No. Actual Leftists don't like Oligarchy.

              It’s the "wannabe's"[1] you have to watch out for

              There's a lot of truth in the temporarily-embarrassed-millionaires thing.

              [1] The need to use an apostrophe to make a plural is an extremely rare thing.
              Where you can just add an s or an es and get something that doesn't look like something else|something weird, there's no need to use an apostrophe to make a plural.

              -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]

  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 14 2018, @12:01AM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 14 2018, @12:01AM (#622000)

    Eventually, just like Kim dot com, will get to visit the inside if a US federal prison.

    Not that i agree with it, but the parties involved will not stop until that happens. ( or they die, you know via an 'accident' )

  • (Score: 1, Troll) by mendax on Sunday January 14 2018, @01:09AM (3 children)

    by mendax (2840) on Sunday January 14 2018, @01:09AM (#622028)

    Apparently, one of the reasons why the embassy wants to get rid of Assange is because of his poor hygiene [nydailynews.com]. The situation stinks in more ways than one. I guess that shirt he wore commemorating his acquisition of Ecuadorian citizenship is the first clean shirt he's worn in a while.

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    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by hemocyanin on Sunday January 14 2018, @09:46AM (2 children)

      by hemocyanin (186) on Sunday January 14 2018, @09:46AM (#622141) Journal

      Sounds like depression, which is understandable considering his circumstances.

      • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday January 14 2018, @07:24PM (1 child)

        by Azuma Hazuki (5086) Subscriber Badge on Sunday January 14 2018, @07:24PM (#622240) Journal

        Even at my most depressed, I still took a shower every day. Maybe he's just a slob.

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        I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
        • (Score: 2) by arslan on Sunday January 14 2018, @11:57PM

          by arslan (3462) on Sunday January 14 2018, @11:57PM (#622329)

          Wasn't he supposed to be the millionaire ladies man? I somehow doubt being a smelly slob was his normal MO prior to his exile.. sounds more like depression, but I do contest it could be a show given he's a showman, but a natural slob would be unlikely.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 14 2018, @06:24PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 14 2018, @06:24PM (#622225)

    NPR's Frank Langfitt reports from London. "A British government spokesman responded: 'Ecuador knows that the way to resolve this issue is for Julian Assange to leave the embassy to face justice.'"

    and who is this mystery pig that the npr whore let be an anonymous government spokesperson? how in the hell do you get to collect a check from stolen money to perform an official public function yet do it anonymously? maybe some footballers can pay this piece of shit a visit and show them what justice is all about?

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