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from the Calexit-will-return-in-Avengers-4 dept.

Radical plan to split California into three states earns spot on November ballot

California's 168-year run as a single entity, hugging the continent's edge for hundreds of miles and sprawling east across mountains and desert, could come to an end next year — as a controversial plan to split the Golden State into three new jurisdictions qualified Tuesday for the Nov. 6 ballot.

If a majority of voters who cast ballots agree, a long and contentious process would begin for three separate states to take the place of California, with one primarily centered around Los Angeles and the other two divvying up the counties to the north and south. Completion of the radical plan — far from certain, given its many hurdles at judicial, state and federal levels — would make history.

It would be the first division of an existing U.S. state since the creation of West Virginia in 1863.

Also at CNN and The Hill.

Previously: Proposal to Divide California Into Three States Could Land on the November Ballot

Related: Secessionists Formally Launch Quest for California's Independence
California Secession Leader has Russian Ties
Calexit: the "Bad Boys of Brexit" Throw Their Weight Behind Move to Split State


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Secessionists Formally Launch Quest for California's Independence 170 comments

Supporters of a plan for California to secede from the union took their first formal step Monday morning, submitting a proposed ballot measure to the state attorney general's office in the hopes of a statewide vote as soon as 2018.

Marcus Ruiz Evans, the vice president and co-founder of Yes California, said his group had been planning to wait for a later election, but the presidential election of Donald Trump sped up the timeline.

"We're doing it now because of all of the overwhelming attention," Evans said.

The Yes California group has been around for more than two years, Evans said. It is based around California taxpayers paying more money to the federal government than the state receives in spending, that Californians are culturally different from the rest of the country, and that national media and organizations routinely criticize Californians for being out of step with the rest of the U.S. 

Could California go it alone?


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California Secession Leader has Russian Ties 27 comments

From channel 7 in San Francisco:

It would be easy to dismiss this as some fringe group trying to make California into its own country, but former intelligence officials tell the ABC7 News I-Team the ballot initiative leader's ties to Russia raise serious questions.

Louis Marinelli has received support in Russia from a far-right nationalist group that wants to break up the United States. Former intelligence officials say that association raises serious questions about his intent.

"You don't need this to be involved in California's campaign for independence," Marinelli said holding up an American flag.

He's the leader of the Yes California campaign, also dubbed Calexit. Marinelli is an American who lives in Russia, but his movement is getting a lot of attention stateside.

A recent Reuters poll found one in three Californians support the idea of withdrawing from the United States.


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Calexit: the “Bad Boys of Brexit” Throw Their Weight Behind Move to Split State 83 comments

This weekend comes word that two of the masterminds behind the United Kingdom’s ongoing divorce from the European Union, Nigel Farage and Arron Banks. The duo just returned from the United States, where they reportedly helped raise a million bucks for one of the Calexit campaigns floating around — a scheme that would split the state into two eastern and western regions.

Farage and Banks are known as the Bad Boys of Brexit, and for good reason. As the controversial leader of the UK Independence Party, or Ukip for short, the one-time broadcaster Farage stirred up the anti-immigration pot in England among the white British working class. Banks, who co-founded the Leave.EU group, angered many when he claimed that Britain’s UK membership is “like having a first class ticket on the Titanic.’’ He also got into hot water with his controversial move to commission a poll after the murder of British politician Jo Cox, asking respondents whether the crime would have an impact on public opinion.

Now the Bad Boys have brought their shtick to California, according to a report in the Daily Mail which says the pair are helping exit backers trying to pit the eastern, more rural side of California against the western ‘coastal elite’ liberals in Los Angeles and San Francisco. The plan would be to create a Republican stronghold in the new state cleaved off California’s eastern flank, thus giving the GOP two more senators and electoral college votes for a 2020 presidential election.

Mercury News continues:

Meanwhile, a second Calexit campaign is underway. It’s called Yes California and it would see the state seceding from America entirely. If that initiative successfully finds a place on the ballot, a Yes vote would repeal clauses in the California Constitution stating “California is an inseparable part of the United States and that the United States Constitution is the supreme law of the land, ‘’ according to a statement from California’s Secretary of State Alex Padilla’s office said.

[Ed note: corrected typo in this story's last paragraph and expanded same to include the entire paragraph from which it was extracted. --martyb]


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Proposal to Divide California Into Three States Could Land on the November Ballot 75 comments

Third time's the charm:

A California technology billionaire said on Thursday that his longtime and perhaps quixotic effort to partition the Golden State into multiple new states could soon be put before voters.

Venture capitalist Tim Draper said he had gathered about 600,000 signatures on a petition to put his proposal to divide California on the November ballot, more than the 366,000 needed to qualify. It is his third attempt to get voters to weigh in on his call to break up the most populous U.S. state.

Draper, who in 2014 and 2016 failed in his efforts to win approval for a ballot initiative to divide the state into six parts, said in a news release Thursday that he planned to file the signatures with election officials next week.

[...] To go into effect, California would first have to certify the signatures that Draper has gathered, and then voters in November would need to pass the measure. After that, the U.S. Congress would have to approve it.

Also at The Mercury News and SFGate.

Related:
Secessionists Formally Launch Quest for California's Independence
California Secession Leader has Russian Ties
Calexit: the "Bad Boys of Brexit" Throw Their Weight Behind Move to Split State


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  • (Score: 3, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 14, @09:56AM (11 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 14, @09:56AM (#692795)

    If this passes it will be a loss for everybody except the lawyers, a needless waste of time and energy at the local, state and national levels.

    Trump will be for it.

    • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 14, @11:09AM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 14, @11:09AM (#692812)

      The only way you could be for this proposal is if you're a hard-core Republican.
      They see the Golden State as being a permanently Democratic state--which it is.

      • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 14, @11:28AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 14, @11:28AM (#692816)

        They see the Golden State as being a permanently Democratic state--which it is.

        Yes, everyone knows [mercurynews.com]

        In other news, over One Million have left Venezuela for Colombia in the last 15 months [reuters.com] and Venezuela now has it's first Polio case in 30 years. [cnn.com] Perhaps the border wall should be built on the US side of California for when socialist libtards finally "Venezuela" their own state?

      • (Score: 3, Interesting) by PartTimeZombie on Thursday June 14, @10:17PM

        by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Thursday June 14, @10:17PM (#693209)

        “Three states will get us better infrastructure, better education and lower taxes,” Tim Draper, the Silicon Valley venture capitalist who sponsored the ballot measure,

        That's the message here. Extreme wealth wants to pay less tax, and hive off the poor somewhere else.

        Which ever part the rich get to keep will be a huge gated community. The poor will only be allowed in to clean everyone's pools.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 14, @11:19AM (5 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 14, @11:19AM (#692814)

      How is Putin responsible for the leftist policies and impending bankruptcy of metropolitan areas?

      • (Score: 2) by pkrasimirov on Thursday June 14, @11:41AM (1 child)

        by pkrasimirov (3358) Subscriber Badge on Thursday June 14, @11:41AM (#692828)

        You could ask the same for Trump: how is Putin responsible for a conman and his performances? But yet he's leading the Free in their Land at the moment. Putin is not really pro- anything, he's just anti- according any opportunity. Breaking up California to pieces would be clealy welcomed as anything that harms others (read: not Putin).

        People who are unable to create value are also unable to perceive/believe that some others can. Therefore for them the world is a zero-sum game where one's gain is inevitably another's loss. Therefore any loss for other players can range from no impact to them up to pure net gain.

        • (Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 14, @12:50PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 14, @12:50PM (#692856)

          People who are unable to create value are also unable to perceive/believe that some others can. Therefore for them the world is a zero-sum game where one's gain is inevitably another's loss

          You've got this wrong. Sociopaths and socialists know others can create wealth additionally they understand their personal entitlement can only be met by depriving others.

      • (Score: 5, Insightful) by VLM on Thursday June 14, @01:09PM (2 children)

        by VLM (445) Subscriber Badge on Thursday June 14, @01:09PM (#692862)

        How is Putin responsible for the leftist policies and impending bankruptcy of metropolitan areas?

        His country abandoned communism and it's doing better; our local communists will never forgive. Imagine if the locals got the bad idea that leftism here is also a bad idea? Therefore guess who's the boogyman behind everything bad... Rained this morning? Goddamn Russians. Lost a game of Yahtzee? Goddamn Putin. Back when the Russians were commies, the Russians were our best friends, according to the same media people... Now that they voted for the "wrong" type of leader, they must be destroyed.

        • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 14, @03:44PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 14, @03:44PM (#692968)

          Heh, gotta love how you crazies start foaming at the mouth over "leftism" every chance you get. I feel a bit sorry for you though, constantly living in fear and hatred.

        • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Thursday June 14, @10:24PM

          by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Thursday June 14, @10:24PM (#693213)

          Why are you still pretending US politics has a left?

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 14, @04:50PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 14, @04:50PM (#693003)

      Russia has been backing the CA secessionist movement for years now. So yes, of course, Trump would be in favor of it.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 14, @06:01PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 14, @06:01PM (#693053)

        California is in need of a shakeup. Between SF, LA and San Diego the representation of the common man outside of those regions is being overpowered by the voting capabilities of those cities. By reassessing the state into political/legislative regions that more proportionally represent the common man of the geography, it will help enable the smaller, poorer, and less advantaged regions of the state to enact laws, budgets, and public policies that better match their needs. Furthermore, it will help reduce the acceptable amount of spawn from the cancers that are the big cities, if the little guys know what is smart for them. There is only so much land you can trade for housing tracts and water utilities before the agriculture industry in California collapses, and we may already be past that point.

  • (Score: 2) by looorg on Thursday June 14, @11:38AM (10 children)

    by looorg (578) on Thursday June 14, @11:38AM (#692824)

    So the winner will be ... Texas? That will become the largest, most populous and richest state? Yiha!

    • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Thursday June 14, @11:53AM (2 children)

      by JoeMerchant (3937) on Thursday June 14, @11:53AM (#692830)

      Yep, those two Texan senators can whup ass all over the six from the Californias, until voting time comes.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 14, @12:30PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 14, @12:30PM (#692846)

        I'd guess that most of California's money is concentrated in SF, LA and SD so might not make a difference.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 14, @04:52PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 14, @04:52PM (#693004)

          The Santa Clara valley is more commonly known as Silicon Valley. As of when I left in 1996, they were still pretty conservative there too (problem was pretty much all of California was conservative with the exception of the SF, LA and SD urban zones, but their population dwarfed the rest of the state.)

          Efforts to break up California have been going on as long as I can remember (and I am 51.) As a kid, the rallying cry was from "tree-hugging hippies" who complained about LA (and the farmers in the central valley) "stealing our water" from the north. Back then this was the state that elected Ronald Reagan as governor, so its funny to see that even though the guys pushing for the breakup and the political majority of the state have shifted, the constant cries to break it up continue!

    • (Score: 3, Funny) by Whoever on Thursday June 14, @03:35PM

      by Whoever (4524) on Thursday June 14, @03:35PM (#692964) Journal

      It won't be the largest.

      Question: what's the worst day in Texas history?
      Answer: Jan 3, 1959: the day Alaska became a state and Texas was no longer the largest state.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 14, @04:06PM (5 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 14, @04:06PM (#692977)

      I have a better idea. Split California into two states and sell Texas to Mexico. Then we wouldn't have to change the number of stars on the flag.

      • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 14, @04:20PM (4 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 14, @04:20PM (#692986)

        Don't forget to build the wall along the former Texas border too.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 14, @05:15PM (3 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 14, @05:15PM (#693017)

          Suddenly I'm on board with the wall idea!

          j/k you Texas freaks!

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 14, @06:03PM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 14, @06:03PM (#693056)

            We could push all the silicon valley types back to Texas where Fairchild and TI were from, then wall their sickness into Mexico where they will deserve each other.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 14, @06:43PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 14, @06:43PM (#693102)

              Half right.
              Fairchild was a Silicon Valley entity.

              -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 14, @06:06PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 14, @06:06PM (#693059)

            Texas will pay for the wall.

  • (Score: 5, Informative) by Thexalon on Thursday June 14, @12:04PM (22 children)

    by Thexalon (636) on Thursday June 14, @12:04PM (#692835) Homepage

    The citizens of the more conservative areas of California don't like paying taxes imposed by the current Democratic-led government of California. Hence the secession proposal. In short, this is all about money.

    That's one reason the boundaries between the various proposed states are drawn the way they are.

    --
    A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of bad gravy.
    • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 14, @12:16PM (3 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 14, @12:16PM (#692841)
      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 14, @07:12PM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 14, @07:12PM (#693117)

        First, if all undocumented people are sent back to their countries of origin, the prices of your food will skyrocket.
        It's their easily-exploitable labor that mans meat packing plants.
        They also harvest your produce.

        The cost of lawn care and child care and hotel stays and construction will also explode.
        Again, their easily-exploitable labor is what keeps down costs in USA.

        Next, the Dumbocrats aren't "Left".
        I challenge you to point to EVEN ONE who advocates for a change in ownership models toward worker-owned cooperatives.

        The Dumbocrats are NOT Anti-Capitalist.
        The Dumbocrats are on the Right-hand side of the divide. [politicalcompass.org][1]
        That big deal Dumbocrat congresswoman has even come right out and said "we're Capitalist." [google.com]

        [1] ...and their chart is incorrectly skewed to the left.
        Nader almost never mentions worker-owned cooperatives.
        I have NEVER heard Kucinich mention worker-owned cooperatives at all.

        -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]

        • (Score: 2) by shortscreen on Thursday June 14, @07:42PM (1 child)

          by shortscreen (2252) Subscriber Badge on Thursday June 14, @07:42PM (#693133) Journal

          It's difficult to understand your position when you praise both easily-exploitable labor and worker-owned cooperatives in the same post.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 14, @08:01PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 14, @08:01PM (#693144)

            You misunderstand my position.
            I'm just laying out the facts as they are.

            If I had my way, The Workers would own the means of production and there would not be a separate Ownership Class.

            ...and a Socialist such as I am views all workers as an international brotherhood.
            ...not cogs in a machine to be exploited by Capitalists and disposed of.

            -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]

    • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Thursday June 14, @02:17PM (16 children)

      by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Thursday June 14, @02:17PM (#692918)

      the more conservative areas of California don't like paying taxes

      There must be more to it than that.

      I don't like paying taxes either. But I do like having well maintained roads, street lights, traffic signals, public parks, libraries, some artwork, etc. Surely conservatives benefit from such things too? (well maybe not libraries, art, or parks that don't allow guns)

      There is more to this than just "because taxes". I don't know what, though.

      • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 14, @02:31PM (3 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 14, @02:31PM (#692929)

        "I got mine (from you) and screw everyone else?" thats part of it.

        • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Thursday June 14, @05:22PM (2 children)

          by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Thursday June 14, @05:22PM (#693023)

          But that would sound suspiciously like "wealth redistribution" wouldn't it? And I thought that was a liberal left wing thing.

          • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 14, @07:22PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 14, @07:22PM (#693125)

            It's only "wealth redistribution" depending on whether the first derivative of the amount of exploitation of the working class is positive or negative.

            Nobody worries about the redistribution of wealth from the working class to the capitalist elites.

          • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 14, @07:34PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 14, @07:34PM (#693128)

            The vast majority of welfare in USA is corporate welfare.

            Further, around 1972, wages in USA flattened.
            That was after the 1971 Powell Memorandum, sometimes used as the mark of the beginning of The Neoliberal Era.
            Characteristics of Neoliberalism [soylentnews.org]

            liberal left

            That's an oxymoron.
            Left and Right are ECONOMIC terms.
            "Left" means Anti-Capitalist.
            Liberals are NOT Anti-Capitalist.
            Liberalism -depends- on redistributing the wealth of Capitalists.
            It is -very- different from Leftism AKA Socialism AKA worker-ownership of the means of production.

            The people you are referencing would properly be described as "slightly less Right". [politicalcompass.org]
            That is called a Liberal Democrat (even outside USA).

            -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]

      • (Score: 2) by Thexalon on Thursday June 14, @03:23PM (4 children)

        by Thexalon (636) on Thursday June 14, @03:23PM (#692956) Homepage

        There is more to this than just "because taxes". I don't know what, though.

        Part of the story may also be that the demographics [statisticalatlas.com]: Northern California would be substantially whiter and substantially richer per capita than current California. Southern California would be heavily Hispanic, and on average poorer than current California.

        --
        A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of bad gravy.
        • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Thursday June 14, @05:29PM (3 children)

          by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Thursday June 14, @05:29PM (#693029)

          Ah, thanks! Now that is an explanation that makes sense.

          It also fits with what I seem to observe that conservatives are deeply afraid of dark skinned or non European descent people who seem to be appearing in the US. God certainly did not make then with the same rights as I have! No way! It must say that in the constitution somewhere, or the bible.

          On a more practical matter. The richer per capita Northern California might not like paying taxes if non white people, living anywhere, might benefit from it.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 14, @06:12PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 14, @06:12PM (#693064)

            But for them, paying the taxes would be easier because they'll keep cutting the taxes to rev the economy.

            Remember, you gotta cut money to make money.

          • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 14, @07:52PM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 14, @07:52PM (#693138)

            You're not doing well with terminology today.

            A Conservative wants to slow progress to a crawl.
            “A Conservative is someone who stands athwart history, yelling STOP." [google.com] -- William F. Buckley, Jr.

            Someone who wants to go BACK in time, e.g to erase the gains made by The Working Class, women, and people of color in the 20th Century, is a Reactionary. [google.com]
            Those people are RADICAL.
            Radical is the OPPOSITE of Conservative.

            -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 15, @05:17PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 15, @05:17PM (#693591)

              Well, not quite.

              You can have a conservative (slow, incrementalist) approach to reactionaryism as well as progressivism.

              You can have a radical (quick, large moves) approach to both as well.

              But you're right about the definition of conservatism.

      • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 14, @04:47PM (6 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 14, @04:47PM (#693000)

        In case you haven't been paying attention, these areas of California - the more conservative ones - are really quite poorly represented both at the state and national level.

        They suffer from horrible, unconstitutional laws/restrictions about firearms, as just one example, despite being in rural areas where you actually do need rifles/shotguns for varmints. Hell, I'd never consider moving to California for this reason alone.

        And yes, they're heavily taxed. Remember the rallying cry 'No taxation without representation?'

        • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Thursday June 14, @05:36PM (1 child)

          by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Thursday June 14, @05:36PM (#693032)

          In case you haven't been paying attention . . .

          I don't live in California. So your explanation, and others' here are helpful.

          they're heavily taxed

          If they are unfairly taxed, then IMO they have a genuine grievance. But, somehow, I suspect that any taxes would be considered too heavy.

          They suffer from horrible, unconstitutional laws/restrictions about firearms

          People in more densely populated areas suffer from horrible mentally ill people with firearms.

          Now if only the two groups could get together and come to some reasonable compromises. I suspect at least one group is unwilling to do so. But I don't know for a fact. There are clearly some individuals who simply should not have firearms. If you live in a rural area, you might not meet very many of them. Or might be one of them, but that is pure speculation.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 15, @05:15PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 15, @05:15PM (#693588)

            It's not just all about guns.

            It's about urbanites and suburbanites forcing life decisions on rural communities, without knowledge or experience or exposure to the problems of those communities, but often with a lot of self-righteous, activist-driven opinions.

            Do guns enter into that discussion? Sure. So do everything from construction regulations to water management.

        • (Score: 2) by bob_super on Thursday June 14, @07:52PM (3 children)

          by bob_super (1357) on Thursday June 14, @07:52PM (#693139)

          > being in rural areas where you actually do need rifles/shotguns for varmints

          Most Dems are ok with single-action long guns and shotguns. The varmints are not a valid reason to want to sell everyone a glock or an AR...

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 15, @06:14AM (2 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 15, @06:14AM (#693353)

            Semi-automatics are justified for fast-moving varmints.

            I guess you could use very fast repeater actions such as pump or lever, but you might as well use semi-automatics.

            Or, you know, just go banning things because it feels good, but let's not pretend that culling feral hogs with a single shot rifle is a good plan.

            • (Score: 2) by bob_super on Friday June 15, @06:24AM (1 child)

              by bob_super (1357) on Friday June 15, @06:24AM (#693355)

              You're a shitty hunter. Your ancestors would like to smack you over the head, and leave you to die of starvation.

              Do you bother to wonder how hunters and farmers deal with big wild game in the majority of countries where semi-auto long guns, and even pump-action shotguns are forbidden, and all you get to own is a breech loader?

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 15, @05:13PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 15, @05:13PM (#693583)

                Speak for yourself. I've tracked shy game and hit them with longbow. I'm a well-practised countryman.

                However, I'm also not an idiot, and I don't reach for bad solutions when good ones are available.

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by bob_super on Thursday June 14, @07:49PM

      by bob_super (1357) on Thursday June 14, @07:49PM (#693137)

      > In short, this is all about money.

      Mostly.
      But there's also the "get something on the ballot that will motivate my team to go to the polls", because the CA Dems will otherwise sweep the election.

  • (Score: 4, Funny) by nobu_the_bard on Thursday June 14, @12:09PM (9 children)

    by nobu_the_bard (6373) on Thursday June 14, @12:09PM (#692839)

    I don't think we're discussing the most important thing, which is what would we name the new states. I'd like to suggest Top California, Best California, and Narnia.

    • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 14, @12:25PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 14, @12:25PM (#692844)

      Jefferson, State of Engles and Mojave.

    • (Score: 5, Funny) by zocalo on Thursday June 14, @12:31PM (3 children)

      by zocalo (302) on Thursday June 14, @12:31PM (#692847)
      Rohan, Gondor, and Mordor. Which is which is left an exercise for the voter.
      --
      UNIX? They're not even circumcised! Savages!
      • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Thursday June 14, @04:59PM (1 child)

        by Phoenix666 (552) Subscriber Badge on Thursday June 14, @04:59PM (#693007) Journal

        Head, Heart, and Anus, as an exercise for the voter?

        --
        Washington DC delenda est.
      • (Score: 2) by snufu on Thursday June 14, @10:18PM

        by snufu (5855) on Thursday June 14, @10:18PM (#693210)

        Steppes for horse tribes.
        Riparian forests for elves.
        Alpine passes to the east.
        Volcanoes and cinder cones to the further east for Mordor.
        The Undying Land off the western coast horizon.

        You could paint middle earth in California and have desert landscapes left over for the lost unpublished chapter.

    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 14, @12:36PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 14, @12:36PM (#692851)

      What's wrong with Ecotopia? A clever novel from 1975 --
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecotopia [wikipedia.org]

      Callenbach said of the story, in relation to Americans: “It is so hard to imagine anything fundamentally different from what we have now. But without these alternate visions, we get stuck on dead center. And we’d better get ready. We need to know where we’d like to go".

      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Thexalon on Thursday June 14, @03:26PM

        by Thexalon (636) on Thursday June 14, @03:26PM (#692958) Homepage

        The main problem with "Ecotopia" would be that I'm quite certain the people behind this are not trying to create anything remotely similar to the society described in that book. The Northern California that appears to be envisioned by this split would be more likely to be run by ruthlessly capitalist techbros, not socialist-leaning environmentalist hippies.

        --
        A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of bad gravy.
    • (Score: 3, Informative) by VLM on Thursday June 14, @01:17PM

      by VLM (445) Subscriber Badge on Thursday June 14, @01:17PM (#692867)

      Should be more "California" something like "New New Mexico" for the permanently unintegrated foreign invaders, "Peoples Republic of California" for the boomer hippie commies ironically most of whom have moved up the coast to ruin those states, and "Dune" for the unpopulated desert areas.

    • (Score: 1) by nitehawk214 on Thursday June 14, @01:32PM

      by nitehawk214 (1304) on Thursday June 14, @01:32PM (#692875)

      No, no, the northern state would be "High California"

      It already is, in practice.

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      "Don't you ever miss the days when you used to be nostalgic?" -Loiosh
  • (Score: 2) by stretch611 on Friday June 15, @01:44AM

    by stretch611 (6199) on Friday June 15, @01:44AM (#693292)

    Even if California voters agree to this.. it will requite a majority...

    Then the governor, which in CA means a Democrat Governor in all likelihood) would need to approve it. And seeing how this is a big tax shift, it will not be easy for the govenor to approve.

    If this happens, it needs to be approved by congress. With todays partisan bickering, what are the chances that the Senate will vote to add 4 new senators.... CA basically has 2 Reliable Democrat Senators now... the Republicans will fight tooth and nail to avoid creating two more reliable Democratic Senators for the unreliable chance of 2 toss up seats.

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