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posted by martyb on Thursday May 31, @12:33PM   Printer-friendly
from the reports-of-my-death-are-greatly-exagerated dept.

'Murdered' Russian journalist Arkady Babchenko turns up alive

A Russian journalist and critic of the Kremlin, reported to have been shot dead in Ukraine, showed up alive at a press conference on Wednesday to declare that his murder was faked by Ukrainian security services in an effort to foil an assassination plot against him.

In a stunning development, Arkady Babchenko, 41, walked into a room of journalists in Kiev who had been expecting to get an update on his murder.

He apologized to his wife Olechka -- who on Tuesday was reported to have found him bleeding to death at his apartment -- for the "hell" she had gone through. Ukrainian officials offered a jaw-dropping explanation for his so-called death -- to expose a Russian plot against him.

Script flipped.

Also at BBC.


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  • (Score: 2) by looorg on Thursday May 31, @12:43PM (5 children)

    by looorg (578) on Thursday May 31, @12:43PM (#686700)

    The interesting part here was how the media outrage just died, I guess along with the story. Going from OMG! the evil government murdered a journalist to actually saving his life to foil a murder plot against hem. All of a sudden they had nothing to say any more ...

    • (Score: 5, Interesting) by zocalo on Thursday May 31, @02:08PM (2 children)

      by zocalo (302) on Thursday May 31, @02:08PM (#686733)
      Different governments. I don't recall anyone claiming that he'd been murdered by the Ukrainian government, more that it was - with varying degrees of confidence ranging from possible to absolutely - the Russian government shutting up another critic in their (allegedly) tried and trusted way, but it's now clear that was just staged by the Ukraine government, apparently in an attempt to flush out the real assassins. Pretty brutal that not only didn't they tell his wife but let her find the "body" as well, which has to worthy of some further coverage/editorialising, but if they've managed to bag some of the assassins through this exercise as well then it could get really interesting.
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      • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Thursday May 31, @07:33PM (1 child)

        by DeathMonkey (1380) on Thursday May 31, @07:33PM (#686887) Journal

        but if they've managed to bag some of the assassins through this exercise as well then it could get really interesting.

        They did:

        The head of the Ukrainian Security Service said the suspected organizer of the alleged hit plot was detained Wednesday, suggesting the bogus killing was aimed at flushing him out. [cbsnews.com]

        • (Score: 4, Interesting) by zocalo on Thursday May 31, @07:57PM

          by zocalo (302) on Thursday May 31, @07:57PM (#686899)
          Yes, "suspected". The two arrests (the other being the supposed assassin) are covered in TFS, but if it turns out they got the right people (which, I expect, it probably will) and they start talking (which expect they probably will, once suitably "encouraged") then I think we'll see the coverage to pick up again real fast. Also, we'll no doubt get to see Russia's other standard play: the one they use when they get busted, namely make a whole bunch of increasingly implausible claims that they had nothing to do with it. My bet is on them claiming a Ukranian false flag operation to try and get the West involved in the situation in the Crimea and eastern-Ukraine.

          It's only a few weeks after a whole bunch of tit-for-tat diplomatic explusions over the attempted murder of the Skripals too, albeit this time not on the soil of a permanent member of the UN Security Council with a lot of political allies. If the Ukrainian's can produce some compelling evidence, or even a confession or two, then it's going to be interesting to see how the international response and media coverage of this attempt compares as well.
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    • (Score: 3, Informative) by nitehawk214 on Thursday May 31, @02:46PM

      by nitehawk214 (1304) on Thursday May 31, @02:46PM (#686753)

      Russia was trying to kill him, Ukraine faked his death to save him.

      Now, which two countries are currently in a "civil war" over Ukraine's territory?

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    • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 31, @04:53PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 31, @04:53PM (#686817)

      I fail to see why you are drawing outrage at how the incident is being covered in a different way once the story changed. The difference is what happened, and why. Case in point, compare:

      1) Man shoots woman dead in Grand Central Station: this is bad, and is newsworthy.
      2) Man has a conceal-carry permit and carries a pistol through Grand Central Station, passing a woman without incident: this is just ordinary behavior, and not newsworthy.

      There is a bit of a story about the exceptional nature of saving this journalist's life (hence this article), but it is vastly different in scope than an assassination.

  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 31, @12:56PM (16 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 31, @12:56PM (#686705)

    How did this save him?
    Had they put him in hiding for the rest of his life, with the story left at "he's dead", it would have saved him.
    But now he's known to be alive, plus a big stink has been made around him (in particular, there are similarities to the boy who cried wolf, since the ukrainian government said "russia did it", and then they said "well actually we faked it").
    They are promising to give him protection, but they could have done this without the circus.
    And they arrested one person, who could have been arrested without the circus.

    So... really. What exactly was he saved from?!

    • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 31, @01:07PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 31, @01:07PM (#686710)

      So... really. What exactly was he saved from?!

      Credibility

    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by pkrasimirov on Thursday May 31, @01:21PM (5 children)

      by pkrasimirov (3358) Subscriber Badge on Thursday May 31, @01:21PM (#686718)

      > could have been arrested without the circus.
      They wanted the person who ordered this murder, and to get him the "circus" was needed. And they got him, two of them. We will see how this unfoils, waiting for the proofs.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 31, @02:01PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 31, @02:01PM (#686731)

        you're responding to a troll/useful (to putin) idiot

        he already knew what you said, but didnt want it to be true

        • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 31, @02:49PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 31, @02:49PM (#686757)

          I'm not a troll. I honestly did not think of the "requester pays when murder is made public, so we can trace the money" idea.
          you may be right in that I'm an idiot, and I have to say I'd hate being useful to putin in any way, I'm sorry if my question degraded the quality of the discussion.

      • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Thursday May 31, @05:23PM (2 children)

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday May 31, @05:23PM (#686832) Journal

        There are unlikely to be any proofs. Ukraine vs Russia is now a years old story, with a helluva lot of atrocities, including a downed airliner. And, there are no proofs of any of those atrocities. All of us read the accusations, all of us follow the circus after the accusation, and each of us decides that this side or that is "more credible". But, so far, there have been zero proofs.

        Personally, I tend to side with Russia over Ukraine. But, I can't point to any one incident, and produce real proof that Ukraine was the "bad guy". Well - except for Ukraine banning the use of the Russian language in a province populated mostly by Russian speakers. That was definitely a strike against Ukraine.

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        • (Score: 3, Touché) by DeathMonkey on Thursday May 31, @07:46PM

          by DeathMonkey (1380) on Thursday May 31, @07:46PM (#686893) Journal

          And, there are no proofs of any of those atrocities.

          Uhh....there's plenty of proof that Russia invaded part of Ukraine and claimed Crimea. [wikipedia.org]

          That you don't want to acknowledge that fact says more about you than about the quantity of proof available.

        • (Score: 4, Informative) by zocalo on Thursday May 31, @08:07PM

          by zocalo (302) on Thursday May 31, @08:07PM (#686905)
          Bellingcat's evidence [bellingcat.com] (including photographs of it on route) tracking of the BUK launcher all the way from Russia’s 53rd Anti-Aircraft Missile Brigade's base to near Donetsk right before MH17 was downed and on the way back again just after is pretty compelling proof, IMHO. More circumstantial, but the career of the GRU officer believed to be involved also makes highly interesting reading and certainly implies someone who is very well connected and might get tasked with something like this.
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    • (Score: 5, Interesting) by c0lo on Thursday May 31, @02:34PM

      by c0lo (156) on Thursday May 31, @02:34PM (#686749)

      There are a number of ways in which it may make sense.
      One of them:
      - they arrested the hitman just before the job, with the journo acting as bait
      - they wanted to arrest the instigator but also wanted evidence that he was the correct person, so...
      - ... they faked the murder (with the hitman in custody)...
      - ... when the rest of the payment for the job came into hitman's account, they traced the source of it, maybe matched with a CCTV at the bank at the moment of transfer.

      Yes, making public the murder fakery doesn't necessary help the would-be victim for the future, but maybe doing so secured the testimony of the hitman - no longer accused of murder (only of an attempted one) he may be more pliable to cooperation

    • (Score: 1) by nitehawk214 on Thursday May 31, @02:49PM (5 children)

      by nitehawk214 (1304) on Thursday May 31, @02:49PM (#686755)

      I suppose if they killed him now, it would be quite clear Russia was behind it.

      Althought, I suppose that would be the case anyhow.

      And Russia has shown they do not give a shit who knows about their assassinations.

      Yeah, I don't get it either.

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      • (Score: 3, Interesting) by DannyB on Thursday May 31, @04:46PM (4 children)

        by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Thursday May 31, @04:46PM (#686813)

        if they killed him now, it would be quite clear Russia was behind it.

        Now the question becomes: who would benefit from making it look like Russia killed him?

        • (Score: 1, Informative) by Runaway1956 on Thursday May 31, @05:26PM (3 children)

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday May 31, @05:26PM (#686833) Journal

          That's easy: America's Democrats. They've been howling "Russians Russians Russians" for almost two years now. If they can make Russia look bad, they think that will improve their own image, or some such crazy thing.

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          • (Score: 1, Disagree) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 31, @07:16PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 31, @07:16PM (#686876)

            OR they have legitimate concerns about foreign interests affecting elections, along with a having a president that is beholden more to a foreign nation than his own country.

            Nah, its just to improve their election chances! /s

            After Trumpster fire the Democrats just need to avoid shooting their foot off AGAIN, they are already primed to win most elections.

          • (Score: 2) by JNCF on Thursday May 31, @08:09PM

            by JNCF (4317) Subscriber Badge on Thursday May 31, @08:09PM (#686908) Journal

            You're overly specific for obviously partisan reasons, but not Redundant. The American government in general, as well as many other governments, would benefit from making Russia look bad.

          • (Score: 4, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 31, @08:55PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 31, @08:55PM (#686926)

            That's easy: America's Democrats. They've been howling "Russians Russians Russians" for almost two years now. If they can make Russia look bad, they think that will improve their own image, or some such crazy thing.

            Thank you, Runaway! Finally, someone talking sense!

            It was obviously a false flag operation by Killary and Soros, using a Clinton death squad dispatched from 200 West Street [wikipedia.org].

            I mean, look what they've done to Roseanne Barr. She speaks the truth about the monkeys we've finally gotten rid of and she's pilloried for it. Bob Iger [wikipedia.org] knew the truth and nothing would have come from the tweets of such a wonderful patriot like Ms. Barr, except a death squad sent by Killary, Bill and George kidnapped his grandkids and threatened to traffick them to the Saudis if he didn't stomp on Roseanne hard.

            Everything bad and evil is always the work of Killary and her minions.

            I love you Runaway. We think exactly alike!

    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Bot on Thursday May 31, @04:17PM

      by Bot (3902) on Thursday May 31, @04:17PM (#686801)

      i disagree, perpetual hiding could be uncovered by accident or by a double agent and then the russians would have had a field day. Now, indeed, he remains a target, but whatever happens to him, filo russians will be the likely culprits.

      A standard secret service op i guess, with exposure calculated to smear the opposition.

    • (Score: 3, Touché) by DeathMonkey on Thursday May 31, @07:37PM

      by DeathMonkey (1380) on Thursday May 31, @07:37PM (#686890) Journal

      But now he's known to be alive, plus a big stink has been made around him

      It turns out that journalists investigating corrupt regimes that will gladly kill them for what they are reporting are kind of into the whole truth getting out there thing....

  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by PinkyGigglebrain on Thursday May 31, @01:34PM

    by PinkyGigglebrain (4458) on Thursday May 31, @01:34PM (#686721)

    In order to deceive your enemies you must first deceive your allies.

    Article is weak on details as to actually how faking his death saved him and helped expose the people who were really planing to kill him but I'm sure more information will come out later.

    I would expect they had the suspected real assassins under surveillance and when news of the journalist's "death" hit the news they monitored who they contacted, what they said, and what happened with their bank accounts. Or something like that, we will probably never know all the details. Or the real truth.

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  • (Score: 1, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Thursday May 31, @02:12PM (23 children)

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday May 31, @02:12PM (#686737) Journal

    Far too many people have grown up watching soap operas. This shit is so stupid, NO ONE should believe it.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 31, @02:22PM (11 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 31, @02:22PM (#686744)

      Yeah, Putin is so dastardly he hires someone to kill someone set on framing him who is killed and raised from the dead so that Putin can dispose of the mobster employing the idiot assassin neither of whom can be traced to Putin. Or something?

      • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday May 31, @02:36PM (9 children)

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday May 31, @02:36PM (#686750) Journal

        The one unanswered question from all of those soaps is: How long can the same woman stay pregnant with the same baby?

        My first wife watched soaps - she grew up with a mother and a house full of sisters, and those soaps were important to them. So, some old heifer had been pregnant for months before I left on a cruise. We all boarded ship, cast off, and went to the med, for nine long months of partying with the Russians during the Cold War. So, nine months later, we head home. First few days home, the wife turns on her soap, and there's this pregnant broad. I ask, "Is she pregnant AGAIN?" Wife answers, "No, she still hasn't had the baby!"

        Christ on a crutch! That "suspension of disbelief" thing can definitely be taken too far.

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        Hawking believes that alien life forms will likely be simple and primitive, or, as they’re known on Earth, Democrats.
        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 31, @04:24PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 31, @04:24PM (#686804)

          There's no reason programs have to track time at the same rate they're broadcast. Only a couple of months might have passed in soapworld.

          • (Score: 1) by DECbot on Thursday May 31, @05:05PM

            by DECbot (832) on Thursday May 31, @05:05PM (#686821) Journal

            Unless I see them sleeping, I just assume it is still the same day. It makes the story much more interesting and the characters more vile.

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        • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Thursday May 31, @04:56PM (6 children)

          by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Thursday May 31, @04:56PM (#686819)

          That "suspension of disbelief" thing can definitely be taken too far.

          You mean like standing on the surface of a planet and watching with the naked eye to see a Starkiller Base fire at another planetary body?

          Or do you mean light sabers instead of good ol' blasters that work from a distance? (brought a knife to a gun fight)

          • (Score: 1) by DECbot on Thursday May 31, @05:14PM

            by DECbot (832) on Thursday May 31, @05:14PM (#686827) Journal

            They should really design a cannon that fires lightsabers. If lightsabers require a jedi to be effective, the cannon should fire jedi too.

            Wait a second, lightsabers, the deathstars, and Starkiller Base all require kyber crystals... could it be that my lightsaber cannon already exists? It would make sense, all the deathstars were destroyed after the darth was killed or removed from their effective range.

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          • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Thursday May 31, @05:15PM (4 children)

            by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday May 31, @05:15PM (#686829) Journal

            Yes, exactly that sort of thing. Sometimes, that suspension can work, sometimes, it can't. For me, it fails more often than not. I suppose that's why I always preferred to read the book - my own imagination can fill in the details that Hollywood can't even understand.

            It's also why I like the 'Expanse' series so much. They really worked hard for realism, and believability. The books are still better, though!

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            • (Score: 3, Informative) by DannyB on Thursday May 31, @06:34PM (3 children)

              by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Thursday May 31, @06:34PM (#686863)

              Yep. The Expanse is the best thing I think since Babylon 5.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 31, @07:18PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 31, @07:18PM (#686880)

                Simpsons did it!

              • (Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Thursday May 31, @09:10PM (1 child)

                by NotSanguine (285) Subscriber Badge on Thursday May 31, @09:10PM (#686929) Homepage Journal

                Yep. The Expanse is the best thing I think since Babylon 5

                If you haven't seen S03E08 "It Reaches Out," don't click here.


                It is pretty good, although last night's episode (aired on SyFy in the US) strained credulity quite a bit, with Miller's reappearance as a weak recycling of the trope where Dave Bowman's consciousness is recreated for the monolith aliens from 2061: Odyssey Three [wikipedia.org]

                I'm going to wait to read the series until after the show's run, as novels are always better than any TV/film adaptation. But it certainly is better than most of the crap on TV (Sci-Fi or otherwise).

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                No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
                • (Score: 3, Interesting) by DannyB on Thursday May 31, @09:25PM

                  by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Thursday May 31, @09:25PM (#686936)

                  Thanks.

                  Just finished Season 2. I'll look forward to episode S03E08.

                  I noticed there are, I think, Eight books? And the synopsis of the first two books sounded remarkably like the two seasons I just watched.

                  Now, I just hope it actually goes somewhere and has an actual ending, like B5.

                  I hope they avoid the problems with having to change actors and alter the story due to actor changes.

      • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 01, @12:12AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 01, @12:12AM (#686995)

        Naah. The guy was replaced by a pod person.

    • (Score: -1) by fakefuck39 on Thursday May 31, @04:48PM (10 children)

      by fakefuck39 (6620) on Thursday May 31, @04:48PM (#686815)

      Neither the Russians nor the Redneck Russians (Ukrainians) grew up watching soap operas. This dastardly idiot plot was dreamed up by some drunken idiot Ukrainians while siting in the basement of a strip club discussing business over a bottle of premium American wiskey (Jack) and the salad "Caesar" complete with tomatoes and egg. Ukraine is a country of morons who do random stupid shit - there's nothing there to figure out. Source: lived there for a year and a half after the conflict started.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 31, @05:14PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 31, @05:14PM (#686828)

        Remind me again why we had to fuck with the Russians to put their Mexico in our lap?

      • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday May 31, @05:31PM (8 children)

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday May 31, @05:31PM (#686836) Journal

        Source: lived there for a year and a half after the conflict started.

        Now, that right there is some "random stupid shit". About the only two excuses I can think of, is that you have family there, or you were a mercenary, who was paid to be there.

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        • (Score: -1) by fakefuck39 on Thursday May 31, @06:57PM (6 children)

          by fakefuck39 (6620) on Thursday May 31, @06:57PM (#686871)

          Guess you've never been to Kiev. It's a lot of fun. There is tourism, there are many international companies, and it helps when you speak a bunch of languages. My company has offices in 80 countries. I've been to over 50 and lived in several for extended periods of time in several. That's not random shit - that's the normal world of highly-paid professionals who aren't random linux geeks "coding" useless crap in their basement - it's the regular world some people live in. You're not a part of it, nor have the social skills or professional qualifications to be a part of it. Don't give it more thought. Just keep posting opinions on things you know nothing about - you're very entertaining.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 31, @07:31PM (5 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 31, @07:31PM (#686884)

            linux geeks "coding" useless crap in their basement

            The internet (of international acclaim) runs on a massive amount of "useless crap" coded by geeks in basements, garages, coffee shops, and otherwise.

            You sound like the type of person the world is better off without since you can't even comprehend why people would be suspicious of "fakefuck39" posting on a geek forum to brag about how elite you are and how stupid and moronic the Ukrainians are. Given your defensiveness you're either full of shit, or you're a geek working for a big company and you're really insecure. Do they tease you? Are you the office nerd?

            • (Score: 0) by fakefuck39 on Thursday May 31, @11:18PM (4 children)

              by fakefuck39 (6620) on Thursday May 31, @11:18PM (#686980)

              The internet is full of useless crap, and it looks like you're the one who codes is. Congratulations for making my point for me. There is another part of the internet where real companies do real business - appears you're not aware of that part. If an explanation of why I know about Ukraine sounds like defensive bragging to you, if you place value on people's usernames on some forum - well you're one of the people I'm on here to make fun of. A nerd I am, a dork I am not. I do and always have worked for big companies - that's where the money is.

              https://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?noupdate=1&sid=25790&page=1&cid=684804#commentwrap [soylentnews.org]

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 01, @03:10AM (3 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 01, @03:10AM (#687057)

                lawl, triggered the jackass :D

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 01, @09:44PM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 01, @09:44PM (#687460)

                  idiot#1: the only reason someone could be in kiev is if they're a mercenary. they don't have computers of businesses over there
                  possibly-a-troll: i have a job and lifestyle that takes me to many countries, and kiev was a fun place
                  idiot#2: why are you getting defensive? your clearly the office nerd looking for social acceptance

                  classic. hey idiot keyboard warriors 1 and 2 - just answer us this: do you even have a passport and do you speak anything besides english?

                  source: been to kiev. dinner at a 5-star restaurant is $20. hot girls half your age banging you on the first date just because you're american.

                • (Score: 0) by fakefuck39 on Friday June 01, @10:28PM

                  by fakefuck39 (6620) on Friday June 01, @10:28PM (#687484)

                  No idea what a "lawl" is, nor do I care. Is that that the sound you used to make after people like me stuffed you into a locker in highschool or perhaps you have your own little dork language normal people don't understand?

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 02, @04:58AM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 02, @04:58AM (#687582)

                  WTF is "Triggered?" Are you a social justice warrior hipster of some sort? Go back to reddit kid - you've stumbled onto a site for old people. When someone is shitting all over you and dissing you - they're not "triggered," they're making fun of you kid, and wanting to make fun of some loser like you, that's not a negative thing.

        • (Score: 2) by zocalo on Thursday May 31, @08:19PM

          by zocalo (302) on Thursday May 31, @08:19PM (#686913)
          Not necessarily, the Ukraine's a *big* place. It's perfectly plausible for it to be business as normal in the West, conflict in the East, and a huge area in-between. Despite the conflict and MH17, plenty of tourists still go there too - Kiev is a really cool city, and even hosted the Eurovision Song Contest (of all things!) in 2017. Even in Syria, where the conflict is somewhat more intense than it ever was in Eastern Ukraine, there's footage of people going about their lives pretty much as normal in one part of Damascus which looks mostly untouched while some of the suburbs are all but flattened.
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