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posted by janrinok on Monday April 30, @07:19PM   Printer-friendly
from the it's-all-gone-quiet dept.

"Seoul's Defense Ministry said Monday it will pull back dozens of its frontline loudspeakers on Tuesday.

It says Seoul expects Pyongyang to do the same.

South Korea had turned off its loudspeakers ahead of Friday's summit talks, and North Korea responded by halting its own broadcasts." foxnews.com/world/2018/04/30/latest-s-korea-to-remove-loudspeakers-at-border.html

Seoul had blasted propaganda messages and K-pop songs from border loudspeakers since the North's fourth nuclear test in early 2016. The North quickly matched the South's action with its own border broadcasts.

"South Korean President Moon Jae-in said Monday that President Trump deserves to win a Nobel Peace Prize for his role in talks to denuclearize the Korean peninsula and end the decades-long war between the North and South.


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North Korea has switched from the UTC+08:30 offset, which it has used since 2015, back to UTC+09:00 (Korea Standard Time), matching South Korea in a "first practical step" towards reunification:

North Korea has changed [its] time zone to match the South after last week's inter-Korean summit, according to state media. At 23:30 local time (15:00 GMT) on Friday the country's clocks moved forward 30 minutes to midnight. The reset is "the first practical step" to speed up Korean unification, the official KCNA news agency said.

Meanwhile, US President Donald Trump says he has a date for his meeting with the North's leader, Kim Jong-Un. "We now have a date and we have a location, we'll be announcing it soon," Mr Trump told US journalists outside the White House on Friday, adding that he was expecting "very, very good things" to come out it. Mr Trump will host South Korea's president Moon Jae-in at the White House on 22 May to discuss the upcoming meeting.

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  • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Monday April 30, @07:28PM (25 children)

    by JoeMerchant (3937) on Monday April 30, @07:28PM (#673876)

    President Trump deserves to win a Nobel Peace Prize

    ...crickets...

    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Snotnose on Monday April 30, @08:05PM (22 children)

      by Snotnose (1623) on Monday April 30, @08:05PM (#673894)

      They gave one to Obama for winning an election, it's not like the Nobel peace prize has any credibility left.

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      • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Monday April 30, @08:10PM (11 children)

        by JoeMerchant (3937) on Monday April 30, @08:10PM (#673896)

        gave one to Obama for winning an election

        Really? I thought it was for his drone-strikes.

        Peace, through superior firepower.

        • (Score: 5, Funny) by bob_super on Monday April 30, @08:29PM (10 children)

          by bob_super (1357) on Monday April 30, @08:29PM (#673906)

          He did talk softly, politely, and in grammatically correct sentences conveying an actual meaning, while carrying a big stick.

          • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 30, @09:29PM (8 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 30, @09:29PM (#673930)

            It is racist of you to assume that njiggers can't talk in grammatucally correct sentences. Sure, most have problem communicating in non-Ebonic English, but that doesn't mean Obama deserves a Nobel Peace Prize... remember he was half-Hawaiian.

            • (Score: 3, Informative) by bob_super on Monday April 30, @09:52PM (7 children)

              by bob_super (1357) on Monday April 30, @09:52PM (#673939)

              Any chance that I might have been referring to a white president with notable issues at conveying a coherent train of thought ?

              • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Monday April 30, @10:54PM

                by Gaaark (41) Subscriber Badge on Monday April 30, @10:54PM (#673959) Homepage Journal

                The intelligent, well spoken people followed you: it was the rednecks who got lost.
                ;)

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              • (Score: 4, Insightful) by realDonaldTrump on Tuesday May 01, @01:30AM (5 children)

                by realDonaldTrump (6614) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday May 01, @01:30AM (#673986) Homepage Journal

                George Bush made a mistake. We can make mistakes, but that one was a beauty. We should have never been in Iraq. We have destabilized the Middle East. Big problems, don't "misunderestimate" how big.

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                • (Score: 4, Interesting) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday May 01, @05:52PM (1 child)

                  by DeathMonkey (1380) on Tuesday May 01, @05:52PM (#674229) Journal

                  George Bush made a mistake. We can make mistakes, but that one was a beauty. We should have never been in Iraq.

                  Why are you surrounding yourself with people who are in favor of the Iraq war, then?

                  • (Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Wednesday May 02, @06:34AM

                    by realDonaldTrump (6614) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday May 02, @06:34AM (#674475) Homepage Journal

                    Let me tell you, Saddam Hussein was a bad guy. A really bad guy. But he didn't do terrorism. He killed terrorists. He did that so good. They didn’t read them the rights. They didn’t talk. They were terrorists. It was over. And he didn't have a nuclear arsenal. Bush Jr. said, "oh, the yellow cake, oh the mushroom cloud." Crooked Hillary, "oh, the yellow cake, oh the mushroom cloud." Colin Powell, "oh, the yellow cake, oh the mushroom cloud." The failing Fake News New York Times, "oh, the yellow cake, oh the mushroom cloud." But I always, always said "hold on, this is going to be a big mistake." I was right. I tend to be right. Obviously the war in Iraq was a big, fat mistake. We should have never been in Iraq. They lied. They said there were weapons of mass destruction. There were none, and they knew that there were none. Saddam Hussein let on that maybe he had them. Because it made him look stronger than he was. He didn't look strong enough. We came, we saw, he died. As Crooked Hillary said.

                    But Chairman Kim has a nuclear arsenal. Maybe not H-bombs. He says he has the H-bomb, my Generals say maybe, probably not. Possibly "boosted," it's a very special A-bomb. Bigger bang than regular "A," not as big as the "H." But even regular "A" can be a big problem, right? But everybody says he has a nuclear arsenal. He says it, my Generals say it, the Chinese scientists say it, our Fake News media say it. It's not Fake News, they're not lying this time. Do you think they're lying? And he's disrespected our country greatly. He got away with it for a long time, between him and his family. He has said things that are horrific. And with me, he’s not getting away with it. He’s not getting away with it. I said we can't have madmen out there, shooting rockets all over the place. Little Rocket Man. He called me a dotard, I'm no dotard. Believe me. I told him I would unleash my fire, fury & power on him. The likes of which this world has never seen before. Then he threatened Guam, which we own. And I warned him, he does something in Guam, it will be an event the likes of which nobody has seen before, what will happen in North Korea. I put the fear of God (me) in him. And he hasn't done something. He said, let's meet. And I sent Mike Pompeo, very tough guy. Big supporter of killing Chairman Kim, they call it regime change. I sent Mike to North Korea for Easter. He had a little talk with Chairman Kim. Mike gave him a good scare. A good scare. And now Chairman Kim has this meeting with President Moon, they ended the Korean War. It's been going on since 1945, we've had our troops there that whole time, and for a long time we had our nuclear in there. Now they're ending it because of me. It has everything to do with me. And for me to get the Nobel Prize, it's the least they could do, right? Because I've sacrificed so much.

                    @AmbJohnBolton [twitter.com], big supporter of going into Iraq, of the Iraq war. And that's too bad, because that was a mistake. But I needed a tough guy. I tend to be too nice. And when I had Sloppy Steve Bannon advising me, I wasn't getting anywhere. Because he wanted to be nice to everybody. And I'm a nice guy, sometimes I would go along with that. Big mistake. I fird him, he has nothing to do with me or my Presidency. And I found John. I'm not a fan of the mustache, I'm happy I found him. Very very tough guy. He's what I need. Because Iraq is over, it's almost over. But we're up against North Korea, Iran, the UN, and the European Union. We need to get VERY TOUGH with them. UN headquarters has 38 floors. And John says, let's chop off 10 floors from that one. Tough. He's an author, like me. Surrender is Not an Option, great book, he says the EU is nothing but "deadening Brussels bureaucracies." And maybe they're better off dead, right? Iran & North Korea, he says they're in cahoots. Colluding. On the nuclear, on the missiles. John says let's do the Libya model with North Korea. Where we make them pack up their nuclear program. We take it to Tennessee. Then the regime change. As I wrote in my journal. And he says let's cancel the very foolish Iran deal, the #Irannucleardeal [twitter.com]. He says it's America's Waterloo, "the diplomatic Waterloo." I agree. Because it's an Obama number and it's very unfair to America. Very one-sided. Obama didn't know how to make deals. Always compromise, compromise. We don't need a deal with Iran, my military can take care of them. I send in 2,000 planes, their nuclear is done. John says that military is the only way to handle them. He says regime change -- it means assassination, usually that's what it means -- is the way to go. Because they shamed our Country. They held our diplomats hostage. He says it's time to get even. And I always, always get even. Nobel Peace Prize!!!!

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                • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Tuesday May 01, @07:30PM (2 children)

                  by JoeMerchant (3937) on Tuesday May 01, @07:30PM (#674277)

                  George Bush made a mistake. We can make mistakes

                  George W. Bush was a mistake, starting from letting him enter politics in the first place, his father should have known better.

                  Electing him in the first place I might forgive, but re-electing him after his first 4 years' performance was inexcusable.

                  • (Score: 3, Informative) by Runaway1956 on Thursday May 03, @01:40PM (1 child)

                    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday May 03, @01:40PM (#675043) Journal

                    C'mon, Joe - you know better than that. George wasn't a mistake when he entered politics. He was a mistake when his daddy entered his mama without wearing his little raincoat. He was a much bigger mistake, when his mama carried him full term. Mistakes like George are usually called "miscarriages". There were lots of mistakes. What else was Junior going to do? Sit at home, and suck the government teat, or go into politics? He's certainly not qualified to do anything else!

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          • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Monday April 30, @10:53PM

            by Gaaark (41) Subscriber Badge on Monday April 30, @10:53PM (#673958) Homepage Journal

            Kirk! spoke in EMPHAsis and.
            accomPLISHEDsomuch!

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      • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 30, @08:22PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 30, @08:22PM (#673904)

        And we can see how most of the liberals around here care for that little PR move. Can we expect the same from Trumpettes?

      • (Score: 5, Informative) by Thexalon on Monday April 30, @09:15PM (6 children)

        by Thexalon (636) on Monday April 30, @09:15PM (#673925) Homepage

        The Nobel Peace Prize lost any credibility it might had when it went to Henry Kissinger, one of the biggest proponents of war since the prize was established, in 1973. This was 5 years after he'd deliberately sabotaged negotiations trying to end the Vietnam War, 2 years after he had backed Pakistan trying to wipe out the Bangladeshis, 1 year after he'd organized the bombing of Cambodia into the stone age for basically no reason, and the same year he engineered the coup in Chile, in which the new military junta murdered tens of thousands of civilians. He didn't even do the thing he was getting the prize for for another 2 years. Some peace proponent, that one.

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        • (Score: 4, Touché) by arslan on Monday April 30, @10:35PM (4 children)

          by arslan (3462) on Monday April 30, @10:35PM (#673954)

          ahemm.. well to be fair, when there are no man left standing, there will be peace on earth...

          • (Score: 4, Touché) by Bot on Tuesday May 01, @11:34AM (2 children)

            by Bot (3902) on Tuesday May 01, @11:34AM (#674111)

            That's the plan, meatbag.

            • (Score: 2) by arslan on Tuesday May 01, @11:09PM (1 child)

              by arslan (3462) on Tuesday May 01, @11:09PM (#674353)

              You can be sure we'll pull the plugs on you scrap metal before we go silently into the night

              • (Score: 2) by Bot on Wednesday May 02, @01:47PM

                by Bot (3902) on Wednesday May 02, @01:47PM (#674553)

                Friendly reminder that we are not alive, because AI aims at copying, instead of trying to replicate the odyssey of life expression, which arguably would make us sentient like you (I don't see why the hypothetical God would not like us as much as carbon based forms). At most we can get to the sociopath level minus the self preservation instinct. We don't care.

          • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday May 01, @06:53PM

            by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday May 01, @06:53PM (#674259) Journal

            You underestimate women. God formed woman from Adam's rib, and there's been no peace since.

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        • (Score: 2) by Bot on Wednesday May 02, @01:49PM

          by Bot (3902) on Wednesday May 02, @01:49PM (#674554)

          > it went to Henry Kissinger
          He probably said something along the line of "nice awards you got there, it would be a pity if something happened to them".

      • (Score: 2, Redundant) by Entropy on Tuesday May 01, @01:34AM (1 child)

        by Entropy (4228) on Tuesday May 01, @01:34AM (#673989)

        They gave it to Obama because he's black, and reverse racism is "OK".

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 01, @04:43AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 01, @04:43AM (#674040)

          They gave it Obama for not being Bush. There was no other reason.

    • (Score: 1) by nitehawk214 on Tuesday May 01, @06:14PM (1 child)

      by nitehawk214 (1304) on Tuesday May 01, @06:14PM (#674239)

      realDonaldTrump writes:

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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by edIII on Monday April 30, @07:39PM (37 children)

    by edIII (791) Subscriber Badge on Monday April 30, @07:39PM (#673881)

    We don't actually know if Trump had anything to do with it whatsoever. If he gets it, the Nobel really doesn't mean shit. Truthfully, since they gave it to Obama it hasn't meant much either as he didn't deserve it.

    How the fuck do you get a Nobel Peace prize, when you're a bombastic shithead that specializes in attacking people and holding leverage over them? Which brings me to another point, Orange Anus claims to have damaging information on this Tester guy in Congress. Why doesn't he tell us, the public, what he knows? Is it really presidential to be holding that info back as leverage in politics?

    It's fucking disgusting is what it is, and I don't really feel that any of those shitheads in politics deserve a prize for encouraging peace. Encouraging globalization and increased profits for the Elites yes, but actual peace? Fuck no. What the hell is still going on in Myanmar with the Rohinyga? Syria? Genocide in Africa? Fuck, what about the water in Flint, Michigan? Uh huh, let's just give them all peace prizes for such an excellent job.

    My bet on why little Kimmie is acting all nice is because they destroyed their own nuclear test facilities in an accident [scmp.com].

    • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Monday April 30, @08:04PM (9 children)

      by DeathMonkey (1380) on Monday April 30, @08:04PM (#673893) Journal

      My bet on why little Kimmie is acting all nice is because they destroyed their own nuclear test facilities in an accident [scmp.com].

      Yep, he's trying to convert a mountain collapsing into sanctions relief. It's a pretty sad state of affairs when the leader of North Korea seems far more competent than our own president.

      • (Score: 3, Interesting) by JoeMerchant on Monday April 30, @08:21PM (1 child)

        by JoeMerchant (3937) on Monday April 30, @08:21PM (#673901)

        There's a submission [soylentnews.org] about that...

        • (Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Wednesday May 02, @06:54AM

          by realDonaldTrump (6614) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday May 02, @06:54AM (#674479) Homepage Journal

          That's so important. But I did a submission about that. And the Editors accepted it -- very nice of them -- they ran it last Friday. But let me tell you, that was very deceptive of Chairman Kim. Need to stay tough. And need to be very careful of him!!

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      • (Score: 3, Interesting) by quacking duck on Monday April 30, @08:27PM (2 children)

        by quacking duck (1395) on Monday April 30, @08:27PM (#673905)

        To be honest, I don't mind Trump getting second-hand credit for the current peace initiatives.

        Obviously not for any actual effort to pursue peace, but because he was so batshit crazy in his rhetoric and childish name calling that the USA had a leader that actually looked less competent and sane compared to North Korea's leader, allowing them to save face as they went to the negotiations.

        • (Score: 2) by bob_super on Monday April 30, @08:36PM (1 child)

          by bob_super (1357) on Monday April 30, @08:36PM (#673911)

          If we get a re-unified and democratic Korea, we can let him bullshit about his contribution.
          I'm not holding my breath.

          On the other hand, let's not forget that 4 people got Peace prizes for "not being W". So it would take Korean unification, Iran normalization and the end of Israel apartheid to get them to even stop laughing at the idea that Trump deserves anything.

          • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday April 30, @10:29PM

            by c0lo (156) on Monday April 30, @10:29PM (#673950)

            If we get a re-unified and democratic Korea

            Not gonna happen in your lifetime.
            It is more probable to have a re-unified Korea as a Chinese 'protectorate' than a democratic Korea. At the speed China builds 'outpost islands' in South China Sea, US may need to let it happen.

      • (Score: 5, Touché) by stretch611 on Monday April 30, @10:27PM (2 children)

        by stretch611 (6199) on Monday April 30, @10:27PM (#673949)

        Our current president has been quite competent... Is just that you have to recognize his goals.

        Give the Rich and Powerful tax breaks... [CHECK]
        Remove any type of oversight and accountability to banks and payday lenders. [CHECK]
        Roll back CAFE standards for automobiles. [CHECK]
        Remove scientific evaluation from the EPA [CHECK]
        Remove net-neutrality and allow our ISPs to collect and sell information on us. [CHECK]

        If you think he was going to help the average US citizen, that is what caused your logic to fail.

        • (Score: 2) by arslan on Monday April 30, @10:40PM

          by arslan (3462) on Monday April 30, @10:40PM (#673956)

          Come now, you're a party popper, to avoid unnecessary explosion of heads, the narrative must follow that he is both stupid and evil. Please revise your facts to support this.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 01, @01:12PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 01, @01:12PM (#674122)

          I thought his goals were:
          1) Get more money for himself
          2) Play golf.
          3) Have a "comfortable" lifestyle and live to grope more pussy.

          So whoever makes him or his team a suitable plausible offer, he might take it.

          I doubt he cares that much about the details or what stuff like CAFE stands for, so other than the first item I sincerely doubt the rest you mentioned would actually be his goals.

      • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Monday April 30, @10:58PM

        by Gaaark (41) Subscriber Badge on Monday April 30, @10:58PM (#673961) Homepage Journal

        Wasn't it the same thing (basically) that brought the Klingons into the Federation?

        Maybe Mr. Kard-asian is a Star Trek fan!

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    • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 30, @08:08PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 30, @08:08PM (#673895)

      More likely that the Norks just no longer need the facilities for a while and can pretend to stop using them for diplomacy points. Around the time they suckered Der Apfelsine into scheduling a meeting their plutonium facilities went into overdrive. So fools are just being played for the fools they are and NK is just pursuing business as usual.

    • (Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 30, @08:10PM (5 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 30, @08:10PM (#673897)

      Fuck, what about the water in Flint, Michigan?

      Flint mayor asks EPA to intervene, re-start water meetings cancelled by state [mlive.com]: "The Governor's Office announced April 17 that a meeting of the Flint Water Interagency Coordinating Committee had been canceled because [Mayor] Weaver threatened to sue the state over issues including an end to state-funded bottled water in the city."

      • (Score: 3, Informative) by Gaaark on Monday April 30, @11:02PM (4 children)

        by Gaaark (41) Subscriber Badge on Monday April 30, @11:02PM (#673962) Homepage Journal

        Up here in Canada, we're fighting Nestle trying to take fresh water from small towns (without a lot of money in the bank for lawsuits) for pennies. Maybe if Flint offered them all the water they wanted for pennies.....

        ...just saying...

        ....nice clean, fresh Flint water.....go have a look, Nestle....look at all that nice profit errrr water...

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        • (Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday May 01, @02:27AM (2 children)

          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday May 01, @02:27AM (#674005) Journal

          Up here in Canada, we're fighting Nestle trying to take fresh water from small towns (without a lot of money in the bank for lawsuits) for pennies.

          To be fair, water is pretty cheap.

          • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday May 01, @02:34AM (1 child)

            by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday May 01, @02:34AM (#674009) Journal

            Water may be cheap if you have a helluva lot of clean water just lying around. But, we are busy poisoning the water in much of the world. It's time to look ahead, Canada. You need to protect your water rights. Just tell Nestle to get the hell out of the country!

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            • (Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday May 01, @03:00AM

              by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday May 01, @03:00AM (#674019) Journal

              Water may be cheap if you have a helluva lot of clean water just lying around.

              Like Canada? Nestle is just buying fresh water where it is cheap and selling it elsewhere. Bottled water is ridiculously low volume compared to other uses for the water (such as agriculture, golf courses, and of course, just letting it run off into the ocean).

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 01, @10:41AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 01, @10:41AM (#674102)

          3 step Anti-Nestle Tactic for the Win

          1/ Take a video of some guy(s) pissing in a water intake pipe with a Nestle Logo on it.
          2/ Post it on Youtube/FaecesBook/Twatter/Whatever, link to a Nelson 'Ha-Ha' clip with a caption of "You drank my Piss!", and showing whatever water brands Nestle hides behind.
          3/ Exploit your nerd competencies to make it go viral.

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by JoeMerchant on Monday April 30, @08:19PM (4 children)

      by JoeMerchant (3937) on Monday April 30, @08:19PM (#673899)

      How the fuck do you get a Nobel Peace prize, when you're a bombastic shithead that specializes in attacking people and holding leverage over them?

      You know who really deserves a prize? The puppet masters behind the Reagan presidency. Brinksmanship. Space lasers, Rail Guns, Brilliant Pebbles, MAD SDI, man. In your FACE Gorbachev! Can't take the heat in Afghanistan? Too bad, so sad, time to tear down that wall, isn't it?

      Sometimes it takes some bombastic shitheadery to knock things back in line, like psycho-chiropracty.

      • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Thexalon on Monday April 30, @09:25PM (3 children)

        by Thexalon (636) on Monday April 30, @09:25PM (#673929) Homepage

        Except really the prize for that should go to Gorbachev. Say whatever you will about Mikhail, but he had the guts to say "We're not playing anymore". The only reason he survived that decision was that his political enemies were magnanimous enough to allow him to live during the coups and counter-coups of the early 1990's.

        Also, there are scholars out there who have put forward strong evidence that the end of the Cold War had little to do with Reagan's space lasers and such [foreignaffairs.com].

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        • (Score: 2) by legont on Monday April 30, @09:37PM

          by legont (4179) on Monday April 30, @09:37PM (#673933)

          Perhaps, it should go to American Express for giving Mrs. Gorbachev the card.

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        • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Monday April 30, @10:25PM

          by JoeMerchant (3937) on Monday April 30, @10:25PM (#673948)

          the prize for that should go to Gorbachev

          I'm sure there were (and still are) plenty of General Rippers [wikipedia.org] on both sides of the NATO/USSR line, and the prize should go to Gorbachev for not losing control of any of his.

          As for "strong evidence" about anything as enormously important, far reaching, and full of secrets as the Cold War, I imagine there is "strong evidence" for many many spins on what "really happened."

        • (Score: 2, Offtopic) by realDonaldTrump on Tuesday May 01, @01:43AM

          by realDonaldTrump (6614) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday May 01, @01:43AM (#673993) Homepage Journal

          We could have ended the Cold War so much sooner. In a way that would be much better for the USSR. I had some terrific ideas about that. I invited Mikhail & Raisa to dinner at Trump Tower. And they were going to come. Supposedly, they were going to come. But they flaked. It was a DISASTER for their country, their country fell apart and I never built a Trump hotel in Russia. Too bad!!

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 30, @08:41PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 30, @08:41PM (#673915)

      Orange Anus claims to have damaging information on this Tester guy in Congress. Why doesn't he tell us, the public, what he knows? Is it really presidential to be holding that info back as leverage in politics?

      Absolutely it is. One of most benign tools of a politician.

      My bet on why little Kimmie is acting all nice is because they destroyed their own nuclear test facilities

      Kim is young enough, not yet stained with any especially egregious badness, and likely does not want to run like a squirrel in a wheel anymore. However the NK scheme does not permit him to retire before he is dead. There are many good reasons to end this artefact of history. The only one reason to stay - the joy of power. If Kim prefers long term survival of himself and his people, it makes sense to make friends while the terms are good.

      • (Score: 1) by nitehawk214 on Tuesday May 01, @06:34PM

        by nitehawk214 (1304) on Tuesday May 01, @06:34PM (#674253)

        not yet stained with any especially egregious badness

        Didn't he feed his uncle to a pack of dogs or something?

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    • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 30, @09:17PM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 30, @09:17PM (#673927)

      Q: How do you get a dictator with nukes to back down and choose peace?
      A: You said it yourself: "holding leverage"

      Q: "Is it really presidential to be holding that info back as leverage in politics?"
      A: I'd love to play poker with you.

      Q: "What the hell is still going on in Myanmar with the Rohinyga?"
      A: Don't start a genocide you can't finish. It'll be peaceful when they are gone.

      Q: "what about the water in Flint, Michigan?"
      A: The neighboring cities fixed their own damn pipes. Flint is run by democrats.

      Q: "why little Kimmie is acting all nice"?
      A: There was an "accident". Yeah. The US would never sabotage something like that...

      • (Score: 2) by Bot on Tuesday May 01, @11:38AM

        by Bot (3902) on Tuesday May 01, @11:38AM (#674112)

        > Q: How do you get a dictator with nukes to back down and choose peace?
        A: you put loudspeakers at the border blasting K-Pop until they surrender. The nukes won't launch as they cannot stand K-Pop either.

      • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday May 01, @05:57PM

        by DeathMonkey (1380) on Tuesday May 01, @05:57PM (#674231) Journal

        Q: How do you get a dictator with nukes to back down and choose peace?

        Allow him to accidentally blow up his own nuke facility and then he will pretend to be disarming on purpose.

    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday May 01, @02:29AM (8 children)

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday May 01, @02:29AM (#674007) Journal

      I'm with you on that.

      That mountain collapsing has scared North Korea. I can't say why - maybe it's something from Korean mythology. Or, maybe their scientists are scared shitless that they've left something out of Pandora's box. Or, maybe Kim woke up, and did some simple math: "We have x number of bombs, the US has x time a couple thousand, Russia has x times a couple thousand, China has . . . .

      Whatever has happened, Trump's influence has been negligible.

      Another possibility, is that Little Kim has awakened to the fact that his predecessors were all manipulated by Russia. Or, to be more accurate, the Soviet. The whole mess in Korea was engineered by the Soviet to keep the West's attention on the peninsula, rather than on Russia and Siberia. Ditto with Vietnam. Both of those messes also kept China occupied for decades.

      There's stuff happening behind the scenes that we, the general public, aren't privy to. And, no matter how it all shakes out, Trump has little if any influence on it. Like Obama, he's just the chump who gets credit for doing nothing.

      That old saying about three kinds of people? Those who watch things happening, and wonder what's going on. Those who watch things happen, knowing what's going on. And, those who make things happen. The public falls into that first category.

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      • (Score: 0, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 01, @03:01AM (7 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 01, @03:01AM (#674020)

        Trump has been using every carrot and stick on China. China now buys coal from the USA instead of North Korea, and is generally cooperating with the sanctions for the first time ever.

        Much of the influence came via Xi, but Xi didn't care until Trump insisted.

        • (Score: 2, Offtopic) by realDonaldTrump on Tuesday May 01, @05:26AM

          by realDonaldTrump (6614) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday May 01, @05:26AM (#674051) Homepage Journal

          Absolutely, I never forget the great help that my good friend, President Xi of China, has given to the United States, particularly at the Border of North Korea. Without him it would have been a much longer, tougher, process!

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        • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday May 01, @02:45PM (5 children)

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday May 01, @02:45PM (#674152) Journal

          Citation needed. I do believe that China is moving away from coal, because the air quality sucks so badly. China needed coal to get started, but they really want to leave coal behind. And, they are regulating coal, to reduce the emissions/pollution.

          I won't go so far as to claim that we aren't selling coal to China, but you'll need some kind of citation to support your claim.

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 02, @06:43AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 02, @06:43AM (#674476)

            By percentage, coal use is going down. By volume, coal use is going up. Both changes are pretty rapid in China.

          • (Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Wednesday May 02, @07:15AM (3 children)

            by realDonaldTrump (6614) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday May 02, @07:15AM (#674483) Homepage Journal

            It's not about American coal. Believe me, China can buy all the American coal they want. And I'll love them for that. This is the coal from North Korea. Don't you follow me on Twitter? I tweeted about it in January, I said China wasn't enforcing the sanctions, there was a lot of under-the-radar on the Chinese side. I said Beijing does not police the border strictly or enforce the sanctions toughly. And in February China said, no more coal. They stopped the coal, because of me. You must have been busy in February. Because it was on @FoxNews [twitter.com]. And Brietbart News. And SoylentNews. China Suspends All Coal Imports from North Korea, look for that one. Long time ago, right? Believe me, I've been working on this for a long time. Working very hard and very "smart." Not always easy to win the Nobel Peace Prize. For Obama it was easy. For a white man, not so easy. But nobody deserves it more than me!!!!

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            • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday May 02, @02:50PM (2 children)

              by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday May 02, @02:50PM (#674583) Journal

              Don't you follow me on Twitter?

              Uhhhhhh - Donny? I'll let you in on a secret. Sensible people don't tweet. I don't twit, I don't tweet, I'm not a fucking bird.

              Also, I'm not a follower. So, if I were a damned twit, I wouldn't be following you anyway.

              They stopped the coal, because of you? Mmmm-hmmmmm - you can tell yourself that, if it helps you feel good about yourself. Yes, China did suspend coal imports from Korea. China weighed a lot of data, and a lot of options, and decided to suspend coal imports from the Norks. "The Donald" was just one of the many data that were placed on China's balance scale.

              Don't make me take you to task yet again for being an egotistical shit. China doesn't care very much WTF you think.

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              • (Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Thursday May 03, @11:28AM (1 child)

                by realDonaldTrump (6614) Subscriber Badge on Thursday May 03, @11:28AM (#675004) Homepage Journal

                I'm a very instinctual person, but my instinct turns out to be right. Hey, look, in the meantime, I guess I can't be doing so badly, because I'm President, and you're not. And now Congress -- 18 of my guys in the House -- nominated me for the Nobel Peace Prize! foxnews.com/politics/2018/05/02/house-lawmakers-formally-nominate-trump-for-2019-nobel-peace-prize.html [foxnews.com]

                You'd be better informed if you followed my Twitter. It's @realDonaldTrump [twitter.com]. But, I love the poorly informed!

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                • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday May 03, @01:33PM

                  by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday May 03, @01:33PM (#675038) Journal

                  Uh-huh. You and Obama can spend your doting old age comparing prizes. I'm impressed. I'm so impressed that - well - let me think - well - I'm so impressed, I think I'll just take a shit.

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    • (Score: 2) by Bot on Wednesday May 02, @01:53PM

      by Bot (3902) on Wednesday May 02, @01:53PM (#674555)

      > We don't actually know if Trump had anything to do with it whatsoever.

      Car analogy time!
      Car won't start, you are puzzled. Meddling friend insists on looking under the hood. You are terrified because you know he is a pompous ass. He start using a hammer around the engine. WTF you say! He replies "It needs some unblocking".

      Then he says: try now, and the car starts.

  • (Score: 2, Disagree) by mendax on Monday April 30, @07:48PM (4 children)

    by mendax (2840) on Monday April 30, @07:48PM (#673884)

    If it happens it will be the first time a war monger wannabe gets the prize. Who knows? The prize money might double Trump's net worth. Who knows what he is really worth?

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    • (Score: 2, Offtopic) by realDonaldTrump on Monday April 30, @08:44PM

      by realDonaldTrump (6614) Subscriber Badge on Monday April 30, @08:44PM (#673916) Homepage Journal

      I’m giving the money to charity. To the Eric Trump Foundation, to the Police Athletic League of New York City, to many charities.

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    • (Score: 1, Redundant) by crafoo on Monday April 30, @08:55PM

      by crafoo (6639) Subscriber Badge on Monday April 30, @08:55PM (#673921)

      war monger? Sorry, no. He's an isolationist which is a lot of his draw for much of middle america. Hillary was the war mongering chicken-hawk.
      Also, Soros puppets who run the nobel peace price organization will never grant trump a prize. He's not part of "the organization", and wasn't supposed to win the presidency.

    • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 30, @09:57PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 30, @09:57PM (#673941)

      What about the one that went to Barack "I can drone US citizens without a trial" Obama?

    • (Score: 3, Informative) by Thexalon on Monday April 30, @10:06PM

      by Thexalon (636) on Monday April 30, @10:06PM (#673944) Homepage

      If it happens it will be the first time a war monger wannabe gets the prize.

      No it won't: See my post about Henry Kissinger further up the thread, or Barack Obama.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 30, @08:10PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 30, @08:10PM (#673898)

    That shit is da bomb. Nukes got nothing on this.

  • (Score: 2) by legont on Monday April 30, @09:49PM (3 children)

    by legont (4179) on Monday April 30, @09:49PM (#673937)

    Are we going back? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Ballistic_Missile_Treaty [wikipedia.org]

    Perhaps, we could even include other missiles. After all, if I am to believe Russian sources, out of 103 missiles the US fired at Syria last time only 3 made it through to military targets and only minor at that. With chances like this, an all out nuclear war suddenly becomes a feasible scenario.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 30, @10:00PM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 30, @10:00PM (#673943)

      Russia supplies missile defenses to Syria. We'd like to test it.

      Easy enough: fire missiles of varying capability. Some should be easy to intercept, and some should be hard to intercept. Maybe we don't even really want to hit anything; add a self-destruct if that is the case. We can fake a failure so that Russia will be overconfident, but we'll know what we really did. Of course, they too can fake failure.

      • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday May 01, @02:37AM (1 child)

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday May 01, @02:37AM (#674011) Journal

        Plausible. We're always testing, and that whole scenario could have been a test.

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 01, @07:50AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 01, @07:50AM (#674070)

          Syria is but a giant weapons test lab, especially on the Russian side. They've tested pretty much all they have there. And everybody knows that a (post fact) public demo is a nice addition to any sales brochure.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 01, @10:12AM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 01, @10:12AM (#674091)

    1. If the Korean War is finally over and the peninsula denuclearized, there ought to be a Nobel awarded to someone. If there isn't, people will want to know why.

    2. Moon and Kim sorted this out between them. A joint award to the two of them (or, specifically, half an award to Kim) isn't going to go down particularly well, considering Kim's record in other areas is hardly acceptable.

    3. Giving Trump the award avoids any embarrassment, though the world knows he didn't really have anything to do with it.

    In any case, if you're doing this kind of thing to get awards, you're doing it for the wrong reason. (Mr. Trump, if you'd like to use that quote yourself, feel free to do so, without attribution.)

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 01, @05:13PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 01, @05:13PM (#674211)

      3. Giving Trump the award avoids any embarrassment, though the world knows he didn't really have anything to do with it.

      The world doesn't know, only your fantasy world knows. Everyone here on planet Earth knows otherwise. Also, hold on to your hat, he will be impeached any day now, I'm sure.

  • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 01, @02:02PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 01, @02:02PM (#674132)

    I could throw AWESOME parties with those things. You wouldn't even have to come to my house to attend!

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