from the hack-the-planet-the-elections-and-the-world dept.
A dozen Russian intelligence officers have been charged with conspiring to hack Democrats during the 2016 presidential campaign, according to a new indictment in the probe led by special counsel Robert S. Mueller III.
The 12 were members of Russian military intelligence, known as the GRU, and are accused of engaging in a sustained effort to hack the computer networks of Democratic organizations and the Hillary Clinton campaign.
Deputy Attorney General Rod J. Rosenstein detailed the new charges at a mid-day press conference. Mueller, as has been his practice, did not attend the announcement. Court records show a grand jury Mueller has been using returned an indictment Friday morning.
The announcement comes days before President Trump is due to meet with Russian President Vladimir Putin in Finland. Rosenstein said he briefed Trump earlier this week on the charges
[...] Rosenstein said the suspects worked to "hack into computers, steal documents, and release those documents with the intent to interfere with the election."
Mueller probe indicts 12 Russians for hacking Democrats in 2016
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 13 2018, @09:01PM
Just in time too. realDonaldTrump "knows nuclear", he's about to talk to Putin about non-proliferation and collusion. GAME OVER [americandigitalnews.com]
(Score: 5, Interesting) by DeathMonkey on Friday July 13 2018, @09:06PM (14 children)
FYI, the indictment absolutely DOES allege collusion by Americans.
On or about August 15, 2016, the Conspirators, posing as Guccifer 2.0, received a
request for stolen documents from a candidate for the U.S. Congress. The
Conspirators responded using the Guccifer 2.0 persona and sent the candidate
stolen documents related to the candidate’s opponent.
Can't wait to find out who that was!
44. The Conspirators, posing as Guccifer 2.0, also communicated with U.S. persons about the
release of stolen documents. On or about August 15, 2016, the Conspirators, posing as Guccifer
2.0, wrote to a person who wasin regular contact with senior members of the presidential campaign
of Donald J. Trump, “thank u for writing back . . . do u find anyt[h]ing interesting in the docs i
posted?” On or about August 17, 2016, the Conspirators added, “please tell me if i can help u
anyhow . . . it would be a great pleasure to me.” On or about September 9, 2016, the Conspirators,
again posing as Guccifer 2.0, referred to a stolen DCCC document posted online and asked the
person, “what do u think of the info on the turnout model for the democrats entire presidential
campaign.” The person responded, “[p]retty standard.”
Everyone's guessing this was the Roger the "Albino Assassin" Stone.
And then of course: The Same Day Trump Called for Russia to Hack Clinton's Emails, They ... Hacked Her Emails [esquire.com]
Here's the full indictment, FYI [justice.gov]
(Score: 0, Troll) by Captival on Friday July 13 2018, @10:44PM (9 children)
So when Rosenstein says "No American is involved or colluding with Russia", why are you calling him a liar?
(Score: 5, Informative) by DeathMonkey on Friday July 13 2018, @10:53PM (8 children)
So when Rosenstein says "No American is involved or colluding with Russia", why are you calling him a liar?
No, I'm calling you a liar because he never said that.
Here's the transcript. [time.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @12:26AM
inshallah [wikipedia.org]
(Score: 4, Interesting) by bradley13 on Saturday July 14 2018, @09:52AM (6 children)
Captival asks: "So when Rosenstein says "No American is involved or colluding with Russia", why are you calling him a liar?"
DeathMonkey replies: "No, I'm calling you a liar because he never said that. Here's the transcript."
Um...that transcript that you link to contains the following statement:
"There is no allegation in this indictment that any American citizen committed a crime. There is no allegation that the conspiracy changed the vote count or affected any election result."
What Rosenstein did say is that Americans corresponded with Russians, but without realizing who they were communicating with. But anyway the whole effort yielded no result. So charging 12 "Russian military officers" - who will just ignore him - serves what purpose exactly?
Remember the charges against the Russian companies? Likely, the investigators were shocked that the companies actually showed up in court, demanding to see the evidence behind the charges - but they did. Oops...
So they decided on a different approach: charge individuals, because individuals cannot show up to defend themselves without risking arbitrary and indefinite imprisonment. That's how the US justice system rolls.
The whole investigation has always looked like a political farce. This latest indictment just confirms that. Time to end the idiocy...
Everyone is somebody else's weirdo.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @12:54PM (2 children)
Youre not even from living in the US for a while now, fuck off.
(Score: 1) by Captival on Saturday July 14 2018, @05:51PM (1 child)
Oh good, an anonymous cretin is here to say "NUH UH, YUR A DUMMY!" and expects to be taken seriously.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @06:56PM
Better than being a fool who cant get basic facts rught.
(Score: 1) by speederaser on Saturday July 14 2018, @03:04PM (2 children)
Your logic circuits are failing you. Not making an allegation in a particular indictment isn't evidence "they didn't do it". All it says is that this indictment doesn't include charges against American citizens. Later indictments may include those, or they may not. Only Mueller knows. We certainly don't.
Oops indeed. All indications are the evidence is classified and came from classified sources. My guess is NSA/CIA wiretapping of Russians. Discovery in court requires disclosure of all evidence to the defendant, which means in this case that classified information must be released to the Russians. Ouch. Mueller is going to have to chose between dropping the case or releasing classified information to the Russians. Unless he has some way to continue prosecution without releasing the data that us lay people don't know about.
Willful ignorance is strong with you young Jedi... Political farces don't result in 31 indictments, 5 guilty pleas, and 2 people associated with the Trump campaign in jail, one serving time and the other being held pretrial because he was caught tampering with witnesses. All that in one year. Compare and contrast with the Ken Starr investigation of Bill Clinton 20 years ago. One year in, Starr had 0 indictments, 0 guilty pleas, and 0 people in jail. This isn't a competition, but if it was, Mueller would be kicking Ken Starr's ass. I'm fairly confident you think Ken Starr's investigation was not a witch hunt.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @03:46PM (1 child)
Do you think it is ok to indict someone on the basis of secret evidence? I didn't realize it but apparently this secret evidence thing is not so uncommon:
https://www.aclu.org/other/support-secret-evidence-repeal-act [aclu.org]
That seems really bad to me.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @05:43PM
Im not a fan of secret evidence either, but maybe this will end up a good thing. Criminals punished and outrage from many cirizens about shitty law enforcement tactics that need to be improved / removed.
(Score: 1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @12:03AM (1 child)
We found PRESIDENTIAL collusion with Russia.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsFR8DbSRQE [youtube.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @12:37AM
Lol, and this is the best you can do? Figures.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @05:03AM
What about the first set of indictments? Is Mueller going to proceed or is he going to keep claiming the opposition didn't have enough time to prepare despite them saying otherwise?
(Score: 2) by hemocyanin on Saturday July 14 2018, @08:54AM
Right, because in America we don't need proof, or trials, or evidence of any kind before rushing to conviction. and lynching.
Secondly, so what you got hacked? It's all a big distraction from the content -- the collusion between the media and HRC, HRC's pied piper strategy. If we ever definitively know who hacked the DNC, I'd like to send those responsible a "thank you" gift as a token of my gratitude.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by physicsmajor on Friday July 13 2018, @09:31PM (12 children)
Oh no, of course not, the DNC wasn't ever interested in handing that over to anyone for forensic verification/investigation.
Spearphishing is nothing new. Until we have any actual evidence from the actual server(s) in question, this is exactly as credible as the quite plausible fact that Seth Rich was the source and it was an inside job. And ruling one of those out would have been completely trivial, but they chose not to. That choice does have implications. Draw your own conclusions.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 13 2018, @09:57PM
The problem is those servers basically no longer exist. That will be a major stumbling block for the prosecution. One the defense will be all over. One the defense will hammer on over and over. The evidence they have is circumstantial at best. Then even *IF* those servers turn up the chain of evidence will be terrible at this point.
It is clear they want to pin picking a poor candidate then trying to pick a 'worse one' then losing to that one. They do not want to know because they already know. They want to blame someone else. Instead of appealing to their base and getting people excited to vote (something trump did a lot of). They are playing the fear card, and hard.
But yeah I agree prob seth rich is the one who did it. Assanage has all but said it a few times. Another person no one has talked to about it.
(Score: 3, Informative) by DeathMonkey on Friday July 13 2018, @10:45PM (10 children)
Oh no, of course not, the DNC wasn't ever interested in handing that over to anyone for forensic verification/investigation.
Is this the lie you are referring to?
Did John Podesta deny CIA and FBI access to DNC server, as Donald Trump claims? [politifact.com]
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 13 2018, @11:08PM (5 children)
Again and again, I rarely see any "liberal" points refuted except with garbage sites like breitbart that have no real sources, just lots of yelling and emotional appeals.
I'm going to find it really difficult to take the high ground and not gleefully proclaim "conservitard tears mmmm so tasty! #RealWinning"
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @12:28AM (3 children)
You must be blind.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @12:39AM (2 children)
I'm talking about this site. You must be one of the users lacking critical thinking skills. Ideologically blind if you will.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @01:11AM (1 child)
Which is bullshit because I don't recall Breitbart links on this site. You could have had a pass on Youtube links [youtube.com] or links to sites that will post things the mockingbird media will not. [americandigitalnews.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @04:28AM
git smarter
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 15 2018, @09:51PM
Because the fucking media in ON THE DEMOCRAT'S SIDE, you nitwit! Every fucking network has DNC people on staff. ABC's senior anchor is fucking George Stephanopolous who STILL worked for the Clintons while he was on the job! No SHIT you're going to get biased news that way. So conveniently, every side you don't like doesn't count! What a fucking genius that makes you!
(Score: 2) by physicsmajor on Saturday July 14 2018, @01:25AM
Have you read that article? It focuses entirely on John Podesta, constructing a great strawman it then knocks down. That's at least the first half and the basis for 'false'.
However, I did not misspeak in that way and this article in fact does eventually admit that the three-day letter agencies never got or inspected the actual server. They only got the result of a supposed CloudFlare third party inspection. I shouldn't have to tell this audience how hilariously insufficient that is for such serious allegations.
(Score: 4, Informative) by shortscreen on Saturday July 14 2018, @08:31AM
Congrats on getting score 5 for refuting a claim that the parent never made. John Podesta's role or lack thereof is not relevant. The fact is that the FBI didn't examine the DNC server. It says so right in your linked article. The DNC hired their buddies at Crowdstrike to do their "investigation" and then turned over those (no doubt carefully curated) results afterward.
(Score: 2) by hemocyanin on Saturday July 14 2018, @09:01AM
All that says is that it is untrue to say "John Podesta did not turn over the actual drives" because he wasn't part of the DNC and didn't have control over the drives. That leaves open the question of who it was at the DNC that didn't turn over the actual drives, but does not discount the fact that the DNC did not turn over the actual drives.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @03:25PM
It says there that they never let the FBI access the server for some reason even though this is "best practices". You fell for trump drawing more attention to something by including a flaw (standard marketing tactic, like putting a typo on a billboard).
And also how insecure are the communications of all these people. If they are clicking random links in emails you have to assume all their communications are "hacked". Is this just the DNC or the entire government?
Anyway, what is the reason to not let the FBI inspect the servers?
(Score: 2, Interesting) by jmorris on Friday July 13 2018, @09:54PM (18 children)
So after a humiliating day of testimony yesterday and an upcoming meeting with Putin to sabatoge, they indict more people they think will never appear to answer the charges. Would be fricking hilarious if Putin sent them over here and lawyered em up like he did last time they tried this tactic. These clowns seem utterly resistant to learning from past mistakes. Their old tricks have stopped working and instead of realizing that and trying to adapt they simply double down and shout the same bullcrap louder.
Listen up any remaining Conservatives. We (I include myself as an ex-Conservative) lost over and over to these morons for decades because we were convinced they couldn't be beaten, only slowed. They are beatable, all we needed do was want to win. Behold the God who bleeds. Instead we allowed ourselves to be trapped in a philosophy that opposes winning above all else. Read Kirk's _The Conservative Mind_, realize this harsh reality and abandon Conservatism to the ash heap of history with Communism and join us on the team that wants to WIN SOMETHING FOR A CHANGE! No bipartisanship, no one sided compromise, no losing slowly. We are the good guys, they are the bad guys and they are going to make a satisfying thump when they hit the ground. (Points for anyone who spots where I stole that.)
(Score: 5, Touché) by Snow on Friday July 13 2018, @09:56PM
So, basically FAKE NEWS!?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 13 2018, @10:02PM
Охота на ведьм, мой друг
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by VLM on Friday July 13 2018, @10:17PM (2 children)
The problem with Kirk is it was written with 1930s mindset, and its almost ninety years later and the ideas and language need fine tuning.
For example take Kirk's "transcendent order". As leftism turns in on itself, there's a lot of Lysenkoism going on WRT liberal creationist beliefs in the lack of human biological differences, for example. So to Kirk "transcendent order" meant going to church and reading the book of Genesis with your neighbors, in 1930. And Kirk gets waffle speak with "natural order" and whatnot. But in late 2010s, Kirk's "transcendent order" is reading a genetics or statistics textbook, or using the scientific method and thinking for yourself, not thinking to get good boy points on social media or to make the DNC central committee happy. Its the same way of thinking, expressed somewhat differently as society has changed outside of it, making it hard to explain Kirk to people with 2010s minds instead of 1930s minds.
There's stuff in Kirk thats not obsolete, property and liberty are pretty much synonymous and all that. Of course the definition of property has people all wound up and distracted in 2010 about central bank real estate bubbles, bitcoins, intellectual property, and infinite copyright of Disney motion pictures.
Maybe a way of rephrasing the Kirk problem is the left has been pushing Harvey Weinstein's values for a century mostly by shitposting that the bible sucks because it documents the value of pi as about 3, so everyone should ignore it, while not trumpeting that the reason why everyone should ignore the bible is because everyone should convert at the point of an economic sword to what for lack of a better phrase would be Weinstein-ism. I'm just saying Kirk wrote about 1930s problems in a 1930s world and published it around 1950, and todays problems have similar roots but different expression.
Meanwhile Kirk wrote about white people philosophies competing like conservatism vs liberalism, although the prevailing discourse today is Jews, gaslit cat ladies, and minorities vs the whites in a race war, and that white people philosophical stuff doesn't matter in a battle where all the opposition cares about is skin color, and white is defined as "bad".
(Score: 2) by jmorris on Saturday July 14 2018, @12:08AM (1 child)
Those aren't the problems with Kirk and Conservatism. Read it again and keep asking one question. All the way back to Burke the goal was only to hold back the French Revolution's bloody horrors. But the assumption all the way back then until National Review today has always been that Democracy and the whole Progressive push to the Sunny Uplands is the only future for man. Conservatives behold it with horror and seek to hold the madness back but have no alternative vision of their own to oppose it with. Never once in all those pages is there anything like a vision of what a Conservative future looks like. They all admit that we can't simply return to the past, that if nothing else the technological genie is out of the bottle. Most don't even think staking out a firm position is even a conservative thing. Only to resist, then to yield and finally to "Conserve" the victories of their enemies. A Listicle of "principles" doesn't get ya very far, witness the last century. Did you notice how fast National review went from abject horror at "gay marriage" to "a Conservative case for gay marriage" less than a year after a lawless court decision overturned countless elections? They have been faster still adopting the trans rights position and while it still now "unthinkable" we can pretty safely say it won't be a decade before Rich and the gang are fully on board with adding the second P to the letter salad and "Conserving" that too.
You can only fight a slow retreat so long, eventually you run out of land and find yourself with your back to the sea. That is where Conservatism now finds itself. Some are simply trying to build boats while others say it is time to abandon a philosophy of retreat and try putting points on the board for a change. Trump has shown us that it is possible to win, our enemies aren't unbeatable, they aren't inevitable. They aren't even all that smart. And they bleed. That changes everything. It means we can have a future worth living in if we can only decide what we want and be willing to fight for it. We have to want it more than the Proggies want their Sunny Uplands. It doesn't have to be a choice between an Orwellian nightmare or an Ayn Rand dystopia. The stars await us. Let us end this madness and go claim our future among the stars.
(Score: 3, Funny) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday July 14 2018, @03:45AM
Great idea! In fact, we've prepared this nice big spaceship with the letter B on it exclusively for right-thinking, forward-minded types like yourself. On you go, now.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 13 2018, @10:22PM
Trolling moron alert!!!
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 13 2018, @10:32PM (9 children)
This is the exact problem. Everybody is so focused on "winning" rather than "doing the right thing." This applies to both "the Left" as well as "the Right."
The most disgusting thing I heard in recent past was a woman talking on talk radio the other day about the policy of separating children from parents along the southern border. Putting aside all else, she was lamenting, "I think this time they finally got something which will stick. It's those damn pictures of babies. You can't do anything about that."
No talk about what's right and what's wrong. It was purely "Trump is on our side, so we need to support him come hell or high water." The same could be said for the Left (e.g. failure to condemn 3rd-wave feminism or political correctness when it goes too far).
People are so concerned with Winning and Losing that they aren't willing to listen to the other side at all. Both sides have some good ideas and some bad ideas, but if anybody ever has the temerity to say something like "the private healthcare system in the US could use some improvement" or "Roe v. Wade is kind of a Lochnerized decision" will be pilloried if on the wrong side.
Why not be less focused on "winning" and more focused on doing the right thing?
(Score: 4, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Friday July 13 2018, @10:55PM (2 children)
Why not be less focused on "winning" and more focused on doing the right thing?
Which, in this case, is to hold the people who violated our laws responsible for their crimes.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @12:35AM (1 child)
Glad you're onboard with prosecuting Obama, Clinton, Strzok and fellow conspirators.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @05:00AM
I look forward to those being prosecuted for sedition.
(Score: 5, Funny) by Thexalon on Friday July 13 2018, @11:03PM (3 children)
I've always looked at it like this: One side is more concerned with winning than with being right. Another side is more concerned with being right than with winning. Well, guess what? The system we live in can give both of these groups of people what they want: Those that are concerned with being right can be right, and those concerned with winning can win. A select few members of Team Win get all the money and power and prestige that comes from being in charge of things because they won, and a select few members of Team Right get all the money and power and prestige that comes from being a well-known professional griper, and meanwhile the power structures are busy doing the wrong thing because they're controlled by Team Win rather than Team Right.
Very rarely, someone is on Team Right and manages to win. Also, occasionally, someone on Team Win will do the right thing more-or-less by accident. But those are definitely the minority of cases.
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
(Score: 5, Interesting) by DeathMonkey on Friday July 13 2018, @11:06PM (2 children)
It seems like all Americans should be able to agree that we don't want foreign powers installing malware our election infrastructure. I guess that's not the case...
(Score: 5, Informative) by Thexalon on Saturday July 14 2018, @03:46AM
But that's because you are working on the values of Team Right. The values of Team Win are that if the hacking helps your favored candidate or party win, then you should support it wholeheartedly, because winning is the only thing that counts.
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by hemocyanin on Saturday July 14 2018, @09:04AM
Come on. So few people cared about the emails or the hacks. I mean let's face it, HRC sucked. She sucked at strategy. She sucked at policy. She excelled at sleazy dealing. She excelled at being a right wing warhawk. She excelled at being tone-deaf to the needs of average Americans.
You know how you can tell HRC sucked and the DNC which coronated her sucked? Trump won. Fix yourself.
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by realDonaldTrump on Friday July 13 2018, @11:09PM
Most people think small, because most people are afraid of success, afraid of making decisions, afraid of winning. And that gives people like me a great advantage. I have a temperament where I know how to win. I'm tremendously honored to have the greatest temperament that anybody has, because we know how to win. We Republicans are going to go forward, and we're going to win. But more importantly, we're going to win for the Country. We're going to win, win, win. And we're not stopping. We're going to have great victories for our Country!
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by VLM on Friday July 13 2018, @11:31PM
Because of social status virtue signalling, which social media intentionally exacerbates, and the irony of "Anonymous Coward" posting this is hilarious.
Whats one thing all those shitty people with shitty 'tudes about winning at all cost have in common? They are all spouting their nonsense attached to their real name on social media or attached to some legacy media show/program. Every time.
It LOOKS like a disease of the left because legacy media and Soviet Valley "tech" is hyper left wing so most of the infected unthinking zombies are on the far left, but right wing groups have similar problems. The way the right wing groups handle it is hilarious, I've seen discussions along the lines of "Are potato niggers white, or not?" and the point of that is to burn out and pillory that kind of purity spiral disease, not entirely effectively. Its also hilarious, and often a parody, the peak of this sort of "Are pasta niggers white or not?" purity spiral parody was around the time of far left wing legacy media attempting to seriously discuss "Is Rachel Dolezal white or not?" (She's a white woman who wanted some of that delicious black affirmative action benefits despite being white, so she... claimed to be black until she got called out, LOL)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 13 2018, @11:34PM
fuck you bugger
(Score: 2) by ElizabethGreene on Sunday July 15 2018, @05:39AM
I too hope that the defendants will show up in court. None of the public documents to date have delved into any level of technical detail about how blame was assigned on one nation or another. I'd like very much to get a look at how that's done.
In incident response we get "a feeling" about an attacker based on activity during holidays, working hours, etc, but it's quite ephemeral. Seeing how "the government" does it would be most informative. Additionally there is the non-trivial possibility that wrongs were committed by the perpetrators and they might face justice. That would be an interesting outcome as well.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by VLM on Friday July 13 2018, @09:57PM (30 children)
1) Pot Meet Kettle. The country that's interfered in most elections on the planet for more than a century ... gets interfered with one time in return. I guess street justice isn't the best justice but after all the shit shows the CIA has been involved in, this one time, someone leaks some truth about the worst candidate to be run in decades if not centuries... eh... not terribly concerned, really.
2) There's no problem on the "world stage" in the sense that the truth coming out about Hillary (isn't it fascinating that no one in the propaganda empire is discussing the nuts and bolts, its all very abstract phrases about esoteric interference, kinda like how the witches in Salem were, you know, "doing witchcraft" on farmers cows and stuff?) will cause less shit to hit the fan than having War Whore Hillary start WW3 in Syria, Iran, god knows where else. In that way the "world stage" is stable; no one interferes with the election of some village chief in Botswana because he's not going to start a global thermonuclear war over Russia not being commie enough by DNC standards. To some extent the survival of the Russian people (not to mention the American people) literally and factually depend on Hillary not winning, so if you look at this like an action flick "you'd do anything to save your country from a terrorist" kind of thing, those Russians are kinda international heros for saving the world from War Whore Hillary. Yeah they screwed someone, but screwing over a 007-style international war criminal super villain isn't all that bad in the spectrum of screwing over individuals. A snarky bastard like myself would nominate them for a Nobel Peace Prize for preventing more destruction than crappy old Obama who got a prize exclusively for the achievement of being only half white.
3) With all the diplomatic immunity "doing their job" type stuff, this is as close to a NOP no-operation as can be performed while still making headlines in the controlled propaganda outlets. You'll note the usual propaganda outlets not having much to say in response to the logical question of "OK so now what?" Its the same boring content free headline on CNN for the next 24 hours at least. I wouldn't go quite as far as saying "they" made this shit up knowing nothing will happen merely to make it look good, but it does kinda smell that way. I mean seriously, your grand achievement is reporting that a couple Russian Spies were Spying for Russia? Dogs gotta do dog things, so "film at 11, shocking revelation that dogs pee on telephone poll"? This is kinda like that time the NK imprisoned that idiot for trying to steal a propaganda poster, they're playing with real lives, but mostly putting on a big meaningless show in the long run. Its like a shocking click bait expose video that cops run speed traps or something. So we've discovered that spies... spy? Or at least their enemies say they do, and I'm sure their enemies would never lie?
(Score: 4, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 13 2018, @10:40PM (17 children)
You know there is something worth paying attention to when VLM won't even go full denier on the story and instead tries to pussyfoot the topic into a non-story. Oh, he does attempt to push the fake news angle but only slightly.
They feel the tide turning, the evidence piling up, and one day they'll wake up and realize they've been backing the biggest loser around.
(Score: 1, Offtopic) by VLM on Friday July 13 2018, @11:18PM (4 children)
Technically, Hillary and the Democrats still lost, so worst case scenario is "second biggest loser".
Still, I think we're infinitely more likely to see Trump on Mt Rushmore than see him in prison. Or rephrased, the odds of any of the propaganda channels being truthful is much lower than the odds of the God Emperor getting added to Mt Rushmore, although admittedly the odds of both are quite low.
I'd be quite satisfied with naming the first Space Marines military base on the moon "Trump Base", or putting his smiling face on the $20 bill. I love the mental image of some special snowflake looking up at the moon thru a haze of MJ smoke, seeing a Space Marines base lighting up some crater, and reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeing reminiscent of the famous khaaaaaan from "Star Trek Two the wrath of kahn"
(Score: 1, Offtopic) by jmorris on Friday July 13 2018, @11:28PM (3 children)
I want to see the Wall built and if Trump's name is to go on something that should be it. Big golden letters every half mile. It needs to be glorious and luxurious enough to justify putting the TRUMP brand upon it proudly.
(Score: 2) by VLM on Friday July 13 2018, @11:39PM (2 children)
I would not punch to the right in the sense of disagreeing with you, but there's no inherent reason, for example, the name "TRUMP" couldn't be put into the pattern of the bricks making the wall itself while ALSO at the same time naming Space Marine Lunar Base #0001 officially titled "Trump Base". It's not like we're gonna be tired of winning and "use up" the God Emperors name such that it can't be used elsewhere.
Actually I think General Order Number One for the Space Marines should be the first station or base in any location is always "Trump Base" or "Trump Station". If we have millions of stations named "Trump Station" in the Empire eventually, well, so be it.
(Score: 1, Troll) by jmorris on Saturday July 14 2018, @01:12AM (1 child)
Well if we are gonna make it a tradition to name the first base everywhere "Trump Base" that would be hella cool. But no Mt. Rushmore. There are losers up there and I doubt we can get away with blasting them off before putting Trump up there.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by Thexalon on Saturday July 14 2018, @03:55AM
Out of curiosity, between George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln, and Teddy Roosevelt, which one of those is the loser in your mind? Because as best as I can tell, all 4 of those guys succeeded in doing much of what they set out to do.
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by jmorris on Friday July 13 2018, @11:24PM (11 children)
You miss the point. We. Don't. Care.
The worst case scenario in Russiagate is something that if we were shown HD video of unimpeachable provenance we would simply shrug and say "Ok, so what?" Water is wet and Russians spy. Trump may or may not (spoiler: he didn't) have accepted an assist from Putin in defeating the most evil candidate since Wilson. We. Don't. Care. So let Mueller keep on wanking off because there is nothing down that path that could possibly harm Trump and while it drags eternally on you bastards won't start the next equally pointless investigation. Meanwhile Trump and Sessions are disinfecting the DOJ and FBI of the filth that these political witch hunts fester out of. Your day is done. Rage against the coming night as you will, we will simply drink your tears of unfathomable sadness.
We know where the DNC data dump came from and if you would only admit it to yourself you know too. His name was Seth Rich. Someday the Truth will finally come out. Someday there will be a statue of him. Imagine that, a Bernie Bro with a statue erected by Reactionaries. What will you do on that glorious day? I suspect a lot of self harm.
(Score: 4, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 13 2018, @11:43PM (6 children)
Lol, and the subsequent thread of you and VLM jerking each other off really nails that point home.
#MAGA4RLZ
(Score: 3, Informative) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday July 14 2018, @03:49AM (5 children)
Those two deserve one another. It's like watching a kind of Ouroboros human centipede, where each of them *wants* to eat the others' shit. Anyone who seriously uses "God-Emperor" to refer to Trump is beyond help. VLM is basically the ass-end of Reddit condensed into one greasy, creepy little troll, and J-Mo is a walking Beer Hall Putsch (in his own mind).
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @03:53AM (4 children)
Some of that rant made me think jmorris is just a troll, but most of his posts don't quite seem trollish enough. Maybe he's playing the long con? Nah, just a potato that the US gov turned into the first "million dollar man". That's why he's so mad about gender identity, no one ever thinks of the potato men!
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday July 14 2018, @08:30PM (3 children)
J-Mo is morally insane. Full stop. And he counts on people like you giving him the benefit of the doubt, saying, "no, he can't be THAT bad, this has got to be a joke! Right? Right...?"
Stop seeing him as a functioning human being. This man's posts are warnings for them as has the understanding; it's the forum equivalent of looking into someone's eyes and noticing that the gaze isn't returned, that it stops about six inches from the his face and that you are registering as either prey or scenery.
Evil is real. It walks in the world, it exists in every venue, even in cyberspace. Protect yourself, because evil has no remorse and will not hesitate to use you.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 15 2018, @06:51AM (1 child)
Meh, I don't get the sense of actual evil here, just plain simple stupidity. I recently encountered a real life version and sadly humans can be mostly decent with a core of stupidity/evil. It does little good to try and cast them as "the great evil" and in fact actually helps their cause by creating martyr status. They are just ignorant morons who have extremely stupid world views. Maybe one or both are actually evil fuckers looking to harm the "enemy" but I just don't quite get that feeling. They seem more like useful idiots who follow propaganda and believe stereotypes are 99% correct.
I don't fault you for your feelings and you may very well be right, but without hope (that they are just clueless fucking morons) where would we be? These idiots voted for a conman hoping it would do some good, I think they were aware enough to realize what they did and they now have those twinges of regret, but being narcissistic idiots they can't even begin to admit they were wrong. So even though jmo and vlm are likely racist regressive shitheads they do represent a significant minority in this country and we should stop trying to shame them into compliance and focus instead on minimizing the damage they do. Let the next generation choose a better path.
The only other option is civil war / genocide and I think I'd rather tolerate these assholes then go down that road.
(Score: 3, Funny) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday July 15 2018, @02:26PM
Don't get the wrong impression: I'm not trying to shame J-Mo or VLM, partly because they by definition have no shame, certainly none that can be accessed by appealing to common human decency.
No, this is a warning to everyone else: those people are cognitohazards. They will melt your brain and your heart the way Ebola melts your internal organs. Stay clear, study at a distance, and immunize yourself from future attacks on your critical thinking skills and your basic humanity in the future.
They're irredeemable. The only way to minimize their damage is to contain them, make sure everyone knows about them, and lock them down thereby. This is the noosphere equivalent of a biohazard breach.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 15 2018, @09:54PM
Look at this couple of wackjobs. How do you guys manage to circle jerk each other when you've literally cut off your own dicks?
(Score: 4, Informative) by Aegis on Saturday July 14 2018, @04:13AM (2 children)
Definitive proof that the election had been altered would be met with a shrug of indifference.
This really is how Republics fall...
(Score: 5, Insightful) by jmorris on Saturday July 14 2018, @05:31AM (1 child)
You might not have been paying attention the last few years. Obama sent pretty much his whole campaign team to Israel to campaign for the Commie candidate. He personally went to England to campaign against BrExit. He did these things openly, with abundant media coverage and as I recall, zero denunciation from any of the shitheads like yourself screeching so loudly now. Previous administrations have likewise meddled openly and covertly in elections around the world for decades. Does the phrase "regime change" ring any bells? The whole "Arab Spring" was a U.S. inspired, directed and controlled operation that overthrew several governments we were not, in any stretch of the term, in a hostile relationship with. Egypt in fact is an ally, one we permit to buy weapons systems only sold to close, trusted allies.
Hillary Clinton was loudly beating the war drums against Russia. Seems Putin had at least as much of a direct and vital national interest in that as Obama had in the Israeli election and I happen to agree with Putin that a shooting war between our countries is one of the dumber ideas. So lets now examine what he is accused of doing. He bought some Facebook ads. Wow. He supposedly hacked the DNC server and dumped it to Wikileaks. That is not true, the leaker was Seth Rich and the Clintons had him killed for it. But for the sake of debate let us assume it is true. Those leaks revealed multiple actual felony level crimes. So the worst you could accuse Putin of here is committing Journalism without a license. So give him a Pulitzer Prize already and lets Move On. You say it was a crime to hack the server? So? It was a crime to publish the Pentagon Papers too, they got a Pulitzer and a pass from SCOTUS so I'm merely applying your own rulebook. For the final charge, that Putin and Trump "colluded" (whatever the Hell that means, show me that one in a law book) to stop Hillary. If it turns out to be true, by averting WWIII they can share the Nobel Peace Prize.
But the truth is Putin wasn't trying to pick a winner. Unless you ascribe a knowledge of American politics to him and his minions greatly exceeding any pundit, consultant or "expert" actually operating in the U.S. he couldn't have believed Trump stood much of a chance. Which is why he had given the Clinton Foundation over a hundred million dollars, buying a seat at the table in the next administration along with the Uranium 1 deal getting greased. Putin was probably meddling, same as most other nation states, to discover the extent to which he COULD meddle but mostly to sow chaos. If we don't want our elections hacked we should stop using computerized election machines. But then Democrats would also have more trouble rigging elections and that is more important to them.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @12:58PM
Unhinging....faster....must not...laugh!@!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @11:32AM
Go facsism! What a maroon.
(Score: 2) by srobert on Friday July 13 2018, @10:51PM (10 children)
Don't you understand that America is an exceptional nation? When the Russians try to hack our elections, they are pursuing the evil objectives of Vlad "the Meddler" Putin. When America interferes with other countries elections, encourages, and equips coups to install dictators, lies, cheats, assassinates, etc., it's doing these things in pursuit of noble high-minded objectives. Why even the bugging of Angela Merkel's phone, you can have complete faith that America only resorts to such invasive measures out of necessety in order to bring about a better world. We don't like doing such things, but we have to because WE'RE THE GOOD GUYS.
(Score: 2) by VLM on Friday July 13 2018, @11:12PM (3 children)
And the irony of this coming out the same day (more or less) as some staggeringly unprofessional FBI agents testifying about doing that kind of stuff domestically is not lost as a symbolic signal.
I'm pretty sure these guys are only indicted solely because Peter Strzok testified and thats gotta be buried from the propaganda channels. Its a pretty bad indictment of "American Justice" when getting indicted is caused solely by some shitty secret political police getting bad P.R.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Friday July 13 2018, @11:16PM (1 child)
And the irony of this coming out the same day (more or less) as some staggeringly unprofessional FBI agents testifying about doing that kind of stuff domestically is not lost as a symbolic signal.
You mean like when they leaked all that damaging information they had on Trump? Except, they didn't actually do that, did they? Even though they easily could have...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @12:46AM
All that damning stuff they had to fabricate?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 13 2018, @11:39PM
Spare us the hypocritical speeches.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 13 2018, @11:13PM
Oooph, I wish I could swallow that lie but it just isn't so. Occasionally the motives of the US line up with being the GOOD GUYS as you say, but usually it is for power and money. Good outcomes are a tangential effect, and only then sometimes. Other times the US directly subverts groups that are trying to improve their own country because the US wants governments friendly to US business interests.
We are NOT the good guys, though we may be better than some of the alternatives.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 13 2018, @11:48PM (1 child)
America is special. I think we all know that. Put it on the short bus.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @12:49AM
That was basically Obama's policies.
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Saturday July 14 2018, @03:03AM (2 children)
It was said better with the puppets fucking and fighting.
'merica, fuck yeah!
(Or however it went...I'm getting old)
:)
--- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. ---Gaaark 2.0 ---
(Score: 2) by jmorris on Saturday July 14 2018, @05:42AM (1 child)
Team America - America, Fuck Yeah Lyrics
America
America
America, fuck yeah!
Coming again to save the mother fucking day, yeah
America, fuck yeah!
Freedom is the only way, yeah
Terrorist your game is through 'cause now you have to answer too
America, fuck yeah!
So lick my butt and suck on my balls
America, fuck yeah!
What you gonna to do when we come for you now
It's the dream that we all share
It's the hope for tomorrow
Fuck yeah!
McDonalds, fuck yeah!
Wal-Mart, fuck yeah!
The Gap, fuck yeah!
Baseball, fuck yeah!
NFL, fuck yeah!
Rock and roll, fuck yeah!
The Internet, fuck yeah!
Slavery, fuck yeah!
Fuck yeah!
Starbucks, fuck yeah!
Disney world, fuck yeah!
Porno, fuck yeah!
Valium, fuck yeah!
Reebok's, fuck yeah!
Fake tits, fuck yeah!
Sushi, fuck yeah!
Taco Bell, fuck yeah!
Rodeos, fuck yeah!
Bed bath and beyond
Fuck yeah, fuck yeah
Liberty, fuck yeah!
White Slips, fuck yeah!
The Alamo, fuck yeah!
Band-aids, fuck yeah!
Las Vegas, fuck yeah!
Christmas, fuck yeah!
Immigrants, fuck yeah!
Popeye, fuck yeah!
Demarcates, fuck yeah!
Republicans
Fuck yeah, fuck yeah
Sportsmanship
Books
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 15 2018, @06:56AM
Unhinged, off the rocker, climbing the walls, red as carrie learning to start a fire...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @11:26AM
You need therapy.
(Score: 5, Interesting) by digitalaudiorock on Friday July 13 2018, @10:13PM (4 children)
This piece by Marcy Wheeler is pretty stunning:
https://www.emptywheel.net/2018/07/03/putting-a-face-mine-to-the-risks-posed-by-gop-games-on-mueller-investigation/ [emptywheel.net]
She actually just spoke about this decision today on NPR's On the Media:
https://www.wnycstudios.org/story/on-the-media-2018-07-13/ [wnycstudios.org]
Pretty wild shit going on.
(Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 13 2018, @10:56PM (2 children)
No, I am not going to read your shit.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @12:02AM (1 child)
And this is why you remain an ignorant cretin supporting a mean stupid clown as POTUS.
Ok, I assume the "supporting" bit, but the statement holds true for a wide swath of conservatives. MY IGNORANT OPINION IS JUST AS VALID! TOLERATE ME!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @07:45AM
Ever read Democracy in America(de Tocqueville)?
(Score: 2) by ilPapa on Saturday July 14 2018, @12:29AM
Marcy's been doing great work since at least 2002, when I discovered her blog.
You are still welcome on my lawn.
(Score: 5, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 13 2018, @10:17PM
You are likely to be hacked by a GRU.
(Somebody had to say it.)
(Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Saturday July 14 2018, @12:10PM
This story about the 12 Russians took place during the Obama Administration, not the Trump Administration. Why didn’t they do something about it, especially when it was reported that President Obama was informed by the FBI in September, before the Election?
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @02:48PM (1 child)
Mueller hands control of 2020 election to Putin.
Is nobody else seeing the counter move here? All Putin has to do is have these guys do television interviews safely, in Russia, and broadcast the shit out of them around election time, and watch American the news media fall all over themselves talking about how much they hate Trump. Which will cause even more Americans to vote for Trump, because most of them voting for him are doing so because: "fuck big media".
What your looking at is presidential campaign by Strisand effect.
Most domestic journalism is corporate chickenshit propaganda that it is intolerable to any mind seeking reason. It has become such a din of simple minded biggotry against reason, that not hearing it at all is preferable to any benefits of social engagement it might have provided. And that is the end product of media market deregulation and consolidation.
Which is to say: If the Russians actually did anything, the reason they are getting away with it is because Congress has facilitated the crime. Congress homogonized the news by homogonizing telecom. And they aren't done yet. So while Trump may be whatever you find most disdainful, expect the next guy to be worse. Because that is what Congress, SCOTUS, and now maybe even the Russians are working towards.
Of course nobody on the unholy trinity of cabal news would ever say anything like that because it would cost them their jobs.
(Score: 2) by srobert on Saturday July 14 2018, @03:17PM
"Most domestic journalism is corporate chickenshit propaganda that it is intolerable to any mind seeking reason."
Before his recent death, Ed Schulz did a video interview where he talked about the fact that he had far more journalistic freedom working at RT than he did when he worked for MSNBC. He recounted the day that he was ready to cover Bernie Sanders' announcement that he was running for President. Cameras were all ready to go and transmit live, when suddenly Shultz's MSNBC bosses phoned him to inform him that they would not allow coverage of the event. Instead they had an important story about nothing to air. MSNBC and CNN are as bad as Fox. They might differ on gay marriage, abortion and immigration. But at the end of the day, they're all corporate propaganda, anti-worker, screw the consumers, screw the environment, screw the poor. He who pays the piper calls the tune.
(Score: 2) by Thexalon on Saturday July 14 2018, @03:15PM (1 child)
I took the time to at least skim through what it is alleged that the Russian GRU actually did. From this, I took away two things:
1. As we suspected, the reason this attack worked is that the Democrats were total idiots when it came to computer security. The Russkies got in because (a) lots of staff fell for phishing emails, (b) the DNC did not bother to set up even the text-message-based 2-factor authentication now offered by just about everybody, and (c) had no intrusion detection. This attack was state-of-the-art in 2001 or so, and it's downright embarrassing that they fell for it. This idiocy probably had something to do with choosing their IT consultants based on whether the firm's CEO was friends with the Clintons, rather than, y'know, knowing what they were doing.
2. Two words that are notably absent from the indictment are "Wikileaks" and "Assange". However, the New York Times is claiming that they are in fact present in the indictment, as "Organization 1", even though what they're smearing Wikileaks for doing is exactly what they did when they published the Pentagon Papers. In any event, despite the Democrats' repeated claims to the contrary, there's no indication what Wikileaks did constituted a crime.
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @04:20PM
"Organization 1" is obviously wikileaks. It says stuff like "Organization 1 released the documents to the public on July 22, 2016".
What I was wondering is how they know some of the stuff in that indictment. It says stuff like: "On or about March 28, 2016, Yermakov researched the names of Victims 1 and 2 and their association with Clinton on various social media sites." What exactly is the evidence for this?
(Score: 2) by bitstream on Saturday July 14 2018, @07:26PM
But they missed them? :P