from the wondering-what-Russia-and-China-are-thinking dept.
Trump to Hold Second Summit With Kim Jong Un in February, U.S. Says
U.S. President Donald Trump and North Korean leader Kim Jong Un will meet near the end of February for a second summit, despite evidence North Korea is advancing its nuclear weapons program.
The White House announced the summit and timing after Trump met Friday with Kim Yong Chol, a top aide to the North Korean leader and a former spy chief.
Trump's decision to go ahead with another in-person meeting -- further elevating Kim's global profile -- underscores the president's confidence that his personal involvement and negotiating skills can change the behavior of recalcitrant regimes in ways that traditional leverage and diplomacy, past U.S. leaders and his own emissaries could not.
Previously: President Trump Tweets about Nuclear Talks with North Korea
President Trump Set to Meet Kim Jong-un at 9 PM EDT (01:00 UTC, 9 AM Singapore)
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Trump commented Tuesday on Twitter after the South Korean government announced that North Korea has agreed to halt tests of nuclear weapons and missiles if it holds talks with the U.S. on denuclearization. South Korea and North Korea have also agreed to hold summit talks in late April.
Trump tweeted: "Possible progress being made in talks with North Korea. For the first time in many years, a serious effort is being made by all parties concerned. The World is watching and waiting! May be false hope, but the U.S. is ready to go hard in either direction!"
The Associated Press has some additional information:
While the offer of talks could ease tensions, the adversaries will still have to overcome deep mutual suspicion. The U.S. has consistently demanded North Korea give up its nukes, which the reclusive socialist state had previously insisted was off the table until Washington abandoned its "hostile policy" toward it. At a minimum, the Americans wanted a halt in nuclear and missile testing for talks to begin.
"Maybe this is a breakthrough. I seriously doubt it," Dan Coats, the director of national intelligence, told a Senate hearing Tuesday. He said his doubts are grounded in what he called failed efforts by previous U.S. administrations to negotiate with North Korea over its nuclear program.
Coats said Kim is "very calculating" and views his nuclear capabilities as "essential to his well-being as well as the well-being of his nation."
President Trump meets Kim Jong Un
President Trump and North Korea's Kim Jong Un will meet in just a few hours. Here's what to watch for and when, according to the White House schedule.
- 8 p.m. ET (June 11) / 8 a.m. Singapore (June 12): President Trump departs Shangri-La Hotel en route to Capella Singapore, where the two leaders will meet.
- 8:20 p.m. ET (June 11) / 8:20 a.m. Singapore (June 12): Trump arrives at Capella Singapore.
- 9 p.m. ET (June 11) / 9 a.m. Singapore (June 12): President Trump and Kim Jong Un greet each other. This is the big moment. Cameras will be there to capture their expected handshake.
- 9:15 p.m. ET (June 11) / 9:15 a.m. Singapore (June 12): President Trump and Kim Jong Un participate in a one-on-one bilateral meeting.
- 10 p.m. ET (June 11) / 10 a.m. Singapore (June 12): President Trump and Kim Jong Un participate in an expanded bilateral meeting.
- 11:30 p.m. ET (June 11) / 11:30 a.m. Singapore (June 12): President Trump and Kim Jong Un have a working lunch.
- 4 a.m. ET (June 12) / 4 p.m. Singapore: President Trump is expected to speak with reporters.
- 6:30 a.m. ET / 6:30 p.m. Singapore: President Trump departs Capella Singapore for Paya Lebar Air Base Singapore.
- 7 a.m. ET / 7 p.m. Singapore: Trump departs Paya Lebar Air Base, Singapore, en route to Andersen Air Force Base, Guam. From there, he will travel on to the United States.
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Kim-Trump summit rife with opportunity for US
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 19 2019, @01:27PM (18 children)
What a strange concern to have.
(Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 19 2019, @01:45PM (5 children)
Ending this issue is really starting at the beginning of the formation of the MIC. Most normal people hope Trump succeeds and continues on to the next excuse they have for existing. I love how all these front organizations are revealing their true colors though.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 20 2019, @12:41AM (4 children)
"Most normal people hope Trump succeeds and continues on to the next excuse they have for existing."
Yeah!!! After all, last time Trump got a really nifty greeting card out of the deal. Don't knock progress all you haters!!!
(Score: 3, Funny) by Sulla on Sunday January 20 2019, @05:15AM (3 children)
What do we have to lose from trying? If we fail we get the same result as we would have from not trying, so we might as well give it a shot. Trump wants to end the Korean war for one of two reasons - either so he can go down in the history books as the one that resolved North Korea, or so that he can open the "Kim and Moon Peace and Prosperity Trump International Hotel" in Pyongyang. Both of those are a small price to pay for peace. If we get peace in exchange for federal money buying Trump a hotel in every country in the world, thats a damn good deal. Typically our politicans line their pockets with war, like the Bidens and their connections to Ukrainian oil companies or the Bushs and Clintons and Iraqi oil companies. Trump on the other hand has his investments in real estate, and real estate doesn't really profit from war. Trump's own greed is the best hope this country has had since Nixon for peace.
Ceterum censeo Sinae esse delendam
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 20 2019, @09:43PM (2 children)
Don't bother. The "democrats" love the military-industrial-complex and endless pointless wars now. There obviously isn't any logic behind people who can flip flop like that just due to what their authority figures tell them.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by PartTimeZombie on Sunday January 20 2019, @10:52PM (1 child)
Both sides of your corrupt system love the endless wars you guys start.
After all, it's not the children of the ruling class that fights and dies in them.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 21 2019, @01:55AM
Yes, but the "republicans" were always in favor. The "democrats" used to pretend they weren't.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 19 2019, @06:14PM (11 children)
If you think it's obvious why they care, please explain it, I have no idea.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 19 2019, @08:22PM (10 children)
You were trollmodded because the "orange man bad" tribe has been told to care.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 19 2019, @09:16PM (8 children)
Incorrect, most people simply do not want the POTUS complimenting all the dictators and insulting all the more democratic leaders.
Keep spinning Trump support as some stable genius outsmarting The Man type crap. The most spineless and bigoted "counter culture" ever.
(Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 19 2019, @09:58PM
How democratic are they? Isn't the Canadian guy part of an aristocratic dynasty (similar to the Bush and attempted Clinton dynasties in the US)?
(Score: 4, Interesting) by Sulla on Sunday January 20 2019, @05:22AM (4 children)
A friend who is only your friend because you let him borrow your car, raid your fridge, and use your workshop is not a true friend. At the end of the day even if Trump pisses Europe, Canada, and Mexico off those countries see it as a one-off and the relationship goes back to normal when he is out of office. On the other hand if a little flattery gets Kim away from China, gets the US out of the baby killing business in Syria and Yemen, and ends the Afghanistan fiasco then I don't give a shit about complimenting dictators.
B H Obama sold weapons to Vietnam, a country with endless human rights abuses. He bowed before foreign Monarchs, a much bigger stain on our countries honor than giving a compliment. G H Bush had countless infractions, W J Clinton. Then the whole shit with putting Saddam in power and we can't forget about Iran.
When Trump starts installing new dictators by replacing that countries Republic, then it will be time to care. But so far it looks like he is taking us out of the nation building business. The Kurds are already negotiating with Syria for a Iraqi style deal where they get some autonomy and parliamentary seats, plus oil revenues, in exchange for giving overall authority to Assad.
Ceterum censeo Sinae esse delendam
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 21 2019, @01:36AM (3 children)
[citation needed]
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 21 2019, @02:36AM
https://static01.nyt.com/images/2012/05/24/us/politics/24jacob-cnd/24jacob-cnd-jumbo.jpg [nyt.com]
(Score: 1) by Sulla on Monday January 21 2019, @07:47AM (1 child)
https://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/336226/75 [newsmax.com]
Many such citations. Japanese emperor and the Saudi king for starters. I understand why he did it, a respect thing, but that doesn't make it right. Even if it was an unconscious thing someone needs to be fired for not coaching him.
Ceterum censeo Sinae esse delendam
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 21 2019, @08:09PM
I have no dogs in this race but seriously dude I don't think that is a proper news site. The author of the article refers to journalists in a way that suggests he does not consider himself one
(Score: 2) by driverless on Sunday January 20 2019, @07:58AM (1 child)
It wasn't just complimenting him, he totally gave in to him. The US cancelled military exercises with South Korea, which had long been a thorn in the North's side, in exchange for the DPRK making noises about disarmament while actually accelerating their armaments program. It was a win-win for North Korea. If Trump has another catastrophic-fail exchange like this, who knows what North Korea will get this time? So the best move would be for Trump to not try any more anything with DPRK, because who knows what he'll give them this time round.
(Score: 1) by Sulla on Sunday January 20 2019, @06:15PM
So you vote for war then? I would appreciate it if youd be willing to kick it off so the 10 million dead in Seoul so so its on your soul and not mine.
Ceterum censeo Sinae esse delendam
(Score: 1) by Ethanol-fueled on Sunday January 20 2019, @12:28AM
Hey, Trump is awesome, but I think the reason why he gets along so well with Kim Jong Un is because they're both manbabies at heart. Trump probably flies in a bunch of McDonalds and Mountain Dew and spends his after hours watching Die Hard and Lethal Weapon movies with Kim, the two high-fiving all night everytime a totally bitchin' explosion occurs.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 19 2019, @01:46PM (5 children)
I wonder if they compete on who can abuse their people worse.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by looorg on Saturday January 19 2019, @01:54PM (4 children)
Seriously? If you think it's somewhat of a hard choice between living in the USA and living in North Korea then you are somewhat beyond all help and reason. There is no competition.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 19 2019, @02:41PM (1 child)
Some people love the control-freak, pro-government telling them what to do way of life. Don't discount the existence of such people. The attitude may seem alien and insect-like to you but it does seem to be a workable evolutionary strategy.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Ethanol-fueled on Sunday January 20 2019, @12:30AM
Hey, leave the Catholics and Mormons alone. They are (mostly) law-abiding citizens.
(Score: 2) by sjames on Saturday January 19 2019, @11:00PM (1 child)
Obviously living in the U.S. is orders of magnitude better. Primarily because Trumo has lmited effectiveness and limited time. But given Trump's praise of Un, you have to wonder if those are the ONLY reasons it's better to live in the U.S.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 20 2019, @09:46PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jung-eun [wikipedia.org]
(Score: 5, Informative) by SpockLogic on Saturday January 19 2019, @02:38PM (7 children)
A desperate attempt by The Trump Crime Family™ to distract attention from the inexorable march of the Mueller investigation.
Overreacting is one thing, sticking your head up your ass hoping the problem goes away is another - edIII
(Score: 0, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 19 2019, @04:11PM (4 children)
And any day now, Hillary will finally be first Woman President (TM).
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 19 2019, @04:48PM
Bernie can still win. Match me!
(Score: 5, Touché) by Attack DAWWG on Saturday January 19 2019, @05:51PM (1 child)
Translation:
Dear Leader is in trouble and try as I might, I can't come up with any way to defend him. So make a random and unrelated complaint about Hillary! That is good for a few upmods from Asperger's-addled morons who will immediately forget what the original topic of discussion was. Keep everyone's attention away from Dear Leader. Deflect! Deflect!
(Score: 0, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 19 2019, @06:31PM
Isn't calling someone a moron and health-shaming them cause for your tribe to dox and unperson you?
There may be a Republican in you yet. :)
(Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 19 2019, @06:29PM
No. You're thinking about President Pelosi. It's Mueller time.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 19 2019, @05:43PM
they should hang all those fbi scum on tv.
(Score: 2, Funny) by realDonaldTrump on Sunday January 20 2019, @02:01AM
That one's a real march. A long and very sad one. From the phoney Steele Dossier -- the Piss Dossier -- that Crooked H & DNC illegally paid for. To, now we have Weakling Michael Cohen, a PR person who did small legal work, lieing to achieve a lighter sentence. And we have the others lieing to avoid jail.
"The Clinton campaign weaponized American intelligence and law enforcement communities -- led by Democratic appointees of President Barack Obama -- through false, malicious, wholly manufactured lies about the Republican nominee, now President, Donald J. Trump." The Coolidge Reagan Foundation.
Gregg Jarrett: "Mueller’s prosecutors knew the "Dossier" was the product of bias and deception." It was a Fake, just like so much news coverage in our Country.
Russia Dossier reporter now doubts dopey Christopher Steele’s claims! "When you get into the details of the Steele Dossier, the specific allegations, we have not seen the evidence to support them. There’s good grounds to think that some of the more sensational allegations….......….WILL NEVER BE PROVEN AND ARE LIKELY FALSE." Thank you to Michael Isikoff, Yahoo, for honesty. What this means is that the FISA WARRANTS and the whole Russian Witch Hunt is a Fraud and a Hoax which should be ended immediately. Also, it was paid for by Crooked Hillary & DNC!
"Thus, a foreign citizen controlled the collection and dissemination of information, largely from foreign government agents and other foreign nationals, intended to influence a federal election." The Coolidge Reagan Foundation again. And they're talking about Dopey Christopher Steele. "Formerly" of British Secret Intelligence. The British CIA. Can you imagine if the shoe was on the other foot? And Jeremy Corbyn sent tons of money to America, hired a "former" CIA guy to come up with dirt on Nigel? They'd bring back Death Penalty so they could hang Jeremy.
Michael Isikoff was the first to report Dossier allegations and now seriously doubts the Dossier claims. The whole Russian Collusion thing was a HOAX, but who is going to restore the good name of so many people whose reputations have been destroyed? Nothing but a Witch Hunt, from beginning to end!
(Score: 3, Funny) by realDonaldTrump on Saturday January 19 2019, @03:07PM (4 children)
And I had to close the White House Visitor Center. Which is weird in a way. Because I got used to so many visitors. An audience that came right to my house. And sometimes I'd put on a little show for them. Nothing dirty. But I'd say, why not buy one of my Books? Or a MAGA Hat? And I'd do the thing where I sign the Book. Or the Hat. By the way, they say Autopen, I never used the Autopen. Otherwise known as the Singing Robot. I signed each one by hand. I love working with my large hands -- I really miss that.
Last year, I was forced to cancel the summit meeting in Singapore with Kim Jung Un. He sent me a nasty note saying, "oh, maybe I'll have to cancel." And I had absolutely no idea he was going to say that. Who would expect that, right? So I wrote back, I said, "no you won't because I just did!" But the amazing White House Gift Shop already did the very special Coin. The Donald J. Trump Presidential Challenge Coin. And when Kim & I canceled, the collectors went absolutely nuts over that one. We canceled the summit and they lost their minds. They bought and bought and bought.
But then we decided to have the summit after all. That makes us smart. And the White House Gift Shop did another very special Coin. Even more special than the first one, because they did it with the Presidential Seal. And, I guess, the Korea Seal. They did a Limited Edition. And you're probably thinking, "oh, I missed the boat on that one, I'm much too late!" WRONG! Because people ordered the Coins, maybe they gave a Fake Address. They moved before the Coin arrived. Or they got it but they're afraid to show it to anyone because it's much too beautiful. And a few Coins came back. Which you can buy. Not in the White House. But over the modern digital. Also known as internet. Only $100 each, folks. Stock up, they're going fast! https://www.whitehousegiftshop.com/product-p/summitcoin.htm [whitehousegiftshop.com]
And you're probably thinking, "oh, they're doing another summit, so will they have another Coin?" We will, I guarantee it. It's going to have me & Kim again. But, a little older. Which is going to show on him a lot more than it does on me. Can we say dotard? Stay tuned!!
(Score: 0, Redundant) by Runaway1956 on Saturday January 19 2019, @03:38PM (3 children)
So, where it the summit going to be? The word "summit" suggests some high place. You know, our Wall is to be routed up into the mountains from San Diego. Those mountains aren't really very high, but high enough to have some modest summits. You could invite Lil Kim to a summit on the wall. I mean, we don't want him IN this country, but you can let him get close enough to see what he's missing in his backward little corner of the world.
(Score: 1, Funny) by realDonaldTrump on Saturday January 19 2019, @03:52PM (1 child)
I'm thinking Dubai. Because Kim loves golf, he's a tremendous golfer (not as good as me). And I have a beautiful course there -- Trump International Golf Club, Dubai. I can take care of many things while I'm in Middle East (Nobel Piece Prize #2). But, we'll see!!!
(Score: 1, Redundant) by Runaway1956 on Saturday January 19 2019, @05:35PM
Nobel piece prize? You gonna grab Kimmie-poo by his piece?
(Score: 2, Informative) by Sulla on Sunday January 20 2019, @05:09AM
Vietnam suggested that they might be a good host. This seems like a good idea to me. Vietnam is pretty concerned recently about expanding Chinese aggression and this is a good continuation of that. Vietnam is in the best position to show Kim the two options he has - moving forward with the US as its benefactor or not moving at all with China as its ruler.
Ceterum censeo Sinae esse delendam
(Score: 5, Funny) by Thexalon on Saturday January 19 2019, @04:06PM
"Kim is really flattering Donald, but will Donald's affections make Moon angry with him? Also, how does Donald's best friend Vlad feel about all of this? Meanwhile, Donald seems to be neglecting mowing the lawn and trimming the hedges on his home, and his neighbors Justin and Andres are getting worried about him.
How will this all turn out? Find out next week on Foreign Affairs!"
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 19 2019, @04:43PM (3 children)
Meanwhile, the criminal khazar jewish terrorist state of israel continues to develop nuclear weapons and aims them at European nations in case they get attacked, ensuring that peaceful nations can be destroyed when the criminal terrorist jewish khazar state of israel is attacked and destroyed.
No word from Trump on that.
DPRK has never attacked another nation, landed soldiers on foreign land, bomb their schools, destroyed their infrastructure or threaten anyone in any way. The only thing they are guilty of doing is exercising their right of survival. Life is everybody's right.
(Score: 3, Funny) by realDonaldTrump on Sunday January 20 2019, @02:17AM
You say "their right of survival." Otherwise known as their right to exist. I'm a very very strong believer in Israel's right to exist. By any means necessary. And that includes their nuclear. Iran has nuclear, why shouldn't Israel? And if they need help with the nuclear or the anything else, I'll be in my office. Or my bedroom. They can call me and we'll make a very fair deal. Jay Sekulow of the ACLJ, one of my incredible lawyers, has written a new book about Israel's right to exist. Highly recommended!!! amazon.com/Jerusalem-Biblical-Historical-Jewish-Capital/dp/1640880771 [amazon.com]
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday January 20 2019, @02:28PM
Sounds like you're a few decades behind. Israel is not "developing" a nuclear arsenal. It has been "developed". Today, maybe they are growing that arsenal, but it rivals that of the US in quality, and possibly in numbers. What they didn't figure out on their own, we gave them, and if we held anything back, they stole it. Israel can, all by itself, burn the world down, if they take a notion to do so.
(Score: 3, Touché) by PartTimeZombie on Sunday January 20 2019, @11:10PM
Well, apart from that one time in 1950... [wikipedia.org]