Common Dreams reports
Hundreds of thousands of anti-Trump demonstrators took to the streets of London and in separate protests across the U.K. on Friday [July 13] in a massive and historic show of opposition to a sitting U.S. president.
After Donald Trump was greeted with angry protesters as he arrived in London on Thursday to meet with U.K. Prime Minister Theresa May, a 20-foot-tall Trump baby blimp took flight over the city early on Friday as the massive "Carnival of Resistance" protests--which are slated[1] to last through the weekend--kicked off.
250,000 people are protesting #TogetherAgainstTrump in central London right now! #resist #carnivalofresistance
[...] Several of the events have been organized by the Stop Trump Coalition, which played a key role in Trump's previous canceled trips and [who] warns that "Trumpism directly threatens steps towards tackling" several issues including inequality, peace and disarmament, climate change, fighting discrimination--"particularly against already marginalized groups like migrants and Muslims"--and corporate greed. The Trump administration's family separation policy has further fueled widespread outrage and opposition to his visit.
[1] I'm not crazy about their page construction, but WOW! are they ever organized otherwise.
Metro News notes
(Score: 2, Troll) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday July 14 2018, @03:49AM (34 children)
FTFY
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @04:18AM
Slick Willie's mantra: Never pass up a chance to make a Reactionary smile.
Bill Clinton's 5 Major Achievements Were Longstanding Republican Objectives [googleusercontent.com] (orig) [truthout.org]
-- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 5, Insightful) by archfeld on Saturday July 14 2018, @05:53AM (32 children)
Actually it goes back even further...
I am not sure what people expect, if you are placed in a prison/detained for illegally crossing the border, would you want your children in prison with you. It is and has been common practice to seize the children of detainees, and domestic criminals for decades and place them in the care of CPS. Can you imagine to hoopla if we put the kids in prison too ??
How would the classify them ? Like they do the adults ? White Aryans in one yard, Bloods in another, Crips in a 3rd, and the Mexican Mafia off in a corner by themselves. Maybe they could separate them by age groups ? 1 - 5 years old in a yard, next to them could be 6-10 years old, then the Dirty tweens could be placed off by themselves.
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(Score: 4, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @07:17AM (31 children)
First, there is no reason to put -any- of these people in prison.
Crossing the border without proper documentation is a misdemeanor.
Just imagine if every person who ever shoplifted a pack of gum was jailed without bail until his trial date.
Next, US law says that anyone can apply for asylum at any port of entry.
Historically, 100 percent of people who do that are allowed into the general population and 97 percent of those show up for their court hearing.
Drumpf has needlessly[1] taken the 100 yards of no man's land between the border and the gov't building where people can apply and made it into a war zone.
It is completely out of all proportion and is clearly in violation of the intent of the law passed by Congress.
[1] ...if you don't count Drumpf's pandering to his racist constituency.
Lastly, these shitheads aren't even keeping proper records of what kid goes with what parent and where those 2 separated entities are located.
...not to mention not vetting the people to whom the kids are released (human traffickers).
-- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @07:33AM (3 children)
Take your bullshit opinions and shove them up your ass, you limp-wristed SJW cock-gobbler.
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @08:14AM (2 children)
You spineless jerkoffs call my comment spam ?
You don't know what spam is, obviously.
My comment was a rebuke to the idiotic crap spewed by some SJW fool.
But you call it "spam" because you don't agree with it.
What's next, are you going to call me a racist, in the manner of so many other SJWs who couldn't argue their way out of a wet paper bag ?
You can all go fuck yourselves.
THE REAL WORLD WILL CRUSH YOU LIKE THE MAGGOTS YOU ARE.
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @12:18PM (1 child)
Cry harder, your tears are delicious.
Enjoy the last two years of the last white male president ever. It’s already half over.
(Score: 2, Troll) by realDonaldTrump on Sunday July 15 2018, @11:13PM
Look, I have a lot of life left in me. I have INCREDIBLE genes. And I don't exercise, that's so important. A lot of people go to the gym and they'll work out for two hours and all. Then they get their new knees when they're 55 years old and they get their new hips and they do all those things. I don't have those problems. #RepealThe22nd [twitter.com]
(Score: 5, Insightful) by unauthorized on Saturday July 14 2018, @08:04AM (16 children)
Misdemeanor in US law is any crime that is punishable by one year or less. So yes, you can get jailed for misdemeanors by the literal definition of misdemeanor.
Shoplifting gum carries a maximum ecnomic loss for the owner of $1. Maybe a couple of bucks if it's a really fancy hipster brand gum. Illegal entry in the best case scenario will cost thousands to the US state. These are very different offenses, so of fucking course they will not be handled in the same way.
The law allows for that. Illegal entry only applies if you evade border authorities. If you do enter the border at an official border checkpoint without proper authorization and petition for asylum, you can still receive asylum without having illegally entered the US.
No it's not a war zone. Unarmed civilians don't run into war zones, they flee them.
The irony is that you are the one being bigoted towards Trump voters with this.
That sounds highly dubious, do you have evidence for it?
(Score: 5, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @08:44AM (13 children)
AFTER CONVICTION.
Jesus Fucking Christ, you "law and order" types always want to skip the due-process thing.
That's a BIG part of what folks are bitching about with Drumpf's pack of losers: The judges are being cut out of the loop.
do you have evidence
I've been reading this stuff [google.com] everywhere I go. [google.com]
If you haven't, you must have really shitty sources of "information". [google.com]
you are the one being bigoted towards Trump voters
I calls 'em as I sees 'em.
...and a judgment based on someone's -actions- isn't bigotry.
-- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 3, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday July 14 2018, @12:48PM (8 children)
I'll take a law and order type over a government that can ignore the law and do as it likes every single time, thanks.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Immerman on Saturday July 14 2018, @01:25PM (7 children)
You obviously missed the quotes around "law and order". If the government can skip the trial and go straight to punishment, then it already *can* ignore the law and do whatever it likes.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @01:32PM (5 children)
And tmb comes back and apologizes for his mistake. Hahahaha jk we all know he wont.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday July 14 2018, @04:22PM (4 children)
You're absolutely correct. That would imply that harm was done by my being so and I had need to regret. That not being the case, no apology is warranted.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @07:27PM (3 children)
Hah, well you did anyway though i adsume you took the word "apologize" too literally. Acknowledging a mistake is an apology of sorts.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday July 15 2018, @12:11AM (2 children)
Nah, there's a pretty substantial difference. Apologizing implies regret and I do not regret being wrong here. I'm human, humans are occasionally going to be wrong. If nobody was harmed, no apology is needed and an acknowledgement will do just fine.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 15 2018, @07:09AM (1 child)
So you're a sociopath, makes sense.
Any reasonable human would be ashamed of having an incorrect assessment of reality. Anyone who does not have shame for being wrong is a sociopath, easy peasy. Not that I'm shocked, many of us have known this about you for years.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Immerman on Sunday July 15 2018, @04:34PM
>Any reasonable human would be ashamed of having an incorrect assessment of reality.
If that's your standard, then I assume you live a life of constant shame - because the only thing any reasonable person should ever be absolutely certain of, is that their assessment of reality is flawed in many ways, large and small, that they've never even thought to consider.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday July 14 2018, @04:18PM
Fair nuff. Those quotes could have been taken a couple of different ways and I picked the wrong one.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by unauthorized on Saturday July 14 2018, @03:57PM (3 children)
Before conviction as well. If a person is pending trial but are likely to attempt to evade persecution, say, like people who have a history of trying to evade the authorities by illegally crossing the border, then it is entirely reasonable to detain them until the case is resolved.
I'm not going to click Google links, but from inputting those keywords in DuckDuckGo, it seems that you are referring to instances where children were found with people who could not prove that they are the parents, in which case this is exactly what the border authorities should do.
Do I need to explain why giving children to people who might turn out to be child traffickers is a bad idea?
It seems that you are projecting your own inability to look outside your media bubble. You don't follow any conservative news outlets do you?
Funny, that's exactly what all bigots say. Something something disproportionate crime rates therefore blacks in general.
(Score: 0, Disagree) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 15 2018, @03:12AM (2 children)
Wow. There's just so much in those 6 words.
First, there's "persecution".
The irony is palpable.
A spoonerism, I assume.
(Not the correct term, but it's related to that.)
...and, of course, there is the fact that the overwhelming majority DO show up for their hearings.
These people WANT to be USAians.
...though it is weird that they seek refuge in the land that is the root source of their oppression|misery.
I'm not going to click Google links
Whatever, dude.
People who are that paranoid are already behind 7 proxies.
If you're too poor to afford one of those, archive.is is a zero-cost proxy.
If using a proxy, you'll do well to add &gl=US to the URL to improve the odds of getting the same results I did.
...and in 1999, the CEO of Sun Microsystems said "You have zero privacy anyway. Get over it."
DuckDuckGo
Yeah, I hear that some folks prefer 4th-rate services.
When somebody duplicates Google's Verbatim search (and about a dozen other things where the "competitors" fall down), do holler Bingo!
Do I need to explain
Not to me but I did think it needed to be pointed out to you.
That's what I did, but, apparently, you're too dim-witted to see that.
You don't follow any conservative news outlets
I hear that ridiculous stuff on e.g. The Jimmy Dore Show--with analysis|rebuttal|debunking.
You Reactionaries are occasionally good for a laugh.
disproportionate crime rates
Yeah, the usual Reactionary swill.
It's called selective enforcement (the modern-day version of Jim Crow).
If every white college kid in possession of a doobie was arrested, prosecuted[1] with the same vigor, and subjected to the same sentencing whims, the prison demographics would shift radically.
[1] BTW, that's a form of the word you were looking for, nitwit.
-- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 2) by archfeld on Monday July 16 2018, @02:49AM (1 child)
"...duplicates Googles search verbatim..."
Except for the 4-5 paid ads that top the search result on the google page. When I use DuckDuckGo, the web site I am looking for is almost always the top result rather than a paid for index return. Google used to be don't do evil, now it is make a buck, and virtually indistinguishable from Bing. I miss DEC and AltaVista...
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(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 16 2018, @08:15PM
I have 4 items blocked at Google Search and I have JavaScript blocked.
The only things I might see there are text-based ads.
...and I can mentally block those easily.
...and, based on the searches I do, those are pretty rare anyway.
One reason I like Google's Verbatim Search is that S/N's comments engine is broken WRT stuff like %22 in hyperlinks.
Putting dots or hyphens between search terms indicates a phrase in Verbatim Search (like the old Google, before they "improved" it).
I can then re-post those links here without brokenness.
I haven't seen another search engine that will do that.
When I use DuckDuckGo, the web site I am looking for is almost always the top result rather than a paid for index return
I find that including[1] #res in my Google search string tends to work wonders when there's a chance that ads will be included.
...and, again, my "extreme mental powers" allow me to just ignore junk.
[1] Obviously, I can do my Google searches from my Address Bar.
...and I can specify more than 10 items per page at Google.
There's lots of stuff that Google can do that the others can't|won't.
I was going to say that there's a reason that Google is still #1 but actually there are whole a bunch of reasons.
I miss [...] AltaVista
Yes, we've established that you have a great tolerance for mediocrity.
-- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
(Score: -1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @12:21PM (1 child)
It’s not bigotry when his supporters are literally flag waving nazis.
In case incel-cucks need it explained: being a nazi is pretty racist.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 15 2018, @07:43AM
Heh, inconvenient truths indeed. These fuckers re so far gone they can't see the forest for the trees. I guess it is time to boycott this RWNJ shithole. Apologies to all you normal users, but the vocal minority is turning this site into a neo-nazi safe space.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @08:08AM (1 child)
"First, there is no reason to put -any- of these people in prison."
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People cannot simply enter another country where they are not citizens and stay in that country because they want to stay.
Asylum is not given for reasons such as "I can make more money in the US" or "I want to live in the US". Asylum is given for reasons having to do with the person who is seeking asylum being in grave danger if they are forced to return to their own country. The vast majority of Mexicans who come to the US do not come to the US because they are in danger : they come for economic reasons. I hate to be the one to burst your clueless knee-jerk liberal bubble, but economic advantage is not a reason why people are granted asylum.
Seriously, you have the sort of understanding of the situation that one would expect a very young child to have. You clearly don't know the law, and your guiding principle seems to be "I think it's wrong so it must stop". Guess what, you idiot child : your extremely naive understanding of the situation doesn't qualify you to make judgements about what should or should not be done. People who are not US citizens cannot simply come to the US and stay, and if they SNEAK into the US,
they can and will be returned to their own country.
You are just a stupid clueless fool spewing your pointless poorly informed bullshit opinion on the internet. You really ought to educate yourself before you spew bullshit, or at least make it clear that you are not an attorney ( that is painfully obvious ) nor are you involved in law enforcement. You're just another punkass douche bag who wants the world to be shaped like you think it should be despite the fact that you have done NOTHING to EARN the right to impose your opinion on the world.
Mexicans are going to continue to be locked up, when they enter the US illegally, and all your whining will not change that one little bit.
Suck on that, you pathetic little bitch.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @08:48AM
That's for A JUDGE to decide.
I've already made a remark about you "law and order" nitwits upthread.
-- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 3, Disagree) by shortscreen on Saturday July 14 2018, @09:45AM (3 children)
US citizens can't board a plane without getting groped by TSA goons, and stand a fair chance of being searched, having their stuff confiscated, or otherwise being hassled when attempting to drive across the border.
I find it rather strange that, while these policies are allowed to stand, we now have people in the national spotlight (not just ACs on obscure websites) arguing that non-citizens should be able to waltz across the border as they please.
I am generally opposed to security theater and the like, but checking who crosses the border and confronting those who try to evade the check points doesn't strike me as totally unreasonable. (Of course, treating people in a humane fashion when they have been detained is another issue)
(Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @11:16AM
...and why.
NAFTA ruined the Mexican economy for small/subsistence farmers who can't compete with heavily subsidized USAian corn.
...and Mexicans aren't even the main traffic north these days.
Mexican migration is a net negative.
Most folks coming north start south of Mexico.
They're fleeing violent, unstable places.
The reason those places are violent and unstable is USA.gov fucking around with the democratically-elected governments there, turning them into Fascist dictatorships with USA-trained death squads.
-- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @11:30AM (1 child)
> US citizens can't board a plane without getting groped by TSA goons, and stand a fair chance of being searched, having their stuff confiscated, or otherwise being hassled when attempting to drive across the border.
> I find it rather strange that, while these policies are allowed to stand, we now have people in the national spotlight (not just ACs on obscure websites) arguing that non-citizens should be able to waltz across the border as they please.
You would have a point... if people weren't protesting and complaining about the security theater, for the past 18 years and counting. The policies are allowed to stand because those in power allow them to stand.
> confronting those who try to evade the check points
IIRC, those who go straight to the check points are "confronted" as well.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by Runaway1956 on Saturday July 14 2018, @02:23PM
WTF is protesting? The sheep go to the airport, and they do whatever the wolves tell them to do.
I'm protesting, by not flying. A bunch of other people do likewise, but we aren't noticed because the sheep love to be groped, fondled, folded, spindled and mutilated. So long as the sheep submit, no protest is worthy of notice.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @01:10PM
You're not seriously suggesting people trying to get into the country by any means possible and no documents are going to show up for their court date like a regular shoplifter?
(Score: 2, Informative) by Runaway1956 on Saturday July 14 2018, @02:21PM
Crossing borders without permission is a capital offense in many countries. Evading the border patrol isn't a misdemeanor - evasion of law enforcement is always a felony. And, some of us are about tired of socialistic anarchist whining in defense of law breakers.
(Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Saturday July 14 2018, @06:21PM (1 child)
You come on here with a fake name. You call my supporters racist. And you use my family's old name like an insult. Like I should be ashamed that my family changed our name. Or ashamed that my family came from Germany. I'm not ashamed. And neither were they, believe me. They were afraid -- that's why they changed the family name. They were afraid of the racists who were rounding folks up and putting them in concentration camps. On orders from the White House, from President Franklin Roosevelt -- one of your guys. Great friend to Stalin. And they told me, until I was in my 30s, that we were Swedish. I told the newspapers that I'm Swedish. I'm not Swedish, I didn't know. Because my father was afraid to tell me. So I've seen that racism causes big problems. And I'm the least racist person there is. I'm not a racist. As everybody knows. I have a great relationship with the blacks. With the Jews -- I had the first club in Palm Beach that accepted both blacks & Jews. I get along beautifully with all the races -- except the so-called Indians, a lot of them don't look like Indians to me. I think I set a tremendous example. And maybe not all my supporters follow it 100%. Any possibly you don't follow Chuck & Nancy 100%. If I asked them I'm sure they'd say, "oh, Germany is great, German-Americans are great, let's not discriminate!" But you discriminate, you sound very anti-German.
I'm a big critic of Germany. And of the Germans -- especially Chancellor Angela. Not because of their race. Because of the VERY DUMB things they do. They shut down their coal, they shut down their nuclear. They're buying tremendous amounts of gas -- of natural gas -- from Russia. And they come to me, they say, "please protect us from Russia!" While they're sending billions of Euros to Russia for the gas. And spending very little on their military, on military equipment. In the USA we have the most amazing equipment, the best equipment. We have Boeing, we have Lockheed Martin, we have Northrop Grumman. Beautiful companies, so many smart people working there. Working very hard. And we'd love to sell Germany some of that equipment so they can PROTECT THEMSELVES. Instead of buying it so we can protect them. Big expense to our taxpayers when we do it that way. Very unfair!!!
(Score: 3, Funny) by chromas on Saturday July 14 2018, @08:25PM
Good point; 'you' identify as a Trump, so you're a Trump! Why can't they respect your preferred pro(per )nouns? Frackin' bigots, all of 'em!
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @03:53AM
https://thinkprogress.org/london-protests-donald-trump-visit-ca07f1ef1fd4/#content [thinkprogress.org]
and
Brits Don't Mince Words: The Most Irreverent and Radical Signs From UK's Historic Anti-Trump Protest [commondreams.org]
-- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @04:02AM
The adults in British government know that they need to do the US' bidding. Independent action has been impossible since the US cut off their air during the Suez robbery, and it is better to be directly subordinate than to be indirectly subordinate via Brussels.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @04:02AM (27 children)
This kind of stuff is killing soylentnews. Please, go chuck that shit out of the submission queue before it hits the fan.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @04:11AM (1 child)
Submit Story [soylentnews.org]
Fill 'er up with all the awesome stuff you have encountered.
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(Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Saturday July 14 2018, @06:35PM
And get many rejection messages from a robot, all alike. Because the Editors like Subs from certain folks. From a few folks. And congratulations, you're one of them. For the rest of us, not so easy, not so nice!!!!
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @06:55AM (24 children)
You guys are such giant babies. This is why people make stuff like this.
"Oh no! Someone is critical of my awful president, it's destroying the world! I need to live in a bubble where I never hear anything that disagrees with me, ever!"
And then you have the nerve to call other people snowflakes. Haha, you're absolutely ridiculous.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by hemocyanin on Saturday July 14 2018, @08:29AM (23 children)
No. It's just more of the temper tantrum Clintonistas haven't finished having. Look, I didn't vote for Trump and don't particularly like him, but he's no worse than any president in my living memory (70s). Yeah, he's crass and rude. I suppose you would prefer to be elegantly surveiled, dragged into more wars, have the wars we're in accelerated, run out of bombs to drop on civilians, have another Cat Food Commission to destroy Social Security, bailout more banksters, and having a smiling Deporter in Chief.
Trump is the symptom of Democrat abandonment of policies aimed at the regular person. You Democrats are sick and infected, but rather than clean the wound and smear some neosporin on that infection, you are yelling at it and making fun of it. You might as well take up prayer-healing. Meanwhile, I'm over here just rolling my eyes and hoping you succumb sooner rather than later so we can get to whatever comes to take your place.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @09:27AM (17 children)
Trump [is] no worse than any president in my living memory (70s)
It's sad that you youngsters didn't get to see LBJ--a former Senate Majority Leader--dealing with domestic policy (voting rights, civil rights).
Drumpf reminds me of a washing machine with an unbalanced load.
He's just liable to do anything.
His extremely limited knowledge base, his 4th grade level vocabulary and grammar, and his word-salad oratory[1] convinces me that he is the worst to ever get the gig.
[1] ...and the fact that Lamestream Media won't parse that and show that it's just nonsense compounds that.
He has an extreme personality disorder, a penchant for criminal activity, and it appears that he is senile.
As horrible as the other folks running in 2016 were, we ended up with the runt of the litter.
-- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 3, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday July 14 2018, @12:53PM (13 children)
You'd prefer your President use words that most of his citizens don't know? Or maybe you'd prefer to set the bar so that only the urban poor can't understand him? And you socialists claim to be for the common man...
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @01:36PM (10 children)
And the truth comes out. You really wanna kick off the weekend admitting youre an idiot?
(Score: 1, Troll) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday July 14 2018, @06:56PM (9 children)
Go read his latest journal post. Mark the date well: 13 July 2018 is when Uzzard formally disappeared into the event horizon of his own asshole. Seriously, read it: the entire thing is "anyone who disagrees with me is actually guilty of evil and I'm perfect." Someone really needs to pull the rug out from under him.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @07:43PM (8 children)
Eh, it is a pretty obvioys troll journal entry. To some degree trolls do believe their own shit, but that journal entry is hardly the smoking gun. Well, unless someone is totally clueless then it might open their eyes.
Im just getting a lot of joy watxhing the libcontards round here beginning to melt down. Typically it is with more bravado and bluster, but once you see the patterns you can find the truth and laugh for days. I dont even have to read jmorris' posts anymore, just watch his replies getting longer and crazier (i skim occasionally to see how far gone he is getting)
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday July 14 2018, @08:22PM (7 children)
Uzzard just did what Ethanol did about 2 years ago, which is consume a critical bolus of his own ideological jenkem to get himself hooked. He's now in the same position as a neo-Nazi who claims he's throwing the heil "ironically" when called out on it. And he's *alughign at you* for giving him the benefit of the doubt.
He's irredeemable now, okay? He's in the same boat as J-Mo, and the hilarious thing is, if you got those two fighting, J-Mo would eviscerate him, because THAT guy's actually insane; Uzzard's just evilminded and weak.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 4, Funny) by chromas on Saturday July 14 2018, @08:32PM
To be fair, you can't expect a person to be well-versed in Perl—and even work on old slashdot code—and not fall off his rocker at some point.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 15 2018, @01:17AM
Haha noooo, i wasnt trying to downplay uggos behavior, just the journal entry's importance. He is a massive troll and that entry was pretty weak shit. He has definitely gotten worse with his narcissism, but that is on him.
(Score: 3, Touché) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday July 15 2018, @03:27AM (4 children)
Show me any evil position I've taken. One will do.
You, darlin, are the one who can't take an honest moral inventory and like what she sees. You advocate doing so much evil to people for nothing but the sake of your own envy, then try to rationalize it by not keeping the ill-gotten gains yourself. I highly doubt your own non-theft charity work is done for noble reasons. I greatly suspect what you do comes from a pit of rage and hatred for the perpetrators of the wrongs done rather than genuinely wishing the people concerned well. Wrath, hatred, envy, you're just chock full of putrescence but if you ever allow yourself to acknowledge it your world crumbles down around you.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday July 15 2018, @04:20AM (3 children)
Jesus motorboating Christ, you project like a mile of movie theaters. I've been pointing your evil out from day one: your entire worldview boils down to "fuck you, got mine," and everything you claim otherwise is window-dressing and distraction. All you're doing with your "war on evil" is attempting to rationalize your own solipsistic selfishness by expanding it into a twisted sort of categorical imperative, scapegoating "thuh gubbumint!" because you know it plays well to the libertarian chucklefucks who frequent this place.
And let me tell you something else, carrion-breath: wrath and hatred have their place, just like violence. They need to be used wisely, like a scalpel, rather than indiscriminately like a sledgehammer, but they are just tools to be used. Your pathetic whinging cries of "oh noooo, the eeeebil nasty lady is so meeeean to meeeee!" are tone-trolling of the lowest caliber.
Worst of all, you actually think anyone with more than a room-temperature IQ and a passing familiarity with human nature can't see right through this flimsy charade. That's fucking insulting. You seriously think you're the smartest guy in the room. I don't even think you possess the cognitive tools or the self-awareness to do a thorough workup on your own moral epistemology, personally.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday July 15 2018, @04:48AM (2 children)
I have never said anything remotely like "fuck you, I've got mine". That's your traditional strawman but it doesn't exist in reality. Pick something real, be specific, and I will slap your ass down with precisely how you are wrong. Oh, that's probably why you don't. Nevermind then.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 15 2018, @07:16AM
And scuzzo rolls a critical failure! I get your rhetoric, very reminiscent of what our mighty stable genius of a president does. AKA hot air and bullshit.
Get wreckt you fucking tool, you're not worth the electrons that convey your skullduggery. You just bank on no one remembering the numerous occasions you said "fuck you got mine" and if they do you REALLY bank on them not bothering to comb through hundreds of articles to appease your call to authority.
You're the biggest piece of shit around here, and that is a new statement. I used to think you had a smidgen of honor and were just an idealistic libertarian, but now it is clear you're way beyond that. You are a closet fascist.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by acid andy on Sunday July 15 2018, @11:02AM
Forgive me for keeping on at you MiBu, but you keep saying you want your arguments examined and I keep feeling like you move off just as a thread is getting interesting.
OK, you said:
So, charity is never morally required; in other words, voluntarily giving away what you got is never required. Forcefully taking what someone else has got is also never morally justifiable, therefore involuntarily giving away what you got is never required nor justified.
So you have said fairly directly that there are no circumstances (voluntary nor involuntary) where giving away anything of what you have got is a moral requirement.
The "fuck you" part is obviously an embellishment, but you don't shy away from such provocative heckling yourself at times.
The only possible way that I can see that what you said above differs in meaning from the "fuck you, I've got mine" is that you don't rule out the possibility of acts of charity by yourself. Hey, one thing you've got going for you is what you do for this site and community, although I have a feeling you jokingly ruled out that being an altruistic action in the past, didn't you? Anyway, you have clearly defined charity as not being relevant in a moral argument and it's moral arguments that we are primarily concerned with, so within that scope, please explain to us all why it's not "fuck you, I've got mine"?
If a cat has kittens, does a rat have rittens, a bat bittens and a mat mittens?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 15 2018, @02:50AM (1 child)
"You'd prefer your President use words that most of his citizens don't know?"
I'd settle for him using the words his citizens do know properly.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday July 15 2018, @03:18AM
He does for the most part. Unfortunately how he arranges them is akin to playing scrabble with an illiterate hood rat.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @03:44PM (1 child)
"I'll have those niggers voting Democratic for the next 200 years." -- LBJ
LBJ is in the running for "worst ever", along with FDR (probably the winner) and Obama.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @04:33PM
Your Reactionary stance is noted.
niggers
Reagan picked up where Nixon left off with the "Southern Strategy".
Reagan kicked off his campaign in Philadelphia, MS, where 3 civil right workers were murdered.
He talked about "states rights" (dogwhistle for Jim Crow).
His campaign consultant was Lee Atwater (Willie Horton ads).
Your thing is weak by comparison.
FDR
He put 15 million USAians back to work when the Capitalists weren't hiring and the economy was completely in the crapper (thanks to Republican Herbert Hoover).
FDR makes pretty much everybody's Top 5 list.
...except for Reactionaries.
-- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @05:40PM
Sure, we remember Lyndon "I’ll Have Those N*****s Voting Democratic for 200 Years" B. Johnson. Democrats have always been the party of slavery and Jim Crow. Look at whose votes really passed the 1960s civil rights laws (hint, it's not Democrats).
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @02:52PM
Neosporin is for sissies. Real men use iodine, or just salt their wounds.
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Saturday July 14 2018, @07:30PM
A-frickin-men!
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 1) by taylormc on Saturday July 14 2018, @07:53PM (2 children)
If you're referring to us Brits, the word "Democrat" needs to be written with a small "D". We hold no brief for Clinton particularly, but we are fond of democracy.
We see Trump and the GOP subverting American democracy, with the help of Russia, and we disapprove (to put it mildly).
We are only too aware of the influence US events tend to have on British affairs, We generally shrug and put up with it, but Trump is a step or two too far.
It's as simple as that.
(Score: 2) by hemocyanin on Sunday July 15 2018, @02:08AM
I am not writing to you Brits.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by hemocyanin on Sunday July 15 2018, @02:13AM
More to the point, let me suggest this article: https://steemit.com/russia/@caitlinjohnstone/five-things-that-would-make-the-cia-cnn-russia-narrative-more-believable [steemit.com] which contains the following 5 requirements for outrage:
1. Proof of a hacking conspiracy to elect Trump. [let us remember an indictment is not proof, just a claim pushed by some of the historically most dishonest organizations the world has ever known]
2. Proof that election meddling actually influenced the election in a meaningful way.
3. Some reason to believe Russian election meddling was unwarranted and unacceptable. [the US whining about election meddling is rich]
4. Proof that the election meddling went beyond simply giving Americans access to information about their government.
5. A valid reason to believe escalated tensions between two nuclear superpowers are worthwhile. [when the end result is the threat of global thermonuclear war, even if 1-4 are proved, the violation needs to be especially egregious to warrant the end of all things]
(Score: 3, Insightful) by MichaelDavidCrawford on Saturday July 14 2018, @04:16AM
you say that like its a bad thing.
Yes I Have No Bananas. [gofundme.com]
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @05:05AM (19 children)
Seriously, the government should gas all these idiots.
The US is not even their country.
They can all fuck off.
(Score: 4, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @06:51AM (17 children)
> The US is not even their country.
Yes, you should never try to influence the internal affairs of other countries. For example, the US is famous for their non-interventionist policies.
(We'll fuck off after you fuck off first. Signed, the rest of the world.)
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @07:35AM (4 children)
"(We'll fuck off after you fuck off first. Signed, the rest of the world.)"
.
Your opinion means nothing.
Your life means nothing.
Your whining IS humorous though.
So at least your otherwise worthless life provided us with a few giggles.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @09:42AM (3 children)
The day China calls in its debt, USA's economy is sunk.
If China stops importing USAian goods (mostly intellectual^W imaginary property), USA goes tits-up.
(At any time, they could stop honoring USAian IP, start making their own copies of Windoze, AND SELL THOSE WORLDWIDE).
Your reckless posturing is typical of a 13 year old.
Maybe one day you'll grow up and see the big picture.
-- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @02:13PM (1 child)
The US is Chinas largest export economy.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday July 14 2018, @03:06PM
Perhaps. But, China also has a lot of exports going to Africa, vs our what? China beats our asses in South America. China produces cheap stuff that only the poorest of the poor are unable to buy. China sells SILK cheaper than we are willing to sell plain old cotton. Think about that, for a bit. Poor villagers in a backwater country aren't buying US goods, because US goods are so very high priced.
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Saturday July 14 2018, @07:32PM
That is the same day China's economy will sink also, and their government will fall. That is why they have not done that already.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 2) by RS3 on Saturday July 14 2018, @11:10AM (11 children)
Too many people accept sweeping generalizations as fact; aka: popular misconception.
Please cite some examples, okay? I'm certainly no history expert, but the only "interventions" I've heard of were when there were brutal dictators, fascism, extreme human rights violations, etc., like Nazi Hitler, Mussolini, Hirohito, Idi Amin, Gaddafi, Castro, ISIS, Taliban, ... those are off the top of my head, again, no historian.
I do remember when I was a kid, hearing of a McDonalds being build in Moscow, and Levis jeans sold there. I guess that was a CIA plot to poison soviet communism. Again, please cite some examples of US "interventionism".
(Score: 1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @11:49AM
> I'm certainly no history expert, but the only "interventions" I've heard of were when there were brutal dictators, fascism, extreme human rights violations, etc., like Nazi Hitler, Mussolini, Hirohito, Idi Amin, Gaddafi, Castro, ISIS, Taliban, ... those are off the top of my head, again, no historian.
Seriously? I mean... seriously??? There is not being a history expert, and there is never having read any history book or a newspaper, ever.
The current shittiest areas in the world, Middle East and Central America, have been at least 50~90% (depending on country) directly caused by the US.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_interventions_by_the_United_States [wikipedia.org]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change [wikipedia.org]
It's a pretty fascinating litany of openly and/or secretly supporting revolutions, overthrowing democratic governments, instituting dictators, or outright taking over direct control over dozens of countries.
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @11:57AM (6 children)
the only "interventions" I've heard of were when there were brutal dictators, fascism, extreme human rights violations
First, would it be OK for some other country to invade USA because it doesn't find USAian human rights to be up to their standard?
Next, your sources of information are crap.
Hint: Any time there are resources to be had and a gov't isn't willing to knuckle under to USA.gov, USA.gov mounts a coup there.
This wasn't even a difficult Google.
http://www.google.com/search?q=site:en.wikipedia.org+intitle:united.states+honduras+guatemala+salvador+regime [google.com]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change_in_Latin_America [wikipedia.org]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change [wikipedia.org]
...and Iraq in 1953 is a particularly infamous one.
The fact that you don't know of that one shows an extreme void in your education.
Gaddafi
Muammar Gaddafi Was The Most Progressive Political Leader In The World Until USAian Hegemony Killed Him [googleusercontent.com] (orig) [paulcraigroberts.org]
Castro
Castro's "brutality" is also oversold by USA's Lamestream Media.
...meanwhile, Cuba has a more literate population than USA, a better educated population than USA, and better healthcare outcomes than USA.
...but you won't hear any of that from USA's Lamestream Media.
Your willingness to unquestioningly swallow Cold War bullshit is a character flaw.
-- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @01:16PM
You're right about G... except for his personal civil rights abuses (burning servants, etc). Too bad Hillary as SOS was the main architect of the civil war there. Ironically if Trump was president and someone else was SOS they would have likely left Libya alone and at the least the rebels wouldn't have had American air support.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @01:34PM
Iran (Persia, not Mesopotamia).
Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh was deposed and The Shah stared his brutal 26 year dictatorship.
-- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 2, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Saturday July 14 2018, @03:21PM (3 children)
You made some points, and you lost some points.
Colonel Kadaffi was shit. The bastard rewarded the families of terrorists (or martyrs if you insist) for attacking European and American interests. I was proud as all hell to cruise the harbor in Tripoli, daring the rat bastard to do anything about us being there. We wanted so very badly to destroy him, with or without his military. FYI - Kadaffi grounded his air force, and forbade any of his ships leaving their docks while we were there. At least he was smart enough to know that we could, and would, have destroyed every fucking bit of it.
Progresive political leader my ass.
All of that said - it was pretty fucked up how we finally did him in . . . If he could go back, and do it all again, maybe he would have come out and fought us, and died a warrior's death.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 15 2018, @07:34AM (2 children)
"warriors path"
Oh man, we got a klingon here! Sadly the klingons are a few hundred years behind the federation in terms of cultural advancement. Care to leap ahead runaway? Woops, just realized the irony of your name.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday July 15 2018, @07:38AM (1 child)
And - you are Captain Kirk? Go back to your dreamworld, moron.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 15 2018, @08:10AM
Burning the bullshit oil I see? God you shills should get a life.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Saturday July 14 2018, @03:12PM (2 children)
Very good. You stayed awake in history classes, and you learned many of the same lessons that I learned. You've done well. Now - can you do better than merely "well"?
How many of those dictators did we install in banana republics, only to overthrow them a few years later when they decided that they didn't like kissing rich American asses?
I'm mocking you a little bit, but don't take it the wrong way. You have an opportunity to continue your education, and learn the stuff that the school system deemed unimportant. If you get bored with banana republics, you can look up Operation Ajax in Iran. In a nutsac - errr, nutshell - we destroyed a competitive, legitimate democracy to install a puppet dictator, thereby setting the stage for the eventual Islamic Revolution.
Our track record isn't nearly so sterling as the history teachers tried to make us believe.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @03:43PM (1 child)
A really high profile one was Noriega.
He was our guy--until he wasn't.
So, to take out that 1 guy, we bombed the shit out of the place, sent in 27,000 troops, killed hundreds, and kidnapped the head of state.
If anybody else had done that, we would have screamed bloody murder.
-- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday July 14 2018, @03:58PM
Monroe doctrine, paraphrased: "All you badasses in Europe stay in Europe, because we're the only badasses allowed in the Americas."
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @12:24PM
It *WAS* theirs until white immigrants stole it from them at gunpoint.
Being white and anti-immigrant in Amerikkka is the *height* of hypocricy.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by cubancigar11 on Saturday July 14 2018, @05:58AM (13 children)
Why are The British protesting an american president? What's this "build bridges not walls" after Brexit? The reporting makes it look like british people are against Trump, but the protestors are only on one side of political spectrum.
Well formed propaganda.
(Score: 3, Touché) by SanityCheck on Saturday July 14 2018, @06:32AM
You build a bridge so a truck of peace can mow down the pedestrians on it.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @07:09AM (6 children)
> Why are The British protesting an american president? What's this "build bridges not walls" after Brexit?
Brexit is a split between England and the *EU*. IIRC, it was widely expected that, as one of the consequences of Brexit, in the future there would be a closer cooperation between England and the US. Obviously, that gamble crashed and burned like a Trump casino.
Also, a USian complaining about foreigners protesting is quite revealing. You truly see your Constitution as just a meaningless piece of paper, eh?
(Score: 2) by cubancigar11 on Saturday July 14 2018, @08:02AM (5 children)
I am not American.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @08:18AM (4 children)
Then you'd better stay the fuck out of the US unless you have a visa, motherfucker.
(Score: 3, Funny) by RS3 on Saturday July 14 2018, @11:01AM
Because the US is the ONLY country you aren't allowed to wander into without getting into trouble with authorities, right?
(Score: 2) by cubancigar11 on Saturday July 14 2018, @11:34AM
So I shouldn't wonder why non-Americans are protesting American president because....
....
....
I am a non-American???
(Yeah I have a visa. I just don't go to USA.)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 15 2018, @02:58AM (1 child)
Hell, with the way drumpf runs things, you should stay the fuck out of the US even WITH a visa.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday July 15 2018, @03:29AM
Agreed. Please spread this sentiment around.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @09:19AM (1 child)
Looked more like a bunch of mental patients than a representation of the British public - feeble minds manipulated by mockingbird media.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @11:26AM
Don't laugh [twitter.com]
Most adults are at work on Friday, having more important things to do than playing "dress up" [twimg.com] on their days off.
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @10:39AM (2 children)
No, in polls he's disliked by a majority in the UK, across many parts of the spectrum.
They're not just protesting an American president. They're protesting their own government's endorsement of his values and actions. They're protesting the invitation to visit and the likely implications of a "deep and special relationship", for example possible lowering of product, food and agricultural standards, removal of environmental protections, greater involvement in American foreign policy.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @12:41PM (1 child)
Yes, and the problem with polls is that they ask leading questions...
A case in point is a relative, if you'd ask him about Trump's policies regarding migrants, his answer would count as a positive, if you asked him about Trump, the man, it would be a negative.
Well, as 52% of the population voted for Brexit, and as any fule kno they're all raging Xenophobes (à la Trumpistas), then this lot are only representatives of the other 48%...
Hah, the British position [goatse.cx] in the special relationship has been well known for the better part of a century now..
Want to talk about declining standards of food standards? let's talk about the stuff which used to be produced in the UK but has now been switched to places like Poland, Sweden, Belgium, Slovakia and how the taste/quality has declined, or even the stuff that is 'coming in the back door' from places like Turkey..
Products?, well there's a well known German outlet which people seem to think peddles German made goods...well, true, they're assembled in Germany maybe but by no stretch of the imagination can you call them German made...CCS
There you do have a point..
Ah, again, I know of two examples (one locally) where environmental protection played second fiddle to financial protection (of the planners bank accounts), so no change there then.
Greater involvement?, at best, we've been their yappy little terrier when it comes to their foreign policy adventures for the better part of half a century now (or haven't you noticed?), at worst, we've been acting as the 'plausible deniability' black wing of their foreign policy fun and games.
(Score: 2) by acid andy on Saturday July 14 2018, @09:13PM
I take it you voted remain then!
If a cat has kittens, does a rat have rittens, a bat bittens and a mat mittens?