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posted by janrinok on Wednesday January 24 2018, @05:02AM   Printer-friendly
from the in-the-meantime-carry-on dept.

"The Supreme Court announced Friday it will take up the case against the latest version of President Trump's travel ban, which bars entry in to the United States for residents of six majority-Muslim countries.

The court will hear arguments in April and is expected to issue a ruling by June." http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/01/19/supreme-court-announces-it-will-rule-on-trumps-travel-ban.html


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  • (Score: 0, Insightful) by Entropy on Wednesday January 24 2018, @06:37AM (28 children)

    by Entropy (4228) on Wednesday January 24 2018, @06:37AM (#627013)

    No? Well that's a good thing. Immigration from the wrong group of people could make terrorist attacks a common occurrence like they are in London & France now. Before immigration from certain countries, it was unheard of there as well. Of course it's not politically correct to go into specifics.

    • (Score: 5, Interesting) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday January 24 2018, @06:57AM (13 children)

      by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Wednesday January 24 2018, @06:57AM (#627019) Journal

      Interesting thing...what nationality were the 9/11 hijackers? Mostly Saudis. What country is the focal point of Wahabbism? It ain't Djibouti. And what country is conspicuously missing off this list? Welly well well...

      --
      I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
      • (Score: 2) by MichaelDavidCrawford on Wednesday January 24 2018, @07:20AM (10 children)

        by MichaelDavidCrawford (2339) Subscriber Badge <mdcrawford@gmail.com> on Wednesday January 24 2018, @07:20AM (#627027) Homepage Journal

        - detector.

        Just getting into the place is just like going through airport security.

        I had to put my computer into a bin all by itself. I also had to take off my shoes so they could be x-rayed.

        --
        Yes I Have No Bananas. [gofundme.com]
        • (Score: 2, Funny) by c0lo on Wednesday January 24 2018, @07:31AM (8 children)

          by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday January 24 2018, @07:31AM (#627033) Journal

          The Social Security Office has an x-ray and...

          I also had to take off my shoes so they could be x-rayed.

          I think I know where the next mutant athlete-foot fungus will come from.
          Heard about that Chronic Waste Disease in US deer population? Coincidence? I don't think so.

          (grin)

          --
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
          • (Score: 3, Interesting) by MichaelDavidCrawford on Wednesday January 24 2018, @10:28AM (5 children)

            by MichaelDavidCrawford (2339) Subscriber Badge <mdcrawford@gmail.com> on Wednesday January 24 2018, @10:28AM (#627075) Homepage Journal

            It is quite common for homeless people to wear the same pair of socks all the time. I learned the hard way why that's a bad idea.

            The Portland Rescue Mission had a good supply of clean socks, as does Transition Project. Really I did not need to use dirty socks for months on end.

            Both my feet started hurting. I thought I had blisters. Quite suddenly the pain became quite unbearable.

            I called my Mom then asked if I could come back to stay in her guest room. I told her I was incapable of walking.

            I was quite relieved when she said yes, and that she would meet me at a light rail station in North Portland. Just to walk to the station in downtown Portland was unbearable.

            I figured that my blisters had broken open.

            When we got back to her place I took off my shoes and socks so I could have a look at my blisters.

            There were no blisters.

            No, the soles of both my feet had turned white with lots of large red spots. It was as if some terrorist was attacking Portland with biological warfare agents that attack one's feet.

            I took a shower. That helped quite a bit. Then I changed my socks - they were still in Mom's guest room - and avoided wearing those shoes for several days. As much as I could I didn't wear my shoes, just socks.

            I had never seen nor heard of anything like what attacked my feet. While likely a bacterial infection, I strongly suspect that that particular species of bacteria was unknown to medical science.

            I was quite fortunate in that my feet eventually healed.

            --
            Yes I Have No Bananas. [gofundme.com]
            • (Score: 3, Interesting) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday January 24 2018, @11:20AM (2 children)

              by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Wednesday January 24 2018, @11:20AM (#627093) Homepage Journal

              Many a soldier throughout the years has known precisely whereof you speak.

              --
              My rights don't end where your fear begins.
              • (Score: 2) by MichaelDavidCrawford on Wednesday January 24 2018, @11:36AM (1 child)

                by MichaelDavidCrawford (2339) Subscriber Badge <mdcrawford@gmail.com> on Wednesday January 24 2018, @11:36AM (#627101) Homepage Journal

                Just bathe at least once a week. That's it.

                I didn't believe him.

                I believe in the historical Jesus. That is, I believe that there was a very wise man who was giving sermons on mounts, but that man was not a diety.

                It wasn't Jesus who cured leprosy, but John The Baptist preventing it.

                I mentioned my theory to a friend who said "Bathing lets evil spirits into our pores".

                If you'd never taken a bath in your whole entire life I assert it must feel pretty good to get baptized. So good that you want to get baptized at least once per week for the rest of your life.

                --
                Yes I Have No Bananas. [gofundme.com]
                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 24 2018, @04:41PM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 24 2018, @04:41PM (#627213)

                  Cleanliness is next to Godliness. Must have missed that huh.

            • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Wednesday January 24 2018, @11:54AM

              by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday January 24 2018, @11:54AM (#627108) Journal

              While likely a bacterial infection,

              Fungal infection, most likely.
              Most bacteria won't be stopping at the skin level only, you wouldn't be around with an untreated skin infection enclosed in your shoes for months.
              Luckily, fungi are quite good in fighting bacteria (remember that penicillium chrysogenum?), but if it progresses to a systemic mycosis [wikipedia.org] then it isn't wise to ignore it [dermnetnz.org]

              No, the soles of both my feet had turned white with lots of large red spots. It was as if some terrorist was attacking Portland with biological warfare agents that attack one's feet.
              ...
              ... I strongly suspect that that particular species of bacteria was unknown to medical science.

              You reckon is unknown? You'd be surprised.

              That, for instance, Penicillium roqueforti [wikipedia.org] is quite capable to act on protein rich sources and turn them into creamy goo with a quite intensely concentrated aroma. Many of this world like blue cheeses, but... Penicillium roqueforti produces the PR-toxin, unstable in cheeses (where it degrades further) otherwise a quite nasty one [nih.gov]

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            • (Score: 2) by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us on Wednesday January 24 2018, @07:18PM

              by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us (6553) on Wednesday January 24 2018, @07:18PM (#627305) Journal

              It was an immersion foot syndrome. And could have been bacterial, but was far more likely to have been fungal, or most likely both.

              --
              This sig for rent.
          • (Score: 2) by MostCynical on Wednesday January 24 2018, @10:29AM (1 child)

            by MostCynical (2589) on Wednesday January 24 2018, @10:29AM (#627076) Journal

            Social Security and TSA spread disease!

            --
            "I guess once you start doubting, there's no end to it." -Batou, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
            • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Wednesday January 24 2018, @11:08AM

              by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday January 24 2018, @11:08AM (#627089) Journal

              Social Security and TSA spread disease!

              Not only spread it, but mutate it... for nefarious purposes... mwahahaha.
              To be in sync with those approaching days in the past... you know it makes sense.

              --
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 25 2018, @04:26AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 25 2018, @04:26AM (#627545)

          Where do you live? I visited the social security office last week and there was... only a door.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 24 2018, @07:30PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 24 2018, @07:30PM (#627317)

        Even more interesting is how this point is repeatedly brought up yet the proponents of the ban never care to address it. Then next time it comes up we get to repeat the same points! If there is one thing Trump has succeeded with it must be the massive generation of wealth (imaginary internet points that is).

      • (Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Wednesday January 24 2018, @08:38PM

        by realDonaldTrump (6614) on Wednesday January 24 2018, @08:38PM (#627360) Homepage Journal

        We only want to admit those into our country who will support our country and love deeply our people. That's what the ban is for.

        As President, I made Saudi Arabia my first and biggest priority in the Middle East. My first trip out of the USA, as President, was to Saudi Arabia. And made a terrific deal with the Saudis. To sell them the weapons to defend themselves against terrorism. And against their other enemies. A lot of those enemies are also enemies of the USA. I'll tell you, that was a tremendous day. Tremendous investments in the United States. Hundreds of billions of dollars of investments into the United States and jobs, jobs, JOBS!

        They want nuclear weapons. I will never give them nuclear weapons. But can I be honest with you? It's going to happen anyway. So many people, you have Pakistan has it, you have China has it. You have so many other countries are now having it.

    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 24 2018, @07:06AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 24 2018, @07:06AM (#627021)

      So it always was! Letting in the Irish was a really bad mistake! Too much experience in bomb-making and blowing up Brits! On the other hand, that is where the Yanks got their start. And letting in the Gumbas, the Dagos, the Wops, the Eye-talions! Big mistake! Look at how much crime and bad movies with Stallone that this caused! And finally, letting in the Krauts. Big mistake. Teddy Roosevelt called them on it, in the Big War to End All Wars Until the Next One. He called them, "hyphenated Americans"! You know, like German Americans! Bad! Italian-americans! Bad! English-americans? Super-bad! Native Americans? Only good one is a dead one, in the parlance of the time.

      Immigration from the wrong group of people could make terrorist attacks a common occurrence

      I believe that was the experience of the Native Americans, the Primal Peoples. You let some of these pathetic people who have no pigment in, and very soon they are burning villages, raping our livestock, and pretending like they are Americans. Very disturbing, all of it. But this is the reason I agree with you, and our Native American President, Donald Grabs-by-Pussy.

      What? He's one of the Germans? Oh, crap! And his wife is a Commie? Oh, lordy, say it ain't so! And that means his kids (except Tiffany, who is pure American, almost, and at least half Playboy model) are only half-immigrant with more immigrant American? Did you know that Donald's mother was also not an American! So yes, allowing immigration can change the nature of American, and result in us electing a total stable moron for president. I totally agree with you!! And, I have gone into details! I hope all those who insist on "political correctness" can handle the load of truth I just laid on them!

      The only solution, as I see it, is to deport anyone who is not a descendent of the aboriginal peoples of North America. They want White Separatism? So do Americans! Ship them back where they came from, I say! If you cannot speak Salish, or Algonquin, or Narragansett, or Navaho (fuck Andrew Jackson), you have no business being in OUR country!!! Oh, that whole Mormon story? Totally false.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 24 2018, @11:41AM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 24 2018, @11:41AM (#627102)

      > a common occurrence like they are in London & France now.

      Nice troll. London belongs to the set of and France belongs to the set of . Grouping them shows a disdain for type safety. Are you a script kiddie?

      • (Score: 2) by cubancigar11 on Wednesday January 24 2018, @11:50AM

        by cubancigar11 (330) on Wednesday January 24 2018, @11:50AM (#627105) Homepage Journal

        I know you meant it differently but currently they both look like belonging to same set calle 'of' :p

      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by tangomargarine on Wednesday January 24 2018, @05:14PM

        by tangomargarine (667) on Wednesday January 24 2018, @05:14PM (#627227)

        Are you a script kiddie?

        This coming from the guy who doesn't know how to escape something in his post, or use the Preview button.

        --
        "Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
    • (Score: 2) by FakeBeldin on Wednesday January 24 2018, @01:39PM (3 children)

      by FakeBeldin (3360) on Wednesday January 24 2018, @01:39PM (#627121) Journal

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_terrorist_incidents_by_country [wikipedia.org]
      2016 numbers:
      UK, including London: 104 "incidents", 9 deaths, 20 injured
      US: 61 "incidents", 68 deaths, 139 injured
      France: 26 "incidents", 95 deaths, 470 injured.

      Terrorist attacks in the USA are already as common as terrorist attacks in London and France.

      Before immigration fom certain countries, the various native American tribes may have terrorised each other, but does it really count as terrorism when it's another tribe?

      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday January 24 2018, @02:45PM

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday January 24 2018, @02:45PM (#627148) Journal
        The US has a lower rate of "incidents" per million than either France or UK, roughly 0.2 "incidents" per million people as opposed to almost 0.4 per for France and 1.6 per for the UK. I'll have to retire to the fainting couch at the thought of just how violent the UK must be.
      • (Score: 2) by Entropy on Wednesday January 24 2018, @09:27PM (1 child)

        by Entropy (4228) on Wednesday January 24 2018, @09:27PM (#627388)

        Also this is about concentrated areas of Islamic immigrants. If you move one in, it's not a problem--If you move a ton in and they make a "no go" zone, do some acid thrown in face attacks, some gang rape activity, then build a mosque--You get the mayor of London saying terrorist attacks are "part and parcel of living in a big city".

        Do you fear a BOMB?
        Are there Muslim no-go zones that you can't enter if you're anything else where you live?
        Have you heard of young girls having acid thrown in their face for rejecting having underage sex with Muslims?

        Acid: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4016850/acid-attacks-uk-how-to-treat-victims-burns-sufferers/ [thesun.co.uk]
        No go zones, even the poice: http://www.lbc.co.uk/hot-topics/crime-police/ferrari-trump-is-right-there-are-no-go-areas-in-lo/ [lbc.co.uk]
        Terrorist attacks: Various.

        • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 24 2018, @11:47PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 24 2018, @11:47PM (#627458)

          There's a Muslim no-go zone by me called Dearborn. I head over there every now and then since the only decent arcade around any more is in the vicinity. They always let me in no problem, and often they'll even sell me delicious food.

          Now, Christians otoh. We have a big no-go zone around Holland and Grand Rapids. I call the whole area bat country. Those Dutch, lemme tell you. You know how copper wire was invented? Two Dutchmen got into an argument about a penny. They'll throw acid in your face and charge you for the acid! (Plus hazmat fees, delivery charge, storage fees, etc etc.) And their food sucks!

    • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday January 24 2018, @03:51PM

      by fustakrakich (6150) on Wednesday January 24 2018, @03:51PM (#627185) Journal

      Attacks have been common in Europe for thousands of years. Shit like that happens when mortal enemies live right next door to each other. If they had a great big moat around them like in the states, things would be a bit different. We don't have to attack nations. We have to attack criminals, including the ones holding office.

      --
      La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
    • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 24 2018, @04:02PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 24 2018, @04:02PM (#627194)

      common occurrence like they are in London & France now

      I don't think you know what that word means or your grasp of quantitative data is severely lacking.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 24 2018, @04:38PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 24 2018, @04:38PM (#627212)

      funny. white terrorists are killing our schoolchildren. why arent white people being banned.

    • (Score: 4, Informative) by isostatic on Wednesday January 24 2018, @05:30PM

      by isostatic (365) on Wednesday January 24 2018, @05:30PM (#627240) Journal

      Immigration from the wrong group of people could make terrorist attacks a common occurrence like they are in London & France now.
      Hang on, I fear for my life in the US - not a day goes by without some new atrocity. Hell the latest school to get shot up barely got a mention on the news.

      In the UK my biggest safety concern is, well, I'm not sure. It's not driving (one of the safest roads in the world), it's not being killed (murder rate is 1 in 100k, in the US it's 5 in 100k)

      Before immigration from certain countries, it was unheard of there as well.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Republican_Army [wikipedia.org]

    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday January 24 2018, @06:37PM

      by DeathMonkey (1380) on Wednesday January 24 2018, @06:37PM (#627276) Journal

      Do you fear a bomb when you go to a coffee shop?

      I don't fear lightning strikes, either, and they're more common that terrorist attacks. And it's not due to an unconstitutional immigration ban based on religion.

    • (Score: 3, Informative) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday January 24 2018, @06:40PM

      by DeathMonkey (1380) on Wednesday January 24 2018, @06:40PM (#627279) Journal

      Yep, terrorism never happened in London until the Muslims started moving in!

      (and it totally wasn't funded in large part by the US, either) [bbc.co.uk]

  • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 24 2018, @06:53AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 24 2018, @06:53AM (#627017)

    Tonight I clicked one recovery link too many.

    So far I've set the same ... uh... "strong" password to two different sites:

    Safari File Edit

  • (Score: 3, Informative) by unauthorized on Wednesday January 24 2018, @07:14AM (10 children)

    by unauthorized (3776) on Wednesday January 24 2018, @07:14AM (#627025)

    It's utterly idiotic to call this directive a Muslim ban when it effectively applies to less than 10% of the global Muslim population.

    • (Score: 2) by cubancigar11 on Wednesday January 24 2018, @07:54AM

      by cubancigar11 (330) on Wednesday January 24 2018, @07:54AM (#627042) Homepage Journal

      It is a black powerless surrounded-by-majority-of-mulism ban, to be exact.

    • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 24 2018, @09:45AM (8 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 24 2018, @09:45AM (#627065)

      It's the PR term that dumbass-in-chief uses to pander to his base.

      However, if you post a sign in your store saying "No blacks from Detroit", it's still a ban against African-Americans and you're still gonna get your ass busted.

      • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 24 2018, @11:24AM (7 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 24 2018, @11:24AM (#627094)

        It's the PR term that dumbass-in-chief uses to pander to his base.

        Is it? Has the President or his staff ever referred to it as a "muslim ban"? As far as I've seen, it's only the mainstream media which uses that term, to pander to their bases.

        • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 24 2018, @02:58PM (3 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 24 2018, @02:58PM (#627153)

          My apologies, they indeed call it a "travel ban".

          In the beginning of his campaign, Trump was calling for a "Muslim ban", which even a moron could see is obviously unconstitutional. So they changed the name to "travel ban", but kept the contents the same. You know, as when you rob a bank, but say you're "taking out the laundry", that makes it legal.

          "What's in a name? that which we call a rose
          By any other word would smell as sweet"

          • (Score: 2) by unauthorized on Wednesday January 24 2018, @05:21PM (2 children)

            by unauthorized (3776) on Wednesday January 24 2018, @05:21PM (#627234)

            So he changed his position. When somebody says they want to rob a bank and then later literally takes out the bank's laundry, you don't call that a bank robbery, do you?

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 24 2018, @07:21PM (1 child)

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 24 2018, @07:21PM (#627312)

              Are you feeling ok? Seems like your fever might be spiking.

        • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday January 24 2018, @06:46PM (2 children)

          by DeathMonkey (1380) on Wednesday January 24 2018, @06:46PM (#627282) Journal
          • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 24 2018, @07:33PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 24 2018, @07:33PM (#627319)

            Hey now, that was candidate Trump and obviously President Trump is a very different person. You can't expect campaign promises to have anything to do with his actual term in office can you??

          • (Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Wednesday January 24 2018, @10:12PM

            by realDonaldTrump (6614) on Wednesday January 24 2018, @10:12PM (#627414) Homepage Journal

            People, the lawyers and the courts can call it whatever they want, but I am calling it what we need and what it is, a TRAVEL BAN!

  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by bradley13 on Wednesday January 24 2018, @10:51AM (5 children)

    by bradley13 (3053) on Wednesday January 24 2018, @10:51AM (#627083) Homepage Journal

    ...is the fact that these challenges can be made at all. It is apparently within the powers of the executive to control immigration law. These challenges are only based on supposed "religiuos discrimination" against muslims. This is pretty clearly nonsense, as there are plenty of muslim-majority countries not on the list.

    Debate his choices of countries, sure. Personally, I think it is past time for Saudia Arabia to be shunned by the West. But claiming religious discrimination? That's just to attract attention? They can't actually be serious, surely?

    --
    Everyone is somebody else's weirdo.
    • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 24 2018, @11:28AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 24 2018, @11:28AM (#627095)

      Debate his choices of countries, sure. Personally, I think it is past time for Saudia Arabia to be shunned by the West. But claiming religious discrimination? That's just to attract attention? They can't actually be serious, surely?

      If criticising Israel counts as anti-semitism, then criticising Saudi, or any other nominally Muslim state, must be islamophobia.

      Except if it's done in the name of Israel.

    • (Score: 2) by nobu_the_bard on Wednesday January 24 2018, @01:56PM (1 child)

      by nobu_the_bard (6373) on Wednesday January 24 2018, @01:56PM (#627127)

      Of course they can make the challenge... but the Supreme Court can also decide there's nothing to be done about it (by them, at least).

      I'm not happy about the ban but I don't think this is the best way to fight it, personally.

      • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 24 2018, @04:15PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 24 2018, @04:15PM (#627202)

        I don't think this is the best way to fight it, personally

        If the ban is unconstitutional, then this is one of the best ways to fight it and apparently the case has enough merit to get this far. If the ban is constitutional, then it is best that everyone knows what the expanse of these powers is.

        I haven't really been following the issue but, in general, I'm in favor of limiting the powers of the executive branch especially whenever they use terrorism as an excuse.

    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Thexalon on Wednesday January 24 2018, @03:27PM (1 child)

      by Thexalon (636) on Wednesday January 24 2018, @03:27PM (#627169)

      There are 2 ways to prove religious discrimination by the government in court: You can either prove that the effect of a policy is discriminatory, or you can prove that the intent of the policy is discriminatory. For instance, if you have a policy that says "Police should investigate all religious groups for signs that they are dangerous cults", and then only investigate synagogues, that's a violation of the Free Exercise Clause. Or, if a politician is on the record saying something like "We should get rid of all those Papists in town", and then passes laws that don't mention any religion by name but cause problems for the Catholic Church, that's also a violation of the Free Exercise Clause.

      In this case, members of the Trump administration have said and Tweeted publicly that make it pretty clear that the purpose of the policy is to discriminate against Muslims who live in the Middle East and Africa. That's why the case can go forward.

      What I expect to happen is the same thing that happened the last time this got in front of SCOTUS: Right before the ruling is going to come out, they'll end the policy officially, then immediately create a new somewhat different version of the policy, and SCOTUS will say the lawsuit was over the former version of the policy and declare the whole thing moot.

      --
      The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
      • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday January 24 2018, @06:49PM

        by DeathMonkey (1380) on Wednesday January 24 2018, @06:49PM (#627284) Journal

        ...or you can prove that the intent of the policy is discriminatory.

        And when the president specifically says he wants to ban Muslims intent is pretty easy to prove.

  • (Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 24 2018, @04:31PM (9 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 24 2018, @04:31PM (#627209)

    There has been just 1 terrorist attack in Japan since World War II. The country has about 1000 muslims, all monitored by the government. The country has admitted 3 refugees, 2 of which have raped. Muslims are not eligible to obtain citizenship.

    China has gotten the message. Recent changes in the law prohibit all sorts of muslim stuff in that troublesome muslim-infected western region. China banned korans, prayer rugs, and naming babies with muslim names.

    Meanwhile, we squabble over the issue for internal political power. We mostly ignore the deadly threat because democrats and republicans always see everything as something to take opposite sides on. If they oppose it, we support it. If they support it, we oppose it. Meanwhile, the infestation grows.

    Freedom of religion is a nice ideal, but we don't tolerate chucking LGBT off of buildings. Why would we tolerate the growth of a religion that will, ultimately, have the power to change our constitution to be subservient to sharia? Exponential population growth of the invaders will seal our doom. They do not and will not accept our values, either democrat or republican. To them, we are filth to be exterminated.

    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by tangomargarine on Wednesday January 24 2018, @05:03PM (8 children)

      by tangomargarine (667) on Wednesday January 24 2018, @05:03PM (#627219)

      There has been just 1 terrorist attack in Japan since World War II. The country has about 1000 muslims, all monitored by the government. The country has admitted 3 refugees, 2 of which have raped. Muslims are not eligible to obtain citizenship.

      China has gotten the message. Recent changes in the law prohibit all sorts of muslim stuff in that troublesome muslim-infected western region. China banned korans, prayer rugs, and naming babies with muslim names.

      Meanwhile, we squabble over the issue for internal political power. We mostly ignore the deadly threat

      You're assuming that most people are pragmatists. The U.S. was not really founded on pragmatism. You remember those founding principles of liberty, pursuit of happiness, democracy (republicanism)? Liberty is messy. People doing what they want without the government interfering is messy.

      Japan's policies about immigration and citizenship have their own problems. Isn't Japan basically known as an incredibly racist society?* It's impossible to become a Japanese citizen unless you're already Japanese, basically. If you want to mimic that policy in the U.S....um, okay I guess, but that really throws the whole "melting pot" theory out the window. Not that I imagine you'd have a problem with that.

      And then you cite China as an example, which is mostly about controlling what people do, say, and think. It sounds like you really don't buy into the principles the U.S. was founded on.

      One of my rules of thumb for awhile now is that every argument can be reduced to a question of idealism vs. pragmatism. In this case, we're refactoring authoritarianism vs. personal liberty to get there. If you come down on the side of authoritarianism, maybe you should move to someplace else like China where that is in vogue.

      Freedom of religion is a nice ideal, but we don't tolerate chucking LGBT off of buildings.

      The heck? You're saying freedom of religion is comparable to murdering people? No. You don't prosecute people for what they believe; you prosecute them for what they *do.*

      Why would we tolerate the growth of a religion that will, ultimately, have the power to change our constitution to be subservient to sharia?

      Okay, this is the first thing you've said that I can actually buy into, but it sort of contradicts the rest of your post.

      *This was most of the problem with them in WWII, you're probably aware. Even after the second nuke they practically had to stage a coup to surrender because of how strongly they believed they were the master race/society.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 24 2018, @08:05PM (4 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 24 2018, @08:05PM (#627349)

        Currently, the Muslims in the USA almost never chuck LGBT off of buildings. We prohibit that behavior.

        As they gain political power, the situation changes. The more liberal muslims are cowed into submission, keeping their mouths shut so that they don't get attacked. The desires of the most fanatical muslims become the law of the land.

        Either we stop it ASAP, or it takes over. Most likely, we are already doomed, because we don't have the balls to fight dirty. They will genocide us, assuming we don't somehow find the will to do that first.

        In some sense, freedom of religion IN THIS CASE is comparable to murdering people, because that will be the result. Allowing this freedom will, ultimately, cause lots of death. Eh, the killing isn't technically "murder" if the law is changed to allow or require it.

        • (Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Wednesday January 24 2018, @09:15PM (3 children)

          by tangomargarine (667) on Wednesday January 24 2018, @09:15PM (#627382)

          The old "in order to preserve our way of life we must give it up" argument.

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 24 2018, @09:28PM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 24 2018, @09:28PM (#627391)

            We aren't giving up our way of life. Even if we were, that particular way of life is horrible.

            Be stubbornly extremist about completely arbitrary freedom of religion, and soon enough you'll have no freedom of religion.

            • (Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Wednesday January 24 2018, @10:13PM

              by tangomargarine (667) on Wednesday January 24 2018, @10:13PM (#627415)

              Be stubbornly extremist about completely arbitrary freedom of religion

              That idea you're so casually dismissing is called Egalitarianism. You know, one of the three pillars [wikipedia.org] of the French Revolution.

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          • (Score: 2, Troll) by realDonaldTrump on Wednesday January 24 2018, @10:22PM

            by realDonaldTrump (6614) on Wednesday January 24 2018, @10:22PM (#627425) Homepage Journal

            I gave up a beautiful life. I do miss my old life. I lived in a penthouse in New York, in Trump Tower. With FABULOUS views of Fifth Avenue, Madison Avenue and nearby Central Park. Now I live in a TOTAL DUMP. I put up gold curtains, it's still a dump. I like to work, so that's not a problem, but this is actually more work. It's been very hard fr me. And the new Tax Act is going to cost me a lot, believe me. My taxes are going up TREMENDOUSLY. But I don't mind. I do it all to Make America Great Again.

      • (Score: 2) by crafoo on Wednesday January 24 2018, @09:07PM (2 children)

        by crafoo (6639) on Wednesday January 24 2018, @09:07PM (#627375)

        Japan's policies about immigration and citizenship have their own problems. Isn't Japan basically known as an incredibly racist society?* It's impossible to become a Japanese citizen unless you're already Japanese, basically.

        What's wrong with that? It's their country, it's their culture, it's their people. It's their rules. Why do you assume they must accept foreigners into their society? Not doing so is a "problem"? What a curious worldview.

        • (Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Wednesday January 24 2018, @09:13PM (1 child)

          by tangomargarine (667) on Wednesday January 24 2018, @09:13PM (#627380)

          Go back and reread my post--I didn't say there was anything wrong with it. If you're a fan of "no, fuck off, you can't come live here" then they're doing everything right.

          It's their country, it's their culture, it's their people. It's their rules. Why do you assume they must

          Obviously completely missed the point of my entire post. Try again.

          To elaborate, one pragmatic problem with their immigration policy is that the country's population is shrinking over time because they don't let anybody new in, and the population apparently doesn't want to reproduce enough.

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 24 2018, @09:33PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 24 2018, @09:33PM (#627396)

            The people who bother to reproduce will produce kids who bother to reproduce. Evolution will quickly resolve the problems of birth control and distraction.

            Japan will remain Japanese. The same can not be said of Germany, France, Sweden, Britain, etc. Those cultures will be wiped from the Earth.

  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 24 2018, @05:09PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 24 2018, @05:09PM (#627225)

    I wanted to read the decision of the lower court to get an idea of the specific legal argument the Supreme Court would be evaluating. I didn't expect the article to link directly to it, since the URL was a news site and not a legal blog, but I expected it would at least name the plaintiff or in some manner indicate which of the multiple different legal challenges it is referring to. It didn't. Please don't submit or approve fluff articles that talk only about "How will this affect your Grandma?" rather than the technical details.

    • (Score: 3, Informative) by AthanasiusKircher on Thursday January 25 2018, @12:41AM

      by AthanasiusKircher (5291) on Thursday January 25 2018, @12:41AM (#627484) Journal

      SCOTUSblog usually is a good place to find coverage of this stuff (and links to more official documents on cases). I assume this is the case in question [scotusblog.com], with all the technical stuff you might want at the SCOTUS level, several articles of commentary, and links to other related documents.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 24 2018, @11:49PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 24 2018, @11:49PM (#627460)

    Put up every racist, and pro neo-nazi, comment into the court record as evidence of his bias.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 25 2018, @06:47PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 25 2018, @06:47PM (#627803)

      Don't forget to include a photo of Trump with his black girlfriend. That is evidence of jungle fever.

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