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posted by martyb on Sunday January 20 2019, @10:00AM   Printer-friendly
from the just-eat-it dept.

https://komonews.com/news/local/scientists-id-another-possible-threat-to-orcas-pink-salmon

Over the years, scientists have identified dams, pollution and vessel noise as causes of the troubling decline of the Pacific Northwest's resident killer whales. Now, they may have found a new and more surprising culprit: pink salmon.

Four salmon researchers were perusing data on the website of the Center for Whale Research, which studies the orcas, several months ago when they noticed a startling trend: that for the past two decades, significantly more of the whales have died in even-numbered years than in odd years.

In a newly published paper, they speculate that the pattern is related to pink salmon, which return to the Salish Sea between Washington state and Canada in enormous numbers every other year — though they're not sure how. They suspect that the huge runs of pink salmon, which have boomed under conservation efforts and changes in ocean conditions in the past two decades, might interfere with the whales' ability to hunt their preferred prey, Chinook salmon.

Given the dire plight of the orcas, which officials say are on the brink of extinction, the researchers decided to publicize their discovery without waiting to investigate its causes.


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  • (Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 20 2019, @10:45AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 20 2019, @10:45AM (#788998)

    Even for weekend.

  • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Sunday January 20 2019, @01:15PM (8 children)

    by JoeMerchant (3937) on Sunday January 20 2019, @01:15PM (#789020)

    I understand that (and why) they prefer Chinook to Pink, but, really - starving to death rather than eating a non-preferred fish?

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    • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday January 20 2019, @01:58PM

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Sunday January 20 2019, @01:58PM (#789023) Journal

      Agreed, I'm not seeing what they seem to conclude from the data. Had they suggested that the pink salmon were somehow toxic to the whales, it would make more sense. Not a lot of sense, but more than this. And, what about all the rest of the orca's migratory habits? Is there some remote possibility that they are getting into some unrelated toxic area during that two year cycle? That infamous garbage patch?

      Maybe they have some political motive to use the data to get those dams breached? Lots of possibilities here, but they need to make their hypothesis more believable and/or understandable.

    • (Score: 1) by Sulla on Sunday January 20 2019, @03:44PM

      by Sulla (5173) on Sunday January 20 2019, @03:44PM (#789053) Journal

      Pretty clear to conclude from the data that these alt-right Orca just can't handle how successful conservation is as saving the pink salmon. Ever other year the Orca see the large number of pinks and fly into a rage over this afront to their rightist anti-environment world view and they hunger strike instead of adapting.

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    • (Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday January 20 2019, @05:11PM (3 children)

      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday January 20 2019, @05:11PM (#789076) Journal
      Apparently, the catch is that the Chinook [wikipedia.org] is the largest of the Pacific salmon while the Pink [wikipedia.org] is the smallest.

      Adult fish range in size from 24 to 36 in (61 to 91 cm), but may be up to 58 in (150 cm) in length; they average 10 to 50 lb (4.5 to 22.7 kg), but may reach 130 lb (59 kg). In the Kenai River of Alaska, mature Chinook averaged 16.8 kg (37 lb).

      versus

      Pink salmon average 4.8 pounds (2.2 kg) in weight. The maximum recorded size was 30 inches (76 cm) and 15 pounds (6.8 kg).

      So even the smallest average Chinook (I gather they vary by river) is twice the weight of the average Pink.

      • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Sunday January 20 2019, @05:56PM (2 children)

        by JoeMerchant (3937) on Sunday January 20 2019, @05:56PM (#789085)

        Orcas also make meals of tiny fish like herring [youtube.com].

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        • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday January 21 2019, @12:45AM (1 child)

          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday January 21 2019, @12:45AM (#789265) Journal
          Only if those particular orca know that trick and only if Pink salmon swim in schools. The Wikipedia article on carousel feeding [wikipedia.org] refers to "Norwegian orca" and "Norwegian herring" which is a strong indication it's a behavior seen in the North Atlantic. But also we need to note that salmon are a rival predator species for herring (and thus, probably don't ever swim in schools). So Pink salmon would both be relatively hard to catch for the amount of nutrition they contain, and feed on the same herring.
          • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Monday January 21 2019, @01:35AM

            by JoeMerchant (3937) on Monday January 21 2019, @01:35AM (#789306)

            Some species are so sensitive that a change in ambient noise will interrupt their breeding cycle and drive them extinct - most of those species are already extinct.

            Orcas are notoriously adaptable, I'm fairly sure that "too many pink salmon" isn't a problem that, by itself, would lead to mass starvations. Also, the starvations have been repeating long enough to see a biennial pattern - if it was just a few dumb/stubborn pod leaders, they died in the first few cycles.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 20 2019, @09:53PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 20 2019, @09:53PM (#789147)

      That's not what's going on. There's a whole ecosystem and one of the drivers is pink salmon. That driver is influencing something else that eventually impacts orcas. Think of it more like a resonant system of antennas and emitters, than a hammer and a nail.

      An example mechanism which would be plausible: other predator populations might ebb and surge with the pinks, and could be competing with or simply harassing the orcas.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 20 2019, @09:59PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 20 2019, @09:59PM (#789152)

        Sounds like wild speculation to me. I think the facts are:

        1) They found an apparent 2 year cycle in whale mortality/birth data since the late 1990s
        2) Those salmon populations also follow a two year cycle

        That is pretty much the entire connection.

  • (Score: 2) by dltaylor on Sunday January 20 2019, @02:09PM

    by dltaylor (4693) on Sunday January 20 2019, @02:09PM (#789025)

    Given the range of prey world-wide known to be consumed by orcas (seals, penguins, whales of various types, ...), if the fish-eaters near British Columbia are so culturally hide-bound that they cannot adapt to variations in the type of fish available (unless the fish are simply not sufficiently nutritious), then they should be allowed to expire, leaving room for some other apex predator to take advantage of the food source. If, perhaps, it is seals that move in, then some of the seal-hunting orcas may find that they like fish better.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 20 2019, @02:25PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 20 2019, @02:25PM (#789028)

    I eat pink salmon regularly.

    • (Score: 3, Funny) by JoeMerchant on Sunday January 20 2019, @03:47PM

      by JoeMerchant (3937) on Sunday January 20 2019, @03:47PM (#789054)

      I eat pink salmon regularly.

      I believe that makes you a pinko, and apparently these are "better dead than red" Orcas.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 20 2019, @03:52PM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 20 2019, @03:52PM (#789056)
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 20 2019, @10:00PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 20 2019, @10:00PM (#789154)

      Appreciate the link; thanks.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 20 2019, @10:54PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 20 2019, @10:54PM (#789180)

      Also found this
      https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/2018/08/orcas-killer-whales-endangered-cetaceans-news/ [nationalgeographic.com]

      What’s hurting them is, above all, the lack of available prey. The Columbia and Sacramento Rivers have been dammed, and we’ve seen a massive fall in Chinook salmon runs. Other threats include pollution, growing marine traffic and the controversial expansion of the oil pipeline close to Vancouver. Southern Residents don’t just rely primarily on Chinook salmon; they overwhelmingly rely on Chinook salmon from the Fraser River. And the Trans Mountain Pipeline, which has just been taken over by the Canadian government, threatens salmon production and access to that river.

  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday January 20 2019, @11:29PM

    by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Sunday January 20 2019, @11:29PM (#789200) Homepage Journal

    That's what happens when you play god without completely knowing what the fuck you're doing.

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